Very sadly I've had to stop using Pluto and POPstar for my email, as I've
had to go over to imap.

It's obviously just a personal thing, but I've bought Messenger Pro which
does work with imap just fine - but I like it no more than ThunderBird on
the dark side. And nothing near as much as I liked Pluto - although the
devil I know type thing.

POP3S arrived to cope with TLS.

Any chance of something similar for imap?

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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In message <5988bacde0dave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> Very sadly I've had to stop using Pluto and POPstar for my email, as I've
> had to go over to imap.
>
> It's obviously just a personal thing, but I've bought Messenger Pro which
> does work with imap just fine - but I like it no more than ThunderBird on
> the dark side. And nothing near as much as I liked Pluto - although the
> devil I know type thing.
>
> POP3S arrived to cope with TLS.

I don't understand why you gave up POP3. Your provider stopped one of
the servers, which meant that the particular login you used to use was
no longer available; but they didn't discontinue POP3. AIUI, all you
needed to do was to persevere with finding the correct login. You did
with IMAP; you could have done the same with POP3.

AntiSpam and MSC handle POP3S, using the AcornSSL module, and integrate
very well with MPro; that's the combination I use.

David

In article <ec7bc58859.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> In message <5988bacde0dave@davenoise.co.uk>
> "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> > Very sadly I've had to stop using Pluto and POPstar for my email,
> > as I've had to go over to imap.
> >
> > It's obviously just a personal thing, but I've bought Messenger
> > Pro which does work with imap just fine - but I like it no more
> > than ThunderBird on the dark side. And nothing near as much as I
> > liked Pluto - although the devil I know type thing.
> >
> > POP3S arrived to cope with TLS.

> I don't understand why you gave up POP3. Your provider stopped one
> of the servers, which meant that the particular login you used to
> use was no longer available; but they didn't discontinue POP3.
> AIUI, all you needed to do was to persevere with finding the
> correct login. You did with IMAP; you could have done the same
> with POP3.

Agreed, but I was unclear whether the provider stopped all POP3, or
just one server.

> AntiSpam and MSC handle POP3S, using the AcornSSL module, and
> integrate very well with MPro; that's the combination I use.

And they also work well with Pluto, which is what I am using here.

Martin

--
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Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid
without notice if (when) any spam is received.

Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <ec7bc58859.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
> David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> > I don't understand why you gave up POP3. Your provider stopped one
> > of the servers, which meant that the particular login you used to
> > use was no longer available; but they didn't discontinue POP3.
> > AIUI, all you needed to do was to persevere with finding the
> > correct login. You did with IMAP; you could have done the same
> > with POP3.
>
> Agreed, but I was unclear whether the provider stopped all POP3, or
> just one server.

Just one server:
https://www.123-reg.co.uk/support/email/upgrading-pop3-to-new-mailboxes/
Gives the details for the new incoming mail server: pop.123-reg.co.uk

Although it sounded like Dave's account was in a mess of legacy setup, once
that was sorted out I'd expect the new server to work.

> > AntiSpam and MSC handle POP3S, using the AcornSSL module, and
> > integrate very well with MPro; that's the combination I use.
>
> And they also work well with Pluto, which is what I am using here.

I've not used Pluto but I think the difficulty with it doing IMAP is that
with POP it downloads into its own database, which is the primary repository
of received email. With IMAP the database lives on the server and messages
are synced back and forth via the IMAP protocol. It's possible that Pluto
is not designed for this syncing, although if the database is simple enough
it might be possible for an example program to do it (for example, when
Pluto is not running).

Theo

In article <cPf*WGRyy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> I've not used Pluto but I think the difficulty with it doing IMAP
> is that with POP it downloads into its own database, which is the
> primary repository of received email. With IMAP the database lives
> on the server and messages are synced back and forth via the IMAP
> protocol. It's possible that Pluto is not designed for this
> syncing, although if the database is simple enough it might be
> possible for an example program to do it (for example, when Pluto
> is not running).

The possibility that ISPs *may* at some point cease pop3 support in
favour of imap only has me thinking.

I'm no expert but it occurs to me that Pluto doesn't download
anything from the server it leaves that to popstar or Hermes etc.. So
would it be possible to modify one of the pop3 fetcher apps.

With imap, you still need to download an email to read it. You still
need to be able to delete it when you need to. So would it not be
possible to fetch emails with imap and then pass them to Pluto or
whatever as if they were pulled by pop3. Then delete the email on the
server (or not) using imap protocol.

I'll get me coat..

Bob.

In article <cPf*WGRyy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <ec7bc58859.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
> > David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> > > I don't understand why you gave up POP3. Your provider stopped one
> > > of the servers, which meant that the particular login you used to
> > > use was no longer available; but they didn't discontinue POP3.
> > > AIUI, all you needed to do was to persevere with finding the
> > > correct login. You did with IMAP; you could have done the same
> > > with POP3.
> >
> > Agreed, but I was unclear whether the provider stopped all POP3, or
> > just one server.

> Just one server:
> https://www.123-reg.co.uk/support/email/upgrading-pop3-to-new-mailboxes/
> Gives the details for the new incoming mail server: pop.123-reg.co.uk

> Although it sounded like Dave's account was in a mess of legacy setup,
> once that was sorted out I'd expect the new server to work.

Well, I've altered POPstar and POP3s to pop.123-reg.co.uk and used my
current password. Tried just about every port option I've been told might
work. But get from POP3S *** Error by opening the encrypted connection.
GnuTLS error: A TLS fatal alert has been received.
Connection closed.
*

If anyone has got this working I'd be very grateful if they'd post here
(or email me) with their POPstar and POP3s choices (personal details
omitted, of course.

It works OK with BT mail, and I've tried exactly the same settings with
123-reg, apart from the obvious differences.

> > > AntiSpam and MSC handle POP3S, using the AcornSSL module, and
> > > integrate very well with MPro; that's the combination I use.
> >
> > And they also work well with Pluto, which is what I am using here.

> I've not used Pluto but I think the difficulty with it doing IMAP is
> that with POP it downloads into its own database, which is the primary
> repository of received email. With IMAP the database lives on the
> server and messages are synced back and forth via the IMAP protocol.
> It's possible that Pluto is not designed for this syncing, although if
> the database is simple enough it might be possible for an example
> program to do it (for example, when Pluto is not running).

> Theo

--
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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> Well, I've altered POPstar and POP3s to pop.123-reg.co.uk and used my
> current password. Tried just about every port option I've been told might
> work. But get from POP3S *** Error by opening the encrypted connection.
> GnuTLS error: A TLS fatal alert has been received.
> Connection closed.
> *

Did you try pop.123-reg.co.uk port 995 into POP3s?
It appears to be speaking correct TLS:
https://decoder.link/sslchecker/pop.123-reg.co.uk/995

Note you want pure TLS (aka SSL) here. If there's a setting for STARTTLS
you *don't* want that.

Theo

In message <59892a9fb0dave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> Well, I've altered POPstar and POP3s to pop.123-reg.co.uk and used my
> current password. Tried just about every port option I've been told might
> work. But get from POP3S *** Error by opening the encrypted connection.
> GnuTLS error: A TLS fatal alert has been received.
> Connection closed.

I'm just looking at the 123-reg.co.uk website about setting up email
clients. They're still saying that POP3 is the standard method of
accessing emails. The POPserver is pop.123-reg.co.uk and the port
should be 995.

They also give you a phone number for support: 0345 450 2310

What email transport are you using? Are you sure it supports the
security protocol you're asking it to?

Other than ask questions, and look up this kind of stuff, I'm not
able to offer you much more in the way of concrete help because I
don't use 123-reg as my email provider, and I use AntiSpam and MSC
to do my secure POP3 collection and secure SMTP transmission. They
work very well.

David

In message <59892a9fb0dave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <cPf*WGRyy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
> Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>> Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
>> > In article <ec7bc58859.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
>> > David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
>> > > I don't understand why you gave up POP3. Your provider stopped one
>> > > of the servers, which meant that the particular login you used to
>> > > use was no longer available; but they didn't discontinue POP3.
>> > > AIUI, all you needed to do was to persevere with finding the
>> > > correct login. You did with IMAP; you could have done the same
>> > > with POP3.
>> >
>> > Agreed, but I was unclear whether the provider stopped all POP3, or
>> > just one server.
>
>> Just one server:
>> https://www.123-reg.co.uk/support/email/upgrading-pop3-to-new-mailboxes/
>> Gives the details for the new incoming mail server: pop.123-reg.co.uk
>
>> Although it sounded like Dave's account was in a mess of legacy setup,
>> once that was sorted out I'd expect the new server to work.
>
>Well, I've altered POPstar and POP3s to pop.123-reg.co.uk and used my
>current password. Tried just about every port option I've been told might
>work. But get from POP3S *** Error by opening the encrypted connection.
>GnuTLS error: A TLS fatal alert has been received.
>Connection closed.
>*
>
>If anyone has got this working I'd be very grateful if they'd post here
>(or email me) with their POPstar and POP3s choices (personal details
>omitted, of course.

With Hermes I have the following:

POP3 mail server: pop.123-reg.co.uk

Port: 110

User name: Full email address
Password: The pasword

Under security Authenicatd login (APOP) ticked.

--
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http://kevsoft.co.uk/ https://ko-fi.com/kevsoft
carpe cervisium
But it's " Thin red line of 'eroes " when the drums begin to roll

In message <cPf*-uVyy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> > Well, I've altered POPstar and POP3s to pop.123-reg.co.uk and used my
> > current password. Tried just about every port option I've been told might
> > work. But get from POP3S *** Error by opening the encrypted connection.
> > GnuTLS error: A TLS fatal alert has been received. Connection closed. *
>
> Did you try pop.123-reg.co.uk port 995 into POP3s?
> It appears to be speaking correct TLS:
> https://decoder.link/sslchecker/pop.123-reg.co.uk/995
>
> Note you want pure TLS (aka SSL) here. If there's a setting for STARTTLS
> you *don't* want that.

Just to add that my reading of their help pages brings me to the same
conclusion.

David

In message <e616388959.Kevin@Kevsoft>
Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <59892a9fb0dave@davenoise.co.uk>
> "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > If anyone has got this working I'd be very grateful if they'd post here
> > (or email me) with their POPstar and POP3s choices (personal details
> > omitted, of course.
>
> With Hermes I have the following:
>
> POP3 mail server: pop.123-reg.co.uk
>
> Port: 110
>
> User name: Full email address
> Password: The pasword
>
> Under security Authenicatd login (APOP) ticked.

I have 4 email accounts (none with 123-reg), of which 3 use the full
email address as the user name, and 1 uses just the part before the "@".
123-reg's help pages suggest they require the full address.

David

David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> In message <cPf*-uVyy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
> Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Well, I've altered POPstar and POP3s to pop.123-reg.co.uk and used my
> > > current password. Tried just about every port option I've been told might
> > > work. But get from POP3S *** Error by opening the encrypted connection.
> > > GnuTLS error: A TLS fatal alert has been received. Connection closed. *
> >
> > Did you try pop.123-reg.co.uk port 995 into POP3s?
> > It appears to be speaking correct TLS:
> > https://decoder.link/sslchecker/pop.123-reg.co.uk/995
> >
> > Note you want pure TLS (aka SSL) here. If there's a setting for STARTTLS
> > you *don't* want that.
>
> Just to add that my reading of their help pages brings me to the same
> conclusion.

I was momentarily confused because it seems pop.123-reg.co.uk offers both
POP and IMAP, but they have different certificates. So when I tried to talk
TLS to it on port 993 I got the certificate for imap.123-reg, while on port
995 I got the certificate for pop.123-reg.

Conversely the server imap.123-reg.co.uk only offers IMAP, and isn't
listening on the POP port.

That's perfectly fine, but confusing if you mistype the port number (as I
did) - you get connected to the 'wrong' server and get a certificate
mismatch error. That could be the 'TLS fatal alert' reported - the message
itself doesn't specify any explanation *why* the TLS connection failed.

It could also be that the server is running a newer version of TLS compared
with the support in POP3s and has disabled older versions. Or that Dave
doesn't have a suitable certificate chain available on his machine. The
cert is issued by:

Go Daddy Root Certificate Authority - G2

Perhaps someone who uses the setup in POP3s can check that that's present in
CACertificates?

Theo

In message <aPf*2EVyy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

>David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
>> In message <cPf*-uVyy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
>> Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>> > > Well, I've altered POPstar and POP3s to pop.123-reg.co.uk and used my
>> > > current password. Tried just about every port option I've been told might
>> > > work. But get from POP3S *** Error by opening the encrypted connection.
>> > > GnuTLS error: A TLS fatal alert has been received. Connection closed. *
>> >
>> > Did you try pop.123-reg.co.uk port 995 into POP3s?
>> > It appears to be speaking correct TLS:
>> > https://decoder.link/sslchecker/pop.123-reg.co.uk/995
>> >
>> > Note you want pure TLS (aka SSL) here. If there's a setting for STARTTLS
>> > you *don't* want that.
>>
>> Just to add that my reading of their help pages brings me to the same
>> conclusion.
>
>I was momentarily confused because it seems pop.123-reg.co.uk offers both
>POP and IMAP, but they have different certificates. So when I tried to talk
>TLS to it on port 993 I got the certificate for imap.123-reg, while on port
>995 I got the certificate for pop.123-reg.
>
>Conversely the server imap.123-reg.co.uk only offers IMAP, and isn't
>listening on the POP port.
>
>That's perfectly fine, but confusing if you mistype the port number (as I
>did) - you get connected to the 'wrong' server and get a certificate
>mismatch error. That could be the 'TLS fatal alert' reported - the message
>itself doesn't specify any explanation *why* the TLS connection failed.
>
>It could also be that the server is running a newer version of TLS compared
>with the support in POP3s and has disabled older versions. Or that Dave
>doesn't have a suitable certificate chain available on his machine. The
>cert is issued by:
>
>Go Daddy Root Certificate Authority - G2
>
>Perhaps someone who uses the setup in POP3s can check that that's present in
>CACertificates?

And that it's up to date - see the recent postings in the ROOL fora on
this topic (I released UpdCaCert to try to help, but unfortunately
the CACertificates app presents a non-standard location for certs).

David

In article <c5f13c8959.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> In message <aPf*2EVyy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
> Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> >David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> >> In message <cPf*-uVyy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
> >> Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> > "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> >> > > Well, I've altered POPstar and POP3s to pop.123-reg.co.uk
> >> > > and used my current password. Tried just about every port
> >> > > option I've been told might work. But get from POP3S ***
> >> > > Error by opening the encrypted connection. GnuTLS error: A
> >> > > TLS fatal alert has been received. Connection closed. *
> >> >
> >> > Did you try pop.123-reg.co.uk port 995 into POP3s? It appears
> >> > to be speaking correct TLS:
> >> > https://decoder.link/sslchecker/pop.123-reg.co.uk/995
> >> >
> >> > Note you want pure TLS (aka SSL) here. If there's a setting
> >> > for STARTTLS you *don't* want that.
> >>
> >> Just to add that my reading of their help pages brings me to the
> >> same conclusion.
> >
> >I was momentarily confused because it seems pop.123-reg.co.uk
> >offers both POP and IMAP, but they have different certificates.
> >So when I tried to talk TLS to it on port 993 I got the
> >certificate for imap.123-reg, while on port 995 I got the
> >certificate for pop.123-reg.
> >
> >Conversely the server imap.123-reg.co.uk only offers IMAP, and
> >isn't listening on the POP port.
> >
> >That's perfectly fine, but confusing if you mistype the port
> >number (as I did) - you get connected to the 'wrong' server and
> >get a certificate mismatch error. That could be the 'TLS fatal
> >alert' reported - the message itself doesn't specify any
> >explanation *why* the TLS connection failed.
> >
> >It could also be that the server is running a newer version of TLS
> >compared with the support in POP3s and has disabled older
> >versions. Or that Dave doesn't have a suitable certificate chain
> >available on his machine. The cert is issued by:
> >
> >Go Daddy Root Certificate Authority - G2
> >
> >Perhaps someone who uses the setup in POP3s can check that that's
> >present in CACertificates?

> And that it's up to date - see the recent postings in the ROOL fora
> on this topic (I released UpdCaCert to try to help, but
> unfortunately the CACertificates app presents a non-standard
> location for certs).

If AntiSpam is used for POP receives and SMPT sends, and AcornSSL is
installed, then the standard certificate location is used. However, I
notice that DaveP is posting from RO4.39, so AcornSSL & certificates
will need to have been installed.

I am not a user of 123, but I agree that their website does indicate
that POP is still available. However, I did notice a page about
changing 'Popbox' to 'Mailbox', and I wondered if that might be
relevant? It is at...
https://www.123-reg.co.uk/support/email/upgrading-pop3-to-new-mailboxes/

Martin

--
Martin Avison
Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid
without notice if (when) any spam is received.

In article <aPf*2EVyy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> > In message <cPf*-uVyy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> Theo
> > <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > Well, I've altered POPstar and POP3s to pop.123-reg.co.uk and used
> > > > my current password. Tried just about every port option I've been
> > > > told might work. But get from POP3S *** Error by opening the
> > > > encrypted connection. GnuTLS error: A TLS fatal alert has been
> > > > received. Connection closed. *
> > >
> > > Did you try pop.123-reg.co.uk port 995 into POP3s? It appears to be
> > > speaking correct TLS:
> > > https://decoder.link/sslchecker/pop.123-reg.co.uk/995
> > >
> > > Note you want pure TLS (aka SSL) here. If there's a setting for
> > > STARTTLS you *don't* want that.
> >
> > Just to add that my reading of their help pages brings me to the same
> > conclusion.

> I was momentarily confused because it seems pop.123-reg.co.uk offers
> both POP and IMAP, but they have different certificates. So when I
> tried to talk TLS to it on port 993 I got the certificate for
> imap.123-reg, while on port 995 I got the certificate for pop.123-reg.

> Conversely the server imap.123-reg.co.uk only offers IMAP, and isn't
> listening on the POP port.

> That's perfectly fine, but confusing if you mistype the port number (as
> I did) - you get connected to the 'wrong' server and get a certificate
> mismatch error. That could be the 'TLS fatal alert' reported - the
> message itself doesn't specify any explanation *why* the TLS connection
> failed.

> It could also be that the server is running a newer version of TLS
> compared with the support in POP3s and has disabled older versions. Or
> that Dave doesn't have a suitable certificate chain available on his
> machine. The cert is issued by:

> Go Daddy Root Certificate Authority - G2

> Perhaps someone who uses the setup in POP3s can check that that's
> present in CACertificates?

Well, I'm even more confused here.

It does all work with Messenger pro using imap. If I try using Hermes with
pop-123, I get connection failed.

Since I've changed passwords at 123-reg more often than socks, could there
be a different one for their pop server and imap? Can't see anyway of
checking. Only password it gives you the ability to change is the mailbox
one.

--
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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> Well, I'm even more confused here.
>
> It does all work with Messenger pro using imap. If I try using Hermes with
> pop-123, I get connection failed.

They are different pieces of software. They do things in different ways.
We need to figure out the reason for the 'connection failed'.

Did you try pop.123-reg.co.uk port 995 with SSL/TLS but without STARTTLS, as
I suggested upthread?

Or indeed port 110 without any SSL/TLS (possibly with STARTTLS, if
POP3s/POPStar supports that)?

> Since I've changed passwords at 123-reg more often than socks, could there
> be a different one for their pop server and imap? Can't see anyway of
> checking. Only password it gives you the ability to change is the mailbox
> one.

It seems unlikely. If you have a login that works for IMAP I would have
expected it to work for POP.

Also, you wouldn't receive a TLS error if the password was wrong, you'd get
'login failure', 'incorrect password' or something like that.

Theo

In article <59893f1938News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> If AntiSpam is used for POP receives and SMPT sends, and AcornSSL is
> installed, then the standard certificate location is used. However, I
> notice that DaveP is posting from RO4.39, so AcornSSL & certificates
> will need to have been installed.

> I am not a user of 123, but I agree that their website does indicate
> that POP is still available. However, I did notice a page about
> changing 'Popbox' to 'Mailbox', and I wondered if that might be
> relevant? It is at...
> https://www.123-reg.co.uk/support/email/upgrading-pop3-to-new-mailboxes/

> Martin

I'd forgotten about AntiSpam. Configured it for 123-reg and it started a
fetch. Before crashing 'To many nested structures at line 9150.'

This whole problem started with 123-reg changing everyone from a popbox to
mailbox. And their 'auto migrate' making a mess of things - even on the PC.

--
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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article <5989415787dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <59893f1938News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
> Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> > If AntiSpam is used for POP receives and SMPT sends, and AcornSSL
> > is installed, then the standard certificate location is used.
> > However, I notice that DaveP is posting from RO4.39, so AcornSSL
> > & certificates will need to have been installed.

> > I am not a user of 123, but I agree that their website does
> > indicate that POP is still available. However, I did notice a
> > page about changing 'Popbox' to 'Mailbox', and I wondered if that
> > might be relevant? It is at...
> > https://www.123-reg.co.uk/support/email/upgrading-pop3-to-new-mailboxes/

> I'd forgotten about AntiSpam. Configured it for 123-reg and it
> started a fetch. Before crashing 'To many nested structures at line
> 9150.'

There is no line 9150 in the current version - v1.68 (29-10-2020).
What version are you using?
[I see you are using Pluto v3.16 from 2016, rather than v3.18 from
2020 ... but now is not the time to change until email is sorted]

Do you have AcornSSL v1.06 installed?
Do you have INetDBase:CertData installed? (preferably 26 Oct 2021 or
later)

That combination of AntiSpam, Pluto & AcornSSL works fine for me on
RO4.39 ... for my ISP.

What are the two servers and their ports set to?
What is the Security setting?

> This whole problem started with 123-reg changing everyone from a
> popbox to mailbox. And their 'auto migrate' making a mess of things
> - even on the PC.

I read the page, but it meant nothing to me, as my ISP has always used
mailboxes (whether they be the same or different to yours I have no
idea).

Martin

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On 10/11/2021 10:28, Bob Latham wrote:
> The possibility that ISPs *may* at some point cease pop3 support in
> favour of imap only has me thinking.

This isn't happening. Where ISPs cease pop3 support they usually stop
providing any email service, as IMAP is even more costly to them having
to host GBs of email permanently rather than just email in transit.
When they drop email they direct you to wards a paid for service, and
those services will continue to offer POP3 until the cows come home.

---druck

In article <smhd1b$je8$1@dont-email.me>,
druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

> will continue to offer POP3 until the cows come home.

Thanks.

Bob.

In article <59894992e1News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <5989415787dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
> Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <59893f1938News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
> > Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> > > If AntiSpam is used for POP receives and SMPT sends, and AcornSSL
> > > is installed, then the standard certificate location is used.
> > > However, I notice that DaveP is posting from RO4.39, so AcornSSL
> > > & certificates will need to have been installed.

> > > I am not a user of 123, but I agree that their website does
> > > indicate that POP is still available. However, I did notice a
> > > page about changing 'Popbox' to 'Mailbox', and I wondered if that
> > > might be relevant? It is at...
> > > https://www.123-reg.co.uk/support/email/upgrading-pop3-to-new-mailboxes/

> > I'd forgotten about AntiSpam. Configured it for 123-reg and it
> > started a fetch. Before crashing 'To many nested structures at line
> > 9150.'

> There is no line 9150 in the current version - v1.68 (29-10-2020).
> What version are you using?
> [I see you are using Pluto v3.16 from 2016, rather than v3.18 from
> 2020 ... but now is not the time to change until email is sorted]

Right. Got the latest version of AntiSpam. And the latest version of
Pluto, as mine didn't have AntiSpam in its list.

Got AntiSpam fetching OK from both BT and 123-reg - but debatch on Pluto
doesn't load the mails it fetches. I'm boss eyed reading help files.

> Do you have AcornSSL v1.06 installed?

Have now.

> Do you have INetDBase:CertData installed? (preferably 26 Oct 2021 or
> later)

Not sure where I find that.

> That combination of AntiSpam, Pluto & AcornSSL works fine for me on
> RO4.39 ... for my ISP.

> What are the two servers and their ports set to?
> What is the Security setting?

> > This whole problem started with 123-reg changing everyone from a
> > popbox to mailbox. And their 'auto migrate' making a mess of things
> > - even on the PC.

> I read the page, but it meant nothing to me, as my ISP has always used
> mailboxes (whether they be the same or different to yours I have no
> idea).

I've still not worked out why PopStar works on the BT address but not the
123-reg one.

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In article <598a59f1b5dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> Right. Got the latest version of AntiSpam. And the latest version of
> Pluto, as mine didn't have AntiSpam in its list.

> Got AntiSpam fetching OK from both BT and 123-reg - but debatch on
> Pluto doesn't load the mails it fetches. I'm boss eyed reading help
> files.

Can I suggest you email me directly and I will try to help?
My address is in the Pluto Help manual - please do not use the one
above.

Martin

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Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid
without notice if (when) any spam is received.

In article <5988bacde0dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> Very sadly I've had to stop using Pluto and POPstar for my email, as I've
> had to go over to imap.

> It's obviously just a personal thing, but I've bought Messenger Pro which
> does work with imap just fine - but I like it no more than ThunderBird on
> the dark side. And nothing near as much as I liked Pluto - although the
> devil I know type thing.

> POP3S arrived to cope with TLS.

Many moons ago I had to change from POPStar to Hermes - reason - I needed
SSL and this was included in the NetFetch program - which also includes a
lot of other stuff. I think the other stuff is there to make things
simpler - but inevitably they complicate things!

Hermes was written to replace POPStar - and has been constantly upgraded
since.

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In article <598b3c67c9news*@Torrens.org>,
Richard Torrens (News) <News+18940@Torrens.org> wrote:
> In article <5988bacde0dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
> Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> > Very sadly I've had to stop using Pluto and POPstar for my email, as
> > I've had to go over to imap.

> > It's obviously just a personal thing, but I've bought Messenger Pro
> > which does work with imap just fine - but I like it no more than
> > ThunderBird on the dark side. And nothing near as much as I liked
> > Pluto - although the devil I know type thing.

> > POP3S arrived to cope with TLS.

> Many moons ago I had to change from POPStar to Hermes - reason - I needed
> SSL and this was included in the NetFetch program - which also includes a
> lot of other stuff. I think the other stuff is there to make things
> simpler - but inevitably they complicate things!

> Hermes was written to replace POPStar - and has been constantly upgraded
> since.

Yes - Hermes does work with Pluto. But POP3S with POPstar did work with BT
and 123-reg, until 123-reg changed things.

Think what I want is only to download new messages - and not delete them
from the server. I can manage that side from the PC.

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In message <598a621ca9News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>
Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <598a59f1b5dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
> Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> > Right. Got the latest version of AntiSpam. And the latest version of
> > Pluto, as mine didn't have AntiSpam in its list.
>
> > Got AntiSpam fetching OK from both BT and 123-reg - but debatch on Pluto
> > doesn't load the mails it fetches. I'm boss eyed reading help files.
>
> Can I suggest you email me directly and I will try to help? My address is
> in the Pluto Help manual - please do not use the one above.

I hope that one of you is going to post back soon, telling us of a
successful conclusion.

David