Firstly it has b....d up my presentation, overwriting userChrome.css!
Next, opening new messages is fiddly.
I wish I could go back to an earlier version.

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On 2023-10-10, pinnerite wrote:
> Firstly it has b....d up my presentation, overwriting userChrome.css!
> Next, opening new messages is fiddly.
> I wish I could go back to an earlier version.

timeshift, then don't upgrade it? Granted you'll be stuck with whatever
security holes & bugs that happen to be in <115 though.

Or don't use tbird.

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On 10/10/2023 14:31, Dan Purgert wrote:
> On 2023-10-10, pinnerite wrote:
>> Firstly it has b....d up my presentation, overwriting userChrome.css!
>> Next, opening new messages is fiddly.
>> I wish I could go back to an earlier version.
>
> timeshift, then don't upgrade it? Granted you'll be stuck with whatever
> security holes & bugs that happen to be in <115 though.

Thunderbird might well go back to v102 if the OP uses Timeshift, but it
won't work as his profile is in his Home folder and that will have been
changed by 115 to what it uses. Unless he's changed the default setup
for Timeshift, it won't include the Home folder. From what I understand
115's profile is not usable by 102. If he's got a backup for the 102
profile which was in his previous home folder he could restore that. All
he'd lose is what has been added to the 115 profile since he installed it.

> Or don't use tbird.

Betterbird 115 /might/ eventually be a more usable option if he likes TB.

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:09:16 +0100
Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 10/10/2023 14:31, Dan Purgert wrote:
> > On 2023-10-10, pinnerite wrote:
> >> Firstly it has b....d up my presentation, overwriting userChrome.css!
> >> Next, opening new messages is fiddly.
> >> I wish I could go back to an earlier version.
> >
> > timeshift, then don't upgrade it? Granted you'll be stuck with whatever
> > security holes & bugs that happen to be in <115 though.
>
> Thunderbird might well go back to v102 if the OP uses Timeshift, but it
> won't work as his profile is in his Home folder and that will have been
> changed by 115 to what it uses. Unless he's changed the default setup
> for Timeshift, it won't include the Home folder. From what I understand
> 115's profile is not usable by 102. If he's got a backup for the 102
> profile which was in his previous home folder he could restore that. All
> he'd lose is what has been added to the 115 profile since he installed it.
>
> > Or don't use tbird.
>
> Betterbird 115 /might/ eventually be a more usable option if he likes TB.
>
> --
>
> Jeff
>

I had never heard of betterbird.
Anyway I am trying it. i find its presentation much more user friendly.
Thank you for the tip.

Alan

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On 10/10/2023 17:34, pinnerite wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:09:16 +0100
> Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 10/10/2023 14:31, Dan Purgert wrote:
>>> On 2023-10-10, pinnerite wrote:
>>>> Firstly it has b....d up my presentation, overwriting userChrome.css!
>>>> Next, opening new messages is fiddly.
>>>> I wish I could go back to an earlier version.
>>>
>>> timeshift, then don't upgrade it? Granted you'll be stuck with whatever
>>> security holes & bugs that happen to be in <115 though.
>>
>> Thunderbird might well go back to v102 if the OP uses Timeshift, but it
>> won't work as his profile is in his Home folder and that will have been
>> changed by 115 to what it uses. Unless he's changed the default setup
>> for Timeshift, it won't include the Home folder. From what I understand
>> 115's profile is not usable by 102. If he's got a backup for the 102
>> profile which was in his previous home folder he could restore that. All
>> he'd lose is what has been added to the 115 profile since he installed it.
>>
>>> Or don't use tbird.
>>
>> Betterbird 115 /might/ eventually be a more usable option if he likes TB.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>
> I had never heard of betterbird.
> Anyway I am trying it. i find its presentation much more user friendly.
> Thank you for the tip.

You're welcome.

Note, though, that Betterbird is based on TB 115, and as the developer
notes, is very much a "work in progress" depending somewhat on the TB
devs sorting out bugs in TB 115.

You could do a lot worse than reading through relevant posts in
alt.comp.software.thunderbird since v115 appeared.

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Jeff

On 10/10/23 03:55 PM, this is what Jeff Layman wrote:
> On 10/10/2023 17:34, pinnerite wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:09:16 +0100
>> Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/10/2023 14:31, Dan Purgert wrote:
>>>> On 2023-10-10, pinnerite wrote:
>>>>> Firstly it has b....d up my presentation, overwriting userChrome.css!
>>>>> Next, opening new messages is fiddly.
>>>>> I wish I could go back to an earlier version.
>>>>
>>>> timeshift, then don't upgrade it?  Granted you'll be stuck with whatever
>>>> security holes & bugs that happen to be in <115 though.
>>>
>>> Thunderbird might well go back to v102 if the OP uses Timeshift, but it
>>> won't work as his profile is in his Home folder and that will have been
>>> changed by 115 to what it uses. Unless he's changed the default setup
>>> for Timeshift, it won't include the Home folder. From what I understand
>>> 115's profile is not usable by 102. If he's got a backup for the 102
>>> profile which was in his previous home folder he could restore that. All
>>> he'd lose is what has been added to the 115 profile since he installed it.
>>>
>>>> Or don't use tbird.
>>>
>>> Betterbird 115 /might/ eventually be a more usable option if he likes TB.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>
>> I had never heard of betterbird.
>> Anyway I am trying it. i find its presentation much more user friendly.
>> Thank you for the tip.
>
> You're welcome.
>
> Note, though, that Betterbird is based on TB 115, and as the developer notes, is very much a "work in progress"
> depending somewhat on the TB devs sorting out bugs in TB 115.
>
> You could do a lot worse than reading through relevant posts in alt.comp.software.thunderbird since v115 appeared.
>
115 does not change your userChrome.css, Nothing can. However a lot of code in css does not work with 115 so it give
you that feeling.
115 does change the profile for sure. I went back because I had a backup. I had to do some messing around with the
tarball you get from Thunderbird, you don't get a deb (that I could find). But I got 102 working again.

After 2 months working on a VM however I've been able to get it usable with new CSS. I've been using it for a week now
and you get used to what they moved around. I've placed a few complaints in bugzilla. The lack of lines drawn between
threads is a known issue and IIRC I saw mention that they were aware and looking into correcting it. If they do that,
it would be 10x better.

I don't think the UI was an improvement, rather I think they found it necessary for them and their ease of programming
to make these changes, not for the user but for them. They can set out the propaganda that it's a better interface but
you can't sell me on that.
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Al

On 10/10/23 15:55, this is what Jeff Layman wrote:
> On 10/10/2023 17:34, pinnerite wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:09:16 +0100
>> Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/10/2023 14:31, Dan Purgert wrote:
>>>> On 2023-10-10, pinnerite wrote:
>>>>> Firstly it has b....d up my presentation, overwriting userChrome.css!
>>>>> Next, opening new messages is fiddly.
>>>>> I wish I could go back to an earlier version.
>>>>
>>>> timeshift, then don't upgrade it?  Granted you'll be stuck with whatever
>>>> security holes & bugs that happen to be in <115 though.
>>>
>>> Thunderbird might well go back to v102 if the OP uses Timeshift, but it
>>> won't work as his profile is in his Home folder and that will have been
>>> changed by 115 to what it uses. Unless he's changed the default setup
>>> for Timeshift, it won't include the Home folder. From what I understand
>>> 115's profile is not usable by 102. If he's got a backup for the 102
>>> profile which was in his previous home folder he could restore that. All
>>> he'd lose is what has been added to the 115 profile since he installed it.
>>>
>>>> Or don't use tbird.
>>>
>>> Betterbird 115 /might/ eventually be a more usable option if he likes TB.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>
>> I had never heard of betterbird.
>> Anyway I am trying it. i find its presentation much more user friendly.
>> Thank you for the tip.
>
> You're welcome.
>
> Note, though, that Betterbird is based on TB 115, and as the developer notes, is very much a "work in progress"
> depending somewhat on the TB devs sorting out bugs in TB 115.
>
> You could do a lot worse than reading through relevant posts in alt.comp.software.thunderbird since v115 appeared.
>
115 does not change your userChrome.css, Nothing can. However a lot of code in css does not work with 115 so it give
you that feeling.
115 does change the profile for sure. I went back because I had a backup. I had to do some messing around with the
tarball you get from Thunderbird, you don't get a deb (that I could find). But I got 102 working again.

After 2 months working on a VM however I've been able to get it usable with new CSS. I've been using it for a week now
and you get used to what they moved around. I've placed a few complaints in bugzilla. The lack of lines drawn between
threads is a known issue and IIRC I saw mention that they were aware and looking into correcting it. If they do that,
it would be 10x better.

I don't think the UI was an improvement, rather I think they found it necessary for them and their ease of programming
to make these changes, not for the user but for them. They can set out the propaganda that it's a better interface but
you can't sell me on that.
--
Linux Mint 21.1 Cinnamon 5.6.8
Al

On 10/10/23 4:53 PM, Big Al wrote:
> On 10/10/23 15:55, this is what Jeff Layman wrote:
>> On 10/10/2023 17:34, pinnerite wrote:
>>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:09:16 +0100
>>> Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/10/2023 14:31, Dan Purgert wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-10-10, pinnerite wrote:
>>>>>> Firstly it has b....d up my presentation, overwriting
>>>>>> userChrome.css!
>>>>>> Next, opening new messages is fiddly.
>>>>>> I wish I could go back to an earlier version.
>>>>>
>>>>> timeshift, then don't upgrade it?  Granted you'll be stuck with
>>>>> whatever
>>>>> security holes & bugs that happen to be in <115 though.
>>>>
>>>> Thunderbird might well go back to v102 if the OP uses Timeshift,
>>>> but it
>>>> won't work as his profile is in his Home folder and that will have
>>>> been
>>>> changed by 115 to what it uses. Unless he's changed the default setup
>>>> for Timeshift, it won't include the Home folder. From what I
>>>> understand
>>>> 115's profile is not usable by 102. If he's got a backup for the 102
>>>> profile which was in his previous home folder he could restore
>>>> that. All
>>>> he'd lose is what has been added to the 115 profile since he
>>>> installed it.
>>>>
>>>>> Or don't use tbird.
>>>>
>>>> Betterbird 115 /might/ eventually be a more usable option if he
>>>> likes TB.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>
>>> I had never heard of betterbird.
>>> Anyway I am trying it. i find its presentation much more user friendly.
>>> Thank you for the tip.
>>
>> You're welcome.
>>
>> Note, though, that Betterbird is based on TB 115, and as the
>> developer notes, is very much a "work in progress" depending somewhat
>> on the TB devs sorting out bugs in TB 115.
>>
>> You could do a lot worse than reading through relevant posts in
>> alt.comp.software.thunderbird since v115 appeared.
>>
> 115 does not change your userChrome.css, Nothing can.  However a lot
> of code in css does not work with 115 so it give you that feeling.
> 115 does change the profile for sure.  I went back because I had a
> backup.  I had to do some messing around with the tarball you get from
> Thunderbird, you don't get a deb (that I could find).  But I got 102
> working again.
>
> After 2 months working on a VM however I've been able to get it usable
> with new CSS.  I've been using it for a week now and you get used to
> what they moved around.  I've placed a few complaints in bugzilla. 
> The lack of lines drawn between threads is a known issue and IIRC I
> saw mention that they were aware and looking into correcting it.  If
> they do that, it would be 10x better.
>
> I don't think the UI was an improvement, rather I think they found it
> necessary for them and their ease of programming to make these
> changes, not for the user but for them.   They can set out the
> propaganda that it's a better interface but you can't sell me on that.
TB is ok as long as you don't have anything controversial to say in
Usenet, I am convinced that certain keywords make TB crash.