Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 20:09:04 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
>>> <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 10:39:51 -0700
>>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 02:23:54 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>>> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The town needs the 75 affordable apartments they'll be building way
>>>>>>> more than it needs another golf course.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only way a town needs a golf course is if the profits flow
>>>>>> into the town - usually they don't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A public course is about the same level of goodness as a public park.
>>>>
>>>> Public golf course is of use to the 0.1% or so that enjoy "a
>>>> good walk ruined", a public park is of use to everybody. A public park
>>>> gives children a place to play - a golf course gives a few of the greedy
>>>> ones a place to collect lost balls for money. They're not even close to
>>>> being at the same level of goodness.
>>>
>>> I've never understood the need for a golf course, it takes up lands
>>> that could be put to better usage. Miniature golf courses are fine,
>>> they don't take up much space. But the ones I know of, miniature ones,
>>> are all closed.
>>> --
>>> Jim
>>>
>>
>> Golf courses, along with parks, etc. provide much-needed greenspace.
>
> All this discussion and we failed to remember the primary use of golf courses.
> You play golf to advance into management.
>

Or schmooze with a customer to land an order.

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On 21 Aug 2022 at 19:27:56, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>> According to Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>:
>>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 10:39:51 -0700
>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 02:23:54 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The town needs the 75 affordable apartments they'll be building way
>>>>>> more than it needs another golf course.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only way a town needs a golf course is if the profits flow
>>>>> into the town - usually they don't.
>>
>>>> A public course is about the same level of goodness as a public park.
>>>
>>> Public golf course is of use to the 0.1% or so that enjoy "a
>>> good walk ruined", a public park is of use to everybody. ...
>>
>> I get the impression that nobody here other than me has ever been to Endicott.
>>
>> Trust me, we're not talking big cities here. It's fairly close to
>> Binghamton, population 48,000, home of a state university campus and a
>> double-A minor league baseball team. There is no shortage of open
>> space. What they are short of is good jobs and decent housing.
>>
>
> Been there. Visited the IBM plant.
>
I spent a week there in 1982 (Hi to Gary, Charlie and Liz!).

On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 17:28:32 -0700
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:

> > All this discussion and we failed to remember the primary use of golf
> > courses. You play golf to advance into management.
> >
>
> Or schmooze with a customer to land an order.

IOW they provide a discreet place to apply grease to transactions.

This is *not* a good thing.

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On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 19:49:16 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
<steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 11:18:57 -0700
>Mike <mlevinespmfltr@redshift.com> wrote:
>
>> They could be useful in drought areas for finding water.
>> As any golfer can tell you, the balls have an affinity for water
>> when struck by a club.
>
> I thought they were equally good at finding sand to bask in.

Two people I knew in high school saw being a golf club member would
help them with contacts. I pointed out that since they lived in a
house trailer, I doubted such folks wanted them around except as
caddies.
--
Jim

On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 12:27:57 -0700, Peter Flass
<peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 20:09:04 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
>> <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 10:39:51 -0700
>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 02:23:54 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The town needs the 75 affordable apartments they'll be building way
>>>>>> more than it needs another golf course.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only way a town needs a golf course is if the profits flow
>>>>> into the town - usually they don't.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A public course is about the same level of goodness as a public park.
>>>
>>> Public golf course is of use to the 0.1% or so that enjoy "a
>>> good walk ruined", a public park is of use to everybody. A public park
>>> gives children a place to play - a golf course gives a few of the greedy
>>> ones a place to collect lost balls for money. They're not even close to
>>> being at the same level of goodness.
>>
>> I've never understood the need for a golf course, it takes up lands
>> that could be put to better usage. Miniature golf courses are fine,
>> they don't take up much space. But the ones I know of, miniature ones,
>> are all closed.
>> --
>> Jim
>>
>
>Golf courses, along with parks, etc. provide much-needed greenspace. You
>might not play golf, but the trees, ponds, etc. cool and purify the air.
>People pay a premium for housing adjoining a golf course.
>
>Sadly, a lot of miniature golf courses have gone the way of most drive-ins.
>There are still some out there, but you have to look to find them. Another
>victim of our housing industry that gobbles up every bit of land that
>doesn’t already have a building on it.

Yup. I had, and have now partially put back, a web site on closed
drive-in movie theaters. There were over three thousand in the US at
one time. Another site I went to for info said over five thousand.
There are less than 300 of them now.
--
Jim

On 2022-08-21 15:27, Peter Flass wrote (in part):
> By the way, I don’t golf. At one point I took a few lessons thinking it
> might be a good retirement hobby, but I never got into it. I do appreciate
> the greenery that the courses offer, because there’s darn little of it here
> otherwise.

Unfortunately the "greenery" is often full of pesticides and
insecticides (though different localities have different rules).

N.

>
> --
> Pete

D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> writes:
>On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 12:27:57 -0700, Peter Flass

>>Sadly, a lot of miniature golf courses have gone the way of most drive-ins.
>>There are still some out there, but you have to look to find them. Another
>>victim of our housing industry that gobbles up every bit of land that
>>doesn�t already have a building on it.

Even if it already has a building that's considered unproductive or
obsolete.

>
>Yup. I had, and have now partially put back, a web site on closed
>drive-in movie theaters. There were over three thousand in the US at
>one time. Another site I went to for info said over five thousand.
>There are less than 300 of them now.

And bowling alleys, softball fields and roller skating rinks. All becoming
vestiges of the past.

On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 16:53:41 GMT
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:

> D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> writes:
> >On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 12:27:57 -0700, Peter Flass
>
> >>Sadly, a lot of miniature golf courses have gone the way of most drive-ins.
> >>There are still some out there, but you have to look to find them. Another
> >>victim of our housing industry that gobbles up every bit of land that
> >>doesn’t already have a building on it.
>
> Even if it already has a building that's considered unproductive or
> obsolete.
>
> >
> >Yup. I had, and have now partially put back, a web site on closed
> >drive-in movie theaters. There were over three thousand in the US at
> >one time. Another site I went to for info said over five thousand.
> >There are less than 300 of them now.
>
> And bowling alleys, softball fields and roller skating rinks. All becoming
> vestiges of the past.
>
This NG is open to all nations; we used to have bowling alleys (we'd call
them skittle alleys) in some pubs (a few still left), but rarely the other
things.

top hit:
https://thebarleymow.pub/skittle-alley/

more of a dining space nowadays.

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On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 10:56:19 -0400
nemo <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 2022-08-21 15:27, Peter Flass wrote (in part):
> > By the way, I don’t golf. At one point I took a few lessons thinking it
> > might be a good retirement hobby, but I never got into it. I do appreciate
> > the greenery that the courses offer, because there’s darn little of it here
> > otherwise.
>
> Unfortunately the "greenery" is often full of pesticides and
> insecticides (though different localities have different rules).
>
There might be an issue with water usage too.

--
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>nemo <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-08-21 15:27, Peter Flass wrote (in part):
>> > By the way, I don’t golf. At one point I took a few lessons thinking it
>> > might be a good retirement hobby, but I never got into it. I do appreciate
>> > the greenery that the courses offer, because there’s darn little of it here
>> > otherwise.
>>
>> Unfortunately the "greenery" is often full of pesticides and
>> insecticides (though different localities have different rules).

Aren't pesticides and insecticides basically the same thing?

Were you thinking herbicides?

nemo <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes:

> On 2022-08-21 15:27, Peter Flass wrote (in part):
>> By the way, I don’t golf. At one point I took a few lessons thinking it
>> might be a good retirement hobby, but I never got into it. I do appreciate
>> the greenery that the courses offer, because there’s darn little of it here
>> otherwise.
>
> Unfortunately the "greenery" is often full of pesticides and
> insecticides (though different localities have different rules).

What difference does that make? The greenery is there to look nice.

First time I saw a putting green I was amazed. The grass does a good
imitation of a carpet.

--
Dan Espen

On 2022-08-22, Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 10:56:19 -0400
> nemo <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-08-21 15:27, Peter Flass wrote (in part):
>> > By the way, I don’t golf. At one point I took a few lessons thinking it
>> > might be a good retirement hobby, but I never got into it. I do appreciate
>> > the greenery that the courses offer, because there’s darn little of it here
>> > otherwise.
>>
>> Unfortunately the "greenery" is often full of pesticides and
>> insecticides (though different localities have different rules).
>>
> There might be an issue with water usage too.
>
>
Specially at the moment. The small golf course I mentioned used make a
point of being environmentally friendly, but in trying to get rid of
moss, spread an iron compound on the greens, which, natch, turned almost
to blue.

I am not a member of a golf club, but it amuses me to see people playing
in the rain, while building workers nearby have stopped.

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No Money If You Stop For The Rain.

On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 16:04:47 -0400
Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:

> nemo <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes:
>
> > On 2022-08-21 15:27, Peter Flass wrote (in part):
> >> By the way, I don’t golf. At one point I took a few lessons thinking it
> >> might be a good retirement hobby, but I never got into it. I do
> >> appreciate the greenery that the courses offer, because there’s darn
> >> little of it here otherwise.
> >
> > Unfortunately the "greenery" is often full of pesticides and
> > insecticides (though different localities have different rules).
>
> What difference does that make? The greenery is there to look nice.

Have you not heard that pollinating insects are heading towards
being endangered species partly (at least) thanks to extensive use of
pesticides.

> First time I saw a putting green I was amazed. The grass does a good
> imitation of a carpet.

From the point of view of most wildlife it is about as much use as
so many acres of carpet. Pretty green lawns are being recognised as being
ecological disasters that are in themselves another part of the above
mentioned problem. But hey they look pretty so that's OK - not!

--
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On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 18:17:28 +0100
"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> This NG is open to all nations; we used to have bowling alleys (we'd call
> them skittle alleys) in some pubs (a few still left), but rarely the other
> things.

Growing up in Cambrige (the original) in the 1960s there was a
bowling alley and a roller skating rink - they went bust and were gone some
time in the 70s. Fast forward hlf a century and there's a bowling alley in
Tralee that's relatively new (decade or so I think) that seems to be doing
well - the only skating rink I've seen in recent decades is a travelling ice
skating rink - roller skates were becoming rare when skeelers (er roller
blades) took off.

--
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On 2022-08-14 06:47, Iron Spring Software wrote:
> https://wnbf.com/demolition-ibm-country-club-endicott-imminent/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral

Is the same place where IBM used to set up their tent-city for their
Hundred Per Cent Club
(https://www.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/vintage/vintage_4506VV2060.html )?

N.

Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:

>Golf courses, along with parks, etc. provide much-needed greenspace. You
>might not play golf, but the trees, ponds, etc. cool and purify the air.
>People pay a premium for housing adjoining a golf course.

They are vastly over-fertilized, leading to toxic runoff into the watershed.

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On 2022-10-13, David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote:
> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>
>>Golf courses, along with parks, etc. provide much-needed greenspace. You
>>might not play golf, but the trees, ponds, etc. cool and purify the air.
>>People pay a premium for housing adjoining a golf course.
>
> They are vastly over-fertilized, leading to toxic runoff into the watershed.
>

One near here, supposably on public land with no permission to apply
fertilizer, spread an iron based stuff `by night and fog' to kill off
moss. The grass on the greens changed colour to a deep green purple. It
probably took a good bribe for that to be overlooked.

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