I have ffmpeg untainted installed. To remove it also nukes clipgrab and
kdenlive. They can be reinstalled but it's annoying.

Is there another way?

Regards
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faeychild
Running kde on 6.6.18-desktop-1.mga9 kernel.
Mageia release 9 (Official) for x86_64

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 18:50:46 -0500, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> I have ffmpeg untainted installed. To remove it also nukes clipgrab and
> kdenlive. They can be reinstalled but it's annoying.

Why? It's only around 10MB?

"rpm -e --nodeps ffmpeg" will uninstall it without uninstalling the packages
that require it, but don't expect them to work without it. kdenlive and clipgrab
use it.

Note. If you install the tainted version, it will uninstall the core version
as part of the process of updating from the core version to the tainted
version. The tainted version also can be used by kdenlive and clipgrab.

There is no need to uninstall the core version to install the tainted version.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

On 9/3/24 11:11, David W. Hodgins wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 18:50:46 -0500, faeychild
> <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> I have ffmpeg untainted installed. To remove it also nukes clipgrab and
>> kdenlive. They can be reinstalled but it's annoying.
>
> Why? It's only around 10MB?
>
> "rpm -e --nodeps ffmpeg" will uninstall it without uninstalling the
> packages
> that require it, but don't expect them to work without it. kdenlive and
> clipgrab
> use it.
>
> Note. If you install the tainted version, it will uninstall the core
> version
> as part of the process of updating from  the core version to the tainted
> version. The tainted version also can be used by kdenlive and clipgrab.
>
> There is no need to uninstall the core version to install the tainted
> version.

Does it overwrite the untainted? - having the same name and all

mga9 kdenlive just complained about audio codec acc I assume may have
something to do with ffmpeg tainted being absent

regards

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faeychild
Running kde on 5.15.126-desktop-1.mga8 kernel.
Mageia release 8 (Official) for x86_64

> On 9/3/24 11:11, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>> On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 18:50:46 -0500, faeychild
>> <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>> I have ffmpeg untainted installed. To remove it also nukes clipgrab
>>> and kdenlive. They can be reinstalled but it's annoying.
>>
>> Why? It's only around 10MB?
>>
>> "rpm -e --nodeps ffmpeg" will uninstall it without uninstalling the
>> packages that require it, but don't expect them to work without it.
>> kdenlive and clipgrab use it.
>>
>> Note. If you install the tainted version, it will uninstall the core
>> version as part of the process of updating from  the core version to
>> the tainted version. The tainted version also can be used by kdenlive
>> and clipgrab.
>>
>> There is no need to uninstall the core version to install the tainted
>> version.
>
> Does it overwrite the untainted? - having the same name and all
>
>
> mga9 kdenlive just complained about audio codec acc I assume may have
> something to do with ffmpeg tainted being absent
>
>
>
> regards

Yes.

--
Jim Whitby

.... bacteriological warfare ... hard to believe we were once foolish
enough to play around with that.
-- McCoy, "The Omega Glory", stardate unknown
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6.6.18-server-1.mga9 unknown
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On 3/8/24 20:03, faeychild wrote:
> On 9/3/24 11:11, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>> On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 18:50:46 -0500, faeychild
>> <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>> I have ffmpeg untainted installed. To remove it also nukes clipgrab and
>>> kdenlive. They can be reinstalled but it's annoying.
>>
>> Why? It's only around 10MB?
>>
>> "rpm -e --nodeps ffmpeg" will uninstall it without uninstalling the
>> packages
>> that require it, but don't expect them to work without it. kdenlive
>> and clipgrab
>> use it.
>>
>> Note. If you install the tainted version, it will uninstall the core
>> version
>> as part of the process of updating from  the core version to the tainted
>> version. The tainted version also can be used by kdenlive and clipgrab.
>>
>> There is no need to uninstall the core version to install the tainted
>> version.
>
> Does it overwrite the untainted? - having the same name and all
>
>
> mga9 kdenlive just complained about audio codec acc  I assume may have
> something to do with ffmpeg tainted being absent
>
>
>
> regards
>

A while back when I was getting into Linux something wanted codecs and
I found a package of codecs by doing a Internet search
probably with Google. I don't think DuckDuckGo had gotten off the
pond yet. Anyway i found those codec and added them as directed in
the enclosed file Read.me file. Suddenly a great many things no
longer asked for codecs. Whether this is of help or not I do not
know but maybe...

bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2024.03- Linux 6.6.20- Plasma 5.27.10

--
bliss dash SF four ever at dsl extreme dot com

On 9/3/24 16:05, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

>
>     A while back when I was getting into Linux something wanted codecs
> and I found a package of codecs by doing a Internet search
> probably with Google.  I don't think DuckDuckGo had gotten off the
> pond yet.  Anyway i found those codec and added them as directed in
> the enclosed file Read.me file.  Suddenly a great many things no
> longer asked for codecs.  Whether this is of help or not I do not
> know but maybe...

Probably much to do with it, Bobby
Back with Mandrake and RedHat codec were problematic

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Running kde on 6.6.18-desktop-1.mga9 kernel.
Mageia release 9 (Official) for x86_64

On 9/3/24 11:11, David W. Hodgins wrote:

>
> Note. If you install the tainted version, it will uninstall the core
> version
> as part of the process of updating from  the core version to the tainted
> version. The tainted version also can be used by kdenlive and clipgrab.
>
> There is no need to uninstall the core version to install the tainted
> version.
>
> Regards, Dave Hodgins

I bit the bullet a little before your post

before and after

[faeychild@unmatrix ~]$ rpm -qa |grep ffmpeg
ffmpegthumbs-23.04.1-1.mga9
ffmpeg-5.1.3-3.mga9
[faeychild@unmatrix ~]$ rpm -qa |grep ffmpeg
ffmpegthumbs-23.04.1-1.mga9
ffmpeg-5.1.3-3.mga9.tainted
[faeychild@unmatrix ~]$

Now xine is blasting through mp4's at speed, probably codecs also.
never mind I have work arounds

regards
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faeychild
Running kde on 6.6.18-desktop-1.mga9 kernel.
Mageia release 9 (Official) for x86_64

On 9/3/24 17:22, faeychild wrote:
> On 9/3/24 11:11, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>
>>
>> Note. If you install the tainted version, it will uninstall the core
>> version
>> as part of the process of updating from  the core version to the tainted
>> version. The tainted version also can be used by kdenlive and clipgrab.
>>
>> There is no need to uninstall the core version to install the tainted
>> version.
>>
>> Regards, Dave Hodgins
>
>
> I bit the bullet a little before your post
>
> before and after
>
> [faeychild@unmatrix ~]$ rpm -qa  |grep ffmpeg
> ffmpegthumbs-23.04.1-1.mga9
> ffmpeg-5.1.3-3.mga9
> [faeychild@unmatrix ~]$ rpm -qa  |grep ffmpeg
> ffmpegthumbs-23.04.1-1.mga9
> ffmpeg-5.1.3-3.mga9.tainted
> [faeychild@unmatrix ~]$
>
>
> Now xine is blasting through mp4's at speed, probably codecs also.
>  never mind I have work arounds

xine needed a reboot, probably to pickup the new ffmpeg

All fine

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faeychild
Running kde on 6.6.18-desktop-1.mga9 kernel.
Mageia release 9 (Official) for x86_64

On Sat, 09 Mar 2024 01:34:18 -0500, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
<snip>
>> I bit the bullet a little before your post
>>
>> before and after
>>
>> [faeychild@unmatrix ~]$ rpm -qa |grep ffmpeg
>> ffmpegthumbs-23.04.1-1.mga9
>> ffmpeg-5.1.3-3.mga9
>> [faeychild@unmatrix ~]$ rpm -qa |grep ffmpeg
>> ffmpegthumbs-23.04.1-1.mga9
>> ffmpeg-5.1.3-3.mga9.tainted
>> [faeychild@unmatrix ~]$
>>
>>
>> Now xine is blasting through mp4's at speed, probably codecs also.
>> never mind I have work arounds
> xine needed a reboot, probably to pickup the new ffmpeg
>
>
> All fine

Glad it's working.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

On 2024-03-08 23:03, faeychild wrote:
> Does it overwrite the untainted? - having the same name and all

It doesn't exactly have the same name - the tainted version has
"tainted" on the end of the rpm name.

When there are tainted and non-tainted (core) versions of the same rpm,
Mageia's update tools consider the tainted version to be higher than the
core version, and so updates it in the normal fashion, by installing the
update first and removing the old package after.

TJ

On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 09:09:52 -0400, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:
> On 2024-03-08 23:03, faeychild wrote:
>> Does it overwrite the untainted? - having the same name and all
> It doesn't exactly have the same name - the tainted version has
> "tainted" on the end of the rpm name.
> When there are tainted and non-tainted (core) versions of the same rpm,
> Mageia's update tools consider the tainted version to be higher than the
> core version, and so updates it in the normal fashion, by installing the
> update first and removing the old package after.

Installing an update, which includes switching from the core to the tainted
version, replaces (writes new temp, unlinks old, renames temp to the proper
name) any files that have the same path and file name, and may write additional
files. Any files that were present in the old version, that are not in the
update, are unlinked and the info about the package including which files it
owns (aka package meta data) is then deleted from the rpm database in
/var/lib/rpm.

It's the unlinking and renaming of files, as well database updates that are
the "uninstalling" part of a package update.

urpmi groups package installations into transactions, at the end of each
transaction. The urpmi database in /var/cache/urpmi which stores info about
which installed packages are required by other packages, is updated after the
end of each transaction

Unlinking (aka deleting) is removing the name and inode entry from from the
directory file in the file system, and freeing all inodes in use by the file.
The data in the file is still present until the part of the storage area
containing it is overwritten.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

On 2024-03-11 11:34, David W. Hodgins wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 09:09:52 -0400, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:
>> On 2024-03-08 23:03, faeychild wrote:
>>> Does it overwrite the untainted? - having the same name and all
>> It doesn't exactly have the same name - the tainted version has
>> "tainted" on the end of the rpm name.
>> When there are tainted and non-tainted (core) versions of the same rpm,
>> Mageia's update tools consider the tainted version to be higher than the
>> core version, and so updates it in the normal fashion, by installing the
>> update first and removing the old package after.
>
> Installing an update, which includes switching from the core to the tainted
> version, replaces (writes new temp, unlinks old, renames temp to the proper
> name) any files that have the same path and file name, and may write
> additional
> files. Any files that were present in the old version, that are not in the
> update, are unlinked and the info about the package including which
> files it
> owns (aka package meta data) is then deleted from the rpm database in
> /var/lib/rpm.
>
> It's the unlinking and renaming of files, as well database updates that are
> the "uninstalling" part of a package update.
>
> urpmi groups package installations into transactions, at the end of each
> transaction. The urpmi database in /var/cache/urpmi which stores info about
> which installed packages are required by other packages, is updated
> after the
> end of each transaction
>
> Unlinking (aka deleting) is removing the name and inode entry from from the
> directory file in the file system, and freeing all inodes in use by the
> file.
> The data in the file is still present until the part of the storage area
> containing it is overwritten.
>
> Regards, Dave Hodgins

I never claimed to know all the nuts and bolts of the process. All I
knew was what I saw in the GUI for every update:

Downloading xxxxnew
Installing xxxxnew
Removing xxxxold

And that's all I as a non-technical user really thought I needed to
know, as long as it works.

TJ

On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 17:03:37 -0400, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:
> And that's all I as a non-technical user really thought I needed to
> know, as long as it works.

I like to know how things work. When something does not work properly, it makes
it easier to figure out why it isn't working and how it should be fixed. Some
things I can fix myself, others giving the extra detail helps to get it fixed
properly and quicker.

Once the details have been at least read, it helps in the future to find the
details when needed, without the need to memorize all of them.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

On 10/3/24 02:55, David W. Hodgins wrote:

>> All fine
>
> Glad it's working.
>
> Regards, Dave Hodgins

Well yes and no

That is old work, I have reinstalled since then and found a deal of the
quirkiness has gone
But some anomalies remain. During the media setup all tainted media were
checked

[root@unimatrix ~]# urpmq --list-media active
Core Release (distrib1)
Core Updates (distrib3)
Nonfree Release (distrib11)
Nonfree Updates (distrib13)
Tainted Release (distrib21)
Tainted Updates (distrib23)
Core 32bit Release (distrib31)
Core 32bit Updates (distrib32)
Nonfree 32bit Release (distrib36)
Nonfree 32bit Updates (distrib37)
Tainted 32bit Release (distrib41)
Tainted 32bit Updates (distrib42)

Yet despite this I found that while task-codec-audio/video tainted were
installed, ffmpeg wasn't.

I discovered this when trying to run kdenlive - now corrected

And not even a breath of a problem with xine, it's flawless

Regards

--
faeychild
Running kde on 6.6.18-desktop-1.mga9 kernel.
Mageia release 9 (Official) for x86_64

On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 02:41:03 -0400, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> Yet despite this I found that while task-codec-audio/video tainted were
> installed, ffmpeg wasn't.
>
> I discovered this when trying to run kdenlive - now corrected

$ rpm -q --requires kdenlive|grep ffm
ffmpeg

ffmpeg should have been included during the install of kdenlive.

If this was from an m9 install, /root/drakx should contain the logs that show
what happened. If it was installed after Mageia 9 was installed, it may still
be in the journal.

What does "urpmq --list-url" show for the mirror being used?

Regards, Dave Hodgins

On 2024-03-17 13:41, David W. Hodgins wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 02:41:03 -0400, faeychild
> <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> Yet despite this I found that while task-codec-audio/video tainted were
>> installed, ffmpeg wasn't.
>>
>> I discovered this when trying to run kdenlive - now corrected
>
> $ rpm -q --requires kdenlive|grep ffm
> ffmpeg
>
> ffmpeg should have been included during the install of kdenlive.
>
It's dangerous to assume something that was not said, but I believe he
meant that the core version of ffmpeg was installed, but the tainted
version was not.

Kdenlive is a core package, so therefore cannot require any tainted
packages to install and run, but that doesn't mean all the features are
available without the appropriate tainted packages.

As to why ffmpeg core wasn't updated to ffmpeg tainted with the other
core-to-tainted packages, I don't have a clue.

TJ

On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 15:54:24 -0400, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:

> On 2024-03-17 13:41, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 02:41:03 -0400, faeychild
>> <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>> Yet despite this I found that while task-codec-audio/video tainted were
>>> installed, ffmpeg wasn't.
>>>
>>> I discovered this when trying to run kdenlive - now corrected
>>
>> $ rpm -q --requires kdenlive|grep ffm
>> ffmpeg
>>
>> ffmpeg should have been included during the install of kdenlive.
>>
> It's dangerous to assume something that was not said, but I believe he
> meant that the core version of ffmpeg was installed, but the tainted
> version was not.
>
> Kdenlive is a core package, so therefore cannot require any tainted
> packages to install and run, but that doesn't mean all the features are
> available without the appropriate tainted packages.
>
> As to why ffmpeg core wasn't updated to ffmpeg tainted with the other
> core-to-tainted packages, I don't have a clue.

If that's the case, see if "urpmi --auto-update --auto" installs the tainted
version. If not, run it again with "urpmi --auto-update --auto --debug".,
and post the results.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

On 2024-03-17, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> On 10/3/24 02:55, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>
>>> All fine
>>
>> Glad it's working.
>>
>> Regards, Dave Hodgins
>
.....
Not everythng in tainted, or in any of the other repositories, are
installed. That would end you up with probably with 100GB or so of
installed stuff. ffmpeg is file with somewhat dubious legality in many
parts of the world, and Mageia would not want to be arrested for
encouraging lawbreaking in some corner of the world. Thus it is almost
certainly not on the list of stuff installed automaticall. You need to
install it specially yourself, so that only you would get arrested if it
happened to be illegal in your neck of the woods.
So, just install it.

>
> Yet despite this I found that while task-codec-audio/video tainted were
> installed, ffmpeg wasn't.
>
> I discovered this when trying to run kdenlive - now corrected
>
> And not even a breath of a problem with xine, it's flawless
>
> Regards
>

On 19/3/24 16:37, William Unruh wrote:
> On 2024-03-17, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> On 10/3/24 02:55, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>>
>>>> All fine
>>>
>>> Glad it's working.
>>>
>>> Regards, Dave Hodgins
>>
> ....
> Not everythng in tainted, or in any of the other repositories, are
> installed. That would end you up with probably with 100GB or so of
> installed stuff. ffmpeg is file with somewhat dubious legality in many
> parts of the world, and Mageia would not want to be arrested for
> encouraging lawbreaking in some corner of the world. Thus it is almost
> certainly not on the list of stuff installed automaticall. You need to
> install it specially yourself, so that only you would get arrested if it
> happened to be illegal in your neck of the woods.
> So, just install it.

\
Then that would suggest that while task-codec-audio/video tainted are
not as tainted as ffmpegg, one just has to be on one's toes in this regard
A note in the brain file regarding this anomaly

Thanks William

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Running kde on 6.6.18-desktop-1.mga9 kernel.
Mageia release 9 (Official) for x86_64