This seems to keep getting harder. FF 115. I just want
to shut it off. I've disabled suggestions everywhere possible,
but it still shows a default search engine box below the
address bar when I start to type, offering to search the text
or guessing what I might be tryint to type. For example,
if I type www.am it would probably pop up a box suggesting
that I might want to visit amazom.com. How do I get it to
just completely shut up and act like a text box?

Newyana2 wrote:
> This seems to keep getting harder. FF 115. I just want
> to shut it off. I've disabled suggestions everywhere possible,
> but it still shows a default search engine box below the
> address bar when I start to type, offering to search the text
> or guessing what I might be tryint to type. For example,
> if I type www.am it would probably pop up a box suggesting
> that I might want to visit amazom.com. How do I get it to
> just completely shut up and act like a text box?

about:preferences#search -> Search Suggestions

On 12 Jul 2023 19:24:56 -0400 Newyana2 wrote:
>This seems to keep getting harder. FF 115. I just want
>to shut it off. I've disabled suggestions everywhere possible,
>but it still shows a default search engine box below the
>address bar when I start to type, offering to search the text
>or guessing what I might be tryint to type. For example,
>if I type www.am it would probably pop up a box suggesting
>that I might want to visit amazom.com. How do I get it to
>just completely shut up and act like a text box?
>
Your example sounds like history autocomplete. I don't know how to turn it
off (I use it all the time) but try looking for those words in settings or
about:config.
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Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:

>This seems to keep getting harder. FF 115. I just want
>to shut it off. I've disabled suggestions everywhere possible,
>but it still shows a default search engine box below the
>address bar when I start to type, offering to search the text
>or guessing what I might be tryint to type. For example,
>if I type www.am it would probably pop up a box suggesting
>that I might want to visit amazom.com. How do I get it to
>just completely shut up and act like a text box?

about:preferences > search > Search Bar

tick Add search bar in toolbar

about:preferences > search > Search Suggestions

untick Show search suggestions in address bar results

You will still get text under the address bar but no suggestions. There
are several settings to disable in about:config to deal with these but
these may disable search shortcuts that begin with punctuation marks.

I leave search suggestions turned on for the separate search bar, which
I use for a quick and dirty speel chuck

"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote

| untick Show search suggestions in address bar results
| | You will still get text under the address bar but no suggestions. There
| are several settings to disable in about:config to deal with these but
| these may disable search shortcuts that begin with punctuation marks.

I've disabled eveything I can find. keyword.enabled,
search settings, prefetch settings... I still get the useless
popup box suggesting that I "visit" as I type. It's not
a big deal, but it is a nonsensical distraction, since it only
serves as a mirror of the address bar itself. The behavior
doesn't change with or without the search bar showing.

There's no such behavior in older Firefox, such as 52
that I use on XP. I just type in the address bar and it just
sits there, obediently waiting for my next input. :)

So I'm trying to figure out whether this
is new nonsense with a new setting, whether I found the
setting in FF52, or whether it's just one more thing that the
Mozillians have decided should not be optional.

Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote

Could you please not use proprietary quote level indicators? ">" is
universally recognizeable as the quote-level indicator and parseable by
newsreaders that parse for it; "|" is not recognized.

>>untick Show search suggestions in address bar results

>>You will still get text under the address bar but no suggestions. There
>>are several settings to disable in about:config to deal with these but
>>these may disable search shortcuts that begin with punctuation marks.

> I've disabled eveything I can find. keyword.enabled,
>search settings, prefetch settings... I still get the useless
>popup box suggesting that I "visit" as I type.

You said earlier that Firefox was offering a guess. If you untick search
suggestions, Firefox won't guess completion here.

But yes, it still offers the box below the address bar without the
autocomplete suggestion.

On my Windows 8.1 machine, I changed a number of settings in
about:config for urlbar and others that got rid of the box entirely. I
don't recall what I did, but whatever it was, it also prevented me from
invoking special searches with single punctuation marks as the shortcut.

It got rid of one annoyance but broke something else.

If I remembered what I did, I'd tell you. Sorry about that.

>. . .

Trying Adam's suggestion, I searched prefs for "urlbar"
and set nearly all values to false. I'm afraid this wasn't
a scientific endeavor. There were just far too many values
to test each one. But by changing those settings, on top
of disabling keyords, searchbar options in settings, etc,
I finally got a plain old address bar with no popups. And it's
not necessary to also make the secondary search bar visible.
Life is good. :)

Newyana2@invalid.nospam wrote:

> Trying Adam's suggestion, I searched prefs for "urlbar"
>and set nearly all values to false. I'm afraid this wasn't
>a scientific endeavor. There were just far too many values
>to test each one. But by changing those settings, on top
>of disabling keyords, searchbar options in settings, etc,
>I finally got a plain old address bar with no popups. And it's
>not necessary to also make the secondary search bar visible.
>Life is good. :)

That's interesting.

Are you still able to use the single punctuation marks as search keys?

"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote

| Are you still able to use the single punctuation marks as search keys?

I don't know what that means. I've never searched from
a browser and don't see any reason to do so. If I want
to search I use my DDG bookmark.

Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote

>>Are you still able to use the single punctuation marks as search keys?

> I don't know what that means. I've never searched from
>a browser and don't see any reason to do so. If I want
>to search I use my DDG bookmark.

about:preferences > Search > Search Shortcuts

* % ^ >

Each invokes a specific type of search.

Op 14-7-2023 om 14:10 schreef Newyana2:
> Trying Adam's suggestion, I searched prefs for "urlbar"
> and set nearly all values to false. I'm afraid this wasn't
> a scientific endeavor. There were just far too many values
> to test each one. But by changing those settings, on top
> of disabling keyords, searchbar options in settings, etc,
> I finally got a plain old address bar with no popups. And it's
> not necessary to also make the secondary search bar visible.
> Life is good. :)
>
>

I thought it was

browser.search.suggest.enabled -> false

and also as Adam suggested 6 items beginning with:
browser.urlbar.suggest.... -> false
and
browser.urlbar.showSearchSuggestionsFirst -> false

Rink
(sorry for being so late)

Am 22.08.23 um 22:11 schrieb Rink:
> Op 14-7-2023 om 14:10 schreef Newyana2:
>> Trying Adam's suggestion, I searched prefs for "urlbar"
>> and set nearly all values to false. I'm afraid this wasn't
>> a scientific endeavor. There were just far too many values
>> to test each one. But by changing those settings, on top
>> of disabling keyords, searchbar options in settings, etc,
>> I finally got a plain old address bar with no popups. And it's
>> not necessary to also make the secondary search bar visible.
>> Life is good. :)
>>
>>
>
>
> I thought it was
>
> browser.search.suggest.enabled -> false
>
> and also as Adam suggested 6 items beginning with:
> browser.urlbar.suggest.... -> false
> and
> browser.urlbar.showSearchSuggestionsFirst -> false
>
> Rink
> (sorry for being so late)

My question: Why in the first place do you want to set these values to
"false"?

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"Rink" <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> wrote

| I thought it was
| | browser.search.suggest.enabled -> false
| | and also as Adam suggested 6 items beginning with:
| browser.urlbar.suggest.... -> false
| and
| browser.urlbar.showSearchSuggestionsFirst -> false
|

I guess I'm getting old. I'd already forgotten this, having
shut up the address bar prattle. :) You may be right. I'm not
sure. What I saved in my notes was this:

--------------------
keyword.enabled false
browser.fixup.alternate.enabled false

disable "urlbar" settings

all in addition to turning off search in options
--------------------

Something in all that muck fixed it. The settings get
more ridiculous all the time. The number of search and
urlbar settings in prefs is crazy. And several are vague.
But for anyone who just wants a normal address bar
with no search bar, it's fairly easy to just shut them
all off. If someone wants, say, suggestions based on
history but no search, that might entail more
experimentation.

Jorg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>Am 22.08.23 um 22:11 schrieb Rink:
>>Op 14-7-2023 om 14:10 schreef Newyana2:

>>> Trying Adam's suggestion, I searched prefs for "urlbar"
>>>and set nearly all values to false. I'm afraid this wasn't
>>>a scientific endeavor. There were just far too many values
>>>to test each one. But by changing those settings, on top
>>>of disabling keyords, searchbar options in settings, etc,
>>>I finally got a plain old address bar with no popups. And it's
>>>not necessary to also make the secondary search bar visible.
>>>Life is good. :)
>>I thought it was

>>browser.search.suggest.enabled -> false

>>and also as Adam suggested 6 items beginning with:
>>browser.urlbar.suggest.... -> false
>>and
>>browser.urlbar.showSearchSuggestionsFirst -> false

>>Rink
>>(sorry for being so late)

>My question: Why in the first place do you want to set these values to
>"false"?

Could you please read through the thread so we don't have to go over
all this again? If the Firefox default works for you, then don't change
the values and ignore this matter entirely.

Adam,

>>My question: Why in the first place do you want to set these values
>> to "false"?
>
> Could you please read through the thread so we don't have to go over
> all this again?

My thoughts exactly, and I almost posted as much.

.... Until I realized that he isn't /that/ stupid, and his "question" is not
a question at all - but instead just an attempt to provoke an argument.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

Am 23.08.23 um 19:30 schrieb R.Wieser:
> Adam,
>
>>> My question: Why in the first place do you want to set these values
>>> to "false"?
>>
>> Could you please read through the thread so we don't have to go over
>> all this again?
>
> My thoughts exactly, and I almost posted as much.
>
> ... Until I realized that he isn't /that/ stupid, and his "question" is not
> a question at all - but instead just an attempt to provoke an argument.

Dear Rudi

Your and Kerman's a postings are totally OT.
And as I told you already long time ago I have abolutely no intention to
discuss anything technical with you. If your header is real it is really
bad. In case it is forged it is even worse.

X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512

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Jorg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>Am 23.08.23 um 19:30 schrieb R.Wieser:

>>Adam,

>>>Jorg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

>>>>My question: Why in the first place do you want to set these values
>>>>to "false"?

>>>Could you please read through the thread so we don't have to go over
>>>all this again?

>>My thoughts exactly, and I almost posted as much.

>>... Until I realized that he isn't /that/ stupid, and his "question" is not
>>a question at all - but instead just an attempt to provoke an argument.

>Your and Kerman's a postings are totally OT.
>And as I told you already long time ago I have abolutely no intention to
>discuss anything technical with you. If your header is real it is really
>bad. In case it is forged it is even worse.

>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512
>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512

I'm ruling that we have a seamusing.

J�rg,

> Your and Kerman's a postings are totally OT.

Ofcourse kid. Direct responses to what *you* wrote are OT. Got it.

> And as I told you already long time ago I have abolutely no intention
> to discuss anything technical with you.

Well, than we at least agree on one thing. :-)

> If your header is real it is really bad. In case it is forged it is even
> worse.
>
> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512
> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512

Ah yes, I can see it now. That "Microsoft" word is carrying an unregistered
firearm, isn't it ? I already wondered where my BFG went ...

Can you read what I wrote ? If you can than what do you care what I wrote
it with ?

Answer: You don't. Its just something to bitch about. Obviously no matter
if what it says is true or not.

Kid, there is a reason why I have put you into my "lets ignore them" list.
You've made quite clear with your last and current post why you stil belong
there.

By the way:
you have not mentioned yet why you posted that "question" of yours in the
first place, or why you think others should regurgitate to you what you
could easily find out yourself.

I mean, you *do* have a newsreader which can display messages grouped by
thread, do you ? Than it should be as easy as "walking up the thread" to
find its messages. Than all you need to do is to read them.

.... It would be bad if you are using a newsgroup reader which can't do that.
It would be even worse if you are incapable of finding and installing one
that can ...

(notice how I can easily turn your "you're using inferior software"
accusation around, and make you sound stupid at the same time?)

You might not want to "discuss anything technical" with me, but you do not
seem to fare anywhere better here. Maybe remove the word "technical" ? :-)

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

Am 24.08.23 um 10:23 schrieb R.Wieser:
> Kid, there is a reason why I have put you into my "lets ignore them" list.

Why the hell are you answering me then and wasting my time?

--
Manus manum lavat

On 24/08/2023 09:46, J�rg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 24.08.23 um 10:23 schrieb R.Wieser:
>> Kid, there is a reason why I have put you into my "lets ignore them" list.
> Why the hell are you answering me then and wasting my time?
>
He loves you. He wants to suck your cock. Got it, kid?

Jorg,

>> Kid, there is a reason why I have put you into my "lets ignore them"
>> list.
>
> Why the hell are you answering me

Perhaps because you directed that "Your and Kerman's a postings are totally
OT." to me, and I've been taught to /at least/ acknowledge I've been spoken
to ? I thought that was common curtesy.

> then and wasting my time?

I have no control over you deciding that you should butt into my post to
Adam. If you wasted your time trying to sling crap in my direction than
that is on your own head I'm afraid.

You got a trumpian air over you : no matter the crap you (try to) pull
(starting with you trying to pick a fight), its always the others fault.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

Adam,

> I'm ruling that we have a seamusing.

I had to look that word up.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=seamus&page=7

But no, bleargh!

Regardless of whom you consider to be the teacher and whom the student.

But how did you even get to that definition ?

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

R.Wieser <address@is.invalid> wrote:

>Adam,

>>I'm ruling that we have a seamusing.

>I had to look that word up.

>https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=seamus&page=7

>But no, bleargh!

>Regardless of whom you consider to be the teacher and whom the student.

>But how did you even get to that definition ?

It means it's a sockpuppet.

Adam,

>>https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=seamus&page=7
....
>>But how did you even get to that definition ?
>
> It means it's a sockpuppet.

Ah, thats not quite the same as what I found ... Phew. :-)

Its possible I guess, although thats also the case for pretty-much everyone
else here(including you and me).

Though I don't think so. I've crossed paths with jorg a few times now,
where he exhibited pretty-much the same behaviour. AFAIKS he's of the "I
know best and can't be wrong, and if facts are against me I will dig myself
outof the hole I got myself into" kind of person.

Meh.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

P.s.
I think he's got a bit of a newsgroup-reader fetish - he has mentioned mine
pretty-much every time we spoke (clashed) for over a year. :-)

On 2023-07-12 19:24, Newyana2 wrote:
> This seems to keep getting harder. FF 115. I just want
> to shut it off. I've disabled suggestions everywhere possible,
> but it still shows a default search engine box below the
> address bar when I start to type, offering to search the text
> or guessing what I might be tryint to type. For example,
> if I type www.am it would probably pop up a box suggesting
> that I might want to visit amazom.com. How do I get it to
> just completely shut up and act like a text box?

Most likely with the best of intentions mozillas often resemble the over
anxious butler that the master just keeps tripping over.