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Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/10/04/2034245/microsoft-releases-windows-11-a-day-early

Rather than a blurb at Slashdot, the actual article is at:

https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/4/22709166/microsoft-windows-11-release-download-available

"If you’ve purchased a Windows 10 machine recently, that means you
should be able to upgrade to Windows 11 right now."

Could they be any more vague? What is "recently"? When's the cutoff
duration for when it is not recent? They don't know, so they just
regurgitate what someone else declared.

You go a stretch down the road, and turn left. How many left turns
might there before you drive a stretch down the road?

On 10/4/21 18:02, Ant wrote:
> https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/10/04/2034245/microsoft-releases-windows-11-a-day-early
>

It has not shown up on uupdump yet

On 10/4/2021 10:25 PM, T wrote:
> On 10/4/21 18:02, Ant wrote:
>> https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/10/04/2034245/microsoft-releases-windows-11-a-day-early
>>
>
> It has not shown up on uupdump yet

Go get the MediaCreationTool for Windows 11.

Example. Option 3 promises an ISO. "Download Windows 11 Disk Image (ISO)"
Only a 64-bit version is available.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11

Why in the name of God would you use uupdump
for your Release copy you'll soon be using
on customer machines ?

Paul

In article <1rsc4ui1xaz6j.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>
wrote:

>
> https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/4/22709166/microsoft-windows-11-release-downl
> oad-available
>
> "If you¢ve purchased a Windows 10 machine recently, that means you
> should be able to upgrade to Windows 11 right now."
>
> Could they be any more vague? What is "recently"? When's the cutoff
> duration for when it is not recent? They don't know, so they just
> regurgitate what someone else declared.

there has been plenty of information on what qualifies, so there's no
need for that article to repeat it.

On 10/4/21 19:43, Paul wrote:
> Why in the name of God would you use uupdump
> for your Release copy you'll soon be using
> on customer machines ?
Hi Paul,
Chuckle!
I wrote an updates program that goes out and check
for updates on various programs I support. I was
using uupdump to tell me what new was available.
Sort of like a heads up. I will be downloading the
official ISO in a few minutes.
Thank you for the link. I now have it marked
in my W11 directory.
-T
I just noticed that the ISO name leaves out the
build number.

On 10/4/2021 11:05 PM, T wrote:

>
> I just noticed that the ISO name leaves out the
> build number.

There's an XML file inside the sources\install.ESD, with the release number.

Name: Windows.iso Windows 11 x64 Oct.5,2021 edition
Size: 4471455744 bytes (4264 MiB)
SHA1: 81B4971245ECEEB04F392F75F9A1FE361194B405

seven editions:

Windows 11 Home
Windows 11 Home N
Windows 11 Home Single Language
Windows 11 Education
Windows 11 Education N
Windows 10 Pro
Windows 10 Pro N

BUILD.SPBUILD = 22000.194

At least I didn't get the eleven version ISO,
which is too big for a single layer DVD. If you
got that one, you could use rufus.ie to prepare
a USB stick (it has a UEFI prep option).

The web page will be sniffing the host OS you use
for the download, so don't be surprised if it behaves
in a squirrel-like manner. For example, if you download
with Linux, the ISO is 5.1GB or so. That's likely to be
the eleven version DVD, four more versions than above.

Whether the SHA1 matches yours, all depends on how the
ISO was prepared. For a straight download, it would likely
be the same as mine. If MediaCreationToolW11 makes it,
there could be some sort of date stamp inside the ISO,
throwing off the SHA1 sum.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11

Best guess,
Paul

On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 05:04:15 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>On 10/4/2021 11:05 PM, T wrote:
>
>>
>> I just noticed that the ISO name leaves out the
>> build number.
>
>There's an XML file inside the sources\install.ESD, with the release number.
>
>Name: Windows.iso Windows 11 x64 Oct.5,2021 edition
>Size: 4471455744 bytes (4264 MiB)
>SHA1: 81B4971245ECEEB04F392F75F9A1FE361194B405
>
>seven editions:
>
> Windows 11 Home
> Windows 11 Home N
> Windows 11 Home Single Language
> Windows 11 Education
> Windows 11 Education N
> Windows 10 Pro
> Windows 10 Pro N
>
> BUILD.SPBUILD = 22000.194
>
>At least I didn't get the eleven version ISO,
>which is too big for a single layer DVD. If you
>got that one, you could use rufus.ie to prepare
>a USB stick (it has a UEFI prep option).
>
>The web page will be sniffing the host OS you use
>for the download, so don't be surprised if it behaves
>in a squirrel-like manner. For example, if you download
>with Linux, the ISO is 5.1GB or so. That's likely to be
>the eleven version DVD, four more versions than above.
>
>Whether the SHA1 matches yours, all depends on how the
>ISO was prepared. For a straight download, it would likely
>be the same as mine. If MediaCreationToolW11 makes it,
>there could be some sort of date stamp inside the ISO,
>throwing off the SHA1 sum.
>
>https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11
>
>Best guess,
> Paul
I always forget what PRO N means.

KenW

Just got an ISO from MS. It said Win 11 was really 21H2

KenW

On 2021-10-05 10:04 a.m., KenW wrote:
> Just got an ISO from MS. It said Win 11 was really 21H2

That would indicate that the Insider Preview some of us are already
running is identical to the final release. I imagine that there will be
an update to do little more than change the version number.

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@RabidHussar

KenW wrote:

> Just got an ISO from MS. It said Win 11 was really 21H2

Maybe that's Win11 21H2 and there'll also be a Win10 21H2 update? That won't be
confusing.

On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 15:20:39 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>KenW wrote:
>
>> Just got an ISO from MS. It said Win 11 was really 21H2
>
>Maybe that's Win11 21H2 and there'll also be a Win10 21H2 update? That won't be
>confusing.

Maybe MS saw I was on 21H1 and gave me 21H2

KenW

On 10/4/2021 7:43 PM, Paul wrote:
> On 10/4/2021 10:25 PM, T wrote:
>> On 10/4/21 18:02, Ant wrote:
>>> https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/10/04/2034245/microsoft-releases-windows-11-a-day-early
>>>
>>
>> It has not shown up on uupdump yet
>
> Go get the MediaCreationTool for Windows 11.
>
> Example. Option 3 promises an ISO. "Download Windows 11 Disk Image (ISO)"
> Only a 64-bit version is available.
>
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11

The bootable media created by Media Creation Tool can apparently only be
used to do a clean installation, not an upgrade, so that rules it out
for me.

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Ken

On 10/5/2021 11:44 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 10/4/2021 7:43 PM, Paul wrote:
>> On 10/4/2021 10:25 PM, T wrote:
>>> On 10/4/21 18:02, Ant wrote:
>>>> https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/10/04/2034245/microsoft-releases-windows-11-a-day-early
>>>>
>>>
>>> It has not shown up on uupdump yet
>>
>> Go get the MediaCreationTool for Windows 11.
>>
>> Example. Option 3 promises an ISO. "Download Windows 11 Disk Image (ISO)"
>> Only a 64-bit version is available.
>>
>>      https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11
>
>
>
> The bootable media created by Media Creation Tool can apparently only be used to do a clean  installation, not an upgrade, so that  rules it out for me.
>

Is there a Setup.exe on that boot media ?

And besides, your new build has a DVD drive.
Surely a DVD would work for you and do both
Clean installs as well as Repair/Upgrade installs.

In my W10 VM here, I was already seeing pestering to upgrade.

Paul

On 10/5/2021 11:44 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 10/4/2021 7:43 PM, Paul wrote:
>> On 10/4/2021 10:25 PM, T wrote:
>>> On 10/4/21 18:02, Ant wrote:
>>>> https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/10/04/2034245/microsoft-releases-windows-11-a-day-early
>>>>
>>>
>>> It has not shown up on uupdump yet
>>
>> Go get the MediaCreationTool for Windows 11.
>>
>> Example. Option 3 promises an ISO. "Download Windows 11 Disk Image (ISO)"
>> Only a 64-bit version is available.
>>
>>      https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11
>
>
>
> The bootable media created by Media Creation Tool can apparently only be used to do a clean  installation, not an upgrade, so that  rules it out for me.
>

It looks like the USB stick is perfectly
capable of doing an Upgrade Install. Like always.

https://i.postimg.cc/sgxQQcDL/W11-USB-Stick.jpg

Paul

On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 16:06:05 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>On 10/5/2021 11:44 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 10/4/2021 7:43 PM, Paul wrote:
>>> On 10/4/2021 10:25 PM, T wrote:
>>>> On 10/4/21 18:02, Ant wrote:
>>>>> https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/10/04/2034245/microsoft-releases-windows-11-a-day-early
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It has not shown up on uupdump yet
>>>
>>> Go get the MediaCreationTool for Windows 11.
>>>
>>> Example. Option 3 promises an ISO. "Download Windows 11 Disk Image (ISO)"
>>> Only a 64-bit version is available.
>>>
>>>      https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11
>>
>>
>>
>> The bootable media created by Media Creation Tool can apparently only be used to do a clean  installation, not an upgrade, so that  rules it out for me.
>>
>
>It looks like the USB stick is perfectly
>capable of doing an Upgrade Install. Like always.
>
>https://i.postimg.cc/sgxQQcDL/W11-USB-Stick.jpg
>
> Paul
I just had a crazy thing happen. The Win 11 I got from MS turned out
to be 20H2 on one machine. I used the same flash drive on an Acer
laptop and winver showed 21H1. Will test again tomorrow.
My Panasonic portable phone died Sunday ordered a new one AT&T
and one back cover doesn't fit. That is two things, now waiting for #3

KenW

On 10/5/21 02:04, Paul wrote:
> On 10/4/2021 11:05 PM, T wrote:
>
>>
>> I just noticed that the ISO name leaves out the
>> build number.
>
> There's an XML file inside the sources\install.ESD, with the release
> number.
> Name: Windows.iso                             Windows 11 x64 Oct.5,2021
> edition
> Size: 4471455744 bytes (4264 MiB)
> SHA1: 81B4971245ECEEB04F392F75F9A1FE361194B405
>
> seven editions:
>
>    Windows 11 Home
>    Windows 11 Home N
>    Windows 11 Home Single Language
>    Windows 11 Education
>    Windows 11 Education N
>    Windows 10 Pro
>    Windows 10 Pro N
>
>    BUILD.SPBUILD = 22000.194
>
> At least I didn't get the eleven version ISO,
> which is too big for a single layer DVD. If you
> got that one, you could use rufus.ie to prepare
> a USB stick (it has a UEFI prep option).
>
> The web page will be sniffing the host OS you use
> for the download, so don't be surprised if it behaves
> in a squirrel-like manner. For example, if you download
> with Linux, the ISO is 5.1GB or so. That's likely to be
> the eleven version DVD, four more versions than above.
>
> Whether the SHA1 matches yours, all depends on how the
> ISO was prepared. For a straight download, it would likely
> be the same as mine. If MediaCreationToolW11 makes it,
> there could be some sort of date stamp inside the ISO,
> throwing off the SHA1 sum.
>
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11
>
> Best guess,
>    Paul

Cut my first flash drive with it. It would not boot in
qemu-kvm, but it did boot natively.
I have a wipe and reinstall on a laptop tomorrow. I
will try W11 first.
Life in the fast lane.

On 10/5/2021 7:43 AM, KenW wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 05:04:15 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>
>> seven editions:
>>
>> Windows 11 Home
>> Windows 11 Home N
>> Windows 11 Home Single Language
>> Windows 11 Education
>> Windows 11 Education N
>> Windows 10 Pro
>> Windows 10 Pro N
>>
> I always forget what PRO N means.
>
> KenW

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_editions

"Regional variations

N/KN

As with previous versions of Windows since Windows XP, all Windows 10 editions
for PC hardware have "N" and "KN" variations in Europe and South Korea that
exclude certain bundled multimedia functionality, including media players
and related components, in order to comply with antitrust rulings.

The "Media Feature Pack" can be installed to restore these features.[46]

The variation cannot be changed without a clean install, and keys for one
variation will not work on other variations.
"

Part of that might at one time, have included a browser selection
process. Seeing as the browser choice was part of litigation.

Paul

Andy Burns wrote:

> Maybe that's Win11 21H2 and there'll also be a Win10 21H2 update?  That won't be
> confusing.

As I said, re: 21H1 TO 21H2 thread