I've tried Mate twice and for some reason the Pi 400 just doesn't like Mate, two different high
spec sd cards ; I turn on power, the light blinks and shuts OFF.

Ubuntu 22.04, Pi 64, Manjaro, Twister All worked fine, but so far can't get Mate or maybe Mint in
general to work.

GrailKing <grailking@invalid.net> wrote:
> I've tried Mate twice and for some reason the Pi 400 just doesn't like Mate, two different high
> spec sd cards ; I turn on power, the light blinks and shuts OFF.
>
> Ubuntu 22.04, Pi 64, Manjaro, Twister All worked fine, but so far can't get Mate or maybe Mint in
> general to work.

If you can install Ubuntu, you should be able to install the mate-desktop
package and it'll install Mate in Ubuntu. You can then select it when you
login.

I haven't tried it, but your symptoms suggest your Pi is not booting your
Mate image at all - where did you get it from? I wonder if it's an image
for Intel rather than Arm CPUs?

I don't think Linux Mate has an Arm version, so you can't run it on a Pi.
There are various guides about hacking up an Ubuntu install to look similar
to Mint, but most people install Mint for its simplicity when coming from a
Windows background. I think the level of hacking up is not really suitable
for those ex-Windows folks.

Theo

Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> I don't think Linux Mate has an Arm version, so you can't run it on a Pi.

Typo, should be 'I don't think Linux Mint has an Arm version'.
Mint is a distro, Mate is a desktop.
You can install the Mate desktop on other distros such as Ubuntu.

If you wanted the Cinnamon desktop rather than the Mate desktop, on Ubuntu
the package to install is called 'cinnamon'.

Theo

On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 16:36:32 +0100, Theo wrote:

> I haven't tried it, but your symptoms suggest your Pi is not booting
> your Mate image at all - where did you get it from? I wonder if it's an
> image for Intel rather than Arm CPUs?

One image came from Mint web page downloads, the other came from the Pi image app, both
said for Raspberry pi 64 bit, both refused to load, both said for ARM cpu.

I am a bit bummed;But the Pi. 64 OS is quite good, even if some of the software is a bit behind.

On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 16:42:13 +0100, Theo wrote:

> Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>> I don't think Linux Mate has an Arm version, so you can't run it on a
>> Pi.
>
> Typo, should be 'I don't think Linux Mint has an Arm version'.
> Mint is a distro, Mate is a desktop.
> You can install the Mate desktop on other distros such as Ubuntu.
>
> If you wanted the Cinnamon desktop rather than the Mate desktop, on
> Ubuntu the package to install is called 'cinnamon'.
>
> Theo

OKay, I may be wrong, I got Ubuntu-Mate 20.04 desktop - Arm 64-pi image.

On 02/08/2022 16:36, Theo wrote:
> GrailKing <grailking@invalid.net> wrote:
>> I've tried Mate twice and for some reason the Pi 400 just doesn't like Mate, two different high
>> spec sd cards ; I turn on power, the light blinks and shuts OFF.
>>
>> Ubuntu 22.04, Pi 64, Manjaro, Twister All worked fine, but so far can't get Mate or maybe Mint in
>> general to work.
>
> If you can install Ubuntu, you should be able to install the mate-desktop
> package and it'll install Mate in Ubuntu. You can then select it when you
> login.
>
> I haven't tried it, but your symptoms suggest your Pi is not booting your
> Mate image at all - where did you get it from? I wonder if it's an image
> for Intel rather than Arm CPUs?
>
> I don't think Linux Mate has an Arm version, so you can't run it on a Pi.
> There are various guides about hacking up an Ubuntu install to look similar
> to Mint, but most people install Mint for its simplicity when coming from a
> Windows background. I think the level of hacking up is not really suitable
> for those ex-Windows folks.
>
> Theo
>

Certainly true for me when I started developing on Linux. I tried Mint
but soon switched to major release Ubuntu because all web examples were
in terms of Ubuntu and even a little deviation could confuse me.

On 02/08/2022 16:04, GrailKing wrote:
> I've tried Mate twice and for some reason the Pi 400 just doesn't like Mate, two different high
> spec sd cards ; I turn on power, the light blinks and shuts OFF.

I've been running the Mate desktop with Raspbian for the last 3 major OS
and hardware versions, so it does work. Start with a working system with
the standard pixel desktop and install mate-desktop-environment. After
rebooting Mate will be a desktop option from the login screen.

> Ubuntu 22.04, Pi 64, Manjaro, Twister All worked fine, but so far can't get Mate or maybe Mint in
> general to work.

Linux Mint (the distro) isn't available for the Pi, but the Mate desktop
is available for on Raspbian and ARM Ubuntu distros.

I've never tried to install Cinnamon on the Pi, but from experience on
x86 systems it is considerably more CPU and memory hungry than Mint, so
probably isn't the best fit for the Pi

---druck

On 02/08/2022 21:15, druck wrote:
> Linux Mint (the distro) isn't available for the Pi, but the Mate desktop
> is available for on Raspbian and ARM Ubuntu distros.
>
+1
> I've never tried to install Cinnamon on the Pi, but from experience on
> x86 systems it is considerably more CPU and memory hungry than Mint, so
> probably isn't the best fit for the Pi

ITYM "considerably more CPU and memory hungry than *MATE* "

--
When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over
the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that
authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

Frédéric Bastiat

On 03/08/2022 09:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 02/08/2022 21:15, druck wrote:
>> Linux Mint (the distro) isn't available for the Pi, but the Mate
>> desktop is available for on Raspbian and ARM Ubuntu distros.
>>
> +1
>> I've never tried to install Cinnamon on the Pi, but from experience on
>> x86 systems it is considerably more CPU and memory hungry than Mint,
>> so probably isn't the best fit for the Pi
>
> ITYM "considerably more CPU and memory hungry than *MATE* "

Yes, I'm typing Mint where I meant Mate now too.

---druck