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I'm a little bored with the mailing lists of Magia. Despite the
efforts of the group staff, I could not change my subscription in
2458099@gmail.com to gfs1989@yahoo.com

Mailing list is something whose use has fallen a lot. Great services
of this type were closed like those from Yahoo and Google.

Wouldn't it be the time to create groups on Telegram to replace
discussion lists?

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Abraços
Gilberto F da Silva
Mageia release 9 (Cauldron) for x86_64
Kernel: 6.3.3-desktop-1.mga9
Desktop:
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On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 20:56:31 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:
> I'm a little bored with the mailing lists of Magia. Despite the
> efforts of the group staff, I could not change my subscription in
> 2458099@gmail.com to gfs1989@yahoo.com
>
> Mailing list is something whose use has fallen a lot. Great services
> of this type were closed like those from Yahoo and Google.
>
> Wouldn't it be the time to create groups on Telegram to replace
> discussion lists?

No. The discussion lists work well for most of the uses.

Due to abusers trying to take over packagers accounts, Mageia had to ensure
only the sysadmins can change an email address for anyone who has the privilege
of being allowed to implement changes in the Mageia packages, documentation,
etc., and only once they are convinced the request is coming from the person
controlling the old email address.

Switching to an alternate system not controlled by Mageia would put the security
of all Mageia users at risk. It would also require changes to things like
bugzilla, which is the standard bug reporting/tracking tool used by many linux
distributions and open source projects.

Did you post the email change request to the sysadmin-discuss mailing list as
advised?

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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David W. Hodgins escreveu:
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 20:56:31 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
> <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:
>> I'm a little bored with the mailing lists of Magia. Despite the
>> efforts of the group staff, I could not change my subscription
>> in 2458099@gmail.com to gfs1989@yahoo.com
>>
>> Mailing list is something whose use has fallen a lot. Great
>> services of this type were closed like those from Yahoo and
>> Google.
>>
>> Wouldn't it be the time to create groups on Telegram to replace
>> discussion lists?
>
> No. The discussion lists work well for most of the uses.
>
> Due to abusers trying to take over packagers accounts, Mageia had
> to ensure only the sysadmins can change an email address for anyone
> who has the privilege of being allowed to implement changes in the
> Mageia packages, documentation, etc., and only once they are
> convinced the request is coming from the person controlling the old
> email address.

Spam. This is something that bothered me. Currently, I don't care
much. If I don't care, I just delete it. I don't even like the ISP's
anti-spam filters because some things get filtered wrongly. On
Telegram, there are also random people always wanting to apply scams
using cryptocurrencies.
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Abraços
Gilberto F da Silva
Mageia release 9 (Cauldron) for x86_64
Kernel: 6.3.3-desktop-1.mga9
Desktop:
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David W. Hodgins escreveu:
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 20:56:31 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
> <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:
>> I'm a little bored with the mailing lists of Magia. Despite the
>> efforts of the group staff, I could not change my subscription
>> in 2458099@gmail.com to gfs1989@yahoo.com
>>
>> Mailing list is something whose use has fallen a lot. Great
>> services of this type were closed like those from Yahoo and
>> Google.
>>
>> Wouldn't it be the time to create groups on Telegram to replace
>> discussion lists?
>
> No. The discussion lists work well for most of the uses.

I find the method of subscribing to the list to be a bit complicated
and I believe it might put someone off who might be considering using
the distribution.

The option to send an email to
sympa@ml.mageia.org with subject SUB dev
does not work.

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Abraços
Gilberto F da Silva
Mageia release 9 (Cauldron) for x86_64
Kernel: 6.3.3-desktop-1.mga9
Desktop:
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David W. Hodgins escreveu:
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 20:56:31 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
> <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:
>> I'm a little bored with the mailing lists of Magia. Despite the
>> efforts of the group staff, I could not change my subscription
>> in 2458099@gmail.com to gfs1989@yahoo.com
>>
>> Mailing list is something whose use has fallen a lot. Great
>> services of this type were closed like those from Yahoo and
>> Google.
>>
>> Wouldn't it be the time to create groups on Telegram to replace
>> discussion lists?

> Switching to an alternate system not controlled by Mageia would put
> the security of all Mageia users at risk. It would also require
> changes to things like bugzilla, which is the standard bug
> reporting/tracking tool used by many linux distributions and open
> source projects.

On that same computer I have two other distributions installed
(Slackware and openSUSE). Both have groups on Telegram. I don't
remember reading anything about risks in them. Off topic subjects
appear but nothing that prevents the use of the group.

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Abraços
Gilberto F da Silva
Mageia release 9 (Cauldron) for x86_64
Kernel: 6.3.3-desktop-1.mga9
Desktop:
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David W. Hodgins escreveu:
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 20:56:31 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
> <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:
>> I'm a little bored with the mailing lists of Magia. Despite the
>> efforts of the group staff, I could not change my subscription
>> in 2458099@gmail.com to gfs1989@yahoo.com
>>
>> Mailing list is something whose use has fallen a lot. Great
>> services of this type were closed like those from Yahoo and
>> Google.
>>
>> Wouldn't it be the time to create groups on Telegram to replace
>> discussion lists?
>

> Did you post the email change request to the sysadmin-discuss
> mailing list as advised?

You've said several times that there's a shortage of people to work
on distribution. So the chances of changing things in the distribution
are slim. I made changes to the mutt settings to redirect mail from
lists to another box and reconfigured the smtp server.

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Abraços
Gilberto F da Silva
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On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 22:25:15 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:

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> David W. Hodgins escreveu:
>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 20:56:31 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
>> <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:
>>> I'm a little bored with the mailing lists of Magia. Despite the
>>> efforts of the group staff, I could not change my subscription
>>> in 2458099@gmail.com to gfs1989@yahoo.com
>>>
>>> Mailing list is something whose use has fallen a lot. Great
>>> services of this type were closed like those from Yahoo and
>>> Google.
>>>
>>> Wouldn't it be the time to create groups on Telegram to replace
>>> discussion lists?
>>
>
>> Did you post the email change request to the sysadmin-discuss
>> mailing list as advised?
>
> You've said several times that there's a shortage of people to work
> on distribution. So the chances of changing things in the distribution
> are slim. I made changes to the mutt settings to redirect mail from
> lists to another box and reconfigured the smtp server.

I'm not saying to contact the sysadmins to change the system. I'm saying
to contact them to get the email address associated with your identity
changed at identity.mageia.org

Regarding the spam, we still regularly have people create accounts just
so they can post spam to bugzilla. The purpose of that spam is to have
the number of references for some website increase, in an attempt at
search engine optimization. For example see
https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25020#c12
If you click on the + at the right side of the comment, you can still
see the spam that was posted.

We disable the account and mask the spam comments, and monitor every bug
report comment.

The account take over attempts that caused the restrictions on changing
email addresses for privileged identities were likely part of a failed
attempt to add malware to the Mageia repositories.

While the restrictions are annoying, they became a necessary extra layer
of security.

Regards, Dave Hodgins