The menu items in the new Libreoffice are truely horrible. Mostrous
icons and illegibile writing. It takes up a third of the screen
(2000x100 pixels). How do I get back the old menus-- single line of
words. Using Libreoffice surely the assumption should be that the user
can read, and does not want to look at a comic book while using it!
So, can I get back the traditional menus?

On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 20:30:00 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
> The menu items in the new Libreoffice are truely horrible. Mostrous
> icons and illegibile writing. It takes up a third of the screen
> (2000x100 pixels). How do I get back the old menus-- single line of
> words. Using Libreoffice surely the assumption should be that the user
> can read, and does not want to look at a comic book while using it!
> So, can I get back the traditional menus?

I suggest you should create a signature file with basic information about
your install/setup, for example:
echo "-- " > ~/.signature
cat /etc/release >> ~/.signature
echo "Kernel: $(uname -r)" >> ~/.signature
echo "Desktop: $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP" >> ~/.signature

If you add the above to your .bash_profile or .bashrc file the
~/.signature file will always contain current information.

then add
set signature ".signature"
to your slrn rc file.

Then open slrn and post a test message to any test group to verify
your basic system information is shown.

That way subject matter experts may be able to provide better answers to
their replies.

On 2023-03-30, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 20:30:00 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
>> The menu items in the new Libreoffice are truely horrible. Mostrous
>> icons and illegibile writing. It takes up a third of the screen
>> (2000x100 pixels). How do I get back the old menus-- single line of
>> words. Using Libreoffice surely the assumption should be that the user
>> can read, and does not want to look at a comic book while using it!
>> So, can I get back the traditional menus?

Probably a good idea:

Mageia 8 updated, Libreoffice libreoffice-base-7.4.3.2-1.mga8
Plasma desktop

Since 95 % of my email goes to people who have no intrest at all in my
computer equipment, having a .signature containing that would be not
very useful or polite. But including some relevant into into my post
would be both.
>
> I suggest you should create a signature file with basic information about
> your install/setup, for example:
> echo "-- " > ~/.signature
> cat /etc/release >> ~/.signature
> echo "Kernel: $(uname -r)" >> ~/.signature
> echo "Desktop: $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP" >> ~/.signature
>
> If you add the above to your .bash_profile or .bashrc file the
> ~/.signature file will always contain current information.
>
> then add
> set signature ".signature"
> to your slrn rc file.
>
> Then open slrn and post a test message to any test group to verify
> your basic system information is shown.
>
> That way subject matter experts may be able to provide better answers to
> their replies.

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 04:40:24 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
> On 2023-03-30, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 20:30:00 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
>>> The menu items in the new Libreoffice are truely horrible. Mostrous
>>> icons and illegibile writing. It takes up a third of the screen
>>> (2000x100 pixels). How do I get back the old menus-- single line of
>>> words. Using Libreoffice surely the assumption should be that the user
>>> can read, and does not want to look at a comic book while using it!
>>> So, can I get back the traditional menus?
>
> Probably a good idea:
>
> Mageia 8 updated, Libreoffice libreoffice-base-7.4.3.2-1.mga8
> Plasma desktop
>
>
> Since 95 % of my email goes to people who have no intrest at all in my
> computer equipment, having a .signature containing that would be not
> very useful or polite.

Sounds like a poor email client if if can not be configured to not
send/use a signature file.

Other option is to put sig fine in .slrn directory and tell slrn about it.

But including some relevant into into my post
> would be both.

Now that we have some basic info, I can say that I do not have the problem in
maga8 or mga9. Desktop is xfce.

I suggest creating a test account, say junk, logging into junk and
verify if problem still exists. IF not, it is a user account problem.
If problem exists, it it a system wide problem.

On 2023-03-30, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 04:40:24 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
>> On 2023-03-30, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 20:30:00 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
>>>> The menu items in the new Libreoffice are truely horrible. Mostrous
>>>> icons and illegibile writing. It takes up a third of the screen
>>>> (2000x100 pixels). How do I get back the old menus-- single line of
>>>> words. Using Libreoffice surely the assumption should be that the user
>>>> can read, and does not want to look at a comic book while using it!
>>>> So, can I get back the traditional menus?
>>
>> Probably a good idea:
>>
>> Mageia 8 updated, Libreoffice libreoffice-base-7.4.3.2-1.mga8
>> Plasma desktop
>>
>>
>> Since 95 % of my email goes to people who have no intrest at all in my
>> computer equipment, having a .signature containing that would be not
>> very useful or polite.
>
> Sounds like a poor email client if if can not be configured to not
> send/use a signature file.
>
> Other option is to put sig fine in .slrn directory and tell slrn about it.
>
> But including some relevant into into my post
>> would be both.
>
> Now that we have some basic info, I can say that I do not have the problem in
> maga8 or mga9. Desktop is xfce.
>
> I suggest creating a test account, say junk, logging into junk and
> verify if problem still exists. IF not, it is a user account problem.
> If problem exists, it it a system wide problem.
>

I reinstalled libreoffice -- erasing the .config/libreoffice directory
since I was having severe problems on that machine. Before when it had
worked ( about 8 months ago since I was out of town and this is a
desktop and would not have used libreoffice on it) I had no trouble.
I found yesterday some item in one of the Options items in one of the
menu items a not on icons, with one of the options being large, small or
none. After choosing none, the menus looked much better, but
occasionally I suddenly run across a menu that has horrible icons. It
seems libreoffice has many different "Options" submenu items. I have no
idea why anyone would make "large icons" the default (or have icons at
all). I suspect that if you get rid of the .config/libreoffice directory
( or rename it so you can recover it) , so
on next run libreoffice has to repopulate it with the default, you will
see the problem.

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 15:26:05 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:

> I reinstalled libreoffice

I never do that unless I am testing an install script.

I suggest having a pull_updates and install_updates script which uses "script" or "tee"
to have a log of the package installed and a test after urpmi to check for success.
If not dump the log to the terminal. I use xmessage for that.

> -- erasing the .config/libreoffice directory
> since I was having severe problems on that machine.

Thanks for the feedback. I never do upgrades, just clean installs so my .config
directories are pretty standard except for the Desktop Environment. I have
configuration scripts to set the xfce DM as desired using xdotool.

I gave up on plasma as my Desktop Environment (DE). Was seeing too many
problems on it and users having problems. I like xfce since I can configure
it with scripts and make it have the look, feel, and speed of the old kde DE.

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Bit Twister escreveu:
> On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 20:30:00 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
>> The menu items in the new Libreoffice are truely horrible.
>> Mostrous icons and illegibile writing. It takes up a third of the
>> screen (2000x100 pixels). How do I get back the old menus--
>> single line of words. Using Libreoffice surely the assumption
>> should be that the user can read, and does not want to look at a
>> comic book while using it! So, can I get back the traditional
>> menus?
>
> I suggest you should create a signature file with basic information
> about your install/setup, for example: echo "-- " > ~/.signature
> cat /etc/release >> ~/.signature echo "Kernel: $(uname -r)" >>
> ~/.signature echo "Desktop: $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP" >> ~/.signature
>
> If you add the above to your .bash_profile or .bashrc file the
> ~/.signature file will always contain current information.
>
> then add set signature ".signature" to your slrn rc file.
>
> Then open slrn and post a test message to any test group to verify
> your basic system information is shown.
>
> That way subject matter experts may be able to provide better
> answers to their replies.
>

Cool.

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Mageia release 9 (Cauldron) for x86_64
Kernel: 6.2.8-desktop-1.mga9
Desktop: KDE
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William Unruh escreveu:
> On 2023-03-30, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 20:30:00 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
>>> The menu items in the new Libreoffice are truely horrible.
>>> Mostrous icons and illegibile writing. It takes up a third of
>>> the screen (2000x100 pixels). How do I get back the old menus--
>>> single line of words. Using Libreoffice surely the assumption
>>> should be that the user can read, and does not want to look at
>>> a comic book while using it! So, can I get back the traditional
>>> menus?
>
> Probably a good idea:
>
> Mageia 8 updated, Libreoffice libreoffice-base-7.4.3.2-1.mga8
> Plasma desktop
>
>
> Since 95 % of my email goes to people who have no intrest at all in
> my computer equipment, having a .signature containing that would be
> not very useful or polite. But including some relevant into into my
> post would be both.

I use Seamonkey as a news reader. I configured only for the
eternal-septermber groups.

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William Unruh escreveu:
> The menu items in the new Libreoffice are truely horrible.
> Mostrous icons and illegibile writing. It takes up a third of the
> screen (2000x100 pixels). How do I get back the old menus-- single
> line of words. Using Libreoffice surely the assumption should be
> that the user can read, and does not want to look at a comic book
> while using it! So, can I get back the traditional menus?
>

I liked Staroffice but when he moved to OpenOffice/LibreOffice, it
got worse. You can try another program like https://www.freeoffice.com/e
n/

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Mageia release 9 (Cauldron) for x86_64
Kernel: 6.2.8-desktop-1.mga9
Desktop: KDE
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