The latest version is 0.150, but the newest installer for Windows is for
version 0.146. I guess the developers are expecting users to compile
the source code themselves.

On 9/20/2023 2:36 PM, Ralph Fox wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:01:12 -0600, james moffat wrote:
>
>> Would be nice to see a 64 bit version eventually.... but probably
>> never gonna happen.
>
>
> Pan is the open source community’s ‘clone’ of Agent. If you want
> 64-bits, you may want to try the 64-bit version of Pan for Windows.
>
> * Pan: <https://pan.rebelbase.com/>
> * Pan for Windows installer: <https://sites.google.com/site/paninstall/>
>
>

On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 12:45:58 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

> >> Would be nice to see a 64 bit version eventually.... but probably
> >> never gonna happen.
> >
> >
> >Pan is the open source community’s ‘clone’ of Agent. If you want
> >64-bits, you may want to try the 64-bit version of Pan for Windows.

> I had never heard of Pan before. You say ‘clone’ of Agent. Can you be
> more specific? How much like Agent is it? What are the differences? Is
> it better than Agent in some ways? Worse in others?

FWIW, here are Bard's, Bing's, and ChatGPT's responses to the
instruction "Compare and contrast the Forte Agent and Pan
newsreader+email clients."

https://bard.google.com/chat/620f627ee66a2e8c
https://bit.ly/3PLsD49

https://sl.bing.net/jtrIfvyEJE

https://chat.openai.com/share/ec973fc2-6cba-466a-952a-3dbf911e8115
https://bit.ly/3rjjrKZ

--
Bob
Who is slightly disconcerted that this is possible

--
Bob
The people your parents warned you about

On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 12:45:58 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 07:36:50 +1200, Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:01:12 -0600, james moffat wrote:
>>
>>> Would be nice to see a 64 bit version eventually.... but probably
>>> never gonna happen.
>>
>>
>>Pan is the open source community’s ‘clone’ of Agent. If you want
>>64-bits, you may want to try the 64-bit version of Pan for Windows.
>>
>>* Pan: <https://pan.rebelbase.com/>
>>* Pan for Windows installer: <https://sites.google.com/site/paninstall/>
>
>
>I had never heard of Pan before. You say ‘clone’ of Agent. Can you be
>more specific? How much like Agent is it? What are the differences? Is
>it better than Agent in some ways? Worse in others?
>
>I don't care about it's being 64-bit, but if there are advantages to
>it over Agent, I might want to try it. Do you recommend it?

The really big question is does it have getting only headers and
filters to mark for retrieval, etc.

On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 03:33:48 -0500, Capt Rick wrote:

> The really big question is does it have getting only headers

Yes.

> and filters to mark for retrieval,

Filtering is one area where Pan is different to Agent. Pan uses
scoring, where your filters contribute to an article's total score.

You can automatically flag an article as something you want to read
or save by giving it a high enough score, but AFAICS the actual
retrieval is done by you.

See "Scoring Actions" at <https://pan.rebelbase.com/manual/html/pan-scoring.html>

> etc.

--
Kind regards
Ralph Fox

𝐿𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑒𝑎𝑐ℎ 𝑑𝑎𝑦 𝑎𝑠 𝑖𝑓 𝑖𝑡 𝑤𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑙𝑎𝑠𝑡 - 𝑏𝑢𝑡 𝑝𝑎𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑏𝑖𝑙𝑙𝑠 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑖𝑛 𝑐𝑎𝑠𝑒 𝑖𝑡 𝑖𝑠𝑛'𝑡.

On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 12:45:58 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

> I had never heard of Pan before.

Just FYI Pan has been mentioned here in 6 other threads this decade.

> You say ‘clone’ of Agent. Can you be
> more specific? How much like Agent is it? What are the differences? Is
> it better than Agent in some ways? Worse in others?

That could turn into a looooong list. :-(
A brief summary instead...

* Pan is designed primarily for Linux and similar operating systems
running X-Windows (or Wayland, I guess). I run Pan on Linux. I
have not tried the Windows builds.

* Pan does multiple news servers like Agent, where a single newsgroup
can pull headers from multiple servers.

* Pan is not an email client, unlike Agent.

* Subscribing to newsgroups seems closer to Agent 1 and 2 than to
later versions of Agent. The list of newsgroups you can subscribe
to is in the folders pane, not in a separate newsgroup directory
window.

* Pan does binaries. I don't know whether it does Agent's MegaJoin.

* Pan does full Unicode out of the box.

* Filtering is one area where Pan is quite different to Agent.
Pan uses scoring, where your filters contribute to a post's total
score. Headers can be tagged with colours or even ignored/hidden
based on the total score (positive = good, negative = bad).

> I don't care about it's being 64-bit, but if there are advantages to
> it over Agent, I might want to try it. Do you recommend it?

If you run Linux, download Pan from your distro's repo and try it.

I have not tried the Windows builds, so I cannot give a recommendation
either way. In particular, I don't know whether a Windows build of Pan
feels like a native Windows program or not.

--
Kind regards
Ralph Fox

Soþ hit sylf acyþeð.

On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 19:38:57 -0500, Puffer Belly wrote:

> The latest version is 0.150, but the newest installer for Windows is for
> version 0.146. I guess the developers are expecting users to compile
> the source code themselves.

Pan is designed primarily for Linux and similar operating systems
running X-Windows. The normal way of getting a Pan build is to
download the Linux distro's build from your distro's repository.

The developers do not do Windows builds at all.
All Windows builds are done by third-party volunteers.

Consider yourself flamed.
I do not see you volunteering.

--
Kind regards
Ralph Fox

“𝑰𝒇 𝒚𝒐𝒖'𝒓𝒆 𝒏𝒐𝒕 𝒈𝒐𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒕𝒐 𝒅𝒐 𝒂𝒏𝒚𝒕𝒉𝒊𝒏𝒈
𝒂𝒃𝒐𝒖𝒕 𝒊𝒕 𝒔𝒕𝒐𝒑 𝒄𝒐𝒎𝒑𝒍𝒂𝒊𝒏𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒂𝒃𝒐𝒖𝒕 𝒊𝒕”

On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 22:54:09 +1200, Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid>
wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 12:45:58 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
>
>> I had never heard of Pan before.
>
>Just FYI Pan has been mentioned here in 6 other threads this decade.

If you say so I'll believe you, but I didn't remember it.

>
>> You say ‘clone’ of Agent. Can you be
>> more specific? How much like Agent is it? What are the differences? Is
>> it better than Agent in some ways? Worse in others?
>
>That could turn into a looooong list. :-(
>A brief summary instead...

That's fine. I didn't really want much more than that.

>
> * Pan is designed primarily for Linux and similar operating systems
> running X-Windows (or Wayland, I guess). I run Pan on Linux. I
> have not tried the Windows builds.
>
> * Pan does multiple news servers like Agent, where a single newsgroup
> can pull headers from multiple servers.
>
> * Pan is not an email client, unlike Agent.

OK. I don't use Agent for e-mail.

> * Subscribing to newsgroups seems closer to Agent 1 and 2 than to
> later versions of Agent. The list of newsgroups you can subscribe
> to is in the folders pane, not in a separate newsgroup directory
> window.
>
> * Pan does binaries. I don't know whether it does Agent's MegaJoin.

I don't do binaries.

> * Pan does full Unicode out of the box.
>
> * Filtering is one area where Pan is quite different to Agent.
> Pan uses scoring, where your filters contribute to a post's total
> score. Headers can be tagged with colours or even ignored/hidden
> based on the total score (positive = good, negative = bad).
>
>
>> I don't care about it's being 64-bit, but if there are advantages to
>> it over Agent, I might want to try it. Do you recommend it?
>
>If you run Linux, download Pan from your distro's repo and try it.
>
>I have not tried the Windows builds, so I cannot give a recommendation
>either way. In particular, I don't know whether a Windows build of Pan
>feels like a native Windows program or not.

OK, understood. I think I'll give it a try when I get the chance.
Thanks.

On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 06:48:28 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

>>I have not tried the Windows builds, so I cannot give a recommendation
>>either way. In particular, I don't know whether a Windows build of Pan
>>feels like a native Windows program or not.
>
>
>OK, understood. I think I'll give it a try when I get the chance.
>Thanks.

I tried it, but I was apparently unable to set up the server properly.
In Address, I put news.individual.net
In Port, I put 119
In Username, I put in my User-ID
In Password, I put in my password
In TLS (SSL) Settings, I chose Use Unsecure (Plaintext) Connections
(I also tried Use Secure SSL Connections).

It tries to connect, but says No connections.

Can you or someone else tell me what's wrong with what I've entered?
Or is there something else I need to do?

On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 08:15:32 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

> I tried it, but I was apparently unable to set up the server properly.
> In Address, I put news.individual.net In Port, I put 119 In Username, I
> put in my User-ID In Password, I put in my password In TLS (SSL)
> Settings, I chose Use Unsecure (Plaintext) Connections
> (I also tried Use Secure SSL Connections).
>
>
> It tries to connect, but says No connections.
>
> Can you or someone else tell me what's wrong with what I've entered? Or
> is there something else I need to do?

I cannot see why Pan is not working for you.

Pan connects here, as you can see by my headers. I am posting this with
Pan.
* Pan from my distro's repository.
* Linux Mint 21.2 Cinnamon 64-bit.
* Pan 0.149 "Bellevue".

A few things you might want to check:
1. The machine running Pan, is it connected to the Internet?
2. Can you ping news.individual.net from the _same_ machine?
3. Are you sure the build of Pan is compatible with the OS?
What OS and version, and where did you get Pan from?

--
Kind regards
Ralph Fox
📰🐧🆇

On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 06:50:50 GMT, Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@xn--kba.invalid>
wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 08:15:32 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
>
>> I tried it, but I was apparently unable to set up the server properly.
>> In Address, I put news.individual.net In Port, I put 119 In Username, I
>> put in my User-ID In Password, I put in my password In TLS (SSL)
>> Settings, I chose Use Unsecure (Plaintext) Connections
>> (I also tried Use Secure SSL Connections).
>>
>>
>> It tries to connect, but says No connections.
>>
>> Can you or someone else tell me what's wrong with what I've entered? Or
>> is there something else I need to do?
>
>I cannot see why Pan is not working for you.
>
>Pan connects here, as you can see by my headers. I am posting this with
>Pan.
> * Pan from my distro's repository.
> * Linux Mint 21.2 Cinnamon 64-bit.
> * Pan 0.149 "Bellevue".
>
>A few things you might want to check:
> 1. The machine running Pan, is it connected to the Internet?

Yes. It's the same machine I'm sending this message from.

> 2. Can you ping news.individual.net from the _same_ machine?

Yes. news.individual.net is what I'm using Agent on right now.

> 3. Are you sure the build of Pan is compatible with the OS?

Sure? No, but that's what the web site said

> What OS and version,

Later version of 64-bit Windows 11 Professional

>and where did you get Pan from?

I don't remember, but I'll try downloading it again and make a note of
it.

On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 07:19:40 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 06:50:50 GMT, Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@xn--kba.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 08:15:32 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
>>
>>> I tried it, but I was apparently unable to set up the server properly.
>>> In Address, I put news.individual.net In Port, I put 119 In Username, I
>>> put in my User-ID In Password, I put in my password In TLS (SSL)
>>> Settings, I chose Use Unsecure (Plaintext) Connections
>>> (I also tried Use Secure SSL Connections).
>>>
>>>
>>> It tries to connect, but says No connections.
>>>
>>> Can you or someone else tell me what's wrong with what I've entered? Or
>>> is there something else I need to do?
>>
>>I cannot see why Pan is not working for you.
>>
>>Pan connects here, as you can see by my headers. I am posting this with
>>Pan.
>> * Pan from my distro's repository.
>> * Linux Mint 21.2 Cinnamon 64-bit.
>> * Pan 0.149 "Bellevue".
>>
>>A few things you might want to check:
>> 1. The machine running Pan, is it connected to the Internet?
>
>Yes. It's the same machine I'm sending this message from.
>
>> 2. Can you ping news.individual.net from the _same_ machine?
>
>
>Yes. news.individual.net is what I'm using Agent on right now.
>
>> 3. Are you sure the build of Pan is compatible with the OS?
>
>Sure? No, but that's what the web site said
>
>
>> What OS and version,
>
>Later version of 64-bit Windows 11 Professional
>
>>and where did you get Pan from?
>
>I don't remember, but I'll try downloading it again and make a note of
>it.

I just uninstalled it, downloaded it from pan-0.146.306.msi and
reinstalled it. All seems well now; I can connect to the server.

But before I decide whether to use it instead of Agent, I have several
questions about how to use it the way I like a newsreader to be:

1. How can I display only unread messages?

2. When I'm displaying only unread messages, how can I temporarily
display all messages?

3. In the display message pane, I want the messages to be threaded,
but how can I display all messages in all the threads, without
clicking the + icon for each?

4. How can I customize the toolbar? I'd like to change the order of
the icons and I'd like to remove icons I never want to use.

5. On the right of the toolbar, there are six icons, all with
descriptions beginning with the word "match." What does "match" mean
here? Does it mean something like "display"? I tried clicking each of
those icons and now all the messages that used to be displayed are
gone.

6. On the right of the toolbar, there is an icon called "Wrap article
body." What does that mean? Article bodies seem to be wrapped whether
or not that is clicked.

7. How can I create filters/killfile entries?

Anything else I should know about Pan that's different from Agent?

On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 09:44:02 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

> I just uninstalled it, downloaded it from pan-0.146.306.msi and
> reinstalled it. All seems well now; I can connect to the server.
>
> But before I decide whether to use it instead of Agent, I have several
> questions about how to use it the way I like a newsreader to be:
>
> 1. How can I display only unread messages?

From the “View >> Header Pane” >> ... flyout menu.

> 2. When I'm displaying only unread messages, how can I temporarily
> display all messages?

From the “View >> Header Pane” >> ... flyout menu.

> 3. In the display message pane, I want the messages to be threaded,
> but how can I display all messages in all the threads, without
> clicking the + icon for each?

If you cannot find this in the Pan manual
<https://pan.rebelbase.com/manual/>
or the Pan FAQ
<https://pan.rebelbase.com/faq/>,
then you should join the “pan-users” mailing list and ask there.
<https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users>

> 4. How can I customize the toolbar? I'd like to change the order of
> the icons and I'd like to remove icons I never want to use.

See “pan-users” mailing list above.

> 5. On the right of the toolbar, there are six icons, all with
> descriptions beginning with the word "match." What does "match" mean
> here? Does it mean something like "display"? I tried clicking each of
> those icons and now all the messages that used to be displayed are
> gone.

Pan’s message list pane displays messages which “match” the conditions
you set, similar to how Agent’s message list pane displays messages
which “match” the condition(s) set in your Agent “view filter”.

> 6. On the right of the toolbar, there is an icon called "Wrap article
> body." What does that mean?

<https://pan.rebelbase.com/manual/html/pan-body.html>

> Article bodies seem to be wrapped whether
> or not that is clicked.

If a paragraph was wrapped by the poster, yes. If a paragraph was not wrapped by the poster, then it will make a difference. FYI unlike Agent’s “word-wrap”, Pan’s “wrap” wraps at a fixed width, not at the right side of the window whatever that happens to be.

> 7. How can I create filters/killfile entries?

<https://pan.rebelbase.com/manual/html/pan-scoring.html>

> Anything else I should know about Pan that's different from Agent?

That could turn into a looooong list. :-(

--
Kind regards
Ralph Fox
🦊

Ralph Fox wrote:

>>...
>> Anything else I should know about Pan that's different from Agent?

>That could turn into a looooong list. :-(

I found, that it is not only important, whether a program does what it
is supposed to do. Equally important is, how easy it can be told
to do what it should.

Lotus 1-2-3 was an excellent example of a well made program. It
came with a fine instruction book, but I needed to only look up 2
pages once - everything else was made like it should have been.

The VBA that came with Excel-5 was simlilar. Wonderful.

Just now I struggle with Libre Office Macros. Arrrrrgh.

I installed PAN once, and gave up. Maybe I'd have fought more,
hadn't I had Agent. This is my one and only tool for usenet. I'd
probably give up usenet, would I loose Agent.

Regards,
H.

On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 08:32:41 +1300, Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid>
wrote:

>On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 09:44:02 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
>
>> I just uninstalled it, downloaded it from pan-0.146.306.msi and
>> reinstalled it. All seems well now; I can connect to the server.
>>
>> But before I decide whether to use it instead of Agent, I have several
>> questions about how to use it the way I like a newsreader to be:
>>
>> 1. How can I display only unread messages?
>
>From the “View >> Header Pane” >> ... flyout menu.

Thanks very much, for this and your other answers below--especially
for pointing me to the user manual and FAQ, which I didn't know how to
find or even existed.

>> 2. When I'm displaying only unread messages, how can I temporarily
>> display all messages?
>
>From the “View >> Header Pane” >> ... flyout menu.
>
>
>> 3. In the display message pane, I want the messages to be threaded,
>> but how can I display all messages in all the threads, without
>> clicking the + icon for each?
>
>If you cannot find this in the Pan manual
> <https://pan.rebelbase.com/manual/>
>or the Pan FAQ
> <https://pan.rebelbase.com/faq/>,
>then you should join the “pan-users” mailing list and ask there.
> <https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users>
>
>
>> 4. How can I customize the toolbar? I'd like to change the order of
>> the icons and I'd like to remove icons I never want to use.
>
>See “pan-users” mailing list above.
>
>
>> 5. On the right of the toolbar, there are six icons, all with
>> descriptions beginning with the word "match." What does "match" mean
>> here? Does it mean something like "display"? I tried clicking each of
>> those icons and now all the messages that used to be displayed are
>> gone.
>
>Pan’s message list pane displays messages which “match” the conditions
>you set, similar to how Agent’s message list pane displays messages
>which “match” the condition(s) set in your Agent “view filter”.
>
>
>> 6. On the right of the toolbar, there is an icon called "Wrap article
>> body." What does that mean?
>
><https://pan.rebelbase.com/manual/html/pan-body.html>
>
>> Article bodies seem to be wrapped whether
>> or not that is clicked.
>
>If a paragraph was wrapped by the poster, yes. If a paragraph was not wrapped by the poster, then it will make a difference. FYI unlike Agent’s “word-wrap”, Pan’s “wrap” wraps at a fixed width, not at the right side of the window whatever that happens to be.
>
>
>> 7. How can I create filters/killfile entries?
>
><https://pan.rebelbase.com/manual/html/pan-scoring.html>
>
>
>> Anything else I should know about Pan that's different from Agent?
>
>That could turn into a looooong list. :-(

On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 06:57:54 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 08:32:41 +1300, Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 09:44:02 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
>>
>>> I just uninstalled it, downloaded it from pan-0.146.306.msi and
>>> reinstalled it. All seems well now; I can connect to the server.
>>>
>>> But before I decide whether to use it instead of Agent, I have several
>>> questions about how to use it the way I like a newsreader to be:
>>>
>>> 1. How can I display only unread messages?
>>
>>From the “View >> Header Pane” >> ... flyout menu.
>
>
> Thanks very much, for this and your other answers below--especially for
> pointing me to the user manual and FAQ, which I didn't know how to find
> or even existed.

OK, with a combination of the online manual and my own experimentatoion,
I've found the answers to most of my questions. But I still haven't found
out how, or even whether it's possible, to customize the toolbar--not even
in the “pan-users” mailing list. I would like to add icons, remove icons,
and resequence the icons. Cam you tell me how to do this?

I generally like Pan; I'm sending this message with it now. But I still
haven't decided to use it instead of Agent. Can you tell me why you choose
to use Pan rather than Agent?

On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 15:20:56 +0000, Ken Blake wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 06:57:54 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 08:32:41 +1300, Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 09:44:02 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just uninstalled it, downloaded it from pan-0.146.306.msi and
>>>> reinstalled it. All seems well now; I can connect to the server.
>>>>
>>>> But before I decide whether to use it instead of Agent, I have
>>>> several questions about how to use it the way I like a newsreader to
>>>> be:
>>>>
>>>> 1. How can I display only unread messages?
>>>
>>>From the “View >> Header Pane” >> ... flyout menu.
>>
>>
>> Thanks very much, for this and your other answers below--especially for
>> pointing me to the user manual and FAQ, which I didn't know how to find
>> or even existed.
>
>
> OK, with a combination of the online manual and my own experimentatoion,
> I've found the answers to most of my questions. But I still haven't
> found out how, or even whether it's possible, to customize the
> toolbar--not even in the “pan-users” mailing list. I would like to add
> icons, remove icons,
> and resequence the icons. Cam you tell me how to do this?
>
> I generally like Pan; I'm sending this message with it now. But I still
> haven't decided to use it instead of Agent. Can you tell me why you
> choose to use Pan rather than Agent?

And one other question--how can I have messages I write automatically
spell -checked?

On 24 Sep 2023 15:20:56 GMT, Ken Blake wrote:

> OK, with a combination of the online manual and my own experimentatoion,
> I've found the answers to most of my questions. But I still haven't found
> out how, or even whether it's possible, to customize the toolbar--not even
> in the “pan-users” mailing list.

I have not yet seen any question from Ken Blake in the “pan-users”
mailing list. (The last post from anyone which I see in the mailing
list was 7 days ago.)

And even if you had done all of these things: (i) subscribed to the
“pan-users” mailing list, then (ii) completed the confirmation, and
then (iii) posted your question to the mailing list [all of this in
the last 24 hours], you would still need to allow more time for other
people to reply to your post in the mailing list.

> I would like to add icons, remove icons,
> and resequence the icons. Cam you tell me how to do this?
>
> I generally like Pan; I'm sending this message with it now. But I still
> haven't decided to use it instead of Agent. Can you tell me why you choose
> to use Pan rather than Agent?

I said no such thing.

--
Kind regards
Ralph Fox

Ne læt ðin ellen nu gyt gedreosan to dæge.

On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 10:02:46 +1300, Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid>
wrote:

>On 24 Sep 2023 15:20:56 GMT, Ken Blake wrote:
>
>> OK, with a combination of the online manual and my own experimentatoion,
>> I've found the answers to most of my questions. But I still haven't found
>> out how, or even whether it's possible, to customize the toolbar--not even
>> in the “pan-users” mailing list.
>
>I have not yet seen any question from Ken Blake in the “pan-users”
>mailing list. (The last post from anyone which I see in the mailing
>list was 7 days ago.)

No, I didn't ask there. I just searched for the info.

>>And even if you had done all of these things: (i) subscribed to the
>“pan-users” mailing list, then (ii) completed the confirmation, and
>then (iii) posted your question to the mailing list [all of this in
>the last 24 hours], you would still need to allow more time for other
>people to reply to your post in the mailing list.
>
>
>> I would like to add icons, remove icons,
>> and resequence the icons. Cam you tell me how to do this?
>>
>> I generally like Pan; I'm sending this message with it now. But I still
>> haven't decided to use it instead of Agent. Can you tell me why you choose
>> to use Pan rather than Agent?
>
>I said no such thing.

Then my apologies. I mistakenly assumed that your talking about Pan
meant that you preferred it to Agent.

In alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent, on Wed, 13 Sep 2023 15:55:33
+0000, Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 08:37:15 +1200, in
><0ki1gih9th30djihjbcl0pgt1hlke30a16@4ax.com>, Ralph Fox
><-rf-nz-@-.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 21:13:58 +0100, p3dpcaxv@anonaddy.me wrote:
>>
>>> I'm almost inclined
>>> to spring for the extra ten bucks and buy a new licence, but I'm now
>>> feeling very leery of entering credit card details for a company that
>>> appears to be deceased.
>>
>>I entered (actually upated) my credit card details in
>>Agent Usenet (APN) last time I got a new credit card.
>>My APN subscription continued on the new credit card
>>and no other funny transactions appeared.
>
>I think it's fairly safe to assume that Forté is being handled
>separately from APN... and based on experience so far, being handled
>so separately that attempts to purchase Agent aren't being handled at
>all. Past tales here involving trying to purchase Agent and failing
>remain unresolved.
>
>That said, as long as my copy works I'm sticking with it.

I didnt' buy another license but fwliw, I re-downloaded vers 4, 5, 6,
and downloaded 7.1 in the last week, and I upgraded from 1.93 to 4 and
in the other computer to 5 using the password I bought 20 years ago for
6.

And everything was fine. Someone posted in this thread a password for
version 7.2, i think it is. Normally that's bad but if the company is
inert, that's a different story.

I think they all went home for Covid and didn't come back.

On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 23:42:31 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:

>I think they all went home for Covid and didn't come back.

Someone posted on here a while back that the registered office address
is a surburban house when the looked at it on Google Street View
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 23:42:31 -0400, micky wrote:

> And everything was fine. Someone posted in this thread a password for
> version 7.2, i think it is. Normally that's bad but if the company is
> inert, that's a different story.

Is it?

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