I'm using Agent 6.0. Sometimes I mark a newsgroup message unread
after I've read it, since I normally only view unread messages. But
then if I later return to the newsgroup, I often accidentally click on
it and it becomes read again and I have to re-mark it unread.

I don't think there's any way to mark a message as permanently read
(permanent until I click on something else for it), but if someone
knows a way, I'd like hear about it.

On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 08:05:06 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

>I'm using Agent 6.0. Sometimes I mark a newsgroup message unread
>after I've read it, since I normally only view unread messages. But
>then if I later return to the newsgroup, I often accidentally click on
>it and it becomes read again and I have to re-mark it unread.
>
>I don't think there's any way to mark a message as permanently read
>(permanent until I click on something else for it), but if someone
>knows a way, I'd like hear about it.

A somewhat related question: I also don't think there's a way to mark
all the messages in a thread as unread, but if someone knows a way,
I'd like hear about it.

On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 08:27:13 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 08:05:06 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I'm using Agent 6.0. Sometimes I mark a newsgroup message unread
> >after I've read it, since I normally only view unread messages. But
> >then if I later return to the newsgroup, I often accidentally click on
> >it and it becomes read again and I have to re-mark it unread.
> >
> >I don't think there's any way to mark a message as permanently read
> >(permanent until I click on something else for it), but if someone
> >knows a way, I'd like hear about it.
>

Would marking it Keep help, "k"

>
> A somewhat related question: I also don't think there's a way to mark
> all the messages in a thread as unread, but if someone knows a way,
> I'd like hear about it.

Select a messagein the folder, Ctr-a, x or maybe Ctr-a, x, x
Which depends on read/unread state of messages

--
Regards

John

On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 08:05:06 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

> I'm using Agent 6.0. Sometimes I mark a newsgroup message unread
> after I've read it, since I normally only view unread messages. But
> then if I later return to the newsgroup, I often accidentally click on
> it and it becomes read again and I have to re-mark it unread.
>
> I don't think there's any way to mark a message as permanently read
> (permanent until I click on something else for it), but if someone
> knows a way, I'd like hear about it.

No, but there is another way to keep those messages in your view.

1. Mark the message as 'Kept'.
2. Use a view of 'unread or kept', instead of only viewing 'unread'
messages.
3. You will probably need to add the 'unread or kept' view to Agent's
list of views. Do that like in this screen-shot:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=25_tduflh_agent-view--unread-or-kept.png>

--
Kind regards
Ralph

ζητεῖτε καὶ εὑρήσετε

On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 08:27:13 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

> A somewhat related question: I also don't think there's a way to mark
> all the messages in a thread as unread, but if someone knows a way,
> I'd like hear about it.

When the thread is collapsed, the 'x' key will toggle the entire
thread to 'read' or 'unread'. If pressing 'x' once makes the
entire thread 'read', press 'x' again to make the thread 'unread'.

--
Kind regards
Ralph

𝔒𝔫𝔠𝔢 𝔢𝔞𝔠𝔥 𝔶𝔢𝔞𝔯, 𝔄𝔪𝔢𝔯𝔦𝔠𝔞𝔫 𝔠𝔥𝔦𝔩𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔫 𝔤𝔬 𝔦𝔫 𝔡𝔦𝔰𝔤𝔲𝔦𝔰𝔢 𝔱𝔬 𝔰𝔱𝔯𝔞𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯'𝔰 𝔥𝔬𝔲𝔰𝔢𝔰
𝔴𝔥𝔢𝔯𝔢 𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔶 𝔞𝔯𝔢 𝔤𝔦𝔳𝔢𝔫 3,7-𝔡𝔦𝔪𝔢𝔱𝔥𝔶𝔩𝔵𝔞𝔫𝔱𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔢.

On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 06:41:43 +1300, Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid>
wrote:

>On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 08:05:06 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
>
>> I'm using Agent 6.0. Sometimes I mark a newsgroup message unread
>> after I've read it, since I normally only view unread messages. But
>> then if I later return to the newsgroup, I often accidentally click on
>> it and it becomes read again and I have to re-mark it unread.
>>
>> I don't think there's any way to mark a message as permanently read
>> (permanent until I click on something else for it), but if someone
>> knows a way, I'd like hear about it.
>
>
>No, but there is another way to keep those messages in your view.
>
> 1. Mark the message as 'Kept'.
> 2. Use a view of 'unread or kept', instead of only viewing 'unread'
> messages.
> 3. You will probably need to add the 'unread or kept' view to Agent's
> list of views. Do that like in this screen-shot:
> <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=25_tduflh_agent-view--unread-or-kept.png>

OK, I created a view called Unread or Kept and I checked the Unread
and Kept boxes in Manage Views for that view. I've set all the
messages in this thread to kept, but if I switch to that view, it
shows no messages. What am I doing wrong?

Also, assuming that I can get past the above problem with your help,
how do I then put an Icon for Unread or Kept on the toolbar?

On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 12:53:35 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 06:41:43 +1300, Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 08:05:06 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
>>
>>> I'm using Agent 6.0. Sometimes I mark a newsgroup message unread
>>> after I've read it, since I normally only view unread messages. But
>>> then if I later return to the newsgroup, I often accidentally click on
>>> it and it becomes read again and I have to re-mark it unread.
>>>
>>> I don't think there's any way to mark a message as permanently read
>>> (permanent until I click on something else for it), but if someone
>>> knows a way, I'd like hear about it.
>>
>>
>>No, but there is another way to keep those messages in your view.
>>
>> 1. Mark the message as 'Kept'.
>> 2. Use a view of 'unread or kept', instead of only viewing 'unread'
>> messages.
>> 3. You will probably need to add the 'unread or kept' view to Agent's
>> list of views. Do that like in this screen-shot:
>> <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=25_tduflh_agent-view--unread-or-kept.png>
>
>
>
>OK, I created a view called Unread or Kept and I checked the Unread
>and Kept boxes in Manage Views for that view. I've set all the
>messages in this thread to kept, but if I switch to that view, it
>shows no messages. What am I doing wrong?

In Manage Views, I just went to Advanced View and changed the Boolean
expression to what's shown on the web page. It now works. Thanks very
much.

>Also, assuming that I can get past the above problem with your help,

OK, I did.

>how do I then put an Icon for Unread or Kept on the toolbar?

Can you tell me how to do that?

On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 12:56:23 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 12:53:35 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 06:41:43 +1300, Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 08:05:06 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm using Agent 6.0. Sometimes I mark a newsgroup message unread
>>>> after I've read it, since I normally only view unread messages. But
>>>> then if I later return to the newsgroup, I often accidentally click on
>>>> it and it becomes read again and I have to re-mark it unread.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think there's any way to mark a message as permanently read
>>>> (permanent until I click on something else for it), but if someone
>>>> knows a way, I'd like hear about it.
>>>
>>>
>>>No, but there is another way to keep those messages in your view.
>>>
>>> 1. Mark the message as 'Kept'.
>>> 2. Use a view of 'unread or kept', instead of only viewing 'unread'
>>> messages.
>>> 3. You will probably need to add the 'unread or kept' view to Agent's
>>> list of views. Do that like in this screen-shot:
>>> <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=25_tduflh_agent-view--unread-or-kept.png>
>>
>>
>>
>>OK, I created a view called Unread or Kept and I checked the Unread
>>and Kept boxes in Manage Views for that view. I've set all the
>>messages in this thread to kept, but if I switch to that view, it
>>shows no messages. What am I doing wrong?
>
>In Manage Views, I just went to Advanced View and changed the Boolean
>expression to what's shown on the web page. It now works. Thanks very
>much.
>
>
>>Also, assuming that I can get past the above problem with your help,
>
>OK, I did.
>
>
>>how do I then put an Icon for Unread or Kept on the toolbar?
>
>Can you tell me how to do that?

Never mind. I found it in Options.

But now two more questions:

1. The icon is identified with the numeral 5. Can I change it to
something else.

2. New messages are now coming in with just headers but without
bodies. Can I change it to their always coming in with bodies, which
is the way it used to work?

On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 13:08:42 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

> But now two more questions:
>
> 1. The icon is identified with the numeral 5. Can I change it to
> something else.

Use a resource editor, for example 'Resource Hacker', to edit the
agent.exe file and replace the bitmap resource named "CM_MSGVIEW5"
with another 18×18 bitmap of your choosing.

> 2. New messages are now coming in with just headers but without
> bodies. Can I change it to their always coming in with bodies, which
> is the way it used to work?

Creating a new "View" will not change this.

If new messages were automatically retrieved *with* bodies before, then
you would have been using one of these:

A) Either, a check-mark in the setting
[ ] Retrieve bodies for all new messages
in one of these three places:

i. Folder >> Default Properties >> Receiving Messages >> Usenet Messages
ii. (select folder) >> Folder >> Properties >> Receiving Messages >> Usenet Messages
iii. Folder >> Property Schemes >> (select scheme) >> Receiving Messages >> Usenet Messages

B) Or, you have a Usenet filter with a 'Watch action' of "Retrieve body immediately".
This will only retrieve bodies for messages which match the filter and do not
match a higher-priority filter.

--
Kind regards
Ralph

Betere is eyesor þen al blynd, quoþ Hendyng.

On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 08:05:06 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

>I'm using Agent 6.0. Sometimes I mark a newsgroup message unread
>after I've read it, since I normally only view unread messages. But
>then if I later return to the newsgroup, I often accidentally click on
>it and it becomes read again and I have to re-mark it unread.
>
>I don't think there's any way to mark a message as permanently read
>(permanent until I click on something else for it), but if someone
>knows a way, I'd like hear about it.

The easiest way is to select all (control-A) then X to flip everything
from unread to read or vice versa

Is that what you mean?

Mark it K for keep. it will still be marked as read ie black vs red
color but won't vanish. Is that what you are looking for?
you may have to change your view to show kept and unread.
Me

On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 21:47:12 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

>On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 08:05:06 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I'm using Agent 6.0. Sometimes I mark a newsgroup message unread
>>after I've read it, since I normally only view unread messages. But
>>then if I later return to the newsgroup, I often accidentally click on
>>it and it becomes read again and I have to re-mark it unread.
>>
>>I don't think there's any way to mark a message as permanently read
>>(permanent until I click on something else for it), but if someone
>>knows a way, I'd like hear about it.
>
>The easiest way is to select all (control-A) then X to flip everything
>from unread to read or vice versa
>
>Is that what you mean?