https://www.fidonet.org/
- telnet://gallaxial.com BBS
irc://gallaxial.com IRC With Service
http://gallaxial.com:33333 Old Fashon torrent Tracker
ftp://gallaxial.com FTP server fidonet files +++
http://gallaxial.com:88 Web-FTP
-

On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, floffy@gallaxial.com wrote:

> https://www.fidonet.org/
> -
> telnet://gallaxial.com BBS
> irc://gallaxial.com IRC With Service
> http://gallaxial.com:33333 Old Fashon torrent Tracker
> ftp://gallaxial.com FTP server fidonet files +++
> http://gallaxial.com:88 Web-FTP
> -
>

Sorry, could you elaborate?

D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 09:14 this Wednesday (GMT):
>
>
> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, floffy@gallaxial.com wrote:
>
>> https://www.fidonet.org/
>> -
>> telnet://gallaxial.com BBS
>> irc://gallaxial.com IRC With Service
>> http://gallaxial.com:33333 Old Fashon torrent Tracker
>> ftp://gallaxial.com FTP server fidonet files +++
>> http://gallaxial.com:88 Web-FTP
>> -
>>
>
> Sorry, could you elaborate?

I think they're pointing out how fidonet has a usenet gateway?
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

On 27/03/2024 15:50 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 09:14 this Wednesday (GMT):
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, floffy@gallaxial.com wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.fidonet.org/
>>> -
>>> telnet://gallaxial.com BBS
>>> irc://gallaxial.com IRC With Service
>>> http://gallaxial.com:33333 Old Fashon torrent Tracker
>>> ftp://gallaxial.com FTP server fidonet files +++
>>> http://gallaxial.com:88 Web-FTP
>>> -
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, could you elaborate?
>
>
> I think they're pointing out how fidonet has a usenet gateway?
> --
> user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

How does that work? I see a couple of "fidonet" Usenet groups (mostly Russian) but nothing much else.

The Running Man <runningman@writeable.com> wrote:
> On 27/03/2024 15:50 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>> D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 09:14 this Wednesday (GMT):
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, floffy@gallaxial.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.fidonet.org/
>>>> -
>>>> telnet://gallaxial.com BBS
>>>> irc://gallaxial.com IRC With Service
>>>> http://gallaxial.com:33333 Old Fashon torrent Tracker
>>>> ftp://gallaxial.com FTP server fidonet files +++
>>>> http://gallaxial.com:88 Web-FTP
>>>> -
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, could you elaborate?
>>
>>
>> I think they're pointing out how fidonet has a usenet gateway?
>> --
>> user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom
>
> How does that work? I see a couple of "fidonet" Usenet groups (mostly Russian) but nothing much else.
>

Smells like fake newz...

The Running Man <runningman@writeable.com> wrote at 15:39 this Wednesday (GMT):
> On 27/03/2024 15:50 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>> D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 09:14 this Wednesday (GMT):
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, floffy@gallaxial.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.fidonet.org/
>>>> -
>>>> telnet://gallaxial.com BBS
>>>> irc://gallaxial.com IRC With Service
>>>> http://gallaxial.com:33333 Old Fashon torrent Tracker
>>>> ftp://gallaxial.com FTP server fidonet files +++
>>>> http://gallaxial.com:88 Web-FTP
>>>> -
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, could you elaborate?
>>
>>
>> I think they're pointing out how fidonet has a usenet gateway?
>> --
>> user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom
>
> How does that work? I see a couple of "fidonet" Usenet groups (mostly Russian) but nothing much else.

By reading existing newsgroups.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, candycanearter07 wrote:

> D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 09:14 this Wednesday (GMT):
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, floffy@gallaxial.com wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.fidonet.org/
>>> -
>>> telnet://gallaxial.com BBS
>>> irc://gallaxial.com IRC With Service
>>> http://gallaxial.com:33333 Old Fashon torrent Tracker
>>> ftp://gallaxial.com FTP server fidonet files +++
>>> http://gallaxial.com:88 Web-FTP
>>> -
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, could you elaborate?
>
>
> I think they're pointing out how fidonet has a usenet gateway?
>
Ahhh got it. Thank you for explaining. =)

On 27.03.2024 um 15:39 Uhr The Running Man wrote:

> On 27/03/2024 15:50 candycanearter07
> <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> > D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 09:14 this Wednesday (GMT):
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, floffy@gallaxial.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> https://www.fidonet.org/
> >>> -
> >>> telnet://gallaxial.com BBS
> >>> irc://gallaxial.com IRC With Service
> >>> http://gallaxial.com:33333 Old Fashon torrent Tracker
> >>> ftp://gallaxial.com FTP server fidonet files +++
> >>> http://gallaxial.com:88 Web-FTP
> >>> -
> >>>
> >>
> >> Sorry, could you elaborate?
> >
> >
> > I think they're pointing out how fidonet has a usenet gateway?
> > --
> > user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom
>
> How does that work? I see a couple of "fidonet" Usenet groups (mostly
> Russian) but nothing much else.

fido7 is the 7 country code hierarchy, that includes Russia.
fido.ger is German.
fido.belg also exists on E-S.

--
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Marco

Send spam to 1711550386muell@cartoonies.org

On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 10:14:05 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

>
>
>On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, floffy@gallaxial.com wrote:
>
>> https://www.fidonet.org/
>> -
>> telnet://gallaxial.com BBS
>> irc://gallaxial.com IRC With Service
>> http://gallaxial.com:33333 Old Fashon torrent Tracker
>> ftp://gallaxial.com FTP server fidonet files +++
>> http://gallaxial.com:88 Web-FTP
>> -
>>
>
>Sorry, could you elaborate?

info:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FidoNet
https://handwiki.org/wiki/FidoNet
https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/163381.163383

https://www.fidonet.org/genlinfo.html

-
telnet://gallaxial.com BBS
irc://gallaxial.com IRC With Service
http://gallaxial.com:33333 Old Fashon torrent Tracker
ftp://gallaxial.com FTP server fidonet files +++
http://gallaxial.com:88 Web-FTP
-

On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, floffy@gallaxial.com wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 10:14:05 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, floffy@gallaxial.com wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.fidonet.org/
>>> -
>>> telnet://gallaxial.com BBS
>>> irc://gallaxial.com IRC With Service
>>> http://gallaxial.com:33333 Old Fashon torrent Tracker
>>> ftp://gallaxial.com FTP server fidonet files +++
>>> http://gallaxial.com:88 Web-FTP
>>> -
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, could you elaborate?
>
>
>
> info:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FidoNet
> https://handwiki.org/wiki/FidoNet
> https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/163381.163383
>
> https://www.fidonet.org/genlinfo.html
>
>
> -
> telnet://gallaxial.com BBS
> irc://gallaxial.com IRC With Service
> http://gallaxial.com:33333 Old Fashon torrent Tracker
> ftp://gallaxial.com FTP server fidonet files +++
> http://gallaxial.com:88 Web-FTP
> -
>

I know what Fidonet is, and I even ran my own BBS connected to it in the
90s.

I thought it was something more than just a message asserting that it
exists.

D wrote:

> I know what Fidonet is, and I even ran my own BBS connected to it in the
> 90s.
>
> I thought it was something more than just a message asserting that it
> exists.

FidoNet is a bit further down the road to complete disappearance than
Usenet. On the other hand, neither will ever go away completely.

On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Steve Bonine wrote:

> D wrote:
>
>> I know what Fidonet is, and I even ran my own BBS connected to it in the
>> 90s.
>>
>> I thought it was something more than just a message asserting that it
>> exists.
>
> FidoNet is a bit further down the road to complete disappearance than Usenet.
> On the other hand, neither will ever go away completely.
>

It is an interesting design, and I often wonder if news travels more
freely in and out of russia and china through fidonet? I imagine that the
dictators there and their technical minions are perhaps not monitoring the
phone systems. Granted, I would expect that all fidonet news travels over
the internet today, but imagine the irony if someone with a modem manages
to freely ship stuff in/out of those countries! =)

In terms of governance, am I right in assuming fido is way more complex
than usenet?

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Steve Bonine wrote:
>
> > D wrote:
> >
> >> I know what Fidonet is, and I even ran my own BBS connected to it in the
> >> 90s.
> >>
> >> I thought it was something more than just a message asserting that it
> >> exists.
> >
> > FidoNet is a bit further down the road to complete disappearance than Usenet.
> > On the other hand, neither will ever go away completely.
> >
>
> It is an interesting design, and I often wonder if news travels more
> freely in and out of russia and china through fidonet? I imagine that the
> dictators there and their technical minions are perhaps not monitoring the
> phone systems. Granted, I would expect that all fidonet news travels over
> the internet today, but imagine the irony if someone with a modem manages
> to freely ship stuff in/out of those countries! =)
>
> In terms of governance, am I right in assuming fido is way more complex
> than usenet?

I don't know a thing about Fidonet, but if you're implying that
NetNews can not use (POTS) modems (while Fidonet can), I think that -
for example - INN can still use UUCP connections over (POTS) modems.

On 3/28/24 12:49, D wrote:
> It is an interesting design, and I often wonder if news travels more
> freely in and out of russia and china through fidonet? I imagine that
> the dictators there and their technical minions are perhaps not
> monitoring the phone systems. Granted, I would expect that all fidonet
> news travels over the internet today, but imagine the irony if someone
> with a modem manages to freely ship stuff in/out of those countries! =)

I naively suspect that dictator regimes are more concerned with the
volume of information flow / number of people that interface with it.
With that in mind, I suspect that both FidoNet, Usenet, and other
networks are probably a pittance compared to more mainstream media.

You can't ever truly shut everything off. You can only slow the flow
significantly.

> In terms of governance, am I right in assuming fido is way more complex
> than usenet?

I don't know what sort of governance various area / regional / national
coordinators have over FidoNet any more.

If memory serves, it was possible to add points without contacting any
coordinator as they were subtended off of a node.

I think nodes required minimal coordination with the area coordinator
mostly so that they could update the list.

I don't know what is technically required to function vs what should be
done by accepted convention.

--
Grant. . . .

On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 12:30:57 -0500
Steve Bonine <spb@pobox.com> wrote:

> D wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> FidoNet is a bit further down the road to complete disappearance than
> Usenet. On the other hand, neither will ever go away completely.

I did use it a little bit a few years ago when I tried some BBS's again, but there is very little activity.

DoveNet and FSXNet see daily activity. I had always wondered what
FidoNet actually was as a teenager with a modem, but I figured it was
for adults with money and credit cards so never really looked into it
in the 90s.

On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Grant Taylor wrote:

> On 3/28/24 12:49, D wrote:
>> It is an interesting design, and I often wonder if news travels more freely
>> in and out of russia and china through fidonet? I imagine that the
>> dictators there and their technical minions are perhaps not monitoring the
>> phone systems. Granted, I would expect that all fidonet news travels over
>> the internet today, but imagine the irony if someone with a modem manages
>> to freely ship stuff in/out of those countries! =)
>
> I naively suspect that dictator regimes are more concerned with the volume of
> information flow / number of people that interface with it. With that in
> mind, I suspect that both FidoNet, Usenet, and other networks are probably a
> pittance compared to more mainstream media.
>
> You can't ever truly shut everything off. You can only slow the flow
> significantly.

True. I've heard that there is a black market in china for unfiltered
internet connections. Don't know if it is true and how big it is, but
given human nature I would definitely not be surprised if it was true.

>> In terms of governance, am I right in assuming fido is way more complex
>> than usenet?
>
> I don't know what sort of governance various area / regional / national
> coordinators have over FidoNet any more.
>
> If memory serves, it was possible to add points without contacting any
> coordinator as they were subtended off of a node.
>
> I think nodes required minimal coordination with the area coordinator mostly
> so that they could update the list.
>
> I don't know what is technically required to function vs what should be done
> by accepted convention.

My memory is very shaky, since we're walking at least 25 years ago, but I
think there were several levels of governance, so you had to register at
the one closest to you, and they then had to reach out to the level above
them and so on.

In terms of usenet, isn't it just that I need to find one peer, and "off I
go"?

On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, Borax Man wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 12:30:57 -0500
> Steve Bonine <spb@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> D wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> FidoNet is a bit further down the road to complete disappearance than
>> Usenet. On the other hand, neither will ever go away completely.
>
> I did use it a little bit a few years ago when I tried some BBS's again, but there is very little activity.
>
> DoveNet and FSXNet see daily activity. I had always wondered what
> FidoNet actually was as a teenager with a modem, but I figured it was
> for adults with money and credit cards so never really looked into it
> in the 90s.

Interesting! Never heard of DoveNet and FSXNet. Could you provide me with
some links?

On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 11:25:28 +0100, D wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, Borax Man wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 12:30:57 -0500
>> Steve Bonine <spb@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> D wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> FidoNet is a bit further down the road to complete disappearance than
>>> Usenet. On the other hand, neither will ever go away completely.
>>
>> I did use it a little bit a few years ago when I tried some BBS's again, but there is very little activity.
>>
>> DoveNet and FSXNet see daily activity. I had always wondered what
>> FidoNet actually was as a teenager with a modem, but I figured it was
>> for adults with money and credit cards so never really looked into it
>> in the 90s.
>
> Interesting! Never heard of DoveNet and FSXNet. Could you provide me with
> some links?

Dovenet:
http://wiki.synchro.net/network:dove-net

View some Dovenet groups:
https://www.rocksolidbbs.com/dovenet/

FSXNet:
https://fsxnet.nz/

On 3/29/24 05:24, D wrote:
> True. I've heard that there is a black market in china for unfiltered
> internet connections. Don't know if it is true and how big it is, but
> given human nature I would definitely not be surprised if it was true.

This doesn't surprise me.

> My memory is very shaky, since we're walking at least 25 years ago, but
> I think there were several levels of governance, so you had to register
> at the one closest to you, and they then had to reach out to the level
> above them and so on.

ACK

> In terms of usenet, isn't it just that I need to find one peer, and "off
> I go"?

Largely, yes.

Other servers can filter posts from your server(s). But that's the case
independent of the number of peers you have.

--
Grant. . . .

On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, Retro Guy wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 11:25:28 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, Borax Man wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 12:30:57 -0500
>>> Steve Bonine <spb@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> D wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> FidoNet is a bit further down the road to complete disappearance than
>>>> Usenet. On the other hand, neither will ever go away completely.
>>>
>>> I did use it a little bit a few years ago when I tried some BBS's again, but there is very little activity.
>>>
>>> DoveNet and FSXNet see daily activity. I had always wondered what
>>> FidoNet actually was as a teenager with a modem, but I figured it was
>>> for adults with money and credit cards so never really looked into it
>>> in the 90s.
>>
>> Interesting! Never heard of DoveNet and FSXNet. Could you provide me with
>> some links?
>
> Dovenet:
> http://wiki.synchro.net/network:dove-net
>
> View some Dovenet groups:
> https://www.rocksolidbbs.com/dovenet/
>
> FSXNet:
> https://fsxnet.nz/
>

Great! Thank you very much.

On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, Grant Taylor wrote:

> On 3/29/24 05:24, D wrote:
>> True. I've heard that there is a black market in china for unfiltered
>> internet connections. Don't know if it is true and how big it is, but given
>> human nature I would definitely not be surprised if it was true.
>
> This doesn't surprise me.
>
>> My memory is very shaky, since we're walking at least 25 years ago, but I
>> think there were several levels of governance, so you had to register at
>> the one closest to you, and they then had to reach out to the level above
>> them and so on.
>
> ACK
>
>> In terms of usenet, isn't it just that I need to find one peer, and "off I
>> go"?
>
> Largely, yes.
>
> Other servers can filter posts from your server(s). But that's the case
> independent of the number of peers you have.

After a few months of using usenet I have to say that I find it great.
Very little spam with a few rules in my filter software.

I think usenet is in for a renaissance!

D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 11:34 this Saturday (GMT):
>
>
> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, Grant Taylor wrote:
>
>> On 3/29/24 05:24, D wrote:
>>> True. I've heard that there is a black market in china for unfiltered
>>> internet connections. Don't know if it is true and how big it is, but given
>>> human nature I would definitely not be surprised if it was true.
>>
>> This doesn't surprise me.
>>
>>> My memory is very shaky, since we're walking at least 25 years ago, but I
>>> think there were several levels of governance, so you had to register at
>>> the one closest to you, and they then had to reach out to the level above
>>> them and so on.
>>
>> ACK
>>
>>> In terms of usenet, isn't it just that I need to find one peer, and "off I
>>> go"?
>>
>> Largely, yes.
>>
>> Other servers can filter posts from your server(s). But that's the case
>> independent of the number of peers you have.
>
> After a few months of using usenet I have to say that I find it great.
> Very little spam with a few rules in my filter software.
>
> I think usenet is in for a renaissance!

Hopefully.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

>On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 12:34:16 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

>I think usenet is in for a renaissance!

Are you aware of Gopher and Gemini?

https://hackaday.com/2021/09/28/gopher-the-competing-standard-to-www-in-the-90s-is-still-worth-checking-out/

https://techhq.com/2022/07/gemini-protocol-cybersecurity-websites-platform/

https://geminiquickst.art/

Lagrange is a fab browser for Gemini and Gopher:
https://git.skyjake.fi/gemini/lagrange/releases

I've got a 16 bit gopher client for win 3.1 from 1993 that I still use

On Sun, 31 Mar 2024, El Kabong wrote:

>> On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 12:34:16 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>> I think usenet is in for a renaissance!
>
> Are you aware of Gopher and Gemini?

Yes! I had a look at gopher a year or two ago, and although I did find
some nice long form blogs, it was not nice enough to make me stay.

Gemini I liked less, since they started to add back in complexity, but
gopher is a nice idea.

What I think about is what I'd need to drop the internet completely and
move over to gopher except banking and shopping, and I think the answer is
probably more content.

>
>
> https://hackaday.com/2021/09/28/gopher-the-competing-standard-to-www-in-the-90s-is-still-worth-checking-out/
>
> https://techhq.com/2022/07/gemini-protocol-cybersecurity-websites-platform/
>
> https://geminiquickst.art/
>
> Lagrange is a fab browser for Gemini and Gopher:
> https://git.skyjake.fi/gemini/lagrange/releases
>
> I've got a 16 bit gopher client for win 3.1 from 1993 that I still use
>

>On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 11:31:01 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

>What I think about is what I'd need to drop the internet completely and
>move over to gopher except banking and shopping, and I think the answer is
>probably more content.

I do banking/shopping with Whonix on a Kicksecure host.

It didn't start out that way, but smart phones and a regular internet
connection have become a way to spy on people; and not just
advertising. In England if you complain online about the immigration
policy the cops come to your house and threaten to arrest you for hate
speech.

I don't trust tor because too many agencies with almost unlimited
funds have been trying to deannonomise it for years. I like IPFS, and
I love i2p. Freenet never spoke to me.