I've Used MSOffice 2002 for ages (Word and Excel mostly). Is 2002 the
last stand alone MS version which does not need any internet connection
or is thaere a later version that also does the same?
With 2002 the only time it needs any sort of verification because of
when something changes (crash etc.) all it needs is the disk insertion
to verify, but it is getting long in the tooth and only x32 I think.
My sister has Office365 on Windows 7 and it is always having
authentication/ verification problems which are a real PITA as she cant
use anything offline.. hence contemplating an older version.. and linux
based suites have their own problems. thanks C+

In article <u30jhhpjv56reom8peldcu8r41d3hb9id3@4ax.com>, charlie@xxx.net (Charlie+)
wrote:

> *From:* Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net>
> *Date:* Thu, 08 Sep 2022 07:08:32 +0100
>
> I've Used MSOffice 2002 for ages (Word and Excel mostly). Is 2002
> the last stand alone MS version which does not need any internet
> connection or is thaere a later version that also does the same?
> With 2002 the only time it needs any sort of verification because of
> when something changes (crash etc.) all it needs is the disk
> insertion to verify, but it is getting long in the tooth and only x32
> I think.
> My sister has Office365 on Windows 7 and it is always having
> authentication/ verification problems which are a real PITA as she
> cant use anything offline.. hence contemplating an older version.. and
> linux based suites have their own problems. thanks C+
>
I'm using Office 2007 (64-bit) here under both Windows 10 and 7 which is the same.
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On 9/8/2022 4:08 AM, John K.Eason wrote:
> In article <u30jhhpjv56reom8peldcu8r41d3hb9id3@4ax.com>, charlie@xxx.net (Charlie+)
> wrote:
>
>> *From:* Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net>
>> *Date:* Thu, 08 Sep 2022 07:08:32 +0100
>>
>> I've Used MSOffice 2002 for ages (Word and Excel mostly). Is 2002
>> the last stand alone MS version which does not need any internet
>> connection or is thaere a later version that also does the same?
>> With 2002 the only time it needs any sort of verification because of
>> when something changes (crash etc.) all it needs is the disk
>> insertion to verify, but it is getting long in the tooth and only x32
>> I think.
>> My sister has Office365 on Windows 7 and it is always having
>> authentication/ verification problems which are a real PITA as she
>> cant use anything offline.. hence contemplating an older version.. and
>> linux based suites have their own problems. thanks C+
>>
> I'm using Office 2007 (64-bit) here under both Windows 10 and 7 which is the same.
>

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 x64
Office 2007

I have no problems with Office 2007, which does not use the Internet.

I avoid any software that requires the cloud. Thus, I am still using
Acrobat Reader 11.0.23.22.

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On Thu, 08 Sep 2022 07:08:32 +0100, Charlie+ wrote:
> I've Used MSOffice 2002 for ages (Word and Excel mostly). Is 2002 the
> last stand alone MS version which does not need any internet connection
> or is thaere a later version that also does the same?
>

I have Office 2010 and it runs just fine without an Internet
connection. (Obviously Outlook would be an exception, if you wanted
to use it. I never installed Outlook, because I had to use it at work
and loathed it.) If you decide to buy it, be very careful of your
source because there are a lot of scammers out there who'll sell you
a stolen activation code.

I believe Office 2019 doesn't require an Internet connection, but I
don't have direct experience with it. (Office 2019 is a one-time
purchase, as opposed to the subscription model of Office 365. The
latter _does_ require an Internet connection, I believe.)

But if 2002 does what you need, why would you want to make a change?
There's a significant learning curve for any Office 2007 or later,
because the menus were replaced with the "ribbon". A lot of people
hated it; I didn't, but it took some getting used to.

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Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net> wrote:

>I've Used MSOffice 2002 for ages (Word and Excel mostly). Is 2002 the
>last stand alone MS version which does not need any internet connection
>or is thaere a later version that also does the same?

I use Office 2007(32) which does not need an internet connection. It
tries to use the net when you ask for help. The help sysem was
on-line, not on your computer, but MS took it down many years ago.

>With 2002 the only time it needs any sort of verification because of
>when something changes (crash etc.) all it needs is the disk insertion
>to verify,

I've never had to insert tbe disk.

> but it is getting long in the tooth and only x32 I think.
>My sister has Office365 on Windows 7 and it is always having
>authentication/ verification problems which are a real PITA as she cant
>use anything offline.. hence contemplating an older version.. and linux
>based suites have their own problems. thanks C+

Libre Office resides entirely on your machine (you have the option of
downloading the help system). It works somewhat differently from MS
Office. It will "phone home" to check for updates, but nothing else.

--
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tim <at> risingdove <dot> com

On Thu, 08 Sep 2022 10:56:12 -0400, Tim Slattery wrote:
> I use Office 2007(32) which does not need an internet connection. It
> tries to use the net when you ask for help.

You can change that.

Press F1 to open help. Look at the lower right, in the status bar,
and it will tell you whether help is online or offline. Click that
indicator, and select your desired help source. Your selection will
apply to all Office applications, not just the one you have open.

(I have Office 2010, but most things are the same between that and
2007.)

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On Thu, 08 Sep 2022 07:08:32 +0100, Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net> wrote as
underneath :

>I've Used MSOffice 2002 for ages (Word and Excel mostly). Is 2002 the
>last stand alone MS version which does not need any internet connection
>or is thaere a later version that also does the same?
>With 2002 the only time it needs any sort of verification because of
>when something changes (crash etc.) all it needs is the disk insertion
>to verify, but it is getting long in the tooth and only x32 I think.
>My sister has Office365 on Windows 7 and it is always having
>authentication/ verification problems which are a real PITA as she cant
>use anything offline.. hence contemplating an older version.. and linux
>based suites have their own problems. thanks C+

Thanks to all of you who replied, funnily enough I ran a copy of Libre
Office yesterday to see if it might be acceptable, it can run on ribbon
type menues (she probably used those) by changing options. Thanks for
the info on 2007 and 2010 those sound possible as well I didnt know 2007
on also did the ribbon. I will give those a go as well and see if they
might do the trick.
2019 yes I gather that is the last Office with single purchase option
but they are phasing out of single purchase completely and Im sure it
needs authentication all the time or at least every n days. Anyway
thanks for helpful posts everyone. C+

On Fri, 09 Sep 2022 06:52:21 +0100, Charlie+ wrote:
> 2019 yes I gather that is the last Office with single purchase option
> but they are phasing out of single purchase completely and Im sure it
> needs authentication all the time or at least every n days.

Don't say "I'm sure" when what you really mean is "I suspect". Unless
you have some evidence to support your conjecture, it remains just
that -- a conjecture.

In today's climate, it is really important not to claim something to
be truth unless we have actual _evidence_ than it is. Otherwise we
are just behaving like the Maganuts.

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Shikata ga nai...

Charlie+ wrote:
> I've Used MSOffice 2002 for ages (Word and Excel mostly). Is 2002 the
> last stand alone MS version which does not need any internet connection
> or is thaere a later version that also does the same?
> With 2002 the only time it needs any sort of verification because of
> when something changes (crash etc.) all it needs is the disk insertion
> to verify, but it is getting long in the tooth and only x32 I think.
> My sister has Office365 on Windows 7 and it is always having
> authentication/ verification problems which are a real PITA as she cant
> use anything offline.. hence contemplating an older version.. and linux
> based suites have their own problems. thanks C+

Afaik, all except 365 have stand alone versions. No internet needed
except for initial install on the newer versions and periodic security
downloads. 365 is a subscription service and (mostly) needs the web to
run although it can do a few minor things without the web.
Also, afaik, there is no Office 2002. Did you mean 2003?

My personal Win7 work laptop has parts of Office 2003, 2007, 2013, 2016,
etc, installed and they work ok together but took hours of registry
finesse to do it. I just returned the new W10 laptop with 365 back to
the company and told them they can keep it. Office can't be used
without the web and often where I work there is no web.

On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 23:16:56 -0500, Paul in Houston TX
<Paul@Houston.Texas> wrote:

>Charlie+ wrote:
>> I've Used MSOffice 2002 for ages (Word and Excel mostly). Is 2002 the
>> last stand alone MS version which does not need any internet connection
>> or is thaere a later version that also does the same?
>> With 2002 the only time it needs any sort of verification because of
>> when something changes (crash etc.) all it needs is the disk insertion
>> to verify, but it is getting long in the tooth and only x32 I think.
>> My sister has Office365 on Windows 7 and it is always having
>> authentication/ verification problems which are a real PITA as she cant
>> use anything offline.. hence contemplating an older version.. and linux
>> based suites have their own problems. thanks C+
>
>Afaik, all except 365 have stand alone versions. No internet needed
>except for initial install on the newer versions and periodic security
>downloads. 365 is a subscription service and (mostly) needs the web to
>run although it can do a few minor things without the web.
>Also, afaik, there is no Office 2002. Did you mean 2003?

Office XP, the precursor to Office 2003, is sometimes informally
referred to as Office 2002. Maybe he meant that one.

>My personal Win7 work laptop has parts of Office 2003, 2007, 2013, 2016,
>etc, installed and they work ok together but took hours of registry
>finesse to do it. I just returned the new W10 laptop with 365 back to
>the company and told them they can keep it. Office can't be used
>without the web and often where I work there is no web.

On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 17:40:40 -0700, Stan Brown
<the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>On Fri, 09 Sep 2022 06:52:21 +0100, Charlie+ wrote:
>> 2019 yes I gather that is the last Office with single purchase option
>> but they are phasing out of single purchase completely and Im sure it
>> needs authentication all the time or at least every n days.
>
>Don't say "I'm sure" when what you really mean is "I suspect". Unless
>you have some evidence to support your conjecture, it remains just
>that -- a conjecture.
>
>In today's climate, it is really important not to claim something to
>be truth unless we have actual _evidence_ than it is. Otherwise we
>are just behaving like the Maganuts.

Yes. It's also like those people who say "I have this problem. I've
tried everything, but it didn't get fixed. What should I do?"

If you've tried *everything* and it didn't get fixed, there's clearly
no solution.

On Fri, 09 Sep 2022 23:52:05 -0500, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
wrote:

>On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 23:16:56 -0500, Paul in Houston TX
><Paul@Houston.Texas> wrote:
>
>>Charlie+ wrote:
>>> I've Used MSOffice 2002 for ages (Word and Excel mostly). Is 2002 the
>>> last stand alone MS version which does not need any internet connection
>>> or is thaere a later version that also does the same?
>>> With 2002 the only time it needs any sort of verification because of
>>> when something changes (crash etc.) all it needs is the disk insertion
>>> to verify, but it is getting long in the tooth and only x32 I think.
>>> My sister has Office365 on Windows 7 and it is always having
>>> authentication/ verification problems which are a real PITA as she cant
>>> use anything offline.. hence contemplating an older version.. and linux
>>> based suites have their own problems. thanks C+
>>
>>Afaik, all except 365 have stand alone versions. No internet needed
>>except for initial install on the newer versions and periodic security
>>downloads. 365 is a subscription service and (mostly) needs the web to
>>run although it can do a few minor things without the web.
>>Also, afaik, there is no Office 2002. Did you mean 2003?
>
>Office XP, the precursor to Office 2003, is sometimes informally
>referred to as Office 2002. Maybe he meant that one.

Yes, very likely. But let me add a comment that, especially when
asking for help, it's very important to use the correct names for
things. Use the wrong name or even an informal name, and you run the
risk of getting a wrong answer.

Il giorno Thu 08 Sep 2022 04:50:18p, *David E. Ross* ha inviato su
alt.windows7.general il messaggio news:tfcvfb$1mts$1@gioia.aioe.org.
Vediamo cosa ha scritto:

> Thus, I am still using
> Acrobat Reader 11.0.23.22.
>

I always preferred PDF Xchange Viewer

On 9/19/2022 9:45, Ammammata wrote:
> Il giorno Thu 08 Sep 2022 04:50:18p, *David E. Ross* ha inviato su
> alt.windows7.general il messaggio news:tfcvfb$1mts$1@gioia.aioe.org.
> Vediamo cosa ha scritto:
>
>> Thus, I am still using
>> Acrobat Reader 11.0.23.22.

I use the same Acrobat reader. I also use Office 2003. It seems to
work fine for personal use.

> I always preferred PDF Xchange Viewer

On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 11:37:18 -0400, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

>On 9/19/2022 9:45, Ammammata wrote:
>> Il giorno Thu 08 Sep 2022 04:50:18p, *David E. Ross* ha inviato su
>> alt.windows7.general il messaggio news:tfcvfb$1mts$1@gioia.aioe.org.
>> Vediamo cosa ha scritto:
>>
>>> Thus, I am still using
>>> Acrobat Reader 11.0.23.22.
>
>I use the same Acrobat reader. I also use Office 2003. It seems to
>work fine for personal use.

I don't use any Acrobat Reader. I prefer Foxit Reader.

On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 09:21:58 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
wrote:
>On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 11:37:18 -0400, Michael Trew
><michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>>On 9/19/2022 9:45, Ammammata wrote:
>>> Il giorno Thu 08 Sep 2022 04:50:18p, *David E. Ross* ha inviato su
>>> alt.windows7.general il messaggio news:tfcvfb$1mts$1@gioia.aioe.org.

>>> Vediamo cosa ha scritto:

>>>> Thus, I am still using
>>>> Acrobat Reader 11.0.23.22.

>>I use the same Acrobat reader. I also use Office 2003. It seems to
>>work fine for personal use.

>I don't use any Acrobat Reader. I prefer Foxit Reader.

I usually stuck with Sumatra PDF. It's arguably less feature-rich, but
it makes up for with speed. It loads almost instantly, and since I
mostly use it for reading files - not creating, not OCR, not filling
out forms, none of that - being able to open files fast is the most
important thing

(even in this age of fast solid-state drives and multi-gigahertz CPUs,
there's still a noticable difference).

Although - when I do need those extra features - FoxIt is usually my
fall-back.

On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 13:26:55 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
<spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 09:21:58 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>>On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 11:37:18 -0400, Michael Trew
>><michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>>>On 9/19/2022 9:45, Ammammata wrote:
>>>> Il giorno Thu 08 Sep 2022 04:50:18p, *David E. Ross* ha inviato su
>>>> alt.windows7.general il messaggio news:tfcvfb$1mts$1@gioia.aioe.org.
>
>>>> Vediamo cosa ha scritto:
>
>>>>> Thus, I am still using
>>>>> Acrobat Reader 11.0.23.22.
>
>>>I use the same Acrobat reader. I also use Office 2003. It seems to
>>>work fine for personal use.
>
>>I don't use any Acrobat Reader. I prefer Foxit Reader.
>
>I usually stuck with Sumatra PDF.

I tried Sumatra for a while. It was OK, but I preferred Foxit

>It's arguably less feature-rich,

Yes.

>but
>it makes up for with speed. It loads almost instantly,

So does Foxit here.

>and since I
>mostly use it for reading files - not creating, not OCR, not filling
>out forms, none of that - being able to open files fast is the most
>important thing
>
>(even in this age of fast solid-state drives and multi-gigahertz CPUs,
>there's still a noticable difference).
>
>Although - when I do need those extra features - FoxIt is usually my
>fall-back.
>

Il giorno Mon 19 Sep 2022 07:26:55p, *Spalls Hurgenson* ha inviato su
alt.windows7.general il messaggio
news:ea9hih5ng0hsq6rmlgp2lo7q5lk132jlt1@4ax.com. Vediamo cosa ha scritto:

>>I don't use any Acrobat Reader. I prefer Foxit Reader.

I did either, but Xchange viewer has some nice editing tools that I'm
missing in foxit

>
> I usually stuck with Sumatra PDF

I use this for epub, cbr, cbz

Ammammata <ammammata@tiscalinet.it> wrote:
> Il giorno Mon 19 Sep 2022 07:26:55p, *Spalls Hurgenson* ha inviato su
> alt.windows7.general il messaggio
> news:ea9hih5ng0hsq6rmlgp2lo7q5lk132jlt1@4ax.com. Vediamo cosa ha scritto:

> >>I don't use any Acrobat Reader. I prefer Foxit Reader.

> I did either, but Xchange viewer has some nice editing tools that I'm
> missing in foxit

Can it do digital signatures, edit document texts, save and reopen with
saved changes, etc.?

> > I usually stuck with Sumatra PDF

> I use this for epub, cbr, cbz

I only use that to read PDFs.
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 19:45:04 +0000, Ant wrote:
> Ammammata <ammammata@tiscalinet.it> wrote:
> > Il giorno Mon 19 Sep 2022 07:26:55p, *Spalls Hurgenson* ha inviato su
> > alt.windows7.general il messaggio
> > news:ea9hih5ng0hsq6rmlgp2lo7q5lk132jlt1@4ax.com. Vediamo cosa ha scritto:
>
> > >>I don't use any Acrobat Reader. I prefer Foxit Reader.
>
> > I did either, but Xchange viewer has some nice editing tools that I'm
> > missing in foxit
>
> Can it do digital signatures, edit document texts, save and reopen with
> saved changes, etc.?
>

Ands is that the paid version or the free version? I have free
version 2.5, and the menu items for various kinds of editing all have
a little "PRO" next to them.

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