Hi,

My current version (102.15.1) of Thunderbird does NOT have the issues I
had with some earlier versions.

I use TB for my gmail (Google) email account. Note: I also have a couple
other email accounts.

Recently I changed my gmail account password at the server (not using TB).
Afterwards, I was unable to download my email.

I could NOT find via TB's Settings, etc, where to enter a new password or
edit the password.

A google search for the procedure showed a procedure for changing the
password in TB, but NOT for this newer version of TB.

I discovered a method by accident.

I composed a short email to send to my other email service. When I
clicked on "Send", it tried to send the email, then presented me with
options that included entering a new password. I entered the new PW.
A prompt, "Sign in with Google" displayed, then I saw "Mozilla Thunderbird
wants to access your Google Account".. I clicked on "Allow", and by
golly, it worked!

I did this procedure on 3 other PCs with this version of TB.

John

jaugustine wrote:

> Recently I changed my gmail account password at the server (not using TB).
> Afterwards, I was unable to download my email.
>
> I could NOT find via TB's Settings, etc, where to enter a new password or
> edit the password.

go into tools/settings/saved passwords

highlight and remove the one you changed, you should then be prompted
for it again at next connection (remember to tick the "save password"
button).

On 27/03/2024 17:38, Andy Burns wrote:
> jaugustine wrote:
>
>> ��� Recently I changed my gmail account password at the server (not
>> using TB).
>> Afterwards, I was� unable to download my email.
>>
>> ��� I could NOT find via TB's Settings, etc, where to enter a new
>> password or
>> edit the password.
>
> go into tools/settings/saved passwords
>
> highlight and remove the one you changed, you should then be prompted
> for it again at next connection (remember to tick the "save password"
> button).
>
Or just type the new password where you double-clicked on "Saved
Passwords" panel. That box is "editable"if you "show passwords" and
follow the correct procedures!!!.

On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 17:38:24 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>jaugustine wrote:
>
>> Recently I changed my gmail account password at the server (not using TB).
>> Afterwards, I was unable to download my email.
>>
>> I could NOT find via TB's Settings, etc, where to enter a new password or
>> edit the password.
>
>go into tools/settings/saved passwords
>
>highlight and remove the one you changed, you should then be prompted
>for it again at next connection (remember to tick the "save password"
>button).

But the OP later describes accidentally discovering the method to have
Gmail/Google update/insert its OAuth2 token as password.

Am 27.03.24 um 18:32 schrieb jaugustine@verizon.net:
> Hi,
>
> My current version (102.15.1) of Thunderbird does NOT have the issues I
> had with some earlier versions.
>
> I use TB for my gmail (Google) email account. Note: I also have a couple
> other email accounts.
>
> Recently I changed my gmail account password at the server (not using TB).
> Afterwards, I was unable to download my email.
>
> I could NOT find via TB's Settings, etc, where to enter a new password or
> edit the password.
>
> A google search for the procedure showed a procedure for changing the
> password in TB, but NOT for this newer version of TB.
>
> I discovered a method by accident.
>
> I composed a short email to send to my other email service. When I
> clicked on "Send", it tried to send the email, then presented me with
> options that included entering a new password. I entered the new PW.
> A prompt, "Sign in with Google" displayed, then I saw "Mozilla Thunderbird
> wants to access your Google Account".. I clicked on "Allow", and by
> golly, it worked!
>
> I did this procedure on 3 other PCs with this version of TB.
>

Excellent. Congrats!

--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

Am 27.03.24 um 19:13 schrieb Jörg Lorenz:
> Am 27.03.24 um 18:32 schrieb jaugustine@verizon.net:
>> Hi,
>>
>> My current version (102.15.1) of Thunderbird does NOT have the issues I
>> had with some earlier versions.
>>
>> I use TB for my gmail (Google) email account. Note: I also have a couple
>> other email accounts.
>>
>> Recently I changed my gmail account password at the server (not using TB).
>> Afterwards, I was unable to download my email.
>>
>> I could NOT find via TB's Settings, etc, where to enter a new password or
>> edit the password.
>>
>> A google search for the procedure showed a procedure for changing the
>> password in TB, but NOT for this newer version of TB.
>>
>> I discovered a method by accident.
>>
>> I composed a short email to send to my other email service. When I
>> clicked on "Send", it tried to send the email, then presented me with
>> options that included entering a new password. I entered the new PW.
>> A prompt, "Sign in with Google" displayed, then I saw "Mozilla Thunderbird
>> wants to access your Google Account".. I clicked on "Allow", and by
>> golly, it worked!
>>
>> I did this procedure on 3 other PCs with this version of TB.
>>
>
> Excellent. Congrats!

BTW: Check the password manager of TB.

--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

<jaugustine@verizon.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> My current version (102.15.1) of Thunderbird does NOT have the issues I
> had with some earlier versions.
>
> I use TB for my gmail (Google) email account. Note: I also have a couple
> other email accounts.
>
> Recently I changed my gmail account password at the server (not using TB).
> Afterwards, I was unable to download my email.
>
> I could NOT find via TB's Settings, etc, where to enter a new password or
> edit the password.
>
> A google search for the procedure showed a procedure for changing the
> password in TB, but NOT for this newer version of TB.
>
> I discovered a method by accident.
>
> I composed a short email to send to my other email service. When I
> clicked on "Send", it tried to send the email, then presented me with
> options that included entering a new password. I entered the new PW.
> A prompt, "Sign in with Google" displayed, then I saw "Mozilla Thunderbird
> wants to access your Google Account".. I clicked on "Allow", and by
> golly, it worked!
>
> I did this procedure on 3 other PCs with this version of TB.

Google switched to requiring OAUTH2 for authentication. Your new
password is only valid at their web site. For an e-mail client, an
OAUTH2 token is used. When you changed the password, the screens you
saw were web pages at Gmail asking you to login with whatever is your
current password, and ask for you to grant permission for access by that
client. The site then gives a new OAUTH2 token to your client. The
same process happens when you create a new Gmail account in your client.

https://support.google.com/a/answer/14114704?hl=en

Google started migrating their customers from login credentials to
OAUTH2 tokens over a year ago, but are progessively changing the
requirement. I got nailed a couple months ago. Microsoft is doing the
same; see:

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/microsoft-oauth-authentication-and-thunderbird-202
https://www.emclient.com/blog/microsoft-disables-basic-authentication-for-all-accounts-521

On 28/03/2024 03:01, VanguardLH wrote:
> <jaugustine@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> My current version (102.15.1) of Thunderbird does NOT have the issues I
>> had with some earlier versions.
>>
>> I use TB for my gmail (Google) email account. Note: I also have a couple
>> other email accounts.
>>
>> Recently I changed my gmail account password at the server (not using TB).
>> Afterwards, I was unable to download my email.
>>
>> I could NOT find via TB's Settings, etc, where to enter a new password or
>> edit the password.
>>
>> A google search for the procedure showed a procedure for changing the
>> password in TB, but NOT for this newer version of TB.
>>
>> I discovered a method by accident.
>>
>> I composed a short email to send to my other email service. When I
>> clicked on "Send", it tried to send the email, then presented me with
>> options that included entering a new password. I entered the new PW.
>> A prompt, "Sign in with Google" displayed, then I saw "Mozilla Thunderbird
>> wants to access your Google Account".. I clicked on "Allow", and by
>> golly, it worked!
>>
>> I did this procedure on 3 other PCs with this version of TB.
>
> Google switched to requiring OAUTH2 for authentication. Your new
> password is only valid at their web site. For an e-mail client, an
> OAUTH2 token is used. When you changed the password, the screens you
> saw were web pages at Gmail asking you to login with whatever is your
> current password, and ask for you to grant permission for access by that
> client. The site then gives a new OAUTH2 token to your client. The
> same process happens when you create a new Gmail account in your client.
>
> https://support.google.com/a/answer/14114704?hl=en
>
> Google started migrating their customers from login credentials to
> OAUTH2 tokens over a year ago, but are progessively changing the
> requirement. I got nailed a couple months ago. Microsoft is doing the
> same; see:
>
> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/microsoft-oauth-authentication-and-thunderbird-202
> https://www.emclient.com/blog/microsoft-disables-basic-authentication-for-all-accounts-521
Thank you for those Microsoft links. On the Microsoft links: My
Thunderbird (115.9.0) in the UK doesn't offer OAUTH2 for Microsoft smtp
servers. Although they seem happy to works without OAUTH2. OAUTH2 is
offered for the POP servers.
I'm missing something somewhere. Can anyone point me in the right
direction please?