"Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> on Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:44:55
-0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
><howie@invalidated.com> wrote
>
>| What is a decent browser besides Firefox?
>|
>
> I use New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64).
>They're all Firefox but the others are slimmer versions.
>New Moon supports XP, which Moxzilla can't be bothered with
>for Firefox.

For what it is worth, I downloaded Waterfox. After some issues
getting _all_ the bookmarks transferred, I like it. Mostly I like
that it loads pages faster.
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 19:11:07 -0800, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

>"Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> on Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:44:55
>-0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>><howie@invalidated.com> wrote
>>
>>| What is a decent browser besides Firefox?
>>|
>>
>> I use New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64).
>>They're all Firefox but the others are slimmer versions.
>>New Moon supports XP, which Moxzilla can't be bothered with
>>for Firefox.
>
> For what it is worth, I downloaded Waterfox. After some issues
>getting _all_ the bookmarks transferred, I like it. Mostly I like
>that it loads pages faster.
Only for 64 bit Windows.

pyotr filipivich wrote:
> "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> on Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:44:55
> -0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>> <howie@invalidated.com> wrote
>>
>> | What is a decent browser besides Firefox?
>> |
>>
>> I use New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64).
>> They're all Firefox but the others are slimmer versions.
>> New Moon supports XP, which Moxzilla can't be bothered with
>> for Firefox.
>
> For what it is worth, I downloaded Waterfox. After some issues
> getting _all_ the bookmarks transferred, I like it. Mostly I like
> that it loads pages faster.

I tried it. I found that it loads pages more slowly than Firefox.

Ed

"John B. Smith" <crasso@verizon.net> wrote

| > For what it is worth, I downloaded Waterfox. After some issues
| >getting _all_ the bookmarks transferred, I like it. Mostly I like
| >that it loads pages faster.

| Only for 64 bit Windows.

Yes. As is Pale Moon. New Moon supports 32-bit and
XP.

"Ed Cryer" <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote

| > For what it is worth, I downloaded Waterfox. After some issues
| > getting _all_ the bookmarks transferred, I like it. Mostly I like
| > that it loads pages faster.
| | I tried it. I found that it loads pages more slowly than Firefox.
|

It's essentially the same thing, so it may depend on what
extensions/settings you have.

I've never understood this obsession
with speed of loading pages. Most load almost instantly for me.
If you're waiting then you might want to consider a HOSTS
file to block ad/spware domains, as well as NoScript, so that
you're only running script that you actually need for a website.
It's not unusual that a page needs 2 scripts that are local, but
is also trying to load MBs of script from ad/spyware companies.
Then there are the videos that load without asking. There's
the inane prefetching. In short, there's no reason that you
need to wait for pages to load, but if you're not going to
control the ads and spying then you will, often, be loading
20+ MB, with maybe 15-20 script files, for many pages.

It's not the fault of browser makers. They're doing an amazing
job of handling all that bloat and interpreting all the code to
lay out a webpage.

On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 19:22:59 +0000
Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

> pyotr filipivich wrote:
> > "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> on Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:44:55
> > -0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
> >> <howie@invalidated.com> wrote
> >>
> >> | What is a decent browser besides Firefox?
> >> |
> >>
> >> I use New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64).
> >> They're all Firefox but the others are slimmer versions.
> >> New Moon supports XP, which Moxzilla can't be bothered with
> >> for Firefox.
> >
> > For what it is worth, I downloaded Waterfox. After some
> > issues getting _all_ the bookmarks transferred, I like it. Mostly
> > I like that it loads pages faster.
>
> I tried it. I found that it loads pages more slowly than Firefox.
>
> Ed

I have been using Waterfox for over a year, and find it faster than
Firefox, and have never had trouble loading pages.

I do use NoScript, that can block scripts from running. Take Fox News,
there are 30 scripts that try to run, I only have to allow 4 to get
the complete website. Most of those scripts are ads.

Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> on Sat, 12 Mar 2022 19:22:59 +0000
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> on Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:44:55
>> -0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>>> <howie@invalidated.com> wrote
>>>
>>> | What is a decent browser besides Firefox?
>>> |
>>>
>>> I use New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64).
>>> They're all Firefox but the others are slimmer versions.
>>> New Moon supports XP, which Moxzilla can't be bothered with
>>> for Firefox.
>>
>> For what it is worth, I downloaded Waterfox. After some issues
>> getting _all_ the bookmarks transferred, I like it. Mostly I like
>> that it loads pages faster.
>
>I tried it. I found that it loads pages more slowly than Firefox.

I found it handled some pages much better than Pale Moon. Still
can't log into and shop on one web site, but ... that stops the
impulse buys. On the whole, "Works for me."
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pyotr filipivich graced us with on 3/11/2022 7:11 PM:
> "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> on Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:44:55
> -0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>> <howie@invalidated.com> wrote
>>
>> | What is a decent browser besides Firefox?
>> |
>>
>> I use New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64).
>> They're all Firefox but the others are slimmer versions.
>> New Moon supports XP, which Moxzilla can't be bothered with
>> for Firefox.
>
> For what it is worth, I downloaded Waterfox. After some issues
> getting _all_ the bookmarks transferred, I like it. Mostly I like
> that it loads pages faster.

"New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64)"

Which of these, if any, still support XPCOM/XUL circa Fx52.9ESR?

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Sailfish <NIXCAPSsailfish@NIXCAPSunforgettable.com> on Mon, 14 Mar
2022 10:58:19 -0700 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>pyotr filipivich graced us with on 3/11/2022 7:11 PM:
>> "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> on Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:44:55
>> -0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>>> <howie@invalidated.com> wrote
>>>
>>> | What is a decent browser besides Firefox?
>>> |
>>>
>>> I use New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64).
>>> They're all Firefox but the others are slimmer versions.
>>> New Moon supports XP, which Moxzilla can't be bothered with
>>> for Firefox.
>>
>> For what it is worth, I downloaded Waterfox. After some issues
>> getting _all_ the bookmarks transferred, I like it. Mostly I like
>> that it loads pages faster.
>
>"New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64)"
>
>Which of these, if any, still support XPCOM/XUL circa Fx52.9ESR?

I don't even know what that means, so I have no idea if it does or
doesn't.
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On 3/14/2022 4:03 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> Sailfish <NIXCAPSsailfish@NIXCAPSunforgettable.com> on Mon, 14 Mar
> 2022 10:58:19 -0700 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>> pyotr filipivich graced us with on 3/11/2022 7:11 PM:
>>> "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> on Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:44:55
>>> -0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>>>> <howie@invalidated.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>> | What is a decent browser besides Firefox?
>>>> |
>>>>
>>>> I use New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64).
>>>> They're all Firefox but the others are slimmer versions.
>>>> New Moon supports XP, which Moxzilla can't be bothered with
>>>> for Firefox.
>>>
>>> For what it is worth, I downloaded Waterfox. After some issues
>>> getting _all_ the bookmarks transferred, I like it. Mostly I like
>>> that it loads pages faster.
>>
>> "New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64)"
>>
>> Which of these, if any, still support XPCOM/XUL circa Fx52.9ESR?
>
> I don't even know what that means, so I have no idea if it does or
> doesn't.
>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterfox

Waterfox Current (G.x.x.x) [looks x64 only, to keep it off WinXP x86]
Old extensions

Waterfox Classis (Year.Month)
XUL and XPCOM
[Presumably old extensions]
Unfixed vulnerabilities

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Moon
XUL and XPCOM
Old extensions

New Moon appears to be a fork of Pale Moon, for Windows XP

https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16241

Summary: The answer is "sorta yes". But the devil is in
the details, with fork piled on fork.

Paul

Paul graced us with on 3/14/2022 7:38 PM:
> On 3/14/2022 4:03 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> Sailfish <NIXCAPSsailfish@NIXCAPSunforgettable.com> on Mon, 14 Mar
>> 2022 10:58:19 -0700 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>>> pyotr filipivich graced us with on 3/11/2022 7:11 PM:
>>>> "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> on Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:44:55
>>>> -0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>>>>> <howie@invalidated.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>> | What is a decent browser besides Firefox?
>>>>> |
>>>>>
>>>>> I use New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64).
>>>>> They're all Firefox but the others are slimmer versions.
>>>>> New Moon supports XP, which Moxzilla can't be bothered with
>>>>> for Firefox.
>>>>
>>>> For what it is worth, I downloaded Waterfox. After some issues
>>>> getting _all_ the bookmarks transferred, I like it. Mostly I like
>>>> that it loads pages faster.
>>>
>>> "New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64)"
>>>
>>> Which of these, if any, still support XPCOM/XUL circa Fx52.9ESR?
>>
>> I don't even know what that means, so I have no idea if it does or
>> doesn't.
>>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterfox
>
> Waterfox Current (G.x.x.x) [looks x64 only, to keep it off WinXP x86]
> Old extensions
>
> Waterfox Classis (Year.Month)
> XUL and XPCOM
> [Presumably old extensions]
> Unfixed vulnerabilities
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Moon
> XUL and XPCOM
> Old extensions
>
> New Moon appears to be a fork of Pale Moon, for Windows XP
>
> https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16241
>
> Summary: The answer is "sorta yes". But the devil is in
> the details, with fork piled on fork.
>
Thanks! The main reason I still use Fx52.9 (last Fx to support XPCOM) as
my GoTo browser is for XPCOM/XUL extensions such as TMP,
Self-Destructing Cookies, Super-Drag and other UI elements that have
since been removed from later versions, like Bookmark description boxes.

Unfortuneatly, Fx52.9ESR is getting a bit long-in-the-tooth and no
longer displays a number of content that have moved to rely on newer CSS
advances.

I'll give both a try and report back what my finds are in terms of older
extension support in case others may be interested.

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Paul graced us with on 3/14/2022 7:38 PM:
> On 3/14/2022 4:03 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> Sailfish <NIXCAPSsailfish@NIXCAPSunforgettable.com> on Mon, 14 Mar
>> 2022 10:58:19 -0700 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>>> pyotr filipivich graced us with on 3/11/2022 7:11 PM:
>>>> "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> on Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:44:55
>>>> -0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>>>>> <howie@invalidated.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>> | What is a decent browser besides Firefox?
>>>>> |
>>>>>
>>>>> I use New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64).
>>>>> They're all Firefox but the others are slimmer versions.
>>>>> New Moon supports XP, which Moxzilla can't be bothered with
>>>>> for Firefox.
>>>>
>>>> For what it is worth, I downloaded Waterfox. After some issues
>>>> getting _all_ the bookmarks transferred, I like it. Mostly I like
>>>> that it loads pages faster.
>>>
>>> "New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64)"
>>>
>>> Which of these, if any, still support XPCOM/XUL circa Fx52.9ESR?
>>
>> I don't even know what that means, so I have no idea if it does or
>> doesn't.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Moon
> XUL and XPCOM
> Old extensions
>
> New Moon appears to be a fork of Pale Moon, for Windows XP
>
> https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16241
>
> Summary: The answer is "sorta yes". But the devil is in
> the details, with fork piled on fork.
>
Ref: https://www.palemoon.org/download.shtml

Hmm, Palemoon download (32/64bit) (Europe/US mirror) time out. Anyone
else experience this?

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On 19/03/2022 18:37, Sailfish wrote:
>
> Ref: https://www.palemoon.org/download.shtml
>
> Hmm, Palemoon download (32/64bit) (Europe/US mirror) time out. Anyone
> else experience this?

Yes, I'm getting "Server not found!" ATM, but if it's of any interest my
64-bit versions of PaleMoon on 2 different PCs have both offered to
upgrade, and then successfully upgraded on acceptance of the offer, to
v30 within the last couple of days or so.

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On 19.03.22 19:37, Sailfish wrote:
> Paul graced us with on 3/14/2022 7:38 PM:
>> On 3/14/2022 4:03 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>> Sailfish <NIXCAPSsailfish@NIXCAPSunforgettable.com> on Mon, 14 Mar
>>> 2022 10:58:19 -0700 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>>>> pyotr filipivich graced us with on 3/11/2022 7:11 PM:
>>>>> "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> on Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:44:55
>>>>> -0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>>>>>> <howie@invalidated.com> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>> | What is a decent browser besides Firefox?
>>>>>> |
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64).
>>>>>> They're all Firefox but the others are slimmer versions.
>>>>>> New Moon supports XP, which Moxzilla can't be bothered with
>>>>>> for Firefox.
>>>>>
>>>>> For what it is worth, I downloaded Waterfox. After some issues
>>>>> getting _all_ the bookmarks transferred, I like it. Mostly I like
>>>>> that it loads pages faster.
>>>>
>>>> "New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64)"
>>>>
>>>> Which of these, if any, still support XPCOM/XUL circa Fx52.9ESR?
>>>
>>> I don't even know what that means, so I have no idea if it does or
>>> doesn't.
>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Moon
>> XUL and XPCOM
>> Old extensions
>>
>> New Moon appears to be a fork of Pale Moon, for Windows XP
>>
>> https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16241
>>
>> Summary: The answer is "sorta yes". But the devil is in
>> the details, with fork piled on fork.
>>
> Ref: https://www.palemoon.org/download.shtml
>
> Hmm, Palemoon download (32/64bit) (Europe/US mirror) time out. Anyone
> else experience this?
>
server not found.
(Netherlands).

On 19.03.22 20:45, Sjouke Burry wrote:
> On 19.03.22 19:37, Sailfish wrote:
>> Paul graced us with on 3/14/2022 7:38 PM:
>>> On 3/14/2022 4:03 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>> Sailfish <NIXCAPSsailfish@NIXCAPSunforgettable.com> on Mon, 14 Mar
>>>> 2022 10:58:19 -0700 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>>>>> pyotr filipivich graced us with on 3/11/2022 7:11 PM:
>>>>>> "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> on Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:44:55
>>>>>> -0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>>>>>>> <howie@invalidated.com> wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> | What is a decent browser besides Firefox?
>>>>>>> |
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I use New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64).
>>>>>>> They're all Firefox but the others are slimmer versions.
>>>>>>> New Moon supports XP, which Moxzilla can't be bothered with
>>>>>>> for Firefox.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For what it is worth, I downloaded Waterfox. After some issues
>>>>>> getting _all_ the bookmarks transferred, I like it. Mostly I like
>>>>>> that it loads pages faster.
>>>>>
>>>>> "New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64)"
>>>>>
>>>>> Which of these, if any, still support XPCOM/XUL circa Fx52.9ESR?
>>>>
>>>> I don't even know what that means, so I have no idea if it does or
>>>> doesn't.
>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Moon
>>> XUL and XPCOM
>>> Old extensions
>>>
>>> New Moon appears to be a fork of Pale Moon, for Windows XP
>>>
>>> https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16241
>>>
>>> Summary: The answer is "sorta yes". But the devil is in
>>> the details, with fork piled on fork.
>>>
>> Ref: https://www.palemoon.org/download.shtml
>>
>> Hmm, Palemoon download (32/64bit) (Europe/US mirror) time out. Anyone
>> else experience this?
>>
> server not found.
> (Netherlands).
>
Google and Majorgeeks fail to connect.

Sjouke Burry graced us with on 3/19/2022 1:04 PM:
> On 19.03.22 20:45, Sjouke Burry wrote:
>> On 19.03.22 19:37, Sailfish wrote:
>>> Paul graced us with on 3/14/2022 7:38 PM:
>>>> On 3/14/2022 4:03 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>>> Sailfish <NIXCAPSsailfish@NIXCAPSunforgettable.com> on Mon, 14 Mar
>>>>> 2022 10:58:19 -0700 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>>>>>> pyotr filipivich graced us with on 3/11/2022 7:11 PM:
>>>>>>> "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> on Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:44:55
>>>>>>> -0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>>>>>>>> <howie@invalidated.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> | What is a decent browser besides Firefox?
>>>>>>>> |
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I use New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64).
>>>>>>>> They're all Firefox but the others are slimmer versions.
>>>>>>>> New Moon supports XP, which Moxzilla can't be bothered with
>>>>>>>> for Firefox.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For what it is worth, I downloaded Waterfox. After some
>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>> getting _all_ the bookmarks transferred, I like it. Mostly I like
>>>>>>> that it loads pages faster.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64)"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which of these, if any, still support XPCOM/XUL circa Fx52.9ESR?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't even know what that means, so I have no idea if it
>>>>> does or
>>>>> doesn't.
>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Moon
>>>> XUL and XPCOM
>>>> Old extensions
>>>>
>>>> New Moon appears to be a fork of Pale Moon, for Windows XP
>>>>
>>>> https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16241
>>>>
>>>> Summary: The answer is "sorta yes". But the devil is in
>>>> the details, with fork piled on fork.
>>>>
>>> Ref: https://www.palemoon.org/download.shtml
>>>
>>> Hmm, Palemoon download (32/64bit) (Europe/US mirror) time out. Anyone
>>> else experience this?
>>>
>> server not found.
>> (Netherlands).
>>
> Google and Majorgeeks fail to connect.

Thanks all for the confirmation. I'll check the site again in a few days.

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Sailfish graced us with on 3/19/2022 1:29 PM:
> Sjouke Burry graced us with on 3/19/2022 1:04 PM:
>> On 19.03.22 20:45, Sjouke Burry wrote:
>>> On 19.03.22 19:37, Sailfish wrote:
>>>> Paul graced us with on 3/14/2022 7:38 PM:
>>>>> On 3/14/2022 4:03 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>>>> Sailfish <NIXCAPSsailfish@NIXCAPSunforgettable.com> on Mon, 14 Mar
>>>>>> 2022 10:58:19 -0700 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>>>>>>> pyotr filipivich graced us with on 3/11/2022 7:11 PM:
>>>>>>>> "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> on Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:44:55
>>>>>>>> -0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>>>>>>>>> <howie@invalidated.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> | What is a decent browser besides Firefox?
>>>>>>>>> |
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I use New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64).
>>>>>>>>> They're all Firefox but the others are slimmer versions.
>>>>>>>>> New Moon supports XP, which Moxzilla can't be bothered with
>>>>>>>>> for Firefox.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For what it is worth, I downloaded Waterfox. After some
>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>> getting _all_ the bookmarks transferred, I like it. Mostly I like
>>>>>>>> that it loads pages faster.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64)"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which of these, if any, still support XPCOM/XUL circa Fx52.9ESR?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't even know what that means, so I have no idea if it
>>>>>> does or
>>>>>> doesn't.
>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Moon
>>>>> XUL and XPCOM
>>>>> Old extensions
>>>>>
>>>>> New Moon appears to be a fork of Pale Moon, for Windows XP
>>>>>
>>>>> https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16241
>>>>>
>>>>> Summary: The answer is "sorta yes". But the devil is in
>>>>> the details, with fork piled on fork.
>>>>>
>>>> Ref: https://www.palemoon.org/download.shtml
>>>>
>>>> Hmm, Palemoon download (32/64bit) (Europe/US mirror) time out. Anyone
>>>> else experience this?
>>>>
>>> server not found.
>>> (Netherlands).
>>>
>> Google and Majorgeeks fail to connect.
>
> Thanks all for the confirmation. I'll check the site again in a few days.
>
fyi, The download problem seems to have been fixed.

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On 20.03.22 5:05, Sailfish wrote:
> Sailfish graced us with on 3/19/2022 1:29 PM:
>> Sjouke Burry graced us with on 3/19/2022 1:04 PM:
>>> On 19.03.22 20:45, Sjouke Burry wrote:
>>>> On 19.03.22 19:37, Sailfish wrote:
>>>>> Paul graced us with on 3/14/2022 7:38 PM:
>>>>>> On 3/14/2022 4:03 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>>>>> Sailfish <NIXCAPSsailfish@NIXCAPSunforgettable.com> on Mon, 14 Mar
>>>>>>> 2022 10:58:19 -0700 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>>>>>>>> pyotr filipivich graced us with on 3/11/2022 7:11 PM:
>>>>>>>>> "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> on Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:44:55
>>>>>>>>> -0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>>>>>>>>>> <howie@invalidated.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> | What is a decent browser besides Firefox?
>>>>>>>>>> |
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I use New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64).
>>>>>>>>>> They're all Firefox but the others are slimmer versions.
>>>>>>>>>> New Moon supports XP, which Moxzilla can't be bothered with
>>>>>>>>>> for Firefox.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For what it is worth, I downloaded Waterfox. After some
>>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>>> getting _all_ the bookmarks transferred, I like it. Mostly I like
>>>>>>>>> that it loads pages faster.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64)"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which of these, if any, still support XPCOM/XUL circa Fx52.9ESR?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't even know what that means, so I have no idea if it
>>>>>>> does or
>>>>>>> doesn't.
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Moon
>>>>>> XUL and XPCOM
>>>>>> Old extensions
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New Moon appears to be a fork of Pale Moon, for Windows XP
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16241
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Summary: The answer is "sorta yes". But the devil is in
>>>>>> the details, with fork piled on fork.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Ref: https://www.palemoon.org/download.shtml
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmm, Palemoon download (32/64bit) (Europe/US mirror) time out. Anyone
>>>>> else experience this?
>>>>>
>>>> server not found.
>>>> (Netherlands).
>>>>
>>> Google and Majorgeeks fail to connect.
>>
>> Thanks all for the confirmation. I'll check the site again in a few days.
>>
> fyi, The download problem seems to have been fixed.
>
Jep! got them.

Sailfish graced us with on 3/19/2022 11:37 AM:
> Paul graced us with on 3/14/2022 7:38 PM:
>> On 3/14/2022 4:03 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>> Sailfish <NIXCAPSsailfish@NIXCAPSunforgettable.com> on Mon, 14 Mar
>>> 2022 10:58:19 -0700 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>>>> pyotr filipivich graced us with on 3/11/2022 7:11 PM:
>>>>> "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> on Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:44:55
>>>>> -0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>>>>>> <howie@invalidated.com> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>> | What is a decent browser besides Firefox?
>>>>>> |
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64).
>>>>>> They're all Firefox but the others are slimmer versions.
>>>>>> New Moon supports XP, which Moxzilla can't be bothered with
>>>>>> for Firefox.
>>>>>
>>>>> For what it is worth, I downloaded Waterfox. After some issues
>>>>> getting _all_ the bookmarks transferred, I like it. Mostly I like
>>>>> that it loads pages faster.
>>>>
>>>> "New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64)"
>>>>
>>>> Which of these, if any, still support XPCOM/XUL circa Fx52.9ESR?
>>>
>>> I don't even know what that means, so I have no idea if it does or
>>> doesn't.
>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Moon
>> XUL and XPCOM
>> Old extensions
>>
>> New Moon appears to be a fork of Pale Moon, for Windows XP
>>
>> https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16241
>>
>> Summary: The answer is "sorta yes". But the devil is in
>> the details, with fork piled on fork.
>>
> Ref: https://www.palemoon.org/download.shtml
>
> Hmm, Palemoon download (32/64bit) (Europe/US mirror) time out. Anyone
> else experience this?
>
Ref: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?t=28006&p=225096#p225096

While the download web page now works, the add-ons page is broken. The
above link provides a possible reason.

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Sailfish graced us with on 3/19/2022 11:37 AM:
> Paul graced us with on 3/14/2022 7:38 PM:
>> On 3/14/2022 4:03 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>> Sailfish <NIXCAPSsailfish@NIXCAPSunforgettable.com> on Mon, 14 Mar
>>> 2022 10:58:19 -0700 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>>>> pyotr filipivich graced us with on 3/11/2022 7:11 PM:
>>>>> "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> on Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:44:55
>>>>> -0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
>>>>>> <howie@invalidated.com> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>> | What is a decent browser besides Firefox?
>>>>>> |
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64).
>>>>>> They're all Firefox but the others are slimmer versions.
>>>>>> New Moon supports XP, which Moxzilla can't be bothered with
>>>>>> for Firefox.
>>>>>
>>>>> For what it is worth, I downloaded Waterfox. After some issues
>>>>> getting _all_ the bookmarks transferred, I like it. Mostly I like
>>>>> that it loads pages faster.
>>>>
>>>> "New Moon, Pale Moon and Waterfox (on Win64)"
>>>>
>>>> Which of these, if any, still support XPCOM/XUL circa Fx52.9ESR?
>>>
>>> I don't even know what that means, so I have no idea if it does or
>>> doesn't.
>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Moon
>> XUL and XPCOM
>> Old extensions
>>
>> New Moon appears to be a fork of Pale Moon, for Windows XP
>>
>> https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16241
>>
>> Summary: The answer is "sorta yes". But the devil is in
>> the details, with fork piled on fork.
>>
> Ref: https://www.palemoon.org/download.shtml
>
> Hmm, Palemoon download (32/64bit) (Europe/US mirror) time out. Anyone
> else experience this?
>
First impressions:

1. All my showstopper extensions (TMP, Super Drag) work but not
Self-Destructing Cookies (Not a big deal since my prefs are set to
destroy cookies on close, anyway.
2. Bookmarks (places.sqlite) and password (key3.db and logins.json)
files copy/paste worked. Note: Both Fx52.9esr and Palemoon must be
closed for copy/paste to work.

More testing needed but I'm pleased the the level of compatibility AND
the ability to render and work on pages that 52.9esr faltered on.

More testing needed before ditching Fx52.9esr, though.

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On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 13:29:44 -0700, Sailfish
<NIXCAPSsailfish@NIXCAPSunforgettable.com> wrote:

>Sjouke Burry graced us with on 3/19/2022 1:04 PM:
>> On 19.03.22 20:45, Sjouke Burry wrote:
>>> On 19.03.22 19:37, Sailfish wrote:
>>>> Ref: https://www.palemoon.org/download.shtml
>>>>
>>>> Hmm, Palemoon download (32/64bit) (Europe/US mirror) time out. Anyone
>>>> else experience this?
>>>>
>>> server not found.
>>> (Netherlands).
>>>
>> Google and Majorgeeks fail to connect.
>
>Thanks all for the confirmation. I'll check the site again in a few days.

It's working fine for me just now. Probably a temporary glitch.

Sailfish graced us with on 3/20/2022 10:12 AM:
> Sailfish graced us with on 3/19/2022 11:37 AM:
>> Ref: https://www.palemoon.org/download.shtml
>>
>> Hmm, Palemoon download (32/64bit) (Europe/US mirror) time out. Anyone
>> else experience this?
>>
> First impressions:
>
> 1. All my showstopper extensions (TMP, Super Drag) work but not
> Self-Destructing Cookies (Not a big deal since my prefs are set to
> destroy cookies on close, anyway.
> 2. Bookmarks (places.sqlite) and password (key3.db and logins.json)
> files copy/paste worked. Note: Both Fx52.9esr and Palemoon must be
> closed for copy/paste to work.
>
> More testing needed but I'm pleased the the level of compatibility AND
> the ability to render and work on pages that 52.9esr faltered on.
>
> More testing needed before ditching Fx52.9esr, though.
>
I'm unsure where Pale Moon discussions should go since I couldn't find a
group for it so I'll post an update here. btw, these themes should work
on any platofrm (Windows, MacOS, Linux) that supports Pale Moon.

Added themes for Pale Moon v30+

For those who reminisce on the Netscape 9 Netstripe theme of the great
work done by designer, Andy Fraley. I later updated and ported his theme
to Firefox 28.x after Netscape 9 gave up the ghost, so to speak, and
renamed it Simple Green. Then later made another derivative and named it
Simply Blue.

I recently installed Pale Moon and noticed that its architecture appears
to be built on pre-Australis XPCOM/XUL with updated features. While
their default theme works and looks great, I prefer a bit more color to
my browser chrome and so I updated both the Simple Green and Simply Blue
themes to now also work with Pale Moon.

There are two methods for installing them; via my website or downloading
the theme jar file from my website and using the Add-on manager screen
and electing to install them from the downloaded file. The later
approach would allow one to interrogate the theme .jar* file source
beforehand, if they prefer.

Website: https://projectit.com/
Simple Green Download:
https://www.projectit.com/moz_addons/simplegreen_fx280_tb240_pm28+.jar
Simply Blue Download:
https://www.projectit.com/moz_addons/simplyblue_fx280_tb240_pm28+.jar

* Note: theme jar files are zip files with the extension changed to "jar"

Additionally, Pale Moon has an Add-ons page but, as yet, I've not had
time to discover how to make add-ons available to/from it, see
https://archive.palemoon.org/addons/fxguid/

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