Hi everybody!

Comparing LTS 22.04.3 and 23.10, I saw that LTS is a little bit behind
most recent software releases. 23.10. is more up-to-date, but they say,
support will end in April or so.

To be on the safe side, the installation should then be updated.

So, my question - When doing a "distro-upgrade" or how this is called,
i.e. overwriting an existing OS with the newest version:

Does the installer look which packages are installed and replaces them
with the related ones from the new OS, or is this like a complete re-
install from scratch, and the user has to look which packages to install?

And, yes, I know this should be a newbie question...:-)

Thanks!

Best regards,

Markus

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On 2023-11-08, Markus Robert Kessler <no_reply@dipl-ing-kessler.de> wrote:
> Hi everybody!
>
> Comparing LTS 22.04.3 and 23.10, I saw that LTS is a little bit behind
> most recent software releases. 23.10. is more up-to-date, but they say,
> support will end in April or so.
>
> To be on the safe side, the installation should then be updated.
>
> So, my question - When doing a "distro-upgrade" or how this is called,
> i.e. overwriting an existing OS with the newest version:
>
> Does the installer look which packages are installed and replaces them
> with the related ones from the new OS, or is this like a complete re-
> install from scratch, and the user has to look which packages to install?
>
> And, yes, I know this should be a newbie question...:-)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Markus
>
>
If everything goes alright, your packages would be just upgraded...

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On 11/8/23 09:39, Markus Robert Kessler wrote:
> Hi everybody!
>
> Comparing LTS 22.04.3 and 23.10, I saw that LTS is a little bit behind
> most recent software releases. 23.10. is more up-to-date, but they say,
> support will end in April or so.
>
> To be on the safe side, the installation should then be updated.
>
> So, my question - When doing a "distro-upgrade" or how this is called,
> i.e. overwriting an existing OS with the newest version:
>
> Does the installer look which packages are installed and replaces them
> with the related ones from the new OS, or is this like a complete re-
> install from scratch, and the user has to look which packages to install?
>
> And, yes, I know this should be a newbie question...:-)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Markus

Markus not an'buntu user but I would wait a few months to April for the
latest LTS release. If you are dong your updates as all users
should then you should be able to keep up to date on security and other
matters.

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On 11/8/2023 12:39 PM, Markus Robert Kessler wrote:
> Hi everybody!
>
> Comparing LTS 22.04.3 and 23.10, I saw that LTS is a little bit behind
> most recent software releases. 23.10. is more up-to-date, but they say,
> support will end in April or so.
>
> To be on the safe side, the installation should then be updated.
>
> So, my question - When doing a "distro-upgrade" or how this is called,
> i.e. overwriting an existing OS with the newest version:
>
> Does the installer look which packages are installed and replaces them
> with the related ones from the new OS, or is this like a complete re-
> install from scratch, and the user has to look which packages to install?
>
> And, yes, I know this should be a newbie question...:-)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Markus
>
>

You can see an option here, to control steering from LTS to LTS, or
picking up the next short release instead.

https://www.linuxtechi.com/upgrade-ubuntu-18-04-lts-to-ubuntu-20-04-lts/

In this example, you get the impression that installed packages are
being handled for you, when you move to the next release. It is not
paving your OS flat, losing all customization. Normally, you wait
to 20.04.1 to upgrade from 18.04 , as then there should be fewer packages
held back (handled manually).

https://askubuntu.com/questions/601/the-following-packages-have-been-kept-back-why-and-how-do-i-solve-it

Paul

Am 08.11.2023 um 17:39:33 Uhr schrieb Markus Robert Kessler:

> Comparing LTS 22.04.3 and 23.10, I saw that LTS is a little bit
> behind most recent software releases. 23.10. is more up-to-date, but
> they say, support will end in April or so.
>
> To be on the safe side, the installation should then be updated.

LTS gives you 5 years of support for the software in "main" repo.
For all others, different support lifecycle exists.

The idea of LTS is to only fix bugs and not to include new versions to
have less changes.

STS (uneven number or .10) gives only 9 months.

On 2023-11-08, Markus Robert Kessler wrote:
> Hi everybody!
>
> Comparing LTS 22.04.3 and 23.10, I saw that LTS is a little bit behind
> most recent software releases. 23.10. is more up-to-date, but they say,
> support will end in April or so.

Do note that version numbers don't mean everything -- the Ubuntu
security team will backport any security patches as necessary WITHOUT
changing version numbers (as much as possible).

Also, new versions might introduce new bugs :)

>
> To be on the safe side, the installation should then be updated.

No, you don't need to go from LTS to a STS / Testing releasse. In fact,
the majority of people should just stick with the LTS release, and only
upgrade when LTS releases come out (April of "even" years -- next one is
going to be April 2024).

>
> So, my question - When doing a "distro-upgrade" or how this is called,
> i.e. overwriting an existing OS with the newest version:
>
> Does the installer look which packages are installed and replaces them
> with the related ones from the new OS, or is this like a complete re-
> install from scratch, and the user has to look which packages to install?

If and only if you're using the given "in place upgrade" instructions.
If you use the install USB, it'll just pave over everything and start
from scratch.

>
> And, yes, I know this should be a newbie question...:-)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Markus
>
>

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Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> writes:

> LTS gives you 5 years of support for the software in "main" repo.
> For all others, different support lifecycle exists.

It's actually ten years now, at least on x86-64. I was hoping I could
utilize this on my Raspberry Pi box but it's not available on ARM. at
least so far. There are a few hoops to jump through for this but it's
still free support.

Markus Robert Kessler <no_reply@dipl-ing-kessler.de> writes:
> Comparing LTS 22.04.3 and 23.10, I saw that LTS is a little bit behind
> most recent software releases. 23.10. is more up-to-date, but they say,
> support will end in April or so.
>
> To be on the safe side, the installation should then be updated.
>
> So, my question - When doing a "distro-upgrade" or how this is called,
> i.e. overwriting an existing OS with the newest version:
>
> Does the installer look which packages are installed and replaces them
> with the related ones from the new OS, or is this like a complete re-
> install from scratch, and the user has to look which packages to install?

The former.

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On 11/9/2023 4:48 AM, Anssi Saari wrote:
> Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> writes:
>
>> LTS gives you 5 years of support for the software in "main" repo.
>> For all others, different support lifecycle exists.
>
> It's actually ten years now, at least on x86-64. I was hoping I could
> utilize this on my Raspberry Pi box but it's not available on ARM. at
> least so far. There are a few hoops to jump through for this but it's
> still free support.
>

That's a Canonical business plan.

Five years of regular life. Five years of Extended support which
is pay-as-you-go. This is similar to Microsoft Support, where a
few years of Extended support are available after the EOL, and there
is payment for that option.

https://ubuntu.com/security/esm # Scroll down to see which packages are covered.

Canonical is attempting to build a business based on Support,
so you could kind of predict such an offering could happen.
It all depends on what it costs them to implement it.

Paul

Am 09.11.2023 um 11:48:13 Uhr schrieb Anssi Saari:

> It's actually ten years now, at least on x86-64.

That is Ubuntu Pro and currently it is free for private users, but that
may change in future.

Am 09.11.2023 um 09:30:06 Uhr schrieb Dan Purgert:

> Do note that version numbers don't mean everything -- the Ubuntu
> security team will backport any security patches as necessary WITHOUT
> changing version numbers (as much as possible).

That only applies to the main section. For restricted, it is only
possible if source code is available.
universe/multiverse isn't officially supported by Canonical and most
packages aren't updated.

Ubuntu Pro may change that.

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> writes:

> On 11/9/2023 4:48 AM, Anssi Saari wrote:
>> Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> writes:
>>
>>> LTS gives you 5 years of support for the software in "main" repo.
>>> For all others, different support lifecycle exists.
>>
>> It's actually ten years now, at least on x86-64. I was hoping I could
>> utilize this on my Raspberry Pi box but it's not available on ARM. at
>> least so far. There are a few hoops to jump through for this but it's
>> still free support.
>>
>
> That's a Canonical business plan.

Hey, don't take my word for it. It's free but what can you do. Here's
Canonical's blurb about the free support from https://ubuntu.com/pro:

"Ubuntu Pro

The most comprehensive subscription
for open-source software security

30-day trial for enterprises. Always *free* for personal use."

That wasn't so hard now was it? Free support is free support. I'm pretty
sure I first saw this free offer right here in this group.

Unfortunately, my only Ubuntu machine is a Raspberry Pi which runs
32-bit Ubuntu on armhf architecture and it's not included in this
generous free offer.

I could go arm64 on it but we'll see. It's running
20.04 LTS so I have some time to consider my alternatives.