"We're in a very strange moment for the internet. We all know it's
broken. That's not news. But there's something in air--a vibe shift,
a sense that things are about to change. For the first time in years, it
feels as though something truly new and different might be happening
with the way we communicate online. The stranglehold that the big social
platforms have had on us for the last decade is weakening. The question
is: What do we want to come next?"

https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/10/17/1081194/how-to-fix-the-internet-online-discourse/

On 10/21/2023 2:59 PM, Paul W. Schleck wrote:
> "We're in a very strange moment for the internet. We all know it's
> broken. That's not news. But there's something in air--a vibe shift,
> a sense that things are about to change. For the first time in years, it
> feels as though something truly new and different might be happening
> with the way we communicate online. The stranglehold that the big social
> platforms have had on us for the last decade is weakening. The question
> is: What do we want to come next?"
>
> https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/10/17/1081194/how-to-fix-the-internet-online-discourse/

You do nothing, with the exception of a caveat explaining the internet
is probably much more dangerous to you than you think, and you should
seriously consider everything you do on it carefully. People should
already know this, but people are dumb and need to be told.

Because, I don't trust you to be the one to make the changes and decide
what is acceptable, and you probably would feel the same about me doing
it. Just leave it alone and it will sort itself out.

In <uh1jol$20cjk$1@dont-email.me> sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> writes:

>On 10/21/2023 2:59 PM, Paul W. Schleck wrote:
>> "We're in a very strange moment for the internet. We all know it's
>> broken. That's not news. But there's something in air--a vibe shift,
>> a sense that things are about to change. For the first time in years, it
>> feels as though something truly new and different might be happening
>> with the way we communicate online. The stranglehold that the big social
>> platforms have had on us for the last decade is weakening. The question
>> is: What do we want to come next?"
>>
>> https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/10/17/1081194/how-to-fix-the-internet-online-discourse/

>You do nothing, with the exception of a caveat explaining the internet
>is probably much more dangerous to you than you think, and you should
>seriously consider everything you do on it carefully. People should
>already know this, but people are dumb and need to be told.

>Because, I don't trust you to be the one to make the changes and decide
>what is acceptable, and you probably would feel the same about me doing
>it. Just leave it alone and it will sort itself out.

There's no such thing as a perfect Anarcho-Utopia, whether Wild West,
Fight Club, pseudo-governments on abandoned off-shore platforms, or
sovereign citizen movements. The world will not accept the argument of,
"Well, we warned you, so it's not our fault," nor the empty promise of,
"If you just leave us alone, we will only hurt those that consent to
it." Efforts at "100% free speech" platforms will always fail, because
they can't stay in the test tube, and the world will intrude.

Besides, I don't think that anyone here is running for Dictator of the
Internet. Certainly not me. If anything, I have advocated for
community-based consensus, administration, and governance.

--
Paul W. Schleck
pschleck@panix.com

On 10/29/2023 10:14 AM, Paul W. Schleck wrote:
> In <uh1jol$20cjk$1@dont-email.me> sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> writes:
>
>> On 10/21/2023 2:59 PM, Paul W. Schleck wrote:
>>> "We're in a very strange moment for the internet. We all know it's
>>> broken. That's not news. But there's something in air--a vibe shift,
>>> a sense that things are about to change. For the first time in years, it
>>> feels as though something truly new and different might be happening
>>> with the way we communicate online. The stranglehold that the big social
>>> platforms have had on us for the last decade is weakening. The question
>>> is: What do we want to come next?"
>>>
>>> https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/10/17/1081194/how-to-fix-the-internet-online-discourse/
>
>> You do nothing, with the exception of a caveat explaining the internet
>> is probably much more dangerous to you than you think, and you should
>> seriously consider everything you do on it carefully. People should
>> already know this, but people are dumb and need to be told.
>
>> Because, I don't trust you to be the one to make the changes and decide
>> what is acceptable, and you probably would feel the same about me doing
>> it. Just leave it alone and it will sort itself out.
>
> There's no such thing as a perfect Anarcho-Utopia, whether Wild West,
> Fight Club, pseudo-governments on abandoned off-shore platforms, or
> sovereign citizen movements. The world will not accept the argument of,
> "Well, we warned you, so it's not our fault," nor the empty promise of,
> "If you just leave us alone, we will only hurt those that consent to
> it." Efforts at "100% free speech" platforms will always fail, because
> they can't stay in the test tube, and the world will intrude.

Those who can't win legitimate debate, always resort to straw-man
tactics. Let's try and limit the discussion to the net, please.

> Besides, I don't think that anyone here is running for Dictator of the
> Internet. Certainly not me. If anything, I have advocated for
> community-based consensus, administration, and governance.

First, an author who willing seems to agree with and use the conclusions
of a humanity hating person like Yoel Roth, you have to take with a
grain of salt.
You are not advocating for a "Dictator" run styled internet. You're
more along the lines of a Marxist styled environment run by a group of
administrators who have been chosen because of their superior values and
selfless motivation. It never works. There is always corruption, and
the stealing of freedom and wealth from the middle class. Your group
will just now be the ones who get to pick the winners and losers. It's
already happening, and has been for years.

I think it's evil, and based on the usual lies. Sometimes intentional,
others simply sophomoric in their logic. At which point I go back to my
original statement that you let it work it out on it's own with as
little governmental interference, regulation, and control as possible.
Let the users decide what they want. People are getting more
knowledgeable, and will refuse participation if things need change. I
simply do not trust any of the world or nation state governing entities
to act honorably. They've not shown any reason to trust them at this
point in time. Though the numbers are great, people were not meant to
be sheep.

Paul W. Schleck <pschleck@panix.com> wrote:
>Besides, I don't think that anyone here is running for Dictator of the
>Internet. Certainly not me. If anything, I have advocated for
>community-based consensus, administration, and governance.

Wasn't Roger Carasso the self-proclaimed Dictator of the Internet?
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

In <uhscrr$o26$1@panix2.panix.com> kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:

>Paul W. Schleck <pschleck@panix.com> wrote:
>>Besides, I don't think that anyone here is running for Dictator of the
>>Internet. Certainly not me. If anything, I have advocated for
>>community-based consensus, administration, and governance.

>Wasn't Roger Carasso the self-proclaimed Dictator of the Internet?

Seems that he was an interesting Net.Legend. The closest quote that I
could find from him was that he claimed to be the "FOUNDER of the
Internet." Of course, that isn't true, either.

https://talk.bizarre.narkive.com/GahHZ257/roger-carasso-please-sign-in

https://web.elastic.org/~fche/blog4/posts/blog-0256/

--
Paul W. Schleck
pschleck@panix.com

In article <ui8d71$ei9$1@reader2.panix.com>,
Paul W. Schleck <pschleck@panix.com> wrote:
>In <uhscrr$o26$1@panix2.panix.com> kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:
>
>>Paul W. Schleck <pschleck@panix.com> wrote:
>>>Besides, I don't think that anyone here is running for Dictator of the
>>>Internet. Certainly not me. If anything, I have advocated for
>>>community-based consensus, administration, and governance.
>
>>Wasn't Roger Carasso the self-proclaimed Dictator of the Internet?
>
>Seems that he was an interesting Net.Legend. The closest quote that I
>could find from him was that he claimed to be the "FOUNDER of the
>Internet." Of course, that isn't true, either.

RDC did not invent trolling but he brought it to the level of an art
form. We will not see his like again.

There is a whole generation of Usenet users whose first association
with the Disney Monorail will be that of oral sex. We have RDC to thank
for this.
--scott
>
>https://talk.bizarre.narkive.com/GahHZ257/roger-carasso-please-sign-in
>
>https://web.elastic.org/~fche/blog4/posts/blog-0256/
>
>--
>Paul W. Schleck
>pschleck@panix.com
>

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."