On 2021-12-24 2:17 p.m., ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 12/24/2021 9:59 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
>>> On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 14:35:33 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 at 17:33:40, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
>>>> wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
>>>>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 22:54:39 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>>>>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone know how to change the coin cell on this motherboard?
>>>> []
>>>>> Here's the first hit on Youtube of a British-sounding guy who
>>>>> needed to
>>>>> replace the battery, which he calls a BETT-ree. In his case, the
>>>>
>>>> [Strictly, it's a cell ...(-:]
>>>
>>> I know. I've seen you having that conversation before. :-)
>>> One cell does not a battery make, eh?
>>
>>
>> Even though I know that, I always say "battery," not "cell."
> A single AA battery is one cell.
>  one anode, one cathode, between the electroyte
> A car battery 12v is six cells.
> A 12 volt lithium battery is 4 cells.

A 9 volt battery is 6 cells
A vintage 32 volt lighting system was 16 cells
An older POTS 48 volt backup system was 24 cells
Our concert Hall had a 110 volt emergency light system of 55 cells.
Electric cars have umpteen dozen cells. :-)

Wishing a Merry and Happy Christmas to all, and stay well

Rene

On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 at 13:17:47, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote
(my responses usually follow points raised):
>Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 12/24/2021 9:59 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
[]
>>> I know. I've seen you having that conversation before. :-)
>>> One cell does not a battery make, eh?

Correct*

>> Even though I know that, I always say "battery," not "cell."

As do most people.

>A single AA battery is one cell.

It's one cell, yes; it isn't* a battery.

> one anode, one cathode, between the electroyte
>A car battery 12v is six cells.

Yes

>A 12 volt lithium battery is 4 cells.
>
Yes

* I know (my brother works for the dictionary) that language changes;
I'm sure now "battery" _does_ include single cells. I just remember a
time when (at least among technical people - the use among non-technical
people probably predates me, or at least my memory) when it didn't.

I don't think it ever changed with artillery: I don't think I've ever
heard a single cannon/gun referred to as a battery.

I have an amusing piece of artwork: it shows a wall on which is written
"AA meeting", and before it single examples of several different brands
of that size of cell are standing ... (-:
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

It is important to write so that you can be understood. It is far more
important to write so that you cannot be misunderstood.

On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 at 12:39:23, Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> wrote
(my responses usually follow points raised):
>On 12/24/2021 10:54 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>> On 2021-12-24 4:23 a.m., Piet wrote:
>>> Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>> Patrick wrote:
>>>>> 8 screws underneath the motherboard;
>>>>> https://youtu.be/aSTTR_WVtx0?t=147
>>>>
>>>> That was a real brilliant idea *not*,  the screws from the back of the
>>>> M/B !!!
>>>> the brainiac who thought that one up should have all his pant zippers
>>>> and buttons put on the back of his pants.
>>>
>>> Would that make the M/B coin cell easier accessible?
>>>
>>> -p
>>>
>> Not that one, but the idiot may think a little harder on his future
>>ideas.
>> Rene
>
>Reminds me of mechanical engineering school and first design/drawing
>class where many came up with terrific designs that could not be
>disassembled after final assembly. Magic needed!

Much modern low-cost electronics (I suppose and other things; I notice
it more for electronics) is in snap-shut cases (usually plastic), which
indeed cannot be opened once closed. If you're ultra-cynical you say
designed-in obsolescence; I'd say in some cases that's only a (though
arguably welcome from the manufacturer's point of view!) side-effect,
and is just to save the cost of fasteners (and the time and tooling to
apply them). (PSU bricks for example - though there they can claim a
safety intention too.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

It is important to write so that you can be understood. It is far more
important to write so that you cannot be misunderstood.

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote

>> A single AA battery is one cell.

> It's one cell, yes; it isn't* a battery.

> * I know (my brother works for the dictionary) that language changes;
> I'm sure now "battery" _does_ include single cells.

My Energizer AA20 package brags that they are "The worlds #1 longest
lasting AA battery". And my Duracell AA20 package warns not to insert
the "batteries" backwards and to replace all used "batteries" at the
same time. So it appears the cell companies are OK with the new
battery definition......

On 2021-12-24 9:49 p.m., AJL wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>> w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>> A single AA battery is one cell.
>
>> It's one cell, yes; it isn't* a battery.
>
>> * I know (my brother works for the dictionary) that language changes;
>>  I'm sure now "battery" _does_ include single cells.
>
> My Energizer AA20 package brags that they are "The worlds #1 longest
> lasting AA battery". And my Duracell AA20 package warns not to insert
> the "batteries" backwards and to replace all used "batteries" at the
> same time. So it appears the cell companies are OK with the new
> battery definition......
>

Yes, that's true, Even I say CMOS battery when I know it is technically
a cell

But if you really want the real stuff, A diesel Electric submarine of
World war II vintage had 2 batteries, each battery consisted of 126
cells in series, each cell was 16 inches wide x 21 inches deep and 54
inches high, and weighed 1650 lbs. the 2 batteries weighed about 210
tons total.
Each battery had an output of approx 250 to 325 volts and when both were
hooked up in parallel they could put out about 15,000 Amps DC. :-)

Rene

Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> On 2021-12-24 9:49 p.m., AJL wrote:
>> J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>> w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> A single AA battery is one cell.

>>> It's one cell, yes; it isn't* a battery.

>>> * I know (my brother works for the dictionary) that language
>>> changes; I'm sure now "battery" _does_ include single cells.

>> My Energizer AA20 package brags that they are "The worlds #1
>> longest lasting AA battery". And my Duracell AA20 package warns not
>> to insert the "batteries" backwards and to replace all used
>> "batteries" at the same time. So it appears the cell companies are
>> OK with the new battery definition......

> Yes, that's true, Even I say CMOS battery when I know it is
> technically a cell

> But if you really want the real stuff, A diesel Electric submarine of
> World war II vintage had 2 batteries, each battery consisted of 126
> cells in series, each cell was 16 inches wide x 21 inches deep and 54
> inches high, and weighed 1650 lbs. the 2 batteries weighed about 210
> tons total. Each battery had an output of approx 250 to 325 volts and
> when both were hooked up in parallel they could put out about 15,000
> Amps DC. :-)

Interesting but ancient history. Words change. During WW2 people were
often gay when we won a battle. Don't think that word use would fly
these days...

On 12/24/2021 11:12 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> On 2021-12-24 9:49 p.m., AJL wrote:
>> J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>> w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>> A single AA battery is one cell.
>>
>>> It's one cell, yes; it isn't* a battery.
>>
>>> * I know (my brother works for the dictionary) that language changes;
>>>  I'm sure now "battery" _does_ include single cells.
>>
>> My Energizer AA20 package brags that they are "The worlds #1 longest
>> lasting AA battery". And my Duracell AA20 package warns not to insert
>> the "batteries" backwards and to replace all used "batteries" at the
>> same time. So it appears the cell companies are OK with the new
>> battery definition......
>>
>
> Yes, that's true, Even I say CMOS battery when I know it is technically a cell
>
> But if you really want the real stuff, A diesel Electric submarine of World war II vintage had 2 batteries, each battery consisted of 126 cells in series, each cell was 16 inches wide x 21 inches deep and 54 inches high, and weighed 1650 lbs. the 2 batteries weighed about 210 tons total.
> Each battery had an output of approx 250 to 325 volts and when both were hooked up in parallel they could put out about 15,000 Amps DC.  :-)
>
> Rene

So I take it you plug in your shaver and it gets 325V DC ?

I hope the outlets are well marked.

Paul

On 12/24/2021 6:59 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 at 13:17:47, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote
> (my responses usually follow points raised):
>>Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On 12/24/2021 9:59 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
> []
>>>> I know. I've seen you having that conversation before. :-)
>>>> One cell does not a battery make, eh?
>
> Correct*
>
>>> Even though I know that, I always say "battery," not "cell."
>
> As do most people.
>
>>A single AA battery is one cell.
>
> It's one cell, yes; it isn't* a battery.

I'm not sure about the UK, but in the US, the word "battery" has almost
completely replaced "cell." You are technically correct, but what you
say is almost always completely useless. If I were to walk into a
hardware store and ask for a cell for my flashlight (torch), nobody
would know what I was talking about.

On 2021-12-24 11:33 p.m., Paul wrote:
> On 12/24/2021 11:12 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>> On 2021-12-24 9:49 p.m., AJL wrote:
>>> J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>>> w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>>> A single AA battery is one cell.
>>>
>>>> It's one cell, yes; it isn't* a battery.
>>>
>>>> * I know (my brother works for the dictionary) that language changes;
>>>>  I'm sure now "battery" _does_ include single cells.
>>>
>>> My Energizer AA20 package brags that they are "The worlds #1 longest
>>> lasting AA battery". And my Duracell AA20 package warns not to insert
>>> the "batteries" backwards and to replace all used "batteries" at the
>>> same time. So it appears the cell companies are OK with the new
>>> battery definition......
>>>
>>
>> Yes, that's true, Even I say CMOS battery when I know it is
>> technically a cell
>>
>> But if you really want the real stuff, A diesel Electric submarine of
>> World war II vintage had 2 batteries, each battery consisted of 126
>> cells in series, each cell was 16 inches wide x 21 inches deep and 54
>> inches high, and weighed 1650 lbs. the 2 batteries weighed about 210
>> tons total.
>> Each battery had an output of approx 250 to 325 volts and when both
>> were hooked up in parallel they could put out about 15,000 Amps DC.  :-)
>>
>> Rene
>
> So I take it you plug in your shaver and it gets 325V DC ?
>
> I hope the outlets are well marked.
>
>    Paul
>
>

Called a *quickshave* :-)

Rene

On 2021-12-25 10:03 a.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> On 2021-12-24 11:33 p.m., Paul wrote:
>> On 12/24/2021 11:12 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>> On 2021-12-24 9:49 p.m., AJL wrote:
>>>> J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>>>> w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>> A single AA battery is one cell.
>>>>
>>>>> It's one cell, yes; it isn't* a battery.
>>>>
>>>>> * I know (my brother works for the dictionary) that language changes;
>>>>>  I'm sure now "battery" _does_ include single cells.
>>>>
>>>> My Energizer AA20 package brags that they are "The worlds #1 longest
>>>> lasting AA battery". And my Duracell AA20 package warns not to insert
>>>> the "batteries" backwards and to replace all used "batteries" at the
>>>> same time. So it appears the cell companies are OK with the new
>>>> battery definition......
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, that's true, Even I say CMOS battery when I know it is
>>> technically a cell
>>>
>>> But if you really want the real stuff, A diesel Electric submarine of
>>> World war II vintage had 2 batteries, each battery consisted of 126
>>> cells in series, each cell was 16 inches wide x 21 inches deep and 54
>>> inches high, and weighed 1650 lbs. the 2 batteries weighed about 210
>>> tons total.
>>> Each battery had an output of approx 250 to 325 volts and when both
>>> were hooked up in parallel they could put out about 15,000 Amps DC.  :-)
>>>
>>> Rene
>>
>> So I take it you plug in your shaver and it gets 325V DC ?
>>
>> I hope the outlets are well marked.
>>
>>     Paul
>>
>>
>
> Called a *quickshave* :-)
>
> Rene

Or a good 'fast' charger for your "Cell' phone. :-)

Rene

Ken Blake <Ken@invalidinvalid.com> wrote:
[...]

> I'm not sure about the UK, but in the US, the word "battery" has almost
> completely replaced "cell." You are technically correct, but what you
> say is almost always completely useless. If I were to walk into a
> hardware store and ask for a cell for my flashlight (torch), nobody
> would know what I was talking about.

Likewise 'here' (NL/EU (rest of the world)) when we walk into a shop
and say we want a 'cell phone'. In NL, the sales person would probably
say "Those hardly exist anymore!", implicitly referring to a phone
booth (Dutch 'telefoon cel' (phone cell)).