T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 10/23/23 19:44, Big Al wrote:
>> On 10/23/23 08:41 PM, this is what T wrote:
>>> On 10/22/23 22:12, Wally J wrote:
>>>> I was trying to help someone when I looked up the Sumo
>>>
>>> Thank you for the heads up!!!!
>>>
>>> I use Sumo a lot on customer's PCI compliant machines.
>>>
>>> You have a favorite replacement?
>>>
>> In my quick 2 second look, if I read Sumo right, it's much like PatchmyPC.
>> https://patchmypc.com/home-updater
>
> Patchmy PC evaluation:
>
> 1) not a thorough as SUMo. Misses driver that are out of date (AMS)
>
> 2) worky interface
>
> 3) does not differentiate critical for just out of date
>
> Basically, sort of good, but I will continue looking for better.

Hopefully that is a [portable] tool that just you uses to check for
updates, and you don't leave it on the customers computer for them to
fuck up on deciding if and what to update.

On this Thu, 26 Oct 2023 23:44:54 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 10/23/23 19:44, Big Al wrote:
>>> On 10/23/23 08:41 PM, this is what T wrote:
>>>> On 10/22/23 22:12, Wally J wrote:
>>>>> I was trying to help someone when I looked up the Sumo
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for the heads up!!!!
>>>>
>>>> I use Sumo a lot on customer's PCI compliant machines.
>>>>
>>>> You have a favorite replacement?
>>>>
>>> In my quick 2 second look, if I read Sumo right, it's much like PatchmyPC.
>>> https://patchmypc.com/home-updater
>>
>> Patchmy PC evaluation:
>>
>> 1) not a thorough as SUMo. Misses driver that are out of date (AMS)
>>
>> 2) worky interface
>>
>> 3) does not differentiate critical for just out of date
>>
>> Basically, sort of good, but I will continue looking for better.
>
> Hopefully that is a [portable] tool that just you uses to check for
> updates, and you don't leave it on the customers computer for them to
> fuck up on deciding if and what to update.

T said SUMo "misses drivers" that are out of date but that's not what SUMo
is for. Instead DUMo is what is used to find drivers which are out of date.

On 10/26/23 21:44, VanguardLH wrote:
> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 10/23/23 19:44, Big Al wrote:
>>> On 10/23/23 08:41 PM, this is what T wrote:
>>>> On 10/22/23 22:12, Wally J wrote:
>>>>> I was trying to help someone when I looked up the Sumo
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for the heads up!!!!
>>>>
>>>> I use Sumo a lot on customer's PCI compliant machines.
>>>>
>>>> You have a favorite replacement?
>>>>
>>> In my quick 2 second look, if I read Sumo right, it's much like PatchmyPC.
>>> https://patchmypc.com/home-updater
>>
>> Patchmy PC evaluation:
>>
>> 1) not a thorough as SUMo. Misses driver that are out of date (AMS)
>>
>> 2) worky interface
>>
>> 3) does not differentiate critical for just out of date
>>
>> Basically, sort of good, but I will continue looking for better.
>
> Hopefully that is a [portable] tool that just you uses to check for
> updates, and you don't leave it on the customers computer for them to
> fuck up on deciding if and what to update.

They would not know how. And they can't find where I put
my utilities. It is not hard, they just don't know how
to use the file system.

SUMo wrote me this:

> Hello,
>
> After about 20 years of a fantastic adventure, and due to the general context, we have taken the decision to stop. Several good alternatives are on the market... but we hope you enjoyed our products up to now.
>
> Products will reach EOL, which means that they will stop to work quickly after this date, depending on the progressive decommissioning of the server architecture. As indicated on our "buy" page, the product (and activation licence) "lifetime" ends at EOL https://kcsoftwares.com/?buy
>
> While SUMo was an "aged" product, based on technology from 2 decades ago, I'm confident that the developper's community will soon come with a better, more modern, future-proof alternative.
>
> Of course I could quote one of the many good updaters on the market : UCheck, VulnDetect, PatchMyPC, WingetUI, UpdateHub, Chocolatey, Scoop and certainly more.
>
> Some other actors of this market (such as UCheck CEO) are already monitoring this : https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/sumo-keep-your-software-up-to-date.314623/page-197#post-3162762
>
> I hope you enjoyed SUMo and that it has been a useful software for you up to now.

PatchMyPC does not show "critical" updates.

I am researching UCheck and VulnDetect.

You have any suggestions?

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote

> SUMo wrote me this:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> After about 20 years of a fantastic adventure, and due to the general context,
>> we have taken the decision to stop. Several good alternatives are on the market...
>> but we hope you enjoyed our products up to now.
>>
>> Products will reach EOL, which means that they will stop to work quickly
>> after this date, depending on the progressive decommissioning of the server
>> architecture. As indicated on our "buy" page, the product (and activation licence)
>> "lifetime" ends at EOL https://kcsoftwares.com/?buy
>>
>> While SUMo was an "aged" product, based on technology from 2 decades ago,
>> I'm confident that the developper's community will soon come with a better,
>> more modern, future-proof alternative.
>>
>> Of course I could quote one of the many good updaters on the market
>> UCheck, VulnDetect, PatchMyPC, WingetUI, UpdateHub, Chocolatey, Scoop
>> and certainly more.
>>
>> Some other actors of this market (such as UCheck CEO) are already
>> monitoring this :
>> https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/sumo-keep-your-software-up-to-date.314623/page-197#post-3162762
>>
>> I hope you enjoyed SUMo and that it has been a useful software for you up to now.

Thank you for unearthing from the KC Softwares team the alternatives.
UCheck, VulnDetect, PatchMyPC, WingetUI, UpdateHub, Chocolatey, Scoop
<https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/sumo-keep-your-software-up-to-date.314623/page-197#post-3162762>

So that others don't have to go through the sheer hell I just went through,
here is my download log which I provide to you for you to further improve
(so that everyone benefits from our sequential actions working together).

In alphabetical order...
C:\> cd C:\software\updaters\.
C:\> mkdir {chocolatey,patchmypc,scoop,ucheck,updatehub,vulndetect,wingetui}

*chocolatey* v2.2.2
"Chocolatey is the package manager for Windows (like apt-get for Windows)"
<https://chocolatey.org/products/#foss>
<https://chocolatey.org/install>
<https://community.chocolatey.org/>
<https://community.chocolatey.org/packages>
<https://community.chocolatey.org/packages/chocolatey>
<https://packages.chocolatey.org/chocolatey.2.2.2.nupkg>
Name: chocolatey.2.2.2.nupkg
Size: 5243268 bytes (5120 KiB)
SHA256: 4E1ACBDAC571719F90B2566566668C448A20074E7C2E3FAA37251C62AF4EFD86

*patchmypc*
"Simplify third-party patching on your home PC"
<https://patchmypc.com/home-updater#download>
<https://patchmypc.com/freeupdater/PatchMyPC.exe>
Name: PatchMyPC.exe
Size: 2596472 bytes (2535 KiB)
SHA256: D5A2DDBA0EE5C577268D69BBC129046D48F36C8306C8A57D4F6B2E2DED193202

*scoop*
"Scoop is a command-line installer for Windows."
<https://github.com/ScoopInstaller/Scoop>
<https://www.makeuseof.com/windows-install-scoop/>
PS:> iwr -useb get.scoop.sh | iex
Running the installer as administrator is disabled by default,
see https://github.com/ScoopInstaller/Install#for-admin for details.
PowerShell requires an execution policy in [Unrestricted, RemoteSigned, ByPass]
to run Scoop. For example, to set the execution policy to 'RemoteSigned'
please run 'Set-ExecutionPolicy RemoteSigned -Scope CurrentUser'.
PS:> Set-ExecutionPolicy RemoteSigned -Scope CurrentUser
Initializing...
Downloading ...
Extracting...
Creating shim...
Adding ~\scoop\shims to your path.
Scoop was installed successfully!
Type 'scoop help' for instructions.
PS:> scoop uninstall scoop
WARN This will uninstall Scoop and all the programs that have been installed with Scoop!
Are you sure? (yN): Y
Removing ~\scoop\shims from your path.
Scoop has been uninstalled.

*ucheck*
"Free,Scan,Install Updates,Uninstall Software,Personal Use Only:
<https://www.adlice.com/ucheck/>
<https://download.adlice.com/api?action=download&app=ucheck&type=setup>
<https://cloud.adlice.com/owncloud/index.php/s/zhvgtK8oXyJ6Gru/download?path=5.0.3&files=UCheck_setup.exe>
Name: UCheck_setup.exe
Size: 31352920 bytes (29 MiB)
SHA256: A9A841480CC0850174FEF45F50C2B5D4B75DF97A2E0EF22B4EB25C65B86391AC

*updatehub*
"UpdateHub simplifies the process of updating software on your computer."
<https://ghacks.net/2023/07/24/update-all-windows-programs-with-updatehub/>
<https://www.neowin.net/software/updatehub---quickly-update-os-and-software-apps/>
<https://www.neowin.net/software/updatehub-210---simplified-pc-software-updates/>
<https://github.com/KK-Designs/UpdateHub/releases>
<https://github.com/KK-Designs/UpdateHub/releases/download/v2.2.3/UpdateHub-x64.exe>
Name: UpdateHub-x64.exe
Size: 69234472 bytes (66 MiB)
SHA256: 80A081B63FAC71E96930C24C342ED51A184E9BCA964633D7D898B07B82F90B92

*vulndetect*
"An alternative to the long lost Secunia PSI"
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/finding-a-software-updater-to-replace-secunias-psi/>
<https://vulndetect.org/>
<https://vulndetect.com/dl/secteerSetup.exe>
Name: secteerSetup.exe
Size: 2180544 bytes (2129 KiB)
SHA256: 2A7F91BA248637F26D3CC5976F4456D245427D50D05EB466541A4E3666211E19

*wingetui*
"A user interface for the most common CLI Win10/Win11 package managers."
<https://www.marticliment.com/wingetui/help/install/>
<https://sourceforge.net/projects/wingetui.mirror/>
<https://github.com/marticliment/WingetUI>
<https://github.com/marticliment/WingetUI/releases>
<https://github.com/marticliment/WingetUI/releases/download/2.1.1/WingetUI.Installer.exe>
Name: WingetUI.Installer.exe
Size: 63997848 bytes (61 MiB)
SHA256: 1EE9C17C2C8C1A16EC7F83DFF61CFCBA83A8F6164E0C6490D93042D76FFC73AA

As always, this is presented to save others' time and effort,
since they can now simply click on the URLs I've provided from T's information.

The hope is that they will _add value_ to what T started,
which is replacement apps for Sumo/Dumo in particular.
--
If one person does a chunk of the work, everyone benefits, which frees them
to do the next chunk of work, where everyone benefits with each improvement.

On 2023-10-25 03:43, T wrote:
> On 10/24/23 17:19, Wally J wrote:
>> c. I then ensure that energy is archived in the permanent archives
>> These permanent archives are available to _everyone_ on the planet.
>
>
> Hi Wally,
>
> Do the "tips" I occasionally write also get archived?
>
> I was under the impression that this newsgroup was
> not archived anywhere.

Well, they are kept somewhere, sometimes. No warranties. Only as long as
someone wants to keep paying the maintenance. Then, seeking for
information about something is very hard, as those archives keep
everything, including the trolling and spamming, and all the chatting.

Thinking that you can write some document and leave it here for the
future is simply ridiculous. It doesn't work.

Now somekind of blog or documentation site, properly indexed, would be nice.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 10/27/23 01:17, T wrote:
> I am researching UCheck and VulnDetect.

UCheck has a bad loyout. It is not the table layout the
SUMo has. And it seems to only catch "community"
software. No "critical" detection. It is kind
of a joke.

VulnDetect has a weird local and web interface. But
it works. It does catch criticals. It also demands
to be run automatically. You can set when. Also
it has a mechanism to add tested software to the list.

Neither one matches SUMo in capability. VulnDetect comes
the closest with its ability to add software to the tests.
Or you can request it. I do not know if you will get
ghosted or not.

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote

> UCheck has a bad loyout. It is not the table layout the
> SUMo has. And it seems to only catch "community"
> software. No "critical" detection. It is kind
> of a joke.
>
> VulnDetect has a weird local and web interface. But
> it works. It does catch criticals. It also demands
> to be run automatically. You can set when. Also
> it has a mechanism to add tested software to the list.
>
> Neither one matches SUMo in capability.

I'm agreeing, from the little that I learned when I downloaded all the
suggested packages that _none_ of them "replace" what SUMO/DUMO did.

At least not the same way.

Of the following suggested apps, you've tested some & I downloaded all.
Alphabetically, here's a quick summary based on yours and my quicktests.

1. *chocolatey* v2.2.2
"Chocolatey is a package manager for Windows (like apt-get for Windows)"
Which means it's not at all the same thing as Sumo/Dumo (AFAICT).

2. *patchmypc*
"Simplify third-party patching on your home PC"
It covers "some" of what Sumo did but misses many apps too.

3. *scoop*
"Scoop is a command-line installer for Windows."
Which means it's not at all the same thing as Sumo/Dumo (AFAICT).

4. *ucheck*
"Free,Scan,Install Updates,Uninstall Software,Personal Use Only:
UCheck has a bad loyout. It is not the table layout the SUMo has.
And it seems to only catch "community" software.
No "critical" detection. It is kind of a joke.

5. *updatehub*
"UpdateHub simplifies the software update process."
Which means it's not at all the same thing as Sumo/Dumo (AFAICT).

6. *vulndetect*
"An alternative to the long lost Secunia PSI"
VulnDetect has a weird local and web interface. But
it works. It does catch criticals. It also demands
to be run automatically. You can set when. Also
it has a mechanism to add tested software to the list.
7. *wingetui*
"A user interface for the most common CLI Win10/Win11 package managers."
Which means it's not at all the same thing as Sumo/Dumo (AFAICT).

I hope others pitch in so that we find a suitable alternative to the
about-to-be-deprecated Sumo/Dumo software/driver update utilities.

"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

>> Do the "tips" I occasionally write also get archived?
>>
>> I was under the impression that this newsgroup was
>> not archived anywhere.
>
> Well, they are kept somewhere, sometimes. No warranties. Only as long as
> someone wants to keep paying the maintenance. Then, seeking for
> information about something is very hard, as those archives keep
> everything, including the trolling and spamming, and all the chatting.
>
> Thinking that you can write some document and leave it here for the
> future is simply ridiculous. It doesn't work.
>
> Now somekind of blog or documentation site, properly indexed, would be nice.

Carlos has written _zero_ tutorials and _zero_ tips like those from "T".
In fact, Carlos will _never_ be able to write anything worth archiving.

So be it.
This message is simply to state that Carlos is dead wrong about archival.

Not only is Carlos wrong, but it's highly likely Carlos has never heard of
the Usenet archives we spoke about - so you can't trust his assessments.

The fact is that it's trivial to figure out which newsgroups are
automatically archived to a web-searchable format that everyone can access.

In general, it's all the operating system newsgroups _except_ the Windows
newsgroups we most often use (but it does include _other_ Windows
newsgroups such as the alt.comp.microsoft.windows newsgroup).

Hence, for those like "T" and I who add value which is useful to others in
the future, it behooves us to add alt.comp.microsoft.windows to the list.

The point which people like Carlos and Frank Slootweg will never be able to
understand is that it's not added for our amusement or to troll - as that's
how _they_ think - but not a normal adult who is attempting to add value.

It's added so that it's archived in a place that is as permanent as any.
It's added so that it's archived in a place that requires no login/passwd.
It's added so that it's archived in a place that only needs a web browser.
etc.

Such concepts are far too deep for people like Frank Slootweg or Carlos to
ever comprehend - but the hope is that there are 1 out of 100 people on
this newsgroup who are intelligent enough to understand archival concepts.

On 10/23/23 18:34, T wrote:
> On 10/23/23 17:59, VanguardLH wrote:
>> As for SUMo, and its ilk, I've never found nagware to be of much value.
>
> Me neither.
>
> I only like upgrading when it is "new and improved".  I do
> not care for "new and a whole new ton of bugs with
> no improvements".

Thunderbird 115 coems to mind. Swear word have
not been created ...

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote

>> I only like upgrading when it is "new and improved".� I do
>> not care for "new and a whole new ton of bugs with
>> no improvements".
>
> Thunderbird 115 coems to mind. Swear word have
> not been created ...

From another group...

There is also the
QuickInstaller
https://www.quickinstaller.net/
to check for program updates

--
Ninou
Gratilog, le catalogue des logiciels gratuits
http://www.gratilog.net/

On 10/28/23 04:12, Wally J wrote:
> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote
>
>>> I only like upgrading when it is "new and improved".  I do
>>> not care for "new and a whole new ton of bugs with
>>> no improvements".
>>
>> Thunderbird 115 coems to mind. Swear word have
>> not been created ...
>
> From another group...
>
> There is also the
> QuickInstaller
> https://www.quickinstaller.net/
> to check for program updates
>

I looked at it. No table for easy viewing.
And no criticals. It also only seemed to check
public software.

:'(

On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 19:37:55 -0400, Wally J wrote:

> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
>
>>> Do the "tips" I occasionally write also get archived?
>>>
>>> I was under the impression that this newsgroup was not archived
>>> anywhere.
>>
>> Well, they are kept somewhere, sometimes. No warranties. Only as long
>> as someone wants to keep paying the maintenance. Then, seeking for
>> information about something is very hard, as those archives keep
>> everything, including the trolling and spamming, and all the chatting.
>>
>> Thinking that you can write some document and leave it here for the
>> future is simply ridiculous. It doesn't work.
>>
>> Now somekind of blog or documentation site, properly indexed, would be
>> nice.
>
> Carlos has written _zero_ tutorials and _zero_ tips like those from "T".
> In fact, Carlos will _never_ be able to write anything worth archiving.
>
> So be it.
> This message is simply to state that Carlos is dead wrong about
> archival.
>
> Not only is Carlos wrong, but it's highly likely Carlos has never heard
> of the Usenet archives we spoke about - so you can't trust his
> assessments.
>
> The fact is that it's trivial to figure out which newsgroups are
> automatically archived to a web-searchable format that everyone can
> access.
>
> In general, it's all the operating system newsgroups _except_ the
> Windows newsgroups we most often use (but it does include _other_
> Windows newsgroups such as the alt.comp.microsoft.windows newsgroup).
>
> Hence, for those like "T" and I who add value which is useful to others
> in the future, it behooves us to add alt.comp.microsoft.windows to the
> list.
>
> The point which people like Carlos and Frank Slootweg will never be able
> to understand is that it's not added for our amusement or to troll - as
> that's how _they_ think - but not a normal adult who is attempting to
> add value.
>
> It's added so that it's archived in a place that is as permanent as any.
> It's added so that it's archived in a place that requires no
> login/passwd. It's added so that it's archived in a place that only
> needs a web browser. etc.
>
> Such concepts are far too deep for people like Frank Slootweg or Carlos
> to ever comprehend - but the hope is that there are 1 out of 100 people
> on this newsgroup who are intelligent enough to understand archival
> concepts.

This is "Arlen", right?

On 2023-10-28 17:42, mechanic wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 19:37:55 -0400, Wally J wrote:
>
>> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

....

>> Such concepts are far too deep for people like Frank Slootweg or Carlos
>> to ever comprehend - but the hope is that there are 1 out of 100 people
>> on this newsgroup who are intelligent enough to understand archival
>> concepts.
>
> This is "Arlen", right?

Yes. Who else could say such things? :-D

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2023-10-28 17:42, mechanic wrote:
> > On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 19:37:55 -0400, Wally J wrote:
> >
> >> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
>
> ...
>
> >> Such concepts are far too deep for people like Frank Slootweg or Carlos
> >> to ever comprehend - but the hope is that there are 1 out of 100 people
> >> on this newsgroup who are intelligent enough to understand archival
> >> concepts.
> >
> > This is "Arlen", right?

Is the pope catholic?

> Yes. Who else could say such things? :-D

And I even didn't post in this thread, but still he felt the need to
'praise' me. It boggles the mind.

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote

>> There is also the
>> QuickInstaller
>> https://www.quickinstaller.net/
>> to check for program updates
>>
>
> I looked at it. No table for easy viewing.
> And no criticals. It also only seemed to check
> public software.

Thanks for taking a look at it, and even more so for testing it, and then
for reporting back on it so that everyone benefits from the teamwork.

I don't have time to annotate this quick test as I only spent a few minutes
testing it (as I do for almost all suggested programs on this newsgroup).

Since I couldn't spend a lot of time testing it, I snapped these for people.
(I'm not sure why you say there isn't a table though, as it looks tabular.)

It can add to its database also so I'm not sure what you mean by "Public"
software - where it seems to have checked scores of my installed programs.

And I'm not sure what you mean by "cricitals" as QuickInstaller did tell
me which programs were "major updates" versus "minor updates" in the table.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding though, as I repeat I only spent a few minutes.
Here are the screenshots to save others that time and effort though
(which is the whole point of these purposefully helpful discussions
as each of us pitches in to help the next guy like a domino effect).

<https://i.postimg.cc/Kj0PDmSJ/quickinstaller01.jpg> QuickInstaller summary
<https://i.postimg.cc/TYYMd0k6/quickinstaller18.jpg> QuickInstaller settings
<https://i.postimg.cc/RFzLMPLQ/quickinstaller03.jpg> Avail. Maintenance
<https://i.postimg.cc/HkRtNWJN/quickinstaller05.jpg> Avail. File Archivers
<https://i.postimg.cc/HkqQ2SRD/quickinstaller06.jpg> Avail. Utilities
<https://i.postimg.cc/L43NsM7q/quickinstaller07.jpg> Updates Available
<https://i.postimg.cc/XvBsNBS3/quickinstaller09.jpg> Major/Minor Updates
<https://i.postimg.cc/WbtgPLPc/quickinstaller10.jpg> Update Pale Moon
<https://i.postimg.cc/vZNPdLK3/quickinstaller11.jpg> Update KC Softwares DUMO
<https://i.postimg.cc/JzkXGNnT/quickinstaller12.jpg> Nice updating progress
<https://i.postimg.cc/gjHSF99Z/quickinstaller13.jpg> Nice progress indicator
<https://i.postimg.cc/65RRQVTM/quickinstaller14.jpg> Nice progress status
<https://i.postimg.cc/mZCKNqnR/quickinstaller15.jpg> Submit NitroShare db
<https://i.postimg.cc/1RVVW00y/quickinstaller16.jpg> Update NitroShare db
<https://i.postimg.cc/bJ2W5FNx/quickinstaller17.jpg> Export to Excel csv
<https://i.postimg.cc/BbnD6RLD/quickinstaller08.jpg> Portable Programs
<https://i.postimg.cc/Dz0trw9Y/quickinstaller19.jpg> Uninstall QuickInstaller
<https://i.postimg.cc/x1JvLrs3/quickinstaller04.jpg> QuickInstaller Uninstall
<https://i.postimg.cc/yYNXY3c5/quickinstaller02.jpg> Uninstalled leftovers

It's a beta version according to the author; so we should expect problems.
(QuickInstaller Preview version 0.2.8701.11900)

<https://www.quickinstaller.net/>
<https://app.quickinstaller.net/downloads/QuickInstallerSetup.exe>
Name: QuickInstallerSetup.exe
Size: 13473669 bytes (12 MiB)
SHA256: 558FB86BC006E0C720C728DCF8BF77407A839BDDBB1EF9836EA9E493F2F8D3B5
It wants to go into C:\Program Files\QuickInstaller
I put it where it belongs C:\app\cleaner\updater\quickinstaller

It created a QuickInstaller.link desktop shortcut with the target
C:\Windows\System32\schtasks.exe /run /TN "QuickInstaller\QuickInstaller SkipUAC"

Setup
Microsoft.NET Windows Desktop Runtime 7.0 is required to
install QuickInstaller. Do you want to download and install
Microsoft Windows Desktop 7.0 as part of this installation?

KC Softwares Startup Sentinel immediately detected suspicious activity:
New entry detected!
Type: HKLM64:RunOnce
Name: {db33e419-1b78-40cf-bac2-d2b83f6e37b2}
Command: "C:\ProgramData\Package Cache\{db33e419-1b78-40cf-bac2-d2b83f6e37b2}\windowsdesktop-runtime-7.0.12-win-x64.exe" /burn.runonce"
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I wasn't sure _what_ to do with that - what would _you_ do about it?
<https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/c-programdata-package-cache.3581392/>
<https://superuser.com/questions/455853/can-i-delete-the-folder-c-programdata-package-cache>

I only spent five minutes testing this program, where I liked that it
separates installed programs from portable programs, which I think
"Win+I > Apps" misses.

However... don't be fooled... apparently the portable program checks
don't work (I think I saw somewhere this is a brand new beta product).
152 Programs installed
16 Major updates available
26 Minor updates available
17/59 Up-to-date
0 Portable programs found <=== this is wrong but maybe it's user error

You can sort by the following - which is useful when submitting programs.
(o) All
(_) Available Updates
(_) Up-to-Date
(_) Submitted
(_) Not Submitted

Speaking of sorting, you can export your selections to a csv file too.

As a test, I selected "Pale Moon" & "KC Softwares Dumo" to update.
The graphics were beautiful, changing colors for the various stages.

The Dumo updated to green but the Pale Moon had some kind of issue saying
"Update completed but not up to date 29.4.2.1 vs 32.4.1."
"Try restarting QuickInstaller or Windows to update version."

It also has an "Uninstall" button & a "Submit" button where I tested both.

I like that it organized all my Microsoft Visual C++ Redistributable's,
as I only install them when I have to so I have no idea which are there.

I also like that it organizes 682 apps by "what they do" (not brand names!)
which is how I organize all my phones, tablets and desktop installers too.
C:\apps\{archivers,browsers,cleaners,databases,editors,finances,games,etc.}
Note: I don't use plurals but I added them here for readability.

Most people (and most programmers!) organize by the brand name, which I
consider just about the most idiotic way to organize a program hierarchy.

The QuickInstaller program organizes apps by functionality (and it gives
you the option of installing them if they're not already installed).
Maintenance
Media
Media Tools
Tune-up
Internet
Internet Browsers
Graphics
Security
File Archivers
File Tools
Sharing
Productivity
Utilities
Hardware
Documents
Messaging
Gaming
Miscellaneous
Development
Runtime
Redistributable

Note: I don't use cop-outs such as "system" or "utilities" or "misc",
since pretty much every app fits into those useless catch-alls.

It has the ability to create a restore point before doing anything,
and a bunch of other options such as not deleting the downloaded installers.

It starts with Windows by default (which you might want to change),
and I noticed belatedly it doesn't scan for portable programs by default.

It crashed once though with an error of "Critical: An unhandled exception
has occurred in the application: (15,8):UserId:" and it wouldn't restart.

So I booted my PC (which allowed that autostart registry entry to activate).
But even then QuickInstaller wouldn't restart on the rebooted setup.

So I uninstalled it - where my assessment is that I like what it purports
to do, but it's probably still a bit too much in the beta stage for me.

RevoUninstaller and Advanced Uninstaller found leftover registry entries
and files (about a dozen or so for each uninstaller) which I wiped out.

Example of a leftover registry entry was...
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Schedule\TaskCache\Tree\QuickInstaller\QuickInstaller AutoStart
Example of a leftover file was...
C:\users\username\AppData\Local\Hans_Christian_Ihlen-Abel\QuickInstaller_URL_...

Particularly since I don't bother updating apps unless I know there is
something in the updated version which rarely happens for me nowadays.

I usually write up a step-by-step tutorial for how to use almost every
program but I'm writing up a tutorial for how to set up Telegram on the
PC without creating an account on your mobile so I only wrote up this log.

BTW, I only have 154 programs installed (while on Android I have over 700).
I'm curious how many you have installed on your Windows desktop PC.

Overall, I think it's a nice program. Very nice. Except it crashed
and wouldn't restart - so it simply has teething pains in the beta.
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On 10/28/23 15:02, Wally J wrote:
> I'm curious how many you have installed on your Windows desktop PC.

I have never checked. It try to keep it to a minimum though.
My system is a Fedora server with multiple qemu-kvm virtual
machines (VM's) to help me assist customers with their issues.
Of the Windows VM's, I have XP, W7, W10, and W11 currently setup.
Nine VM's in total.

I had Vista and 8 at one time, but don't get enough
call for them now to care. Two versions of XP, but
I pruned it to one. Believe it or not, I still have
some customers using XP.

The best SUMo sub I found so far is the VulnDetect.

On 23/10/2023 06:12, Wally J wrote:
> I was trying to help someone when I looked up the Sumo/Dumo site
> to give him the URL to check and install his drivers when I ran into this
> notice that they're going to stop existing (apparently) in a few days...
> <https://www.kcsoftwares.com/
>
> Termination notice
> KC Softwares activities are to be terminated by end of October 2023.
> All products are to be considered as End-Of-Life (EOL) on October 31st 2023.
> Sales are stopped.
>

Yep. I posted this in alt.comp.freeware on 2023.09.09

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On 10/29/23 03:58, wasbit wrote:
> On 23/10/2023 06:12, Wally J wrote:
>> I was trying to help someone when I looked up the Sumo/Dumo site
>> to give him the URL to check and install his drivers when I ran into this
>> notice that they're going to stop existing (apparently) in a few days...
>>     <https://www.kcsoftwares.com/
>>
>>     Termination notice
>>     KC Softwares activities are to be terminated by end of October 2023.
>>     All products are to be considered as End-Of-Life (EOL) on October
>> 31st 2023.
>>     Sales are stopped.
>>
>
> Yep. I posted this in alt.comp.freeware on 2023.09.09
>

Do you have a favorite replacement for SUMo?

wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> wrote

> Yep. I posted this in alt.comp.freeware on 2023.09.09

Hi wasbit,

Thanks for pointing that out as others may not know about a.c.f on here.
<http://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware>

I found your thread where I'd recommend adding the "SUMO or DUMO" keywords
to the title because a search for either in the title or body fails unless
you know to either use the name of the program or no spaces in the apps.
*KCSoftwares - Termination notice*
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/qvoHPUNFC50/>

Unfortunately, the words " SUMO " or " DUMO " don't even exist in that
thread (with spaces delineating the word) so it would be hard to find them
unless you knew they were surrounded by ";" as in ";SUMO;" & ";DUMO;"
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/qvoHPUNFC50/m/--mmTcf4AwAJ>

Since you're a freeware expert, you probably associate sumo & dumo with
kcsoftwares, but others might not so it needed sumo or dumo in the subject.

In my archives, for example, they're not listed under kcsoftwares but as
c:\archives\cleaners\updaters\drivers\dumo
c:\archivers\cleaners\updaters\software\sumo
(Note: I don't use plurals but I do here for readability).

I will say that it's hard to organize "suites" such as these are.
Other "suite" examples, of course, are the office tools, majorgeeks and
windowsclub downloads, and the classic suites such as nirsoft, sysinternals
and winaero tools (where even I have difficulty pigeon holing them into
appropriate functional categories).

Normally, for suites, if I find the entire suite useful (e.g., nirsoft),
then I actually save them twice. Once under "suites" and the other I
disperse them into where they belong, which itself can have duplicates.
c:\archivers\hardware\bsod\WhatIsHang for example

When you do that, you just copy your WinXP start menu folder to
Window7 and then 8 and then Vista and then 10, etc., to access apps.
<https://i.postimg.cc/X7f8sBbF/whatishang01.jpg> WinXP menu on Win10

In summary, we both worked together where you informed one community
(freeware folks) while I informed the Windows and hardware folks too.
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Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote

> I will say that it's hard to organize "suites" such as these are.
> Other "suite" examples, of course, are the office tools, majorgeeks and
> windowsclub downloads, and the classic suites such as nirsoft, sysinternals
> and winaero tools (where even I have difficulty pigeon holing them into
> appropriate functional categories).

Just after I mentioned it's hard to organize 'suites' of tools,
wasbit kindly posted a helpful hint for organizing the major geeks suite!

wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> wrote

>> There is also the
>> QuickInstaller
>> https://www.quickinstaller.net/
>> to check for program updates

> Or even Major Geeks Software Updater for Windows 7-11
>
> - http://www.majorgeeks.com/MajorGeeks_Software_Updater_d8044.html

To help others (so that they can start where the previous people left off),
here is a screenshot of what you see when you install that majorgeeks app.
<https://i.postimg.cc/0yJwS5WY/majorgeeks01.jpg>

I thank Ninou for bringing up QuickInstaller, which I only tested for a few
minutes but I found the preview version rather interesting in potential.

On my system it came up with an error but it worked to install the two apps
that I had tested, and it worked to uninstall the one app I had tested.

It also told me in tabular form which apps needed major & minor updates,
but when I tried to re-run QuickInstaller, it wouldn't start - even after a
reboot and even after deleting it and then rebooting, it wouldn't start
after a reinstallation. My assessment is it has potential but it's too
early to use it fruitfully yet.

I also thank wasbit who seems to be the first person who noticed that Sumo
& Dumo (among others) from KCSoftwares was going to go away, as shown here.
*KCSoftwares - Termination notice*
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/qvoHPUNFC50/>

I had not seen that, nor would I have understood it as I don't associate
Sumo/Dumo with the company that makes it but I ask wasbit how he knew?

How did you know about that going-out-of-business action so early?
(I only found out when I went purposefully to the site to help someone.)

Moving forward, let's add this the updater wasbit suggested to the mix.
*MajorGeeks News and Software Updater 4.0.0*
<https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/majorgeeks_software_updater.html>
"MajorGeeks News and Software Updater is a portable app that can show you
all of the latest news and downloads on MajorGeeks.Com from your desktop."

"The Update function sits in your systray (next to your clock)
and can notify you of any new files or articles on MajorGeeks.com
without searching the site."
<https://www.majorgeeks.com/mg/getmirror/majorgeeks_software_updater,1.html>
<https://www.majorgeeks.com/index.php?ct=files&action=download&>
<https://files1.majorgeeks.com/10afebdbffcd4742c81a3cb0f6ce4092156b4375/office/MajorGeeks_Software_Updates_and_News.zip>
Name: MajorGeeks_Software_Updates_and_News.zip
Size: 422116 bytes (412 KiB)
SHA256: BBD40177652CDDA5CD6DA3C3A19029F4667CDD949DC10F8441958887B7EB320C

Extracting the zip file reveals it contains only a single portable executable.
Name: MajorGeeks Software Updates and News.exe
Size: 1058816 bytes (1034 KiB)
SHA256: 921F125D9B9BB68A8C373E0BEC87E6BE2DB3241DF920513596D431D589DAC747

Placing it where it belongs so that it can be found sans needing to search:
Archived: C:\archives\cleaners\updaters\majorgeeks\.
Installed: C:\apps\cleaners\updaters\majorgeeks\.
Menus: C:\menus\cleaners\updaters\majorgeeks\.
Data: C:\data\cleaners\updaters\majorgeeks\.

First impressions:
I like that it has a calendar showing the progression of their news & apps.
And that it has a one-liner of what the programs purport to do for you.
They show a checkmark whether it works on Windows, Linux, Android & Apple.
And they show the latest version (but I couldn't get it to update anything).

First impression screenshot:
<https://i.postimg.cc/0yJwS5WY/majorgeeks01.jpg>
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Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote

>> Yes. Who else could say such things? :-D
>
> And I even didn't post in this thread, but still he felt the need to
> 'praise' me. It boggles the mind.

Having graduated from the finest schools in the country, and having worked
in the toughest Silicon Valley startups for decades, I must admit I don't
know how to handle people with incredibly low IQs like Frank, Carlos & Zag.

How do you work with people who are _that_ incredibly stupid? I don't know.
They provide zero value.
Every post from them _subtracts_ value.
They gleefully proclaim they finally figured out what was never hidden

I ask the _adults_ on this newsgroup what topical value did they provide?
Q: What topical value did Frank Slootweg provide on this thread?
A: From Zero to Negative.

Q: What topical value did Zagheda provide on this thread?
A: From Zero to Negative.

Q: What topical value did Carlos provide on this thread?
A: From Zero to Negative.

Jesus Christ. Every post from them is *purposefully unhelpful*.
They are unprepossessing worthless human beings.

Devoid of any purposefully helpful intent.
Devoid of any knowledge.
Devoid of any value.

I always find it sadly indicative of their fantastically low IQs (Frank,
Carlos & Zag) when these three morons gleefully exclaim they're utter
geniuses for figuring out what isn't even hidden & what was never hidden.

Hell, in this very thread are posted screenshots like this, you morons.
<https://i.postimg.cc/v8CS9SvY/precise-shortcut01.jpg> Privacy shortcuts

And yet, even after _hundreds_ upon hundreds of those obvious screenshots,
you _still_ find the necessity to prove you're a moron by exclaiming so
gleefully that you finally, after thousands of similar posts, figured out
what isn't hidden?

What is nice about Usenet is you find people who are intelligent.
But what's sad about Usenet is people like Frank, Carlos & Zag exist.

They contribute nothing of value.
Yet they think they're geniuses for figuring out the wrapping paper.

The fact is these morons finally figured out what was never hidden.
Given in this very thread I posted my unique screenshots like these:
<https://i.postimg.cc/Kj0PDmSJ/quickinstaller01.jpg> QI Test summary
etc.

If you ever ask me how I know these morons have a low IQ, it's not so much
that they have no clue how header privacy works - nor that they have no
idea that the value of a gift isn't in the header wrapping paper...

But that they're so far to the left of the first quartile separator in the
Dunning-Kruger study results that they gleefully proclaim how smart they
are when they finally (after thousands of posts!) figure out what was never
hidden in the first place.
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PS: Morons bother me... I've never met, in the flesh, people that stupid.
I admit openly so that I have no tools to handle people _that_ stupid.

On 29/10/2023 11:07, T wrote:
> On 10/29/23 03:58, wasbit wrote:
>> On 23/10/2023 06:12, Wally J wrote:
>>> I was trying to help someone when I looked up the Sumo/Dumo site
>>> to give him the URL to check and install his drivers when I ran into
>>> this
>>> notice that they're going to stop existing (apparently) in a few days...
>>>     <https://www.kcsoftwares.com/
>>>
>>>     Termination notice
>>>     KC Softwares activities are to be terminated by end of October 2023.
>>>     All products are to be considered as End-Of-Life (EOL) on October
>>> 31st 2023.
>>>     Sales are stopped.
>>>
>>
>> Yep. I posted this in alt.comp.freeware on 2023.09.09
>>
>
> Do you have a favorite replacement for SUMo?

Snappy Driver Installer Origin
For missing drivers or driver updates.
Especially good for after an install of Windows where you don't have the
motherboard driver CD.
- https://www.glenn.delahoy.com/snappy-driver-installer-origin/

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wasbit

On 29/10/2023 18:51, Wally J wrote:
> wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> wrote
>
>> Yep. I posted this in alt.comp.freeware on 2023.09.09
>
> Hi wasbit,
>
> Thanks for pointing that out as others may not know about a.c.f on here.
> <http://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware>
>
> I found your thread where I'd recommend adding the "SUMO or DUMO" keywords
> to the title because a search for either in the title or body fails unless
> you know to either use the name of the program or no spaces in the apps.
> *KCSoftwares - Termination notice*
> <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/qvoHPUNFC50/>
>
> Unfortunately, the words " SUMO " or " DUMO " don't even exist in that
> thread (with spaces delineating the word) so it would be hard to find them
> unless you knew they were surrounded by ";" as in ";SUMO;" & ";DUMO;"
> <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/qvoHPUNFC50/m/--mmTcf4AwAJ>

That's because you have focused on just those two programmes out of the
list.

> Since you're a freeware expert, you probably associate sumo & dumo with
> kcsoftwares, but others might not so it needed sumo or dumo in the subject.

I really am no expert, just a bod with a little knowledge.

> In my archives, for example, they're not listed under kcsoftwares but as
> c:\archives\cleaners\updaters\drivers\dumo
> c:\archivers\cleaners\updaters\software\sumo
> (Note: I don't use plurals but I do here for readability).
>
> I will say that it's hard to organize "suites" such as these are.
> Other "suite" examples, of course, are the office tools, majorgeeks and
> windowsclub downloads, and the classic suites such as nirsoft, sysinternals
> and winaero tools (where even I have difficulty pigeon holing them into
> appropriate functional categories).
>
> Normally, for suites, if I find the entire suite useful (e.g., nirsoft),
> then I actually save them twice. Once under "suites" and the other I
> disperse them into where they belong, which itself can have duplicates.
> c:\archivers\hardware\bsod\WhatIsHang for example
>
> When you do that, you just copy your WinXP start menu folder to
> Window7 and then 8 and then Vista and then 10, etc., to access apps.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/X7f8sBbF/whatishang01.jpg> WinXP menu on Win10
>
> In summary, we both worked together where you informed one community
> (freeware folks) while I informed the Windows and hardware folks too.
>

Windows System Control Centre (WSCC)

Contains the complete suites of tools from:

Sysinternals (Mark Russinovich/Bryce Cogswell now Microsoft),
Nirsoft (Nir Sofer)
Mitec (Michal Mutl)
plus a few more individual offerings.

Nir Sofer (http://www.nirsoft.net)
Gibson Research Corporation (http://www.grc.com)
Krzysztof Kowalczyk (http://www.kowalczyk.info)
Simon Tatham (https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham)
David Carpenter (https://voidtools.com)
Pete Batard (https://pete.akeo.ie/)
Michal Mutl (http://mitec.cz)

- http://www.kls-soft.com/wscc

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