Did anyone had problems after Windows 7 support ended on January 14, 2020 ?

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Master Yoda <ghilzvidgzul@gmail.com> wrote:

> Did anyone had problems after Windows 7 support ended on January 14,
> 2020 ?

Did your car stop running after its warranty expired?

On 12/15/2021 1:55 PM, Master Yoda wrote:
> Did anyone had problems after Windows 7 support ended on January 14, 2020 ?
>

No. I am still using it.

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On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 16:55:02 -0500, "Master Yoda"
<ghilzvidgzul@gmail.com> wrote:

>Did anyone had problems after Windows 7 support ended on January 14, 2020 ?

The internet activation of licenses stopped so you need to call Chatty
Cathy to get your magic key.

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Master Yoda <ghilzvidgzul@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Did anyone had problems after Windows 7 support ended on January 14,
>> 2020 ?

>Did your car stop running after its warranty expired?

I bought my laptop in 2009 with Vista installed on it. When Chrome stopped
updating because it was not compatible with vista anymore I had to upgrade
to Windows 7. So I used a pirated version, RemoveWAT helped. I cracked it
and my Windows was Genuine. For a few years I didn't have any problems. But
after january 2020 , aprox every 3 or 4 months I have to use the RemoveWat
tool again.

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On 12/15/2021 2:55 PM, Master Yoda wrote:

> Did anyone had problems after Windows 7 support ended on January 14, 2020 ?

People have problems with software all the time--before the support for
it expires and after it expires. When you have a problem has nothing to
do with when support ends. There are probably millions of people still
running Windows 7 who have not had any problems since then.

Now and then, a problem may start to occur for someone immediately after
support ends, but if so, that's a complete coincidence.

On 12/15/21 18:44, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 16:55:02 -0500, "Master Yoda"
> <ghilzvidgzul@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Did anyone had problems after Windows 7 support ended on January 14, 2020 ?
>
> The internet activation of licenses stopped so you need to call Chatty
> Cathy to get your magic key.

Or get a version from usenet, that lacks that annoyance.

On 12/16/21 11:11, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 12/15/2021 2:55 PM, Master Yoda wrote:
>
>> Did anyone had problems after Windows 7 support ended on January 14,
>> 2020 ?
>
>
> People have problems with software all the time--before the support for
> it expires and after it expires.  When you have a problem has nothing to
> do with when support ends. There are probably millions of people still
> running Windows 7 who have not had any problems since then.
>
> Now and then, a problem may start to occur for someone immediately after
> support ends, but if so, that's a complete coincidence.

Unless the publisher has included a time bomb, like with Flash.

On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 16:55:02 -0500, Master Yoda wrote:
>
> Did anyone had problems after Windows 7 support ended on January 14, 2020 ?

No, but then it ended for me when they started bundling "upgrade to
Windows 10" and "telemetry" nags into so-called security updates.

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On 12/15/2021 16:55, Master Yoda wrote:
> Did anyone had problems after Windows 7 support ended on January 14, 2020 ?
>

Still working fine for me here. I have no intents of switching; I can't
tolerate newer Windows OS's. Might have to go Linux when Windows 7
becomes painful to use, but I foresee at least another 5 years (likely
more). Look at it this way, Windows XP is still serviceable as is, but
it's begging to become difficult to use.

On 12/17/21 20:16, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 12/15/2021 16:55, Master Yoda wrote:
>> Did anyone had problems after Windows 7 support ended on January 14,
>> 2020 ?
>>
>
> Still working fine for me here.  I have no intents of switching; I can't
> tolerate newer Windows OS's.  Might have to go Linux when Windows 7
> becomes painful to use, but I foresee at least another 5 years (likely
> more).  Look at it this way, Windows XP is still serviceable as is, but
> it's begging to become difficult to use.

I started doing that (going to Linux) when Windows 2000 was getting less
useful. I try to avoid using any Windows later than 7.

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On 12/18/2021 1:10 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On 12/17/21 20:16, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 12/15/2021 16:55, Master Yoda wrote:
>>> Did anyone had problems after Windows 7 support ended on January 14,
>>> 2020 ?
>>>
>>
>> Still working fine for me here.  I have no intents of switching; I can't
>> tolerate newer Windows OS's.  Might have to go Linux when Windows 7
>> becomes painful to use, but I foresee at least another 5 years (likely
>> more).  Look at it this way, Windows XP is still serviceable as is, but
>> it's begging to become difficult to use.
>
> I started doing that (going to Linux) when Windows 2000 was getting less
> useful. I try to avoid using any Windows later than 7.

My opinion is different from yours. I thought Windows 8 was a step down
from 7. 8.1 was a minor improvement to 8, and 10 was a major improvement
to 8.1. The current version 11, is a minor improvement to 10.

I think both 10 and 11 are better than 7, and I would never want to go
back to 7.

On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 13:20:29 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalidinvalid.com>
wrote:

>On 12/18/2021 1:10 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
>> On 12/17/21 20:16, Michael Trew wrote:
>>> On 12/15/2021 16:55, Master Yoda wrote:
>>>> Did anyone had problems after Windows 7 support ended on January 14,
>>>> 2020 ?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Still working fine for me here.  I have no intents of switching; I can't
>>> tolerate newer Windows OS's.  Might have to go Linux when Windows 7
>>> becomes painful to use, but I foresee at least another 5 years (likely
>>> more).  Look at it this way, Windows XP is still serviceable as is, but
>>> it's begging to become difficult to use.
>>
>> I started doing that (going to Linux) when Windows 2000 was getting less
>> useful. I try to avoid using any Windows later than 7.
>
>
>My opinion is different from yours. I thought Windows 8 was a step down
>from 7. 8.1 was a minor improvement to 8, and 10 was a major improvement
>to 8.1. The current version 11, is a minor improvement to 10.
>
>I think both 10 and 11 are better than 7, and I would never want to go
>back to 7.

What is "better"?

On 2021-12-18 3:23 p.m., gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 13:20:29 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalidinvalid.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/18/2021 1:10 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
>>> On 12/17/21 20:16, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>> On 12/15/2021 16:55, Master Yoda wrote:
>>>>> Did anyone had problems after Windows 7 support ended on January 14,
>>>>> 2020 ?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Still working fine for me here.  I have no intents of switching; I can't
>>>> tolerate newer Windows OS's.  Might have to go Linux when Windows 7
>>>> becomes painful to use, but I foresee at least another 5 years (likely
>>>> more).  Look at it this way, Windows XP is still serviceable as is, but
>>>> it's begging to become difficult to use.
>>>
>>> I started doing that (going to Linux) when Windows 2000 was getting less
>>> useful. I try to avoid using any Windows later than 7.
>>
>>
>> My opinion is different from yours. I thought Windows 8 was a step down
>>from 7. 8.1 was a minor improvement to 8, and 10 was a major improvement
>> to 8.1. The current version 11, is a minor improvement to 10.
>>
>> I think both 10 and 11 are better than 7, and I would never want to go
>> back to 7.
>
> What is "better"?
>

*butter* is *better*.

Rene

On 12/18/2021 2:23 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 13:20:29 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalidinvalid.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On 12/18/2021 1:10 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
>>> On 12/17/21 20:16, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>> On 12/15/2021 16:55, Master Yoda wrote:
>>>>> Did anyone had problems after Windows 7 support ended on January 14,
>>>>> 2020 ?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Still working fine for me here.  I have no intents of switching; I can't
>>>> tolerate newer Windows OS's.  Might have to go Linux when Windows 7
>>>> becomes painful to use, but I foresee at least another 5 years (likely
>>>> more).  Look at it this way, Windows XP is still serviceable as is, but
>>>> it's begging to become difficult to use.
>>>
>>> I started doing that (going to Linux) when Windows 2000 was getting less
>>> useful. I try to avoid using any Windows later than 7.
>>
>>
>>My opinion is different from yours. I thought Windows 8 was a step down
>>from 7. 8.1 was a minor improvement to 8, and 10 was a major improvement
>>to 8.1. The current version 11, is a minor improvement to 10.
>>
>>I think both 10 and 11 are better than 7, and I would never want to go
>>back to 7.
>
> What is "better"?

The answer to that question is different for different people. I was
simply expressing my views. You're welcome to have different views.

On 12/18/2021 2:28 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> On 2021-12-18 3:23 p.m., gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 13:20:29 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalidinvalid.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/18/2021 1:10 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
>>>> On 12/17/21 20:16, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>> On 12/15/2021 16:55, Master Yoda wrote:
>>>>>> Did anyone had problems after Windows 7 support ended on January 14,
>>>>>> 2020 ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Still working fine for me here.  I have no intents of switching; I can't
>>>>> tolerate newer Windows OS's.  Might have to go Linux when Windows 7
>>>>> becomes painful to use, but I foresee at least another 5 years (likely
>>>>> more).  Look at it this way, Windows XP is still serviceable as is, but
>>>>> it's begging to become difficult to use.
>>>>
>>>> I started doing that (going to Linux) when Windows 2000 was getting less
>>>> useful. I try to avoid using any Windows later than 7.
>>>
>>>
>>> My opinion is different from yours. I thought Windows 8 was a step down
>>>from 7. 8.1 was a minor improvement to 8, and 10 was a major improvement
>>> to 8.1. The current version 11, is a minor improvement to 10.
>>>
>>> I think both 10 and 11 are better than 7, and I would never want to go
>>> back to 7.
>>
>> What is "better"?
>>
>
> *butter* is *better*.

....and when it comes to beer, bitter is better.

On 12/18/2021 8:15 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 12/18/2021 2:23 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 13:20:29 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalidinvalid.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/18/2021 1:10 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
>>>> On 12/17/21 20:16, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>> On 12/15/2021 16:55, Master Yoda wrote:
>>>>>> Did anyone had problems after Windows 7 support ended on January 14, 2020 ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Still working fine for me here.  I have no intents of switching; I can't tolerate newer Windows OS's.  Might have to go Linux when Windows 7 becomes painful to use, but I foresee at least another 5 years (likely more).  Look at it this way, Windows XP is still serviceable as is, but it's begging to become difficult to use.
>>>>
>>>> I started doing that (going to Linux) when Windows 2000 was getting less
>>>> useful. I try to avoid using any Windows later than 7.
>>>
>>>
>>> My opinion is different from yours. I thought Windows 8 was a step down from 7. 8.1 was a minor improvement to 8, and 10 was a major improvement to 8.1. The current version 11, is a minor improvement to 10.
>>>
>>> I think both 10 and 11 are better than 7, and I would never want to go back to 7.
>>
>> What is "better"?
>
>
> The answer to that question is different for different people. I was simply expressing my views. You're welcome to have different views.
>

We have a lot invested in you.

We need a "qualified" opinion, like explaining
*how* a thing is better.

Pretend you're in a design review, and you
are defending your new design to others.

For example, a qualified view would be:

"Because it is new and shiny,
it must be better"

And then we will understand.

For example, the File Explorer has a mixture of icons
and menus, and the users focus is supposed to immediately
focus on some light-colored decorations, when they think
they're using a right-context menu. Most people, their
eyes are glued to the text in the menu, and they're never
going to see or shift focus -- to an icon for "Copy". And
while the scissors look like Cut, the Copy icon is well,
ambiguous.

https://allthings.how/how-to-cut-copy-and-paste-files-in-windows-11/

It's like "someone wants a patent on something which is not a ribbon".

Paul

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote in
news:spm5ak$m6g$1@dont-email.me:

> For example, the File Explorer has a mixture of icons
> and menus, and the users focus is supposed to immediately
> focus on some light-colored decorations, when they think
> they're using a right-context menu. Most people, their
> eyes are glued to the text in the menu, and they're never
> going to see or shift focus -- to an icon for "Copy". And
> while the scissors look like Cut, the Copy icon is well,
> ambiguous.
>
> https://allthings.how/how-to-cut-copy-and-paste-files-in-win
> dows-11/
>
> It's like "someone wants a patent on something which is not
> a ribbon".

I've found a registry tweak to always show the 'classic' context menu in Win11.

Granted, you shouldn't need to do all these tweaks...but Windows seems to have always
been like that.

Potentially the worst default setting ever, is to "Hide Extensions of Known Filetypes"....and
it's STILL that way (up to Win10 anyway....)

On 12/18/2021 7:27 PM, Paul wrote:
> On 12/18/2021 8:15 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 12/18/2021 2:23 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 13:20:29 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalidinvalid.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/18/2021 1:10 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
>>>>> On 12/17/21 20:16, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/15/2021 16:55, Master Yoda wrote:
>>>>>>> Did anyone had problems after Windows 7 support ended on January 14, 2020 ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Still working fine for me here.  I have no intents of switching; I can't tolerate newer Windows OS's.  Might have to go Linux when Windows 7 becomes painful to use, but I foresee at least another 5 years (likely more).  Look at it this way, Windows XP is still serviceable as is, but it's begging to become difficult to use.
>>>>>
>>>>> I started doing that (going to Linux) when Windows 2000 was getting less
>>>>> useful. I try to avoid using any Windows later than 7.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My opinion is different from yours. I thought Windows 8 was a step down from 7. 8.1 was a minor improvement to 8, and 10 was a major improvement to 8.1. The current version 11, is a minor improvement to 10.
>>>>
>>>> I think both 10 and 11 are better than 7, and I would never want to go back to 7.
>>>
>>> What is "better"?
>>
>>
>> The answer to that question is different for different people. I was simply expressing my views. You're welcome to have different views.
>>
>
> We have a lot invested in you.
>
> We need a "qualified" opinion, like explaining
> *how* a thing is better.
>
> Pretend you're in a design review, and you
> are defending your new design to others.

I think I've said this here before, but I'll say it again: almost every
time I switch to a new version of some piece of software, I forget a lot
of what the old version was like. That's because I put a lot of effort
into replacing my old memories with what I now need to remember. So the
result is that it's very hard for me remember much about the old version
and what I like better about the new version.

Not everyone is the same, but I find it difficult to remember two
versions of the same program. Maybe that's because of my age (84); I'm
not sure.

So I'll apologize and tell you that I can't remember what most of the
the differences are between versions, let alone why I like one better
than another.

And as I said above, the differences that are improvements to me may not
be improvements to someone else. We all work in different ways.

I'll add just one other point: there are things I don't like about both
Windows 10 and 11, but I have fixed most of them by installing the
third-party programs Start10 and Start 11. I recommend that anyone who
tries Windows 11 and doesn't like it, should download and install the
trial versions of either Start11 or StartIsBack and see if that changes
their view of it. With Rene's advice, I tried StartIsBack first, but
then went to Start11 instead, and I like it better.

On 12/19/2021 5:25 AM, DanS wrote:
> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote in
> news:spm5ak$m6g$1@dont-email.me:
>
>
>> For example, the File Explorer has a mixture of icons
>> and menus, and the users focus is supposed to immediately
>> focus on some light-colored decorations, when they think
>> they're using a right-context menu. Most people, their
>> eyes are glued to the text in the menu, and they're never
>> going to see or shift focus -- to an icon for "Copy". And
>> while the scissors look like Cut, the Copy icon is well,
>> ambiguous.
>>
>> https://allthings.how/how-to-cut-copy-and-paste-files-in-win
>> dows-11/
>>
>> It's like "someone wants a patent on something which is not
>> a ribbon".
>
> I've found a registry tweak to always show the 'classic' context menu in Win11.
>
> Granted, you shouldn't need to do all these tweaks...but Windows seems to have always
> been like that.
>
> Potentially the worst default setting ever, is to "Hide Extensions of Known Filetypes"....and
> it's STILL that way (up to Win10 anyway....)

I agree. It's a terrible default.

On 2021-12-19 9:17 a.m., Ken Blake wrote:
> On 12/18/2021 7:27 PM, Paul wrote:
>> On 12/18/2021 8:15 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On 12/18/2021 2:23 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 13:20:29 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalidinvalid.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/18/2021 1:10 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/17/21 20:16, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/15/2021 16:55, Master Yoda wrote:
>>>>>>>> Did anyone had problems after Windows 7 support ended on January
>>>>>>>> 14, 2020 ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Still working fine for me here.  I have no intents of switching;
>>>>>>> I can't tolerate newer Windows OS's.  Might have to go Linux when
>>>>>>> Windows 7 becomes painful to use, but I foresee at least another
>>>>>>> 5 years (likely more).  Look at it this way, Windows XP is still
>>>>>>> serviceable as is, but it's begging to become difficult to use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I started doing that (going to Linux) when Windows 2000 was
>>>>>> getting less
>>>>>> useful. I try to avoid using any Windows later than 7.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My opinion is different from yours. I thought Windows 8 was a step
>>>>> down from 7. 8.1 was a minor improvement to 8, and 10 was a major
>>>>> improvement to 8.1. The current version 11, is a minor improvement
>>>>> to 10.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think both 10 and 11 are better than 7, and I would never want to
>>>>> go back to 7.
>>>>
>>>> What is "better"?
>>>
>>>
>>> The answer to that question is different for different people. I was
>>> simply expressing my views. You're welcome to have different views.
>>>
>>
>> We have a lot invested in you.
>>
>> We need a "qualified" opinion, like explaining
>> *how* a thing is better.
>>
>> Pretend you're in a design review, and you
>> are defending your new design to others.
>
>
> I think I've said this here before, but I'll say it again: almost every
> time I switch to a new version of some piece of software, I forget a lot
> of what the old version was like. That's because I put a lot of effort
> into replacing my old memories with what I now need to remember. So the
> result is that it's very hard for me remember much about the old version
> and what I like better about the new version.
>
> Not everyone is the same, but I find it difficult to remember two
> versions of the same program. Maybe that's because of my age (84); I'm
> not sure.
>
> So I'll apologize and tell you that I can't remember what most of the
> the differences are between versions, let alone why I like one better
> than another.
>
> And as I said above, the differences that are improvements to me may not
> be improvements to someone else. We all work in different ways.
>
> I'll add just one other point: there are things I don't like about both
> Windows 10 and 11, but I have fixed most of them by installing the
> third-party programs Start10 and Start 11. I recommend that anyone who
> tries Windows 11 and doesn't like it, should download and install the
> trial versions of either Start11 or StartIsBack and see if that changes
> their view of it. With Rene's advice, I tried StartIsBack first, but
> then went to Start11 instead, and I like it better.
>

I haven't tried Start 11 but I did use Start 8 for a long time, and
liked it quite well.
Windows 10 was fine so I used it in its native form, Windows 11 is so
bad I have to use an add-on enhancer, Startallback is great, But I would
like to try start 11 and compare them, I may install it on my other
windows 11 copy for a trial.
Any particular differences come to mind, or does it just generally suit
your operating style better ?

Rene

On 12/19/2021 9:28 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> On 2021-12-19 9:17 a.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 12/18/2021 7:27 PM, Paul wrote:
>>> On 12/18/2021 8:15 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>> On 12/18/2021 2:23 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 13:20:29 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalidinvalid.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/18/2021 1:10 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/17/21 20:16, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/15/2021 16:55, Master Yoda wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Did anyone had problems after Windows 7 support ended on January
>>>>>>>>> 14, 2020 ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Still working fine for me here.  I have no intents of switching;
>>>>>>>> I can't tolerate newer Windows OS's.  Might have to go Linux when
>>>>>>>> Windows 7 becomes painful to use, but I foresee at least another
>>>>>>>> 5 years (likely more).  Look at it this way, Windows XP is still
>>>>>>>> serviceable as is, but it's begging to become difficult to use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I started doing that (going to Linux) when Windows 2000 was
>>>>>>> getting less
>>>>>>> useful. I try to avoid using any Windows later than 7.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My opinion is different from yours. I thought Windows 8 was a step
>>>>>> down from 7. 8.1 was a minor improvement to 8, and 10 was a major
>>>>>> improvement to 8.1. The current version 11, is a minor improvement
>>>>>> to 10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think both 10 and 11 are better than 7, and I would never want to
>>>>>> go back to 7.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is "better"?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The answer to that question is different for different people. I was
>>>> simply expressing my views. You're welcome to have different views.
>>>>
>>>
>>> We have a lot invested in you.
>>>
>>> We need a "qualified" opinion, like explaining
>>> *how* a thing is better.
>>>
>>> Pretend you're in a design review, and you
>>> are defending your new design to others.
>>
>>
>> I think I've said this here before, but I'll say it again: almost every
>> time I switch to a new version of some piece of software, I forget a lot
>> of what the old version was like. That's because I put a lot of effort
>> into replacing my old memories with what I now need to remember. So the
>> result is that it's very hard for me remember much about the old version
>> and what I like better about the new version.
>>
>> Not everyone is the same, but I find it difficult to remember two
>> versions of the same program. Maybe that's because of my age (84); I'm
>> not sure.
>>
>> So I'll apologize and tell you that I can't remember what most of the
>> the differences are between versions, let alone why I like one better
>> than another.
>>
>> And as I said above, the differences that are improvements to me may not
>> be improvements to someone else. We all work in different ways.
>>
>> I'll add just one other point: there are things I don't like about both
>> Windows 10 and 11, but I have fixed most of them by installing the
>> third-party programs Start10 and Start 11. I recommend that anyone who
>> tries Windows 11 and doesn't like it, should download and install the
>> trial versions of either Start11 or StartIsBack and see if that changes
>> their view of it. With Rene's advice, I tried StartIsBack first, but
>> then went to Start11 instead, and I like it better.
>>
>
> I haven't tried Start 11 but I did use Start 8 for a long time, and
> liked it quite well.
> Windows 10 was fine so I used it in its native form, Windows 11 is so
> bad I have to use an add-on enhancer, Startallback is great, But I would
> like to try start 11 and compare them, I may install it on my other
> windows 11 copy for a trial.
> Any particular differences come to mind, or does it just generally suit
> your operating style better ?

Sorry, but as I said above, I'm terrible at remembering software I no
longer use.

On 12/18/21 15:28, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

[snip]

>> What is "better"?
>>
>
> *butter*  is *better*.
>
> Rene

Yes, butter is better. Windows 10 isn't butter. Honey manure isn't
butter either.

On 12/19/21 06:25, DanS wrote:

[snip]

> Potentially the worst default setting ever, is to "Hide Extensions of Known Filetypes"....and
> it's STILL that way (up to Win10 anyway....)

Yes. However, it does make it easier for malware writers.

There's also the "feature" of Internet Explorer (it was there in the
first version I used, 3.02) that truncates the output if you print a
page that's wider than the paper (minus margins) and doesn't let you
know it messed up.

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On 12/19/21 10:39, Ken Blake wrote:

[snip]

> Sorry, but as I said above, I'm terrible at remembering software I no
> longer use.

A couple of years ago I created a Windows 95 virtual machine. Software
in it would not access my network, and it took a long time to remember
what I did with Windows 95 was the current thing.

BTW, Win 95 by default does not associate the TCP/IP protocol with the
LAN (it's dialup only) and has to be fixed manually (not hard IF you
remember to).

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6 days until the winter celebration (Saturday, December 25, 2021
12:00:00 AM for 1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"My husband is not a Christian but is a religious man, I think."
[Lincoln's wife, Mary Todd Lincoln, in _Toward The Mystery_]