Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some at
this link:

<https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>

The beta changes were these:

<https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>

I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.

Good luck and post your views about this new release.

On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
> Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
> website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some at
> this link:
>
> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>
>
> The beta changes were these:
>
> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>
>
> I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.
>
> Good luck and post your views about this new release.
>

the shelves? do they even still make physical media?

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On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
>> Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
>> website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some at
>> this link:
>>
>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>
>>
>> The beta changes were these:
>>
>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>
>>
>> I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.
>>
>> Good luck and post your views about this new release.
>>
>
> the shelves? do they even still make physical media?
>
>
>

I am so old I remember selling boxed versions of Redhat, Mandrake and Suse. I
think there was Corel or something like that but they were boxed with CDs and a
manual.
--
Simon

RLU: 222126

On 2024-04-25, Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
>>> Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
>>> website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some at
>>> this link:
>>>
>>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>
>>>
>>> The beta changes were these:
>>>
>>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>
>>>
>>> I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.
>>>
>>> Good luck and post your views about this new release.
>>>
>>
>> the shelves? do they even still make physical media?
>>
>>
>>
>
> I am so old I remember selling boxed versions of Redhat, Mandrake and Suse. I
> think there was Corel or something like that but they were boxed with CDs and a
> manual.

I bought a boxed copy of SuSE. Also a couple boxed versions of Caldera,
Linspire (I believe it was called) and one more I can't think of right now.

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entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-04-25, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2024-04-25, Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>> Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
>>>> website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some at
>>>> this link:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>
>>>>
>>>> The beta changes were these:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>
>>>>
>>>> I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck and post your views about this new release.
>>>>
>>>
>>> the shelves? do they even still make physical media?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I am so old I remember selling boxed versions of Redhat, Mandrake and Suse. I
>> think there was Corel or something like that but they were boxed with CDs and a
>> manual.
>
> I bought a boxed copy of SuSE. Also a couple boxed versions of Caldera,
> Linspire (I believe it was called) and one more I can't think of right now.
>

I had only used Redhat before so settled on Mandrake as it still used rpms and
had a thriving usenet group at the time. My girlfriend at the time used Suse, I
don't know what the reason was but it was nice to have choices.
--
Simon

RLU: 222126

On 25/04/2024 12.40, Simon wrote:
> On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
>>> Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
>>> website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some at
>>> this link:
>>>
>>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>
>>>
>>> The beta changes were these:
>>>
>>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>
>>>
>>> I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.
>>>
>>> Good luck and post your views about this new release.
>>>
>>
>> the shelves? do they even still make physical media?
>>
>>
>>
>
> I am so old I remember selling boxed versions of Redhat, Mandrake and Suse. I
> think there was Corel or something like that but they were boxed with CDs and a
> manual.

You did also get those in RedHat books too, I think I have a couple of
RH6 CDs still, the books are still great, when you want to have a
monitor a bit higher up, just put a brick under it and yeah, perfect
hight :P

--
//Aho

On 2024-04-25, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
> On 25/04/2024 12.40, Simon wrote:
>> On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>> Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
>>>> website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some at
>>>> this link:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>
>>>>
>>>> The beta changes were these:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>
>>>>
>>>> I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck and post your views about this new release.
>>>>
>>>
>>> the shelves? do they even still make physical media?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I am so old I remember selling boxed versions of Redhat, Mandrake and Suse. I
>> think there was Corel or something like that but they were boxed with CDs and a
>> manual.
>
> You did also get those in RedHat books too, I think I have a couple of
> RH6 CDs still, the books are still great, when you want to have a
> monitor a bit higher up, just put a brick under it and yeah, perfect
> hight :P
>
Yes those books were great, you got something that lasted beyond the life of the
OS and mostly remained usable until you could remember it on your own.

--
Simon

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On 4/25/2024 12:40 PM, Simon wrote:
> On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
>>> Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
>>> website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some at
>>> this link:
>>>
>>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>
>>>
>>> The beta changes were these:
>>>
>>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>
>>>
>>> I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.
>>>
>>> Good luck and post your views about this new release.
>>>
>>
>> the shelves? do they even still make physical media?
>>
>>
>>
>
> I am so old I remember selling boxed versions of Redhat, Mandrake and Suse. I
> think there was Corel or something like that but they were boxed with CDs and a
> manual.

I got into Linux around the time when they bundled new versions of
operating systems with magazines. I think my first Ubuntu discs actually
were Ubuntu branded, but other stuff was just the latest release of
whatever pc/linux mag decided to put on their cover this month.

(the first time I got one I installed was actually BeOS and I couldn't
make head nor tails of it)

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On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/25/2024 12:40 PM, Simon wrote:
>> On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>> Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
>>>> website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some at
>>>> this link:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>
>>>>
>>>> The beta changes were these:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>
>>>>
>>>> I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck and post your views about this new release.
>>>>
>>>
>>> the shelves? do they even still make physical media?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I am so old I remember selling boxed versions of Redhat, Mandrake and Suse. I
>> think there was Corel or something like that but they were boxed with CDs and a
>> manual.
>
> I got into Linux around the time when they bundled new versions of
> operating systems with magazines. I think my first Ubuntu discs actually
> were Ubuntu branded, but other stuff was just the latest release of
> whatever pc/linux mag decided to put on their cover this month.
>
> (the first time I got one I installed was actually BeOS and I couldn't
> make head nor tails of it)
>
I used Redhat before that but it was not a great success. Mandrake really got me
going and the community helped with any issues.

When Ubuntu came out, 2004(ish) I had a computer shop and they shipped the discs
in small cardboard envelopes, I gave loads away and many people installed Linux
because of those discs.

--
Simon

RLU: 222126

On 4/25/2024 4:55 PM, Simon wrote:
> On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 4/25/2024 12:40 PM, Simon wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>>> Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
>>>>> website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some at
>>>>> this link:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>
>>>>>
>>>>> The beta changes were these:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck and post your views about this new release.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> the shelves? do they even still make physical media?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am so old I remember selling boxed versions of Redhat, Mandrake and Suse. I
>>> think there was Corel or something like that but they were boxed with CDs and a
>>> manual.
>>
>> I got into Linux around the time when they bundled new versions of
>> operating systems with magazines. I think my first Ubuntu discs actually
>> were Ubuntu branded, but other stuff was just the latest release of
>> whatever pc/linux mag decided to put on their cover this month.
>>
>> (the first time I got one I installed was actually BeOS and I couldn't
>> make head nor tails of it)
>>
> I used Redhat before that but it was not a great success. Mandrake really got me
> going and the community helped with any issues.
>
> When Ubuntu came out, 2004(ish) I had a computer shop and they shipped the discs
> in small cardboard envelopes, I gave loads away and many people installed Linux
> because of those discs.
>

ohh. Mandrake. I think that actually was my first Linux. I only had it
on my computer for a hot minute before I switched to Ubuntu back then.

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J.O. Aho wrote:

> On 25/04/2024 12.40, Simon wrote:
>> On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>> Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
>>>> website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some
>>>> at this link:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-lo
>>>> ok-out-for>
>>>>
>>>> The beta changes were these:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>
>>>>
>>>> I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck and post your views about this new release.
>>>
>>> the shelves? do they even still make physical media?
>>
>> I am so old I remember selling boxed versions of Redhat, Mandrake and
>> Suse. I think there was Corel or something like that but they were
>> boxed with CDs and a manual.
>
> You did also get those in RedHat books too, I think I have a couple of
> RH6 CDs still, the books are still great, when you want to have a
> monitor a bit higher up, just put a brick under it and yeah, perfect
> hight :P

I bought an intro to Linux book in the mid-to-late-90s which included a 2-
disk Red Hat 5.1 set, and OpenLinux Lite 1.2 on a 3rd CD, and I got a
magazine around the same time which included a SuSE 5.2 CD on the cover. (I
still have the CDs; the book & magazine may or may not still be around; 25+
years can do funny things to possessions.) Both times it felt illegal to me;
I was unfamiliar with the concept of free/open source at the time. (Nowadays
it's Slackware on the server, Salix on the old laptop, and anything else
under emulation.)

--
- A deep understanding of reality is exactly the same as laziness.
- That can't be right.
- Have you ever seen a statue of Buddha jogging?

On 2024-04-25, Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-04-25, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-04-25, Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>>> Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
>>>>> website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some at
>>>>> this link:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>
>>>>>
>>>>> The beta changes were these:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck and post your views about this new release.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> the shelves? do they even still make physical media?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am so old I remember selling boxed versions of Redhat, Mandrake and Suse. I
>>> think there was Corel or something like that but they were boxed with CDs and a
>>> manual.
>>
>> I bought a boxed copy of SuSE. Also a couple boxed versions of Caldera,
>> Linspire (I believe it was called) and one more I can't think of right now.
>>
>
> I had only used Redhat before so settled on Mandrake as it still used rpms and
> had a thriving usenet group at the time. My girlfriend at the time used Suse, I
> don't know what the reason was but it was nice to have choices.

I installed Mandrake once (before I fully moved to Linux), but I didn't buy
the boxed set. I guess Mandrake/Mandriva still (sort of) lives on through
OpenMandriva, PCLinuxOS and Mageia. I haven't tried any of these in a long
time.

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entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/25/2024 4:55 PM, Simon wrote:
>> On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/25/2024 12:40 PM, Simon wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>>>> Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
>>>>>> website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some at
>>>>>> this link:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The beta changes were these:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good luck and post your views about this new release.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> the shelves? do they even still make physical media?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am so old I remember selling boxed versions of Redhat, Mandrake and Suse. I
>>>> think there was Corel or something like that but they were boxed with CDs and a
>>>> manual.
>>>
>>> I got into Linux around the time when they bundled new versions of
>>> operating systems with magazines. I think my first Ubuntu discs actually
>>> were Ubuntu branded, but other stuff was just the latest release of
>>> whatever pc/linux mag decided to put on their cover this month.
>>>
>>> (the first time I got one I installed was actually BeOS and I couldn't
>>> make head nor tails of it)
>>>
>> I used Redhat before that but it was not a great success. Mandrake really got me
>> going and the community helped with any issues.
>>
>> When Ubuntu came out, 2004(ish) I had a computer shop and they shipped the discs
>> in small cardboard envelopes, I gave loads away and many people installed Linux
>> because of those discs.
>>
>
> ohh. Mandrake. I think that actually was my first Linux. I only had it
> on my computer for a hot minute before I switched to Ubuntu back then.
>

Mandrake was at its best in the late 90s early 00s, by the time Ubuntu came out
people had moved onto to other distros. It is nice to see PClinxOS is still
going, not that I have it installed. :-(
--
Simon

RLU: 222126

On 2024-04-25, Auric__ <not.my.real@email.address> wrote:
> J.O. Aho wrote:
>
>> On 25/04/2024 12.40, Simon wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>>> Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
>>>>> website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some
>>>>> at this link:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-lo
>>>>> ok-out-for>
>>>>>
>>>>> The beta changes were these:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck and post your views about this new release.
>>>>
>>>> the shelves? do they even still make physical media?
>>>
>>> I am so old I remember selling boxed versions of Redhat, Mandrake and
>>> Suse. I think there was Corel or something like that but they were
>>> boxed with CDs and a manual.
>>
>> You did also get those in RedHat books too, I think I have a couple of
>> RH6 CDs still, the books are still great, when you want to have a
>> monitor a bit higher up, just put a brick under it and yeah, perfect
>> hight :P
>
> I bought an intro to Linux book in the mid-to-late-90s which included a 2-
> disk Red Hat 5.1 set, and OpenLinux Lite 1.2 on a 3rd CD, and I got a
> magazine around the same time which included a SuSE 5.2 CD on the cover. (I
> still have the CDs; the book & magazine may or may not still be around; 25+
> years can do funny things to possessions.) Both times it felt illegal to me;
> I was unfamiliar with the concept of free/open source at the time. (Nowadays
> it's Slackware on the server, Salix on the old laptop, and anything else
> under emulation.)
>

I used to pick and choose magazines to buy by the distro that was included that
month. I tried all sorts, with varying degrees of success, it was nice to try
them all.
--
Simon

RLU: 222126

On 26/04/2024 08.57, Simon wrote:
> On 2024-04-25, Auric__ <not.my.real@email.address> wrote:
>> J.O. Aho wrote:

> I used to pick and choose magazines to buy by the distro that was included that
> month. I tried all sorts, with varying degrees of success, it was nice to try
> them all.

I only bought those without the CDs, as they were a lot cheaper and I
did have a flat cost internet so I could download everything myself.

Sadly most places who had Linux magazines mainly just sold the with CD
version, so it was always going around the different stores and see if
they happen to have the CD free version that was almost half the price.

--
//Aho

On 2024-04-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
> On 26/04/2024 08.57, Simon wrote:
>> On 2024-04-25, Auric__ <not.my.real@email.address> wrote:
>>> J.O. Aho wrote:
>
>> I used to pick and choose magazines to buy by the distro that was included that
>> month. I tried all sorts, with varying degrees of success, it was nice to try
>> them all.
>
> I only bought those without the CDs, as they were a lot cheaper and I
> did have a flat cost internet so I could download everything myself.
>
> Sadly most places who had Linux magazines mainly just sold the with CD
> version, so it was always going around the different stores and see if
> they happen to have the CD free version that was almost half the price.
>

This was back in the mid 90s, so not only was internet slow and downloads
unreliable, it made the phone unusable which was not ideal either.
--
Simon

RLU: 222126

On 26/04/2024 10.53, Simon wrote:
> On 2024-04-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
>> On 26/04/2024 08.57, Simon wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-25, Auric__ <not.my.real@email.address> wrote:
>>>> J.O. Aho wrote:
>>
>>> I used to pick and choose magazines to buy by the distro that was included that
>>> month. I tried all sorts, with varying degrees of success, it was nice to try
>>> them all.
>>
>> I only bought those without the CDs, as they were a lot cheaper and I
>> did have a flat cost internet so I could download everything myself.
>>
>> Sadly most places who had Linux magazines mainly just sold the with CD
>> version, so it was always going around the different stores and see if
>> they happen to have the CD free version that was almost half the price.
>>
>
> This was back in the mid 90s, so not only was internet slow and downloads
> unreliable, it made the phone unusable which was not ideal either.

Keep in mind that binaries wasn't that big either, so it didn't take for
ever to download applications, sure a full sized CD would take hours,
worst was those multi disk releases that could sometimes take a day or
so, I did have a dedicated phone line for my internet, so no risk of
someone picking up the phone and break the connection, but sure when not
having a dedicated line then things would be a bit random if you would
finish a download or not, or your MUD session was broken at a critical
stage in the adventure.

--
//Aho

On 2024-04-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
> On 26/04/2024 10.53, Simon wrote:
>> On 2024-04-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
>>> On 26/04/2024 08.57, Simon wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-25, Auric__ <not.my.real@email.address> wrote:
>>>>> J.O. Aho wrote:
>>>
>>>> I used to pick and choose magazines to buy by the distro that was included that
>>>> month. I tried all sorts, with varying degrees of success, it was nice to try
>>>> them all.
>>>
>>> I only bought those without the CDs, as they were a lot cheaper and I
>>> did have a flat cost internet so I could download everything myself.
>>>
>>> Sadly most places who had Linux magazines mainly just sold the with CD
>>> version, so it was always going around the different stores and see if
>>> they happen to have the CD free version that was almost half the price.
>>>
>>
>> This was back in the mid 90s, so not only was internet slow and downloads
>> unreliable, it made the phone unusable which was not ideal either.
>
> Keep in mind that binaries wasn't that big either, so it didn't take for
> ever to download applications, sure a full sized CD would take hours,
> worst was those multi disk releases that could sometimes take a day or
> so, I did have a dedicated phone line for my internet, so no risk of
> someone picking up the phone and break the connection, but sure when not
> having a dedicated line then things would be a bit random if you would
> finish a download or not, or your MUD session was broken at a critical
> stage in the adventure.
>
True, updating a system was easy but downloading an ISO to try was an ordeal, I
was grateful for the magazine CDs. Hard to imagine in todays world where an DVD
ISO can be downloaded without any thought of the size or time.

--
Simon

RLU: 222126

On 26/04/2024 11.27, Simon wrote:
> On 2024-04-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:

>> Keep in mind that binaries wasn't that big either, so it didn't take for
>> ever to download applications, sure a full sized CD would take hours,
>> worst was those multi disk releases that could sometimes take a day or
>> so, I did have a dedicated phone line for my internet, so no risk of
>> someone picking up the phone and break the connection, but sure when not
>> having a dedicated line then things would be a bit random if you would
>> finish a download or not, or your MUD session was broken at a critical
>> stage in the adventure.
>>
> True, updating a system was easy but downloading an ISO to try was an ordeal, I
> was grateful for the magazine CDs. Hard to imagine in todays world where an DVD
> ISO can be downloaded without any thought of the size or time.

Later on I did do some downloads and burn CD's at the university, was a
bit faster with 1Gb network than my 16.8k modem, but flat rate I could
start something in the evening, let it download during my time away...
but don't forget the good side of the slow modem speeds, internet pages
wasn't big and complex and you got the information a lot simpler than
today when you have to have accounts, been tracked by cookies and
pixels, javascript that tries to emulate how it would be as a stand
alone application.

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//Aho

On 2024-04-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
> On 26/04/2024 11.27, Simon wrote:
>> On 2024-04-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
>
>>> Keep in mind that binaries wasn't that big either, so it didn't take for
>>> ever to download applications, sure a full sized CD would take hours,
>>> worst was those multi disk releases that could sometimes take a day or
>>> so, I did have a dedicated phone line for my internet, so no risk of
>>> someone picking up the phone and break the connection, but sure when not
>>> having a dedicated line then things would be a bit random if you would
>>> finish a download or not, or your MUD session was broken at a critical
>>> stage in the adventure.
>>>
>> True, updating a system was easy but downloading an ISO to try was an ordeal, I
>> was grateful for the magazine CDs. Hard to imagine in todays world where an DVD
>> ISO can be downloaded without any thought of the size or time.
>
> Later on I did do some downloads and burn CD's at the university, was a
> bit faster with 1Gb network than my 16.8k modem, but flat rate I could
> start something in the evening, let it download during my time away...
> but don't forget the good side of the slow modem speeds, internet pages
> wasn't big and complex and you got the information a lot simpler than
> today when you have to have accounts, been tracked by cookies and
> pixels, javascript that tries to emulate how it would be as a stand
> alone application.
>

Ah yes but don't forget you needed to have Flash installed as many websites used
it and then all those games which were in Flash. OMG haha
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RLU: 222126

On 26/04/2024 12.31, Simon wrote:
> On 2024-04-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
>> On 26/04/2024 11.27, Simon wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Keep in mind that binaries wasn't that big either, so it didn't take for
>>>> ever to download applications, sure a full sized CD would take hours,
>>>> worst was those multi disk releases that could sometimes take a day or
>>>> so, I did have a dedicated phone line for my internet, so no risk of
>>>> someone picking up the phone and break the connection, but sure when not
>>>> having a dedicated line then things would be a bit random if you would
>>>> finish a download or not, or your MUD session was broken at a critical
>>>> stage in the adventure.
>>>>
>>> True, updating a system was easy but downloading an ISO to try was an ordeal, I
>>> was grateful for the magazine CDs. Hard to imagine in todays world where an DVD
>>> ISO can be downloaded without any thought of the size or time.
>>
>> Later on I did do some downloads and burn CD's at the university, was a
>> bit faster with 1Gb network than my 16.8k modem, but flat rate I could
>> start something in the evening, let it download during my time away...
>> but don't forget the good side of the slow modem speeds, internet pages
>> wasn't big and complex and you got the information a lot simpler than
>> today when you have to have accounts, been tracked by cookies and
>> pixels, javascript that tries to emulate how it would be as a stand
>> alone application.
>>
>
> Ah yes but don't forget you needed to have Flash installed as many websites used
> it and then all those games which were in Flash. OMG haha

yeah, that horror came a bit later, I still dream about the time before
when almost all sites had the under construction sign.

I know there was sites that was entirely built of flash, even on an
ms-windows those sites never worked fully out... and that jscript
appeared too, breaking everything, making sites only work fully on one
company's browser.

It was good times ;)

--
//Aho

On 2024-04-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
> On 26/04/2024 12.31, Simon wrote:
>> On 2024-04-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
>>> On 26/04/2024 11.27, Simon wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Keep in mind that binaries wasn't that big either, so it didn't take for
>>>>> ever to download applications, sure a full sized CD would take hours,
>>>>> worst was those multi disk releases that could sometimes take a day or
>>>>> so, I did have a dedicated phone line for my internet, so no risk of
>>>>> someone picking up the phone and break the connection, but sure when not
>>>>> having a dedicated line then things would be a bit random if you would
>>>>> finish a download or not, or your MUD session was broken at a critical
>>>>> stage in the adventure.
>>>>>
>>>> True, updating a system was easy but downloading an ISO to try was an ordeal, I
>>>> was grateful for the magazine CDs. Hard to imagine in todays world where an DVD
>>>> ISO can be downloaded without any thought of the size or time.
>>>
>>> Later on I did do some downloads and burn CD's at the university, was a
>>> bit faster with 1Gb network than my 16.8k modem, but flat rate I could
>>> start something in the evening, let it download during my time away...
>>> but don't forget the good side of the slow modem speeds, internet pages
>>> wasn't big and complex and you got the information a lot simpler than
>>> today when you have to have accounts, been tracked by cookies and
>>> pixels, javascript that tries to emulate how it would be as a stand
>>> alone application.
>>>
>>
>> Ah yes but don't forget you needed to have Flash installed as many websites used
>> it and then all those games which were in Flash. OMG haha
>
> yeah, that horror came a bit later, I still dream about the time before
> when almost all sites had the under construction sign.

Oh yes, I remember that, all the geocities pages :-)

> I know there was sites that was entirely built of flash, even on an
> ms-windows those sites never worked fully out... and that jscript
> appeared too, breaking everything, making sites only work fully on one
> company's browser.
All the css, if ie4 or ie5 etc I am so glad we don't do that anymore, oh wait.

>
> It was good times ;)
>
It was good to experience but I much prefer the way it is today, I pity those
who don't know what an adblocker is, or script blocker but for the www is a nice
place at the moment.

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On 4/25/24 03:21 AM, Kyonshi wrote:
> On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
>> Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu website there are major changes
>> to look out for. He has listed some at this link:
>>
>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>
>>
>> The beta changes were these:
>>
>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>
>>
>> I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.
>>
>> Good luck and post your views about this new release.
>>
>
> the shelves? do they even still make physical media?
>
>
>
Ubuntu seems to be really active on releases.
See Distro Watch and look at their list of releases.
Kubuntu 24.10
Ubuntu Studio 24.04
Ubuntu Budgie 24.4
Ubuntu Cinnamon 24.04
Ubuntu MATE 24.04
Xubuntu 24.04
Lubuntu 24.04
Ubuntu 24.04 (of course)
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On 4/26/2024 3:05 PM, Big Al wrote:
> On 4/25/24 03:21 AM, Kyonshi wrote:
>> On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
>>> Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
>>> website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some
>>> at this link:
>>>
>>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>
>>>
>>> The beta changes were these:
>>>
>>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>
>>>
>>> I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.
>>>
>>> Good luck and post your views about this new release.
>>>
>>
>> the shelves? do they even still make physical media?
>>
>>
>>
> Ubuntu seems to be really active on releases.
> See Distro Watch and look at their list of releases.
> Kubuntu 24.10
> Ubuntu Studio 24.04
> Ubuntu Budgie 24.4
> Ubuntu Cinnamon 24.04
> Ubuntu MATE 24.04
> Xubuntu 24.04
> Lubuntu 24.04
> Ubuntu 24.04 (of course)

well, yeah, they do a release every half a year for all of them.
it's kinda easy to be active if you release something on a 6 month
schedule.

How much they actually change is I guess a bit up for debate. I remember
a few where besides cosmetic changes nothing obvious really changed. On
the other hand that's better for people who need a stable work
environment. (hint towards Microsoft...)

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On 4/26/24 10:06 AM, Kyonshi wrote:
> On 4/26/2024 3:05 PM, Big Al wrote:
>> On 4/25/24 03:21 AM, Kyonshi wrote:
>>> On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>> Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu website there are major
>>>> changes to look out for. He has listed some at this link:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>
>>>>
>>>> The beta changes were these:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>
>>>>
>>>> I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck and post your views about this new release.
>>>>
>>>
>>> the shelves? do they even still make physical media?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Ubuntu seems to be really active on releases.
>> See Distro Watch and look at their list of releases.
>> Kubuntu 24.10
>> Ubuntu Studio 24.04
>> Ubuntu Budgie 24.4
>> Ubuntu Cinnamon 24.04
>> Ubuntu MATE 24.04
>> Xubuntu 24.04
>> Lubuntu 24.04
>> Ubuntu 24.04 (of course)
>
> well, yeah, they do a release every half a year for all of them.
> it's kinda easy to be active if you release something on a 6 month schedule.
>
> How much they actually change is I guess a bit up for debate. I remember a few where besides
> cosmetic changes nothing obvious really changed. On the other hand that's better for people who need
> a stable work environment. (hint towards Microsoft...)
>
In reading the article above, seems the replaced a few apps, installer for one. At least revamped.
Sounds like it would be fun to dump into a VM and play with, just to get the feel in my case.
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Al