Unicode is bothering me a bit.

Some Cyrillic characters totally change their form when
written in italics. The "T" then will look like an "m"
(in lower-case italics). But this symbol looking like an
"m" and meaning "T" in cyrillic has no code point in
Unicode (as far as I know).

And some fonts just render it using the same form as
in non-italics, just slanted. So, how can one insert the
italic form into a webpage (not resorting to images)?

On one device I found by trial and error that it needs
something like <i style="font-family: serif;"> or similar.
But on a different device or with a different app, this
might not work.

It's sad. Unicode is adding ridiculous "emoticons" for
fun users, but not very common letter forms for serious
users! And HTML gives us no standard fonts so that one
can be sure that a certain font exists for the client
/and/ has the correct symbols when <i> or "font-style:
italic;" is used.

On 28 Jul 2022 19:10:29 GMT, ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote in
<cursive-20220728195558@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>:

> Unicode is bothering me a bit.
>
> Some Cyrillic characters totally change their form when
> written in italics. The "T" then will look like an "m"
> (in lower-case italics). But this symbol looking like an
> "m" and meaning "T" in cyrillic has no code point in
> Unicode (as far as I know).
>
> And some fonts just render it using the same form as
> in non-italics, just slanted. So, how can one insert the
> italic form into a webpage (not resorting to images)?
>
> On one device I found by trial and error that it needs
> something like <i style="font-family: serif;"> or similar.
> But on a different device or with a different app, this
> might not work.
>
> It's sad. Unicode is adding ridiculous "emoticons" for
> fun users, but not very common letter forms for serious
> users! And HTML gives us no standard fonts so that one
> can be sure that a certain font exists for the client
> /and/ has the correct symbols when <i> or "font-style:
> italic;" is used.
>

Investigate using web fonts and/or embedded fonts. Search <<including font
in html>>

HTH

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Stefan Ram wrote:

> Unicode is bothering me a bit.
>
> Some Cyrillic characters totally change their form when
> written in italics. The "T" then will look like an "m"
> (in lower-case italics).

This is NOT a feature of Unicode, but of font faces which support Cyrillic
letters (typically those are Unicode-supporting fonts), and it is *expected*
by people who can read (and write) the Cyrillic script.

Because, for example, «т», the *lowercase* Cyrillic consonant equivalent to
the Latin “t”, is actually hand-written the same as a hand-written Latin “m”
(at least it is in Russian and German, languages that I speak,
respectively). [If your newsreader uses italics for quotations, you will
probably see this when this text is quoted.]

Cyrillic was derived (based on Glagolitic developed by [“Saint”] Cyril and
his brother, hence the name) from the Greek script, so there are many
similarities between them; however, one difference between them is that the
lowercase tau («τ») is hand-written differently from the lowercase «т» (I do
not know why, but the shape of the Glagolitic letter Tvrido/Tverdo «Ⱅ»,
perhaps “perhaps from crossbar of Greek tau τ”, suggests that it is the
origin.)

By contrast, “italic” is, as the name says, a style and concept developed
for the _Latin_ script:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italic_type>

“The name comes from the fact that calligraphy-inspired typefaces were first
designed in Italy, to replace documents traditionally written in a
handwriting style called “chancery hand”. Aldus Manutius and Ludovico
Arrighi (both between the 15th and 16th centuries) were the main type
designers involved in this process at the time.”

(Italian uses the Latin script; also, at the time books were mostly written
and printed in the Latin language. People who are familiar with desktop
publishing software or font faces will recognize the names “Aldus” and
“chancery”.)

So, again, the problem exists merely between keyboard and chair.

> meaning "T" in cyrillic has no code point in Unicode (as far as I know).

Such a nonsense, it is not even wrong.

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Y Lee Coyote wrote:

> On 28 Jul 2022 19:10:29 GMT, ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote in
> <cursive-20220728195558@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>:
>
>> Unicode is bothering me a bit.
>>
>> Some Cyrillic characters totally change their form when
>> written in italics. The "T" then will look like an "m"
>> (in lower-case italics). But this symbol looking like an
>> "m" and meaning "T" in cyrillic has no code point in
>> Unicode (as far as I know).

See my other, detailed answer.

>> [utter nonsense removed]
>
> Investigate using web fonts and/or embedded fonts. Search <<including font
> in html>>

This will not help because it is not a bug, but a feature.

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