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by: Spiros Bousbouras - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 01:12 UTC

On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 01:00:27 GMT
Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:
> From the «about F'ing time» department:
> Feed: Hacker News
> Title: Google Groups ending support for Usenet
> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 19:37:37 -0500
> Link: https://support.google.com/groups/answer/11036538?hl=en
>
> Comments[1]
>
> Links:
> [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38649554 (link)

There is already a thread on news.admin.net-abuse.usenet :
"Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet content".
But I'm quoting this for the ycombinator link.

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by: Jan van den Broek - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 06:46 UTC

2023-12-15, Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> schrieb:
> From the ??about F'ing time?? department:
> Feed: Hacker News
> Title: Google Groups ending support for Usenet
> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 19:37:37 -0500
> Link: https://support.google.com/groups/answer/11036538?hl=en

I see this as good news.
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by: yeti - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 07:09 UTC

Jan van den Broek <balglaas@dds.nl> writes:

> 2023-12-15, Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> schrieb:
>> From the ??about F'ing time?? department:
>> Feed: Hacker News
>> Title: Google Groups ending support for Usenet
>> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 19:37:37 -0500
>> Link: https://support.google.com/groups/answer/11036538?hl=en
>
> I see this as good news.
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by: Richmond - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 08:00 UTC

Jan van den Broek <balglaas@dds.nl> writes:

How will one search newsgroups?

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From: mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de (Marco Moock)
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by: Marco Moock - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 08:09 UTC

Am 15.12.2023 um 08:00:38 Uhr schrieb Richmond:

> Jan van den Broek <balglaas@dds.nl> writes:
>
> > 2023-12-15, Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> schrieb:
> >> From the ??about F'ing time?? department:
> >> Feed: Hacker News
> >> Title: Google Groups ending support for Usenet
> >> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 19:37:37 -0500
> >> Link: https://support.google.com/groups/answer/11036538?hl=en
> >
> > I see this as good news.
>
> How will one search newsgroups?

Use Google/DDG/Yandex/Bing with site:groups.google.com for the old
stuff and site:narkive.com for new.

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by: Stefan Ram - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 08:48 UTC

Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> writes:
>Title: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

It seems they will end the option to post via its interface.

When running a newsserver, handling of abuse reports is a very
time-consuming activity. Google is about automating business
processes. It seems that management of abuse reports is not that
easy to automate.

However, the recent successes of AI in the field of natural
language understanding actually should make it possible to
detect spam automatically better than ever before.

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by: Marco Moock - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 10:39 UTC

Am 15.12.2023 um 08:48:44 Uhr schrieb Stefan Ram:

> Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> writes:
> >Title: Google Groups ending support for Usenet
>
> It seems they will end the option to post via its interface.

They also stop the peering, so no new articles will reach Google Groups.

> When running a newsserver, handling of abuse reports is a very
> time-consuming activity. Google is about automating business
> processes. It seems that management of abuse reports is not that
> easy to automate.

They also don't care about spam from GMail or abuse from their cloud
services.

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by: Richmond - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 10:47 UTC

Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> writes:

> Am 15.12.2023 um 08:00:38 Uhr schrieb Richmond:
>
>> Jan van den Broek <balglaas@dds.nl> writes:
>>
>> > 2023-12-15, Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> schrieb:
>> >> From the ??about F'ing time?? department:
>> >> Feed: Hacker News
>> >> Title: Google Groups ending support for Usenet
>> >> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 19:37:37 -0500
>> >> Link: https://support.google.com/groups/answer/11036538?hl=en
>> >
>> > I see this as good news.
>>
>> How will one search newsgroups?
>
> Use Google/DDG/Yandex/Bing with site:groups.google.com for the old
> stuff and site:narkive.com for new.

Narkive is a rather small subset of groups.

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by: Sn!pe - Thu, 21 Dec 2023 15:42 UTC

Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> wrote:

> Richmond:
>
> > Narkive is a rather small subset of groups.
>

That's just the front page; use URLs in this format:-

<https://[desired.group].narkive.com>

>
> Can we hope that <www.usenetarchives.com> catches up?
>

Hope springs eternal in the human breast.

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My pet rock Gordon likes the closure of Google's Web2News gateway.

Subject	Author
Google groups ending support for Usenet	Retrograde
Re: Google groups ending support for Usenet	Spiros Bousbouras
Re: Google groups ending support for Usenet	Jan van den Broek
Re: Google groups ending support for Usenet	yeti
Re: Google groups ending support for Usenet	Richmond
Re: Google groups ending support for Usenet	Marco Moock
Re: Google groups ending support for Usenet	Richmond
Re: Google groups ending support for Usenet	Anton Shepelev
Re: Google groups ending support for Usenet	Sn!pe
Re: Google groups ending support for Usenet	Stefan Ram
Re: Google groups ending support for Usenet	Marco Moock