Canonical as the publisher of Ubuntu has every right to offer snaps out
of the box. Personal preferences don't matter as far as enterprise
oriented distributions like RHEL, SLES and Ubuntu are concerned.

S. Roy

On Sun Jan 1 23:18:35 2023 Saptarshi Roy wrote:
> Canonical as the publisher of Ubuntu has every right to offer snaps out
> of the box. Personal preferences don't matter as far as enterprise
> oriented distributions like RHEL, SLES and Ubuntu are concerned.
>
>
> S. Roy

Yes, but you know what, dissatisfied users have the right to go and do something else.

I suspect something like "Freebuntu" or "Openbuntu" or "Librebuntu" will spring up from the dissatisfied users creating a fork.

Saptarshi Roy wrote:
> Canonical as the publisher of Ubuntu has every right to offer snaps out
> of the box.

That is correct, but unlike a 'cathedral' operation like MS or Apple,
when you are in the bazaar world, the (lack of) popularity of your
decisions can have an adverse effect.

> Personal preferences don't matter as far as enterprise
> oriented distributions like RHEL, SLES and Ubuntu are concerned.

I don't think I agree w/ that part. Maybe RedHat; not so much the
'lesser' enterprise operations like SLES & Canonical.

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Mike Easter

On 01/01/2023 18:10, TheAppleFox wrote:
> On Sun Jan 1 23:18:35 2023 Saptarshi Roy wrote:
>> Canonical as the publisher of Ubuntu has every right to offer snaps out
>> of the box. Personal preferences don't matter as far as enterprise
>> oriented distributions like RHEL, SLES and Ubuntu are concerned.
>>
>>
>> S. Roy
> Yes, but you know what, dissatisfied users have the right to go and do something else.
>
> I suspect something like "Freebuntu" or "Openbuntu" or "Librebuntu" will spring up from the dissatisfied users creating a fork.

But the impact on Canonical's business model won't see any significant
impact because Linux distros have come and gone but Canonical is still here.

Ubuntu is not an open source project. I don't know what does this mean:
"open source from cloud to desktop and devices". The back-end is open
source but the UI is very tightly controlled. Have you seen the source
code of the UI anywhere?

As far as I can see Ubuntu is supported by most Cloud platform but you
will be hard pressed to find Mint anywhere on the major cloud suppliers
like Azure, Google, IBM, Oracle etc etc. Ubuntu is a serious product
built on the premise that it should be self financing while most distros
depend on volunteers and they can come and go and some may even fall out
because of disagreements about something. Ubuntu employs people so they
will work to be paid or simply move on and do something else.

Am 01.01.2023 um 18:30:00 Uhr schrieb Albert:

> Ubuntu is not an open source project. I don't know what does this
> mean: "open source from cloud to desktop and devices". The back-end
> is open source but the UI is very tightly controlled. Have you seen
> the source code of the UI anywhere?

Ubuntu uses GNOME as its default GUI. This is free software, so you
have all the rights, including reading the source code.

On 1/1/23 10:30, Albert wrote:
> Ubuntu is not an open source project.

It most certainly is. Don't go talking nonsense and spreading lies.

> <snip> The back-end is open
> source but the UI is very tightly controlled. Have you seen the source
> code of the UI anywhere?

WTF are you talking about? Please just stop talking. This is embarrassing.

On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 23:18:35 +0530, Saptarshi Roy wrote:

> Canonical as the publisher of Ubuntu has every right to offer snaps out
> of the box. Personal preferences don't matter as far as enterprise
> oriented distributions like RHEL, SLES and Ubuntu are concerned.

An enterprise distro that comes with a browser that you can’t use to file
your taxes (or otherwise interact with the government) in several
countries, because you can’t use smartcards (and thus no eID) inside
snaps? I don’t call that an enterprise distro...

(Also, the forced updates are another issue for enterprises, I would
think.)

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On 21/01/2023 7:03, JanC wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 23:18:35 +0530, Saptarshi Roy wrote:
>
>> Canonical as the publisher of Ubuntu has every right to offer snaps out
>> of the box. Personal preferences don't matter as far as enterprise
>> oriented distributions like RHEL, SLES and Ubuntu are concerned.
>
> An enterprise distro that comes with a browser that you can’t use to file
> your taxes (or otherwise interact with the government) in several
> countries, because you can’t use smartcards (and thus no eID) inside
> snaps? I don’t call that an enterprise distro...
>
> (Also, the forced updates are another issue for enterprises, I would
> think.)
>
>
Because of my personal objection to systemd, I am in the (slow) process of moving from Ubuntu to mxlinux.
So far have moved a couple of laptops.
As a side benefit -- without systemd, there are no snaps, OOTB.
Also there is a useful snapshot built-in, memories of Remastersys, which I used for a few years.
Just one data point.

Mike
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On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 23:18:35 +0530, Saptarshi Roy wrote:

> Canonical as the publisher of Ubuntu has every right to offer snaps out
> of the box. Personal preferences don't matter as far as enterprise
> oriented distributions like RHEL, SLES and Ubuntu are concerned.

Ubuntu.... enterprise distro? Hahahahahahahahaha LOL

Dumbass.

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