On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 15:39:50 -0000 (UTC)
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:

> Getting high schools to a Usenet project should be
> the advocacy of everyone here!

Moderated NNTP newsgroups are well-suited to academic environments.

In certain academic and scientific circles much communication is still done via email using clients that still have built-in NNTP capability.

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On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 18:57:22 +0200
Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:

> Especially if it's something as complicated
> as setting up a working nntp server

The community could bridge that gap with automagic configuration scripts and a GUI / TUI config client.

Rocksolid is on that track.

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In article <uvovq7$1nbp8$3@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 4/17/2024 5:39 PM, The Doctor wrote:
>> In article <uvodbh$1jboj$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/17/2024 1:03 PM, Retro Guy wrote:
>>>> The Doctor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <uvmi06$13lru$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi
>>>>> <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/14/2024 2:11 PM, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>> What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> define young.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am working on getting one running, although most likely focused on
>>>>>> a few specific groups. but considering I reinstalled the OS at least
>>>>>> three times since I decided to do that it might still take a while.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> maybe next week or so
>>>>
>>>>> There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing
>>>>> the last 3 months!
>>>>
>>>> I remember. They just kind of disappeared.
>>>> The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of
>>>> "the kids".
>>>>
>>>
>>> Or they realised that it was more work than they thought for not enough
>>> shiny, and they had to rework their plans.
>>> It's not necessarily that people just give up because stuff is hard,
>>> there is limited time in the day and people have other stuff to do.
>>
>> Actually the more work you do, the more you get familiar!
>>
>> Getting high schools to a Usenet project should be
>> the advocacy of everyone here!
>
>I'm not saying it's not worth it, I'm just saying they might have to
>restructure their plans because school projects have a certain amount of
>time allocated to them, and once it's getting close to the completion
>date it's just not possible to do everything. Especially if it's
>something as complicated as setting up a working nntp server if even the
>terminal might not be the first thing people think about when using
>computers.
>
>(I learned how to use computers on DOS, my son doesn't have a clue what
>this black thing I am using for work is)

At this level , Internet should be defined as
a network of computers running various services.
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>
> The community could bridge that gap with automagic configuration scripts and
> a GUI / TUI config client.
>
> Rocksolid is on that track.
>

This above, 100% agree.

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Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 11:03 this Wednesday (GMT):
> The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <uvmi06$13lru$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On 4/14/2024 2:11 PM, The Doctor wrote:
>>>> What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?
>>>
>>>define young.
>>>
>>>I am working on getting one running, although most likely focused on a
>>>few specific groups. but considering I reinstalled the OS at least three
>>>times since I decided to do that it might still take a while.
>>>
>>>maybe next week or so
>
>> There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing the last 3 months!
>
> I remember. They just kind of disappeared.
>
> The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of "the kids".

Not blocked here! They have more important things to block, like Github
(yes really)
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candycanearter07 wrote:

> Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 11:03 this Wednesday (GMT):
>> The Doctor wrote:
>>
>>> In article <uvmi06$13lru$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>On 4/14/2024 2:11 PM, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>> What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?
>>>>
>>>>define young.
>>>>
>>>>I am working on getting one running, although most likely focused on a
>>>>few specific groups. but considering I reinstalled the OS at least three
>>>>times since I decided to do that it might still take a while.
>>>>
>>>>maybe next week or so
>>
>>> There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing the last 3 months!
>>
>> I remember. They just kind of disappeared.
>>
>> The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of "the kids".

> Not blocked here! They have more important things to block, like Github
> (yes really)

Lol, github is blocked at my wife's district also.

When she found out that I used github, her first reaction was that I was using some bad website. I had to explain it to her.

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Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 15:39 this Thursday (GMT):
> candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 11:03 this Wednesday (GMT):
>>> The Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <uvmi06$13lru$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>On 4/14/2024 2:11 PM, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>> What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?
>>>>>
>>>>>define young.
>>>>>
>>>>>I am working on getting one running, although most likely focused on a
>>>>>few specific groups. but considering I reinstalled the OS at least three
>>>>>times since I decided to do that it might still take a while.
>>>>>
>>>>>maybe next week or so
>>>
>>>> There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing the last 3 months!
>>>
>>> I remember. They just kind of disappeared.
>>>
>>> The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of "the kids".
>
>
>> Not blocked here! They have more important things to block, like Github
>> (yes really)
>
> Lol, github is blocked at my wife's district also.
>
> When she found out that I used github, her first reaction was that I was using some bad website. I had to explain it to her.

It's even worse here, because like some of the clubs use it actively and
had to get a hotspot to even work.
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candycanearter07 wrote:

> Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 15:39 this Thursday (GMT):
>> candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>>> Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 11:03 this Wednesday (GMT):
>>>> The Doctor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <uvmi06$13lru$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>On 4/14/2024 2:11 PM, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>> What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>define young.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am working on getting one running, although most likely focused on a
>>>>>>few specific groups. but considering I reinstalled the OS at least three
>>>>>>times since I decided to do that it might still take a while.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>maybe next week or so
>>>>
>>>>> There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing the last 3 months!
>>>>
>>>> I remember. They just kind of disappeared.
>>>>
>>>> The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of "the kids".
>>
>>
>>> Not blocked here! They have more important things to block, like Github
>>> (yes really)
>>
>> Lol, github is blocked at my wife's district also.
>>
>> When she found out that I used github, her first reaction was that I was using some bad website. I had to explain it to her.

> It's even worse here, because like some of the clubs use it actively and
> had to get a hotspot to even work.

What a pain :(

Seems many districts just block things by default. It's paranoia in my opinion. I know the IT head, and he has a god complex.

At least they block wikipedia at her district :)

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Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 16:26 this Thursday (GMT):
> candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 15:39 this Thursday (GMT):
>>> candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 11:03 this Wednesday (GMT):
>>>>> The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <uvmi06$13lru$1@dont-email.me>, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>On 4/14/2024 2:11 PM, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>> What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>define young.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I am working on getting one running, although most likely focused on a
>>>>>>>few specific groups. but considering I reinstalled the OS at least three
>>>>>>>times since I decided to do that it might still take a while.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>maybe next week or so
>>>>>
>>>>>> There was a high school studnet wanting to set up an NNTP node withing the last 3 months!
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember. They just kind of disappeared.
>>>>>
>>>>> The school IT dept probably decided to block Usenet for the safety of "the kids".
>>>
>>>
>>>> Not blocked here! They have more important things to block, like Github
>>>> (yes really)
>>>
>>> Lol, github is blocked at my wife's district also.
>>>
>>> When she found out that I used github, her first reaction was that I was using some bad website. I had to explain it to her.
>
>
>> It's even worse here, because like some of the clubs use it actively and
>> had to get a hotspot to even work.
>
> What a pain :(
>
> Seems many districts just block things by default. It's paranoia in my opinion. I know the IT head, and he has a god complex.
>
> At least they block wikipedia at her district :)

Wikipedia is fine
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On 4/18/24 11:26, Retro Guy wrote:
> Seems many districts just block things by default. It's paranoia in my
> opinion.

I used to help a k-8 school district and they had legal obligations to
filter / block some things.

The school board decided to only allow specific things and block
everything else. It's really the only safe way to be reasonably sure
that students aren't going to the latest and greatest undesirable site.

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Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> writes:

> The school board decided to only allow specific things and block
> everything else. It's really the only safe way to be reasonably sure
> that students aren't going to the latest and greatest undesirable site.

Also, in some cases more relevantly, it's the only way to mostly avoid
having some parent scream at you for exposing their child to something
they disapprove of. The parents who think their children should have
reasonable Internet access tend to get out-shouted by the parents who
think that any exposure to parentally unapproved material may transform
their precious 17-year-olds into hardened criminals or damned atheists.

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On 17 Apr 2024 12:42:41 GMT
ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote:

> Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote or quoted:
> >define young.
>
> I reckon it boils down to this:
>
> Folks live to be around 75 years old, then kick the bucket.
>
> Now, that number "75" kinda naturally lends itself to
> a three-way split, if you catch my drift, at 25 and 50.
>
> That means: until you hit 25, you're still young,
> and once you hit 50, you're old.
>
> When you hit the big 5-0, you're starin' down the barrel of the
> last leg of this here life journey, the pre-mortal phase,
[]

>
> I was just tryin' to paint a picture of what I reckon the young'uns
> these days think about the Usenet, not spoutin' off my own two
> cents, 'cause shoot, I ain't no spring chicken myself anymore.

If you wish to communicate here, you'd be advised to stop posting
via your 8 year old hick cousin. Jus' Sayin'.
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In news.software.nntp Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On 17 Apr 2024 12:42:41 GMT
> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote:
>> Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote or quoted:
>> >define young.
>>
>> I reckon it boils down to this:
>>
>> Folks live to be around 75 years old, then kick the bucket.
>>
>> Now, that number "75" kinda naturally lends itself to
>> a three-way split, if you catch my drift, at 25 and 50.
>>
>> That means: until you hit 25, you're still young,
>> and once you hit 50, you're old.
>>
>> When you hit the big 5-0, you're starin' down the barrel of the
>> last leg of this here life journey, the pre-mortal phase,
> []
>>
>> I was just tryin' to paint a picture of what I reckon the young'uns
>> these days think about the Usenet, not spoutin' off my own two
>> cents, 'cause shoot, I ain't no spring chicken myself anymore.
>
>
> If you wish to communicate here, you'd be advised to stop posting
> via your 8 year old hick cousin. Jus' Sayin'.

I for one have been quite enjoying the recent emergence of this
"hick cousin" here and in other groups. Far more entertaining than
anyone attempting to "define young" in purely technical terms.

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Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:

> In news.software.nntp Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> > On 17 Apr 2024 12:42:41 GMT
> > ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote:
> >> Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote or quoted:
> >> >define young.
> >>
> >> I reckon it boils down to this:
> >>
> >> Folks live to be around 75 years old, then kick the bucket.
> >>
> >> Now, that number "75" kinda naturally lends itself to
> >> a three-way split, if you catch my drift, at 25 and 50.
> >>
> >> That means: until you hit 25, you're still young,
> >> and once you hit 50, you're old.
> >>
> >> When you hit the big 5-0, you're starin' down the barrel of the
> >> last leg of this here life journey, the pre-mortal phase,
> > []
> >>
> >> I was just tryin' to paint a picture of what I reckon the young'uns
> >> these days think about the Usenet, not spoutin' off my own two
> >> cents, 'cause shoot, I ain't no spring chicken myself anymore.
> >
> >
> > If you wish to communicate here, you'd be advised to stop posting
> > via your 8 year old hick cousin. Jus' Sayin'.
>
> I for one have been quite enjoying the recent emergence of this
> "hick cousin" here and in other groups. Far more entertaining than
> anyone attempting to "define young" in purely technical terms.

What a pity that it's so very obviously put on, artificial.
As a joke, it's become very old very quickly. My 2¢.

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On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 11:42:47 -0700
Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org> wrote:

> he parents who think their children should have
> reasonable Internet access tend to get out-shouted by the parents who
> think that any exposure to parentally unapproved material may transform
> their precious 17-year-olds into hardened criminals or damned atheists.

"Reasonable internet access ..."

Excuse me while I hysterically laugh myself to death!

There is no level of "reasonable internet access" for anyone under the age of 40. No psyche is left undamaged by even brief exposure to cyberspace. I'm certain the Usenet trolls already proved that at least two decades ago.

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SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug> writes:
> Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org> wrote:

>> The parents who think their children should have reasonable Internet
>> access tend to get out-shouted by the parents who think that any
>> exposure to parentally unapproved material may transform their precious
>> 17-year-olds into hardened criminals or damned atheists.

> "Reasonable internet access ..."

> Excuse me while I hysterically laugh myself to death!

> There is no level of "reasonable internet access" for anyone under the
> age of 40. No psyche is left undamaged by even brief exposure to
> cyberspace. I'm certain the Usenet trolls already proved that at least
> two decades ago.

Well, yes, deciding the Internet was a bad idea and no one should use it
is also a position one could have. :) Some days I'd even agree with you!

I'm pretty sure it's also pretty bad for people over 40 years old. There
is a brief moment on your 40th birthday when the Internet is safe and you
should treasure it. Retroactively if necessary.

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On 18.04.2024 um 13:14 Uhr Grant Taylor wrote:

> The school board decided to only allow specific things and block
> everything else. It's really the only safe way to be reasonably sure
> that students aren't going to the latest and greatest undesirable
> site.

Until they heard of SSL-VPN (via TCP port 443). That can be easily
implemented in ocserv on Linux and looks like normal web traffic.

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On 4/19/24 02:12, Marco Moock wrote:
> Until they heard of SSL-VPN (via TCP port 443). That can be easily
> implemented in ocserv on Linux and looks like normal web traffic.

Except for the fact that the school used a TLS bumping proxy and you
couldn't initiate TLS traffic without passing through the bumping proxy.
The bumping proxy could effectively block TLS VPNs.

Access to the Internet is not the same as being on the Internet. The
school computers had access to the Internet. Access that was easily
filtered / blocked.

Trying to usurp the filtering garnered an unpleasant conversation.

It was more pleasant to try to connect to a site, find out it was
blocked, fill out the form to request it be unblocked, and follow the
process.

Sometimes they would allow a student to use a teacher's computer (or the
teacher could sign in to a student computer / proxy) and the teacher
could supervise what the student was doing.

It worked well, it provided the desired access to the Internet, and it
provided a reasonable amount of protection using the technology
available at the time.

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They came aboard and saw what kind of network they'd be supporting, and
they noped out.

I'm 24 and I've rattled the idea around my head a couple times. Each time,
I am demotivated by the kind of person I come across, one of whom I quote
directly and whose question I am responding to.

As of Sun, 14 Apr 2024 12:11:22 -0000 (UTC), in message
uvgh5a$1d8l$10@gallifrey.nk.ca, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
wrote:

> What happened to the young people who wanted to set up a Usenet node?

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On 4/19/24 09:56, The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning wrote:
> I'm 24 and I've rattled the idea around my head a couple times. Each
> time, I am demotivated by the kind of person I come across,

ProTip: Aspire to more. You will fail. But failure part of the
learning process.

Even if you fail when aspiring to mire, you will quite likely be in a
better position than you were before you tried.

I think I'm qualified to say Pro because I've been paid for the last 20
years for 10:aspiring, 20:failing, 30:goto 10.

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Grant Taylor wrote:

> On 4/19/24 09:56, The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning wrote:
>> I'm 24 and I've rattled the idea around my head a couple times. Each
>> time, I am demotivated by the kind of person I come across,

> ProTip: Aspire to more. You will fail. But failure part of the
> learning process.

> Even if you fail when aspiring to mire, you will quite likely be in a
> better position than you were before you tried.

> I think I'm qualified to say Pro because I've been paid for the last 20
> years for 10:aspiring, 20:failing, 30:goto 10.

I agree. Fear of failure will just keep a person from accomplishing much of anything.

It's good to realize that people who end up producing something awesome didn't just get it done on the first try, they tried, and tried again with persistence.

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On 2024-04-14, rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-04-14, Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>> On 4/14/24 08:02, Retro Guy wrote:
>>> Maybe they found out that it takes effort?
>
> LOL
>
>>
>> Chuckle.
>>
>> There does seem to be an inverse relationship between the amount of
>> effort to do something and the number of people doing it.
>>
> I am not young but we created a node like 10 months a go
> news.hispagatos.org and we been getting people to sing up.
>

also very much not young, set up a node, have peering working, am very
happy with the results.

probably helps that I admin'd one in Uni back in the dickety's, but that
was on VAX/VMS and light years removed from INN2 and friends.

On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 15:35:54 +0000,
Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote:
> Grant Taylor wrote:
> > On 4/19/24 09:56, The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning wrote:
> >> I'm 24 and I've rattled the idea around my head a couple
> >> times. Each time, I am demotivated by the kind of person I
> >> come across,
>
> > ProTip: Aspire to more. You will fail. But failure part of
> > the learning process.
>
> > Even if you fail when aspiring to mire, you will quite likely
> > be in a better position than you were before you tried.
>
> > I think I'm qualified to say Pro because I've been paid for
> > the last 20 years for 10:aspiring, 20:failing, 30:goto 10.
>
> I agree. Fear of failure will just keep a person from
> accomplishing much of anything.
>
> It's good to realize that people who end up producing something
> awesome didn't just get it done on the first try, they tried,
> and tried again with persistence.

You responders are of course correct about the benefits of not
letting fear stop action, but I read the OP more as a matter of
asking why make the effort when it just increases contact with
unwanted folks (and behaviors). Maybe I misread.

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Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote at 15:35 this Friday (GMT):
> Grant Taylor wrote:
>
>> On 4/19/24 09:56, The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning wrote:
>>> I'm 24 and I've rattled the idea around my head a couple times. Each
>>> time, I am demotivated by the kind of person I come across,
>
>> ProTip: Aspire to more. You will fail. But failure part of the
>> learning process.
>
>> Even if you fail when aspiring to mire, you will quite likely be in a
>> better position than you were before you tried.
>
>> I think I'm qualified to say Pro because I've been paid for the last 20
>> years for 10:aspiring, 20:failing, 30:goto 10.
>
> I agree. Fear of failure will just keep a person from accomplishing much of anything.
>
> It's good to realize that people who end up producing something awesome didn't just get it done on the first try, they tried, and tried again with persistence.

Agreed, it really sucks to be too afraid to start.
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On 04/19/2024 01:03 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 15:35:54 +0000,
> Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote:
>> Grant Taylor wrote:
>>> On 4/19/24 09:56, The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning wrote:
>>>> I'm 24 and I've rattled the idea around my head a couple
>>>> times. Each time, I am demotivated by the kind of person I
>>>> come across,
>>
>>> ProTip: Aspire to more. You will fail. But failure part of
>>> the learning process.
>>
>>> Even if you fail when aspiring to mire, you will quite likely
>>> be in a better position than you were before you tried.
>>
>>> I think I'm qualified to say Pro because I've been paid for
>>> the last 20 years for 10:aspiring, 20:failing, 30:goto 10.
>>
>> I agree. Fear of failure will just keep a person from
>> accomplishing much of anything.
>>
>> It's good to realize that people who end up producing something
>> awesome didn't just get it done on the first try, they tried,
>> and tried again with persistence.
>
> You responders are of course correct about the benefits of not
> letting fear stop action, but I read the OP more as a matter of
> asking why make the effort when it just increases contact with
> unwanted folks (and behaviors). Maybe I misread.
>

These days standing up Internet services involves basically
putting up a fire-wall and putting up a spam-wall.

Usenet at least is just a protocol and doesn't share all
your habits necessarily with all the gruesome "shadows"
and "ad mods" or whatever else the "moderators" are doing
these days with very brown, very blue noses.

Of course it's an Internet protocol and whatever goes over
the Ethernet packetry more or less goes through an Internet
Service Provider, more or less, or more, or less.

If you leave out alt.binaries, Usenet can be a pretty great
place. There really is a sort of anti-spam approach in effect.
It really does sort of adhere to the spirit of the charters,
of the Usenet groups. The netiquette is encouraged.

So, how to put up a spam-wall, basically I've been thinking
about this as a "NOOBNB" approach. What this is is that
there are three kinds of posters, New, Old, and Off, and
three kinds of non-posters, Bots, Non, and Bad. The idea
is that any kind of determination of this fundamentally
has to be entirely open and same for all, i.e., not in
the hands of shady, duplicitous individuals lurking on
their little click-farm feeds.

So, the NOOBNB approach, basically makes for editions
of the feed, sort of Cur, Raw, and Pur, where, Cur
is Curated and only New/Old/Off, i.e. it's curated ham
not spam and it's the feed, then Pur, is purgatory,
where New posters are born as Non posters, then about
how to make it so that Non posters result New posters.

Then Bad posters don't get into Cur, and how to make
it so that if a poster turns Bad (and not just Off)
is similar as to how Non becomes New. Then Bot,
is just sort of the other category that's in Raw
but not in Cur. The idea is that any posts whatsoever,
that get past a sort of spam-wall black-hole,
arrive in Raw, and if they're new, which is determined
by them not existing in the list of existing posters
to anywhere in Usenet, then they arrive also in Pur
as Non. The idea is to actually sort of prevent
nym-shifting and email-faking then how to figure out
how to make it so that posters arrive from Non to
New. It's sort of figured that the Usenet peer,
or here that the idea is that NOOBNB makes for
Usenet "compeers", basically makes some hoops like
2FA and "reading the charter" and "agreeing to the
charter", to promote from Non to New. Then New,
after they post a few times, graduate to Old, then
Off, is basically for off-topic posters, about
whether Old and Off vacillate, and just to make
it so that they're all in the Cur curated feed,
yet, there's basically an attribute to filter
off all the Off.

So, that's sort of the idea, to setup an Internet
service that is behind a firewall sort of courtesy
that the host on the Ethernet is behind a firewall
and otherwise subject its exposure on the Internet,
then that the spam-wall basically figures that
the same sort of posts as arrive as spam would
arrive as spam emails, then that the proof-of-effort
and voucher-of-conduct sort of thing prevents most
of the Usenet compeers employing a NOOBNB approach,
from flooding their compeers with spam.

I.e., the idea is to use the existing protocol,
and a sort of modern approach in front of it,
to make it much simplified and uncomplicated,
to stand up Internet services and here Usenet compeers,
then as with regards to compeering and groups,
then as with regards to making whatever format
of the Internet messages go in the groups,
like MIME and HTML email, and whatever front-end
makes for interacting with what's behind the
protocol, like IMAP for MIME and HTML email,
or a web frontend in HTTP and HTML.

I've been tapping away on this for a while on
a thread on sci.math called "Meta: a usenet
server just for sci.math", which describes
sort of the technical part of implementing
an Internet service with NNTP or other text-based
Internet protocols, then the considerations with
regards to "NOOBNB: a compeering system",
then here also recently about "AAAATU: archive
any and all text usenet".