I tried using Time Shift but it didn't restore the older version of the
system files that I selected. Are there any apps that work better for
restoring?

On 9/16/2022 10:16 AM, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
> I tried using Time Shift but it didn't restore the older version of the system files that I selected. Are there any apps that work better for restoring?

https://www.makeuseof.com/use-timeshift-backup-and-restore-linux-snapshots/

"In case you aren't able to boot into your system, you can try booting
into it using a live USB stick and then use Timeshift to restore it to
its previous working state and fix any broken or misconfigured
system component, setting, or file."

Maybe that would work as an approach ?

Paul

On 9/16/22 12:16 PM, Paul wrote:
> On 9/16/2022 10:16 AM, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
>> I tried using Time Shift but it didn't restore the older version of
>> the system files that I selected. Are there any apps that work better
>> for restoring?
>
> https://www.makeuseof.com/use-timeshift-backup-and-restore-linux-snapshots/
>
>
>    "In case you aren't able to boot into your system, you can try booting
>     into it using a live USB stick and then use Timeshift to restore
> it to
>     its previous working state and fix any broken or misconfigured
>     system component, setting, or file."
>
> Maybe that would work as an approach ?
>
>    Paul

Paul you sound uncertain, 'you can try' or 'maybe that would work"???????

The op was looking for an alternative to Time Shift. I gave up on Time
Shift a long time ago, currently I use an external cloning docking
device, where I place my primary (working drive) and copy/clone to a
target (second drive). Has not failed me yet.

On 9/16/2022 3:17 PM, Nic wrote:
> On 9/16/22 12:16 PM, Paul wrote:
>> On 9/16/2022 10:16 AM, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
>>> I tried using Time Shift but it didn't restore the older version of the system files that I selected. Are there any apps that work better for restoring?
>>
>> https://www.makeuseof.com/use-timeshift-backup-and-restore-linux-snapshots/
>>
>>    "In case you aren't able to boot into your system, you can try booting
>>     into it using a live USB stick and then use Timeshift to restore it to
>>     its previous working state and fix any broken or misconfigured
>>     system component, setting, or file."
>>
>> Maybe that would work as an approach ?
>>
>>    Paul
>
> Paul you sound uncertain, 'you can try' or 'maybe that would work"???????
>
> The op was looking for an alternative to Time Shift. I gave up on Time Shift a long time ago, currently I use an external cloning docking device, where I place my primary (working drive) and copy/clone to a target (second drive). Has not failed me yet.
>

Backup and restore, generally works best when the target
partition is not being used. And that's for a partition
where files are busy and will not release.

Any time a tool gives you a problem, think back to the
general principles that apply. If a tool is "refusing",
then look at an alternate way to run it where it won't
refuse.

Paul

On 9/16/22 5:12 PM, Paul wrote:
> On 9/16/2022 3:17 PM, Nic wrote:
>> On 9/16/22 12:16 PM, Paul wrote:
>>> On 9/16/2022 10:16 AM, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
>>>> I tried using Time Shift but it didn't restore the older version of
>>>> the system files that I selected. Are there any apps that work
>>>> better for restoring?
>>>
>>> https://www.makeuseof.com/use-timeshift-backup-and-restore-linux-snapshots/
>>>
>>>
>>>    "In case you aren't able to boot into your system, you can try
>>> booting
>>>     into it using a live USB stick and then use Timeshift to restore
>>> it to
>>>     its previous working state and fix any broken or misconfigured
>>>     system component, setting, or file."
>>>
>>> Maybe that would work as an approach ?
>>>
>>>    Paul
>>
>> Paul you sound uncertain, 'you can try' or 'maybe that would
>> work"???????
>>
>> The op was looking for an alternative to Time Shift. I gave up on
>> Time Shift a long time ago, currently I use an external cloning
>> docking device, where I place my primary (working drive) and
>> copy/clone to a target (second drive). Has not failed me yet.
>>
>
> Backup and restore, generally works best when the target
> partition is not being used. And that's for a partition
> where files are busy and will not release.
>
> Any time a tool gives you a problem, think back to the
> general principles that apply. If a tool is "refusing",
> then look at an alternate way to run it where it won't
> refuse.
>
>    Paul
>
Paul you exasperate me, on the one hand you are very knowledgeable about
the coding and purpose of said hard ware and software issues, but rarely
delve into the core issues of purpose of life's gratitude's. PS: I think
you are wonderful.

On 09/16/2022 04:17 PM, Nic wrote:
> The op was looking for an alternative to Time Shift. I gave up on Time
> Shift a long time ago, currently I use an external cloning docking
> device, where I place my primary (working drive) and copy/clone to a
> target (second drive). Has not failed me yet.

Then I can copy the /root folder to an external drive and use that
instead of fighting with trash like Time Shift?

On 9/16/22 17:12, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
> On 09/16/2022 04:17 PM, Nic wrote:
>> The op was looking for an alternative to Time Shift. I gave up on Time
>> Shift a long time ago, currently I use an external cloning docking
>> device, where I place my primary (working drive) and copy/clone to a
>> target (second drive). Has not failed me yet.
>
> Then I can copy the /root folder to an external drive and use that
> instead of fighting with trash like Time Shift?

Timeshift is not trash but you have to understand how to employ it. At
times it can be difficult to use because your backup partition
or drive may not be mounted when you use external drives.

Use whatever tool you want to use but read its documentation before you
try to use it.

bliss-“Nearly any fool can use a GNU/Linux computer. Many do.” After all
here I am...

--
bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

"Dr. Noah Bodie" <noah@bodie.not> wrote in news:tg33e2$fre$1
@gioia.aioe.org:

> On 09/16/2022 04:17 PM, Nic wrote:
>> The op was looking for an alternative to Time Shift. I gave up on
Time
>> Shift a long time ago, currently I use an external cloning docking
>> device, where I place my primary (working drive) and copy/clone to a
>> target (second drive). Has not failed me yet.
>
> Then I can copy the /root folder to an external drive and use that
> instead of fighting with trash like Time Shift?

If you planning on using usb to copy your home folder to an external
drive be prepared that something is broken, if it is a software
solution , not the answer, it appears that the coders have lost contact
with the beast they thought they have tamed.

On 16.09.2022 at 17:33, Bobbie Sellers scribbled:

> On 9/16/22 17:12, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
> > On 09/16/2022 04:17 PM, Nic wrote:
> >> The op was looking for an alternative to Time Shift. I gave up on
> >> Time Shift a long time ago, currently I use an external cloning
> >> docking device, where I place my primary (working drive) and
> >> copy/clone to a target (second drive). Has not failed me yet.
> >
> > Then I can copy the /root folder to an external drive and use that
> > instead of fighting with trash like Time Shift?
>
> Timeshift is not trash but you have to understand how to
> employ it. At times it can be difficult to use because your backup
> partition or drive may not be mounted when you use external drives.

It now automatically mounts and unmounts the filesystem with the
backups. ;)

> Use whatever tool you want to use but read its documentation
> before you try to use it.

+100

--
With respect,
= Aragorn =

On 9/16/2022 5:27 PM, Nic wrote:
> On 9/16/22 5:12 PM, Paul wrote:
>> On 9/16/2022 3:17 PM, Nic wrote:
>>> On 9/16/22 12:16 PM, Paul wrote:
>>>> On 9/16/2022 10:16 AM, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
>>>>> I tried using Time Shift but it didn't restore the older version of the system files that I selected. Are there any apps that work better for restoring?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.makeuseof.com/use-timeshift-backup-and-restore-linux-snapshots/
>>>>
>>>>    "In case you aren't able to boot into your system, you can try booting
>>>>     into it using a live USB stick and then use Timeshift to restore it to
>>>>     its previous working state and fix any broken or misconfigured
>>>>     system component, setting, or file."
>>>>
>>>> Maybe that would work as an approach ?
>>>>
>>>>    Paul
>>>
>>> Paul you sound uncertain, 'you can try' or 'maybe that would work"???????
>>>
>>> The op was looking for an alternative to Time Shift. I gave up on Time Shift a long time ago, currently I use an external cloning docking device, where I place my primary (working drive) and copy/clone to a target (second drive). Has not failed me yet.
>>>
>>
>> Backup and restore, generally works best when the target
>> partition is not being used. And that's for a partition
>> where files are busy and will not release.
>>
>> Any time a tool gives you a problem, think back to the
>> general principles that apply. If a tool is "refusing",
>> then look at an alternate way to run it where it won't
>> refuse.
>>
>>    Paul
>>
> Paul you exasperate me, on the one hand you are very knowledgeable about the coding and purpose of said hard ware and software issues, but rarely delve into the core issues of purpose of life's gratitude's. PS: I think you are wonderful.
>
>

OK, make it dull and boring if you wish.

Here's your link.

https://www.makeuseof.com/use-timeshift-backup-and-restore-linux-snapshots/

"2. Restore a Snapshot

You can restore a snapshot in two situations: when your system
is working and when you can't boot into your system.

https://static1.makeuseofimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/restoring-snapshot-in-timeshift-1.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=1500&dpr=1.5

In case you aren't able to boot into your system, you can try
booting into it using a live USB stick and then use Timeshift
to restore it to its previous working state and fix any broken
or misconfigured system component, setting, or file.
"

See, that's not a recipe. You still have to know to do:

sudo apt install timeshift

when instructed to on the Live USB.

Paul

On 9/17/22 01:34, Nic wrote:

>
> If you planning on using usb to copy your home folder to an external
> drive be prepared that something is broken, if it is a software
> solution , not the answer, it appears that the coders have lost contact
> with the beast they thought they have tamed.

Using Clonezilla to image the drive to an external drive has never
failed me ... Linux or Windows. Been doing it this way for well over 8+
years.

--
Mike

On 17-09-2022 09:02, Mike Bott wrote:
> On 9/17/22 01:34, Nic wrote:
>
>>
>> If  you planning on using usb to copy your home folder to an external
>> drive be prepared that something is broken, if  it is a software
>> solution , not the answer, it appears that the coders have lost contact
>> with the beast they thought they have tamed.
>
> Using Clonezilla to image the drive to an external drive has never
> failed me ... Linux or Windows.  Been doing it this way for well over 8+
> years.
>

Perfect "bare metal" solution. Otherwise, use rsync or suchlike.

On 9/17/2022 3:02 AM, Mike Bott wrote:
> On 9/17/22 01:34, Nic wrote:
>
>>
>> If  you planning on using usb to copy your home folder to an external
>> drive be prepared that something is broken, if  it is a software
>> solution , not the answer, it appears that the coders have lost contact
>> with the beast they thought they have tamed.
>
> Using Clonezilla to image the drive to an external drive has never failed me ... Linux or Windows.  Been doing it this way for well over 8+ years.
>

There's even a GUI package for it.

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/rescuezilla/rescuezilla.github.io/master/media/screenshots/3.png

Paul

On 9/17/22 03:02, this is what Mike Bott wrote:
> On 9/17/22 01:34, Nic wrote:
>
>>
>> If  you planning on using usb to copy your home folder to an external
>> drive be prepared that something is broken, if  it is a software
>> solution , not the answer, it appears that the coders have lost contact
>> with the beast they thought they have tamed.
>
> Using Clonezilla to image the drive to an external drive has never failed me ... Linux or Windows.  Been doing it this
> way for well over 8+ years.
>
I've got Acronis v20 loaded in Windows and I use that. I can read the files, extract a few or a folder. It doesn't
like linked files though. I will do a whole partition.

Al

On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 17:27:44 -0400, Nic wrote:

> On 9/16/22 5:12 PM, Paul wrote:
>> On 9/16/2022 3:17 PM, Nic wrote:
>>> On 9/16/22 12:16 PM, Paul wrote:
>>>> On 9/16/2022 10:16 AM, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
>>>>> I tried using Time Shift but it didn't restore the older version of
>>>>> the system files that I selected. Are there any apps that work
>>>>> better for restoring?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.makeuseof.com/use-timeshift-backup-and-restore-linux-
snapshots/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    "In case you aren't able to boot into your system, you can try
>>>> booting
>>>>     into it using a live USB stick and then use Timeshift to
>>>>     restore
>>>> it to
>>>>     its previous working state and fix any broken or misconfigured
>>>>     system component, setting, or file."
>>>>
>>>> Maybe that would work as an approach ?
>>>>
>>>>    Paul
>>>
>>> Paul you sound uncertain, 'you can try' or 'maybe that would
>>> work"???????
>>>
>>> The op was looking for an alternative to Time Shift. I gave up on Time
>>> Shift a long time ago, currently I use an external cloning docking
>>> device, where I place my primary (working drive) and copy/clone to a
>>> target (second drive). Has not failed me yet.
>>>
>>>
>> Backup and restore, generally works best when the target partition is
>> not being used. And that's for a partition where files are busy and
>> will not release.
>>
>> Any time a tool gives you a problem, think back to the general
>> principles that apply. If a tool is "refusing", then look at an
>> alternate way to run it where it won't refuse.
>>
>>    Paul
>>
> Paul you exasperate me, on the one hand you are very knowledgeable about
> the coding and purpose of said hard ware and software issues, but rarely
> delve into the core issues of purpose of life's gratitude's. PS: I think
> you are wonderful.

I'm using btrfs and timeshift. Btrfs snapshots are created in an instant
and using time shift to restore a previous snapshot takes all of 2
seconds. Reboot and your system is restored to it's previous state. I use
time shift for both @ and @home, and maintain 3 hourly snapshots. I
recently locked the root accounbt on my mechine, thru stupidity on my
part. much to my surprise, not only was the root account disable, but suso
no longer worked, so I could not fixed my error. I open Timeshift,
clicked on the previous hourly snapshot, clicked on restore @ only not
@home. Reboot and my system was back with root account enabled. Took all
of 20 seconds to reboot. After that I disabled the root password but not
the root account. Sudo works just fine.

That is the whole reason for Timeshift, it is not a backup system. If
your drive goes south, the snapshots go with it. Timeshift was created
for just the purpose of rectifying my STUPID mistake.

I make weekly backups using Clonzilla, have been for over 10 yrs.
Clonezilla has never failed doing a restore in that time. I backup my
system once a week, like clockwork. Keep a clonezilla image on a external
usb sata ssd and a copy on my Mega account, in case my house burns down
or computer gets stolen.

--
Pull my finger

On 09/17/2022 09:30 PM, Killadebug wrote:
> I'm using btrfs and timeshift.

what is the benefit of btrfs over rsync? i only want a backup of the
/root folder so that i can restore a working system if i ever need to.

i backup all of the /home folders to an external drive.

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 07:29:17 -0300, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:

> On 09/17/2022 09:30 PM, Killadebug wrote:
>> I'm using btrfs and timeshift.
>
> what is the benefit of btrfs over rsync? i only want a backup of the
> /root folder so that i can restore a working system if i ever need to.
>
> i backup all of the /home folders to an external drive.

btrfs snapshot takes all of 1 sec to create, same time to restore 1 sec.
This possible because btrfs is a COW system. You reboot and your system
is restored. I create a hourly snapshot of both my root @ and home @home.
Time shift allows to to restore both @ and @home or just @. Again btrfs
snapshots do not replace a good backup system. The snapshots are stored
on the drive they are created on. If the drive dies so do the snapshots.

It is a great and safe way to restore your system if you do something
STUPID like I did.

--
Pull my finger

On 09/18/2022 03:31 PM, Killadebug wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 07:29:17 -0300, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
>
>> On 09/17/2022 09:30 PM, Killadebug wrote:
>>> I'm using btrfs and timeshift.

>> what is the benefit of btrfs over rsync? i only want a backup of the
>> /root folder so that i can restore a working system if i ever need to.
>>
>> i backup all of the /home folders to an external drive.

> btrfs snapshot takes all of 1 sec to create, same time to restore 1 sec.
> This possible because btrfs is a COW system. You reboot and your system
> is restored. I create a hourly snapshot of both my root @ and home @home.
> Time shift allows to to restore both @ and @home or just @.

i looked at the 'btrfs' setting and the option to ignore or include
specific folders isn't available. does that mean the /home folders (i
have 3) will be included in the backup?

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 17:13:55 -0300, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:

> On 09/18/2022 03:31 PM, Killadebug wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 07:29:17 -0300, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
>>
>>> On 09/17/2022 09:30 PM, Killadebug wrote:
>>>> I'm using btrfs and timeshift.
>
>>> what is the benefit of btrfs over rsync? i only want a backup of the
>>> /root folder so that i can restore a working system if i ever need to.
>>>
>>> i backup all of the /home folders to an external drive.
>
>> btrfs snapshot takes all of 1 sec to create, same time to restore 1
>> sec. This possible because btrfs is a COW system. You reboot and your
>> system is restored. I create a hourly snapshot of both my root @ and
>> home @home.
>> Time shift allows to to restore both @ and @home or just @.
>
> i looked at the 'btrfs' setting and the option to ignore or include
> specific folders isn't available. does that mean the /home folders (i
> have 3) will be included in the backup?

In Timeshift if you do not want your @home subvolume to be included in
your snapshot, simple uncheck the box. Then only your @ root subvolume
will be included in the snapshot. I only keep three hourly snapshots on
my system.

--
Pull my finger

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 21:44:02 +0000, Killadebug wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 17:13:55 -0300, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
>
>> On 09/18/2022 03:31 PM, Killadebug wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 07:29:17 -0300, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 09/17/2022 09:30 PM, Killadebug wrote:
>>>>> I'm using btrfs and timeshift.
>>
>>>> what is the benefit of btrfs over rsync? i only want a backup of the
>>>> /root folder so that i can restore a working system if i ever need
>>>> to.
>>>>
>>>> i backup all of the /home folders to an external drive.
>>
>>> btrfs snapshot takes all of 1 sec to create, same time to restore 1
>>> sec. This possible because btrfs is a COW system. You reboot and your
>>> system is restored. I create a hourly snapshot of both my root @ and
>>> home @home.
>>> Time shift allows to to restore both @ and @home or just @.
>>
>> i looked at the 'btrfs' setting and the option to ignore or include
>> specific folders isn't available. does that mean the /home folders (i
>> have 3) will be included in the backup?
>
> In Timeshift if you do not want your @home subvolume to be included in
> your snapshot, simple uncheck the box. Then only your @ root subvolume
> will be included in the snapshot. I only keep three hourly snapshots on
> my system.

As a followup...since Im using btrfs and it is being actively developed
still, I always run the latest Linux Kernel to make sure I have the
latest btrfs improvements. I've been using the Xanmod Kernel for over 5
years and I'm quite happy with both the performance and stability of the
kernel. I'm currently running Xanmod Linux Kernel 5.19.9 and I have no
issues. Btrfs seems very solid now,

--
Pull my finger

On 09/19/2022 08:49 PM, Killadebug wrote:
> As a followup...since Im using btrfs and it is being actively developed
> still, I always run the latest Linux Kernel to make sure I have the
> latest btrfs improvements. I've been using the Xanmod Kernel for over 5
> years and I'm quite happy with both the performance and stability of the
> kernel. I'm currently running Xanmod Linux Kernel 5.19.9 and I have no
> issues. Btrfs seems very solid now,

Is the patch for Xanmod for comparing differences between versions?
Or do you install it to make Xanmod run better?

On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 02:15:19 -0300, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:

> On 09/19/2022 08:49 PM, Killadebug wrote:
>> As a followup...since Im using btrfs and it is being actively developed
>> still, I always run the latest Linux Kernel to make sure I have the
>> latest btrfs improvements. I've been using the Xanmod Kernel for over 5
>> years and I'm quite happy with both the performance and stability of
>> the kernel. I'm currently running Xanmod Linux Kernel 5.19.9 and I have
>> no issues. Btrfs seems very solid now,
>
>
> Is the patch for Xanmod for comparing differences between versions?
> Or do you install it to make Xanmod run better?

I'm not sure what you mean by "patch". I'm notified by LMDE update
manager when a new version of the Xanmod Kernel is available. I let it do
the update and reboot into the newest Xanmod Kernel.

The Xanmod website has instructions on adding the Xanmod repo, and then
installing the Keren. I personnaly stay with the Stable one. Your mileage
ma vary.

--
Pull my finger

On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 02:15:19 -0300, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
> Is the patch for Xanmod for comparing differences between versions?
> Or do you install it to make Xanmod run better?

On 09/23/2022 08:00 PM, Killadebug wrote:
> I'm not sure what you mean by "patch".

https://github.com/xanmod/linux/releases/download/5.19.11-xanmod1/patch-5.19.11-xanmod1.xz

On Sat, 24 Sep 2022 19:41:52 -0300, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 02:15:19 -0300, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
>> Is the patch for Xanmod for comparing differences between versions?
>> Or do you install it to make Xanmod run better?
>
>
> On 09/23/2022 08:00 PM, Killadebug wrote:
>> I'm not sure what you mean by "patch".
>
> https://github.com/xanmod/linux/releases/download/5.19.11-xanmod1/
patch-5.19.11-xanmod1.xz

Ah I see. No I do not use the patch method. I have the repo enabled and
just download and install the new patched kernel when it is available.

--
Pull my finger

On 09/24/2022 09:27 PM, Killadebug wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Sep 2022 19:41:52 -0300, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 02:15:19 -0300, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
>>> Is the patch for Xanmod for comparing differences between versions?
>>> Or do you install it to make Xanmod run better?
>>
>>
>> On 09/23/2022 08:00 PM, Killadebug wrote:
>>> I'm not sure what you mean by "patch".

>> https://github.com/xanmod/linux/releases/download/5.19.11-xanmod1/patch-5.19.11-xanmod1.xz

> Ah I see. No I do not use the patch method. I have the repo enabled and
> just download and install the new patched kernel when it is available.

i just installed xanmod and it does seem to be a *bit* faster sometimes,
but i could be imagining it. i haven't used it long enough to make a
real comparison.

the repo indicates there's a newer version available.