An interesting Kiwiblog post from DPF:

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/04/revealed_who_funds_the_taxpayers_union.html

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On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 07:59:15 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
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>An interesting Kiwiblog post from DPF:
>
>https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/04/revealed_who_funds_the_taxpayers_union.html

Sorry - wrong ng.

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Crash McBash

On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 07:59:15 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:

>An interesting Kiwiblog post from DPF:
>
>https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/04/revealed_who_funds_the_taxpayers_union.html

Sorry - wrong ng.

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Einar Flaathe <einar.a.flaathe@gmail.com> writes:
>On Monday, 8 May 2023 at 22:56:47 UTC+2, Einar Flaathe wrote:

>How do I add attachments to my post???

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

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Are there any big users of RDB out there? Any idea what is the licensing cost for RDB? I am looking for a ballpark figure. Is it in the $10K+ per year range ?

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On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 6:29:18=E2=80=AFPM UTC-7, Kurt Duncan wrote:
> On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 10:18:47=E2=80=AFPM UTC-6, Lewis Cole wrote=
:=20
> > On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:54:12=E2=80=AFPM UTC-7, Kurt Duncan wro=
te:=20
> > > On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 8:12:04=E2=80=AFPM UTC-7, Lewis Col=
e wrote:=20
> > >> Every so often, someone will ask about whether or=20
> > >> not they can get a copy of an old=20
> > >> Univac/Sperry Univac/Sperry/Unisys OS=20
> > >> for an 1100 or 2200 system, usually because=20
> > >> they are thinking about/attempting to write an=20
> > >> 1100 or 2200 system simulator/emulator.=20
> > < snip >=20
> > > Well, it does sort of depend on your definition of old, and=20
> > > whether a boot tape image is sufficient. Of OS2200, I mean,=20
> > > not that french stuff. :-D=20
> > If you're suggesting that you have access to a boot tape image of just =
about any version of OS1100/2200 that you can pass along to others, I'm all=
ears.
> The problem is that a boot tape, all by itself, is=20
> useful in some respects but not all respects.

Ummm, okay.

But with all due respect, that really doesn't answer the question that I as=
ked now does it?
Do you have access to a boot tape image of just about any version of OS1100=
/2200 that you can pass along to others?

> One could spend hours upon hours *after* developing=20
> a dis-assembler, just making sense out of the=20
> initial boot code.
>

Maybe even longer.
But I think I have an advantage that many others might not have in that I u=
sed to take care of the care and feeding of the ICLP and Bootstrap code bef=
ore Mercury (AKA the 2200/900) and I (re-)wrote the ICLP and Bootstrap code=
originally used for the Mercury.
Although I'm sure that things have changed since then, from my previous exp=
erience, I suspect one can probably make reasonably good guesses as to what=
the code is supposed to do ... but I might be able to make such guesses a =
bit quicker.

> So much is now handed off to the SVC instruction, [...]

SVC? I think you're thinking of an IBM machine.

> [...] which is only partially documented (for the=20
> public), [...]

Other than their existence, ELF messages aren't well document outside of HS=
I-002, which various Unisys documents mention only in passing.
The IMI messages for the 1100/60 aren't documented anywhere that I am aware=
of except for in the code.
The Good News is that many of the 2200/900 ELF messages aren't/weren't real=
ly *REQUIRED* to boot with the main exception that I recall being the conso=
le ELFs.
Evidence to support this comes in the form of the fact that FLIT use to hav=
e no problem booting simulated 2200/900 and 2200/600 systems.

All of this is stuff that I think *I* may have mentioned many moons ago whe=
n the subject of simulating a 2200 system came up so you needn't try to enl=
ighten me about these road blocks.

> [...] and so much more relies on the partition=20
> data bank, which is not at all documented (for=20
> the public)...

Well, I don't know how well the PDB is documented these days, but for some =
reason, I have a general idea of how it used to be structure, which I suspe=
ct isn't all that difficult to figure out, even although that wasn't intend=
ed.

But let's get back to the question I posed before, shall we?
Do you have access to a boot tape image of just about any version of OS1100=
/2200 that you can pass along to others?

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