Does anyone here have experience with the CTC Bridge? I have a client that has some features configured that we need to modify, and they have very little expertise. And neither do I. Thanks in advance.
ler

On 4/26/2023 8:05 AM, ramseyhere wrote:
> Does anyone here have experience with the CTC Bridge? I have a client that has some features configured that we need to modify, and they have very little expertise. And neither do I. Thanks in advance.
> ler

I have a little bit of quite old experience with it, and I have a copy
of the Java-based version, but am happy to try and assist.

I assume they are using one of the network versions rather than
poll-select -- I only raise this because you never know what kind of old
stuff is still out there.

Is their issue communications-based or presentation-based (forms mode,
control character options, that sort of thing)?

Paul

On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 3:08:15 PM UTC-4, Paul Kimpel wrote:
> On 4/26/2023 8:05 AM, ramseyhere wrote:
> > Does anyone here have experience with the CTC Bridge? I have a client that has some features configured that we need to modify, and they have very little expertise. And neither do I. Thanks in advance.
> > ler
> I have a little bit of quite old experience with it, and I have a copy
> of the Java-based version, but am happy to try and assist.
>
> I assume they are using one of the network versions rather than
> poll-select -- I only raise this because you never know what kind of old
> stuff is still out there.
>
> Is their issue communications-based or presentation-based (forms mode,
> control character options, that sort of thing)?
>
> Paul
Yes Paul. Network version. They are utilizing a feature in the tool that does screen scraping on a group of stations. They moved some new stations onto the system that should be doing the screen scraping, and they aren't working. I'm just looking for some direction.

On 4/27/2023 7:19 PM, ramseyhere wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 3:08:15 PM UTC-4, Paul Kimpel wrote:
>> On 4/26/2023 8:05 AM, ramseyhere wrote:
>>> Does anyone here have experience with the CTC Bridge? I have a client that has some features configured that we need to modify, and they have very little expertise. And neither do I. Thanks in advance.
>>> ler
>> I have a little bit of quite old experience with it, and I have a copy
>> of the Java-based version, but am happy to try and assist.
>>
>> I assume they are using one of the network versions rather than
>> poll-select -- I only raise this because you never know what kind of old
>> stuff is still out there.
>>
>> Is their issue communications-based or presentation-based (forms mode,
>> control character options, that sort of thing)?
>>
>> Paul
> Yes Paul. Network version. They are utilizing a feature in the tool that does screen scraping on a group of stations. They moved some new stations onto the system that should be doing the screen scraping, and they aren't working. I'm just looking for some direction.

This sounds like some sort of add-on to the standard terminal emulator
product, or perhaps some feature in Core's MultiBridge server product.
I'm not familiar with it. The first step probably is to figure out
exactly what they have. It might be best to move this conversation to
email -- paul dot kimpel atsign digm dot com.

Paul

On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 3:08:15 PM UTC-4, Paul Kimpel wrote:
> On 4/26/2023 8:05 AM, ramseyhere wrote:
> > Does anyone here have experience with the CTC Bridge? I have a client that has some features configured that we need to modify, and they have very little expertise. And neither do I. Thanks in advance.
> > ler
> I have a little bit of quite old experience with it, and I have a copy
> of the Java-based version, but am happy to try and assist.
>
> I assume they are using one of the network versions rather than
> poll-select -- I only raise this because you never know what kind of old
> stuff is still out there.
>
> Is their issue communications-based or presentation-based (forms mode,
> control character options, that sort of thing)?
>
> Paul
Yes Paul. Network version. They are utilizing a feature in the tool that does screen scraping on a group of stations. They moved some new stations onto the system that should be doing the screen scraping, and they aren't working. I'm just looking for some direction.
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On Wednesday, 10 May 2023 at 22:46:05 UTC+2, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Einar Flaathe <einar.a...@gmail.com> writes:
> >On Monday, 8 May 2023 at 22:56:47 UTC+2, Einar Flaathe wrote:
>
> >How do I add attachments to my post???
> You generally cannot. Note that google groups is acting
> as a Usenet client in this case.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
>
> If you were using a real Usenet client (e.g. pan or thunderbird),
> you'd have the ability to post attachments, but many Usenet servers
> won't accept attachments outside of the alt. hierarchy.

Thank you Scott for your reply!

I thought it was possible to submit attachments because:
"Search conversations within comp.sys.unisys..."
has tick box: "Has an attachment".

Einar
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On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 12:04:33 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Paul Kimpel <paul....@digm.com> writes:
> >-------- Original Message --------
> >Subject: Burroughs Mini-D
> >From: Al Kossow <a...@bitsavers.org>
> >To:
> >Date: Wed May 10 2023 09:03:05 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
> >
> >> Yesterday was researching the origins of the processor architecture
> >> of the 1970s small systems. Three-chip Fairchild PMOS CPUs show up a
> >> lot, documentation is confusing. The parts are collectable now
> >> because they look 'cool'. So far, I haven't found anyone who will
> >> answer my questions on the subject. They were known as the Mini-D or
> >> Burroughs Basic Data System (BDS) micro-processor Most of what I know
> >> so far has been pushed to bitsavers. The chip stuff is somewhat
> >> confusingly under
> >> http://bitsavers.org/pdf/burroughs/military/D-machine to keep all the
> >> information in one place.
> >
> >There's a capitalization problem in the link above. The correct link is:
> >
> >http://bitsavers.org/pdf/burroughs/Military/D_Machine/
> >
> >I worked for Burroughs in the Paoli (Philadelphia) area during the early
> >'70s, and certainly heard about the D and Mini-D machines, but never
> >knew much about them. I believe the full D machine was used in the
> >B700/800/900, and knew that it was a very soft architecture, but that's
> >about it. I have reached out to some colleagues from that time and we'll
> >see what they have to say.
> In Pasadena we had the B774/B874 which were used as data communications
> processor (DCP) front-ends for the medium systems mainframes. Aside
> from once using MSNDL to compile a network definition, I don't know
> much about the underlying architecture.

I knew somebody who helped design the D-machine, unfortunately he died about 20 years ago.
(nice guy, it was a loss).

I believe it was originally built for a defense contract (or two) and was later adopted
by the B800/B900 (aka. Small System) group. I think some/all of the Small System
development was located in Boca Raton, FL at one time (at least, some other co-workers
came from there when they closed down SS development).

- Tim
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On 6/29/2023 6:33 PM, Kurt Duncan wrote:
> So, just spit-balling ideas here.
> Suppose one could break out the OS into modules, then set up multiple instances of the various modules a la micro-services.

I am not sure exactly what you are proposing here, nor what the
advantages of it are. See below for specifics.

> One could re-imagine the idea of shared directories... each major MFD instance is a separately managed directory, as a service.

On 4/27/2023 7:19 PM, ramseyhere wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 3:08:15 PM UTC-4, Paul Kimpel wrote:
>> On 4/26/2023 8:05 AM, ramseyhere wrote:
>>> Does anyone here have experience with the CTC Bridge? I have a client that has some features configured that we need to modify, and they have very little expertise. And neither do I. Thanks in advance.
>>> ler
>> I have a little bit of quite old experience with it, and I have a copy
>> of the Java-based version, but am happy to try and assist.
>>
>> I assume they are using one of the network versions rather than
>> poll-select -- I only raise this because you never know what kind of old
>> stuff is still out there.
>>
>> Is their issue communications-based or presentation-based (forms mode,
>> control character options, that sort of thing)?
>>
>> Paul
> Yes Paul. Network version. They are utilizing a feature in the tool that does screen scraping on a group of stations. They moved some new stations onto the system that should be doing the screen scraping, and they aren't working. I'm just looking for some direction.

This sounds like some sort of add-on to the standard terminal emulator
product, or perhaps some feature in Core's MultiBridge server product.
I'm not familiar with it. The first step probably is to figure out
exactly what they have. It might be best to move this conversation to
email -- paul dot kimpel atsign digm dot com.

Paul

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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Burroughs Mini-D
From: Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org>
To:
Date: Wed May 10 2023 09:03:05 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)

> Yesterday was researching the origins of the processor architecture
> of the 1970s small systems. Three-chip Fairchild PMOS CPUs show up a
> lot, documentation is confusing. The parts are collectable now
> because they look 'cool'. So far, I haven't found anyone who will
> answer my questions on the subject. They were known as the Mini-D or
> Burroughs Basic Data System (BDS) micro-processor Most of what I know
> so far has been pushed to bitsavers. The chip stuff is somewhat
> confusingly under
> http://bitsavers.org/pdf/burroughs/military/D-machine to keep all the
> information in one place.

There's a capitalization problem in the link above. The correct link is:

http://bitsavers.org/pdf/burroughs/Military/D_Machine/

I worked for Burroughs in the Paoli (Philadelphia) area during the early
'70s, and certainly heard about the D and Mini-D machines, but never
knew much about them. I believe the full D machine was used in the
B700/800/900, and knew that it was a very soft architecture, but that's
about it. I have reached out to some colleagues from that time and we'll
see what they have to say.

Paul

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- Tim
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On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 23:24:08 +0100, Andrew <Doug@hyperspace.vogon.gov>
wrote:

>Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Danny Doyle <db.doyle@gmail.com> writes:
>>> I only came across this site a few minutes ago, so doubt that anyone is sti=
>>> ll posting messages on or accessing the site. Still, hope springs eternal i=
>>> n the human breast, so perhaps there may still be someone who can help me f=
>>> ind a copy of the ASET user manual/PRM/guide.=20
>>>
>>> Although I've found quite a few references to the ASET application through =
>>> Google searches, I've had no luck in locating any real documentation, so wo=
>>> uld love to hear from anyone who might me able to offer advise or help me i=
>>> n my search.
>>>
>>> Many thanks in advance for any replies.
>>
>> The IPF 2200 manual seems to indicate that the ASET documentation
>> is in SYS$LIB*UA$TUTORIAL$file.
>>
>
>That filename is longer than 12 characters, I suspect you mean
>SYS$LIB*UA$TUTORIAL$.
>Is that part of standard IPF? I no longer have access to a 2200 and I
>can't remember if IPF has additional sub-components or just the one base
>product. Years ago there were products such as IPFCONT, IPFCMDL,
>IPFPROC, IPFUA and probably IPFTUT. I seem to remember most of these
>were later folded into one product - and IPFSQL was dropped - but can't
>remember if there were any left over.

Well, inspection of SYS$*DATA$ on the Operating System Development
home system shows, for IPF, the file SYS$LIB$*UA$TUTORIAL$.

I have no idea how IPF was/is structured, either then or now.