I have 2000 emails not yet downloaded to Thunderbird, and I only want to
dl the last 30 or so. Is there a way to do that?

I don't wish to offend people here, but I am a loyal user of Eudora,
which as you may know has not been updated since 2006.

So I've already read the prvious 1970 emails. I only use Thunderbird
when I can't read the email in Eudora, which is usually the case if the
alphabet is not the Latin one, or if it is from Walgreens.

Emails from a gmail sender print strange things in place of double
blanks or curly quotes, but I can transpose that in my head, usually.

And nextdoor sends some of its emails so they appear blank in Eudora,
but Eudora has the option to send the email to the webbrowser, which
displays them fine. EXCEPT for emails from Walgreens, which look just
as bad in the webbrowswer as they do in Eudora! (But Walgreens has a
very good webpage of its own, for those getting their prescriptions
there.)

On 1/28/2024 10:37 AM, micky wrote:
> I have 2000 emails not yet downloaded to Thunderbird, and I only want to
> dl the last 30 or so. Is there a way to do that?
>

Right click on the "Inbox" folder and left click on the "properties"
choice. Left click on the "retention policy" tab. Note that you can
select the radio button next to the option "delete all but the most
recent" number of messages and type "30" into the space. Left click the
"OK" button. Voila!

Op 28-01-2024 om 19:55 schreef Retirednoguilt:
> On 1/28/2024 10:37 AM, micky wrote:
>> I have 2000 emails not yet downloaded to Thunderbird, and I only want to
>> dl the last 30 or so. Is there a way to do that?
>>
>
> Right click on the "Inbox" folder and left click on the "properties"
> choice. Left click on the "retention policy" tab. Note that you can
> select the radio button next to the option "delete all but the most
> recent" number of messages and type "30" into the space. Left click the
> "OK" button. Voila!
That _deletes_ all older mails, from TB _and_ from the server, I'm
pretty sure that's not what Micky wants.

In account settings you can set TB to sync only the last x days.

On 2024-01-28 19:55, Retirednoguilt wrote:
> On 1/28/2024 10:37 AM, micky wrote:
>> I have 2000 emails not yet downloaded to Thunderbird, and I only want to
>> dl the last 30 or so. Is there a way to do that?
>>
>
> Right click on the "Inbox" folder and left click on the "properties"
> choice. Left click on the "retention policy" tab. Note that you can
> select the radio button next to the option "delete all but the most
> recent" number of messages and type "30" into the space. Left click the
> "OK" button. Voila!

Not downloading is not the same as deleting, which will happen both
locally and on server.

I suggest having a look at the account settings, synchronization and
storage.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 1/28/24 02:27 PM, dillinger wrote:
> Op 28-01-2024 om 19:55 schreef Retirednoguilt:
>> On 1/28/2024 10:37 AM, micky wrote:
>>> I have 2000 emails not yet downloaded to Thunderbird, and I only want to
>>> dl the last 30 or so.  Is there a way to do that?
>>>
>>
>> Right click on the "Inbox" folder and left click on the "properties"
>> choice.  Left click on the "retention policy" tab.  Note that you can
>> select the radio button next to the option "delete all but the most
>> recent" number of messages and type "30" into the space.  Left click the
>> "OK" button.  Voila!
> That _deletes_ all older mails, from TB _and_ from the server, I'm
> pretty sure that's not what Micky wants.
>
> In account settings you can set TB to sync only the last x days.
Why not just download everything, sure it's a bit longer, but then sort
by date unthreaded, and the top 30 are there. You could even click #31
then page down to the last and Shift-click and then delete those 1970
older ones.

POP you might want to set 'leave email on server' so Eudora can still
see them if that's a need.
--
Linux Mint 21.2 Cinnamon
Al

On 28/01/2024 15:37, micky wrote:
>
> So I've already read the prvious 1970 emails.

Move them to another folder using a web browser and then in TB use
Synchronisation & Storage feature to ignore that folder for offline
reading. You need to use the Advanced button for this to work.

Am 28.01.24 um 19:55 schrieb Retirednoguilt:
> On 1/28/2024 10:37 AM, micky wrote:
>> I have 2000 emails not yet downloaded to Thunderbird, and I only want to
>> dl the last 30 or so. Is there a way to do that?
>>
>
> Right click on the "Inbox" folder and left click on the "properties"
> choice. Left click on the "retention policy" tab. Note that you can
> select the radio button next to the option "delete all but the most
> recent" number of messages and type "30" into the space. Left click the
> "OK" button. Voila!

This will delete the 1970 mails irretrievably.
And it does not matter whether the account is POP or IMAP.

--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

On 01/28/2024 2:26 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-01-28 19:55, Retirednoguilt wrote:
>> On 1/28/2024 10:37 AM, micky wrote:
>>> I have 2000 emails not yet downloaded to Thunderbird, and I only want to
>>> dl the last 30 or so.  Is there a way to do that?
>>>
>>
>> Right click on the "Inbox" folder and left click on the "properties"
>> choice.  Left click on the "retention policy" tab.  Note that you can
>> select the radio button next to the option "delete all but the most
>> recent" number of messages and type "30" into the space.  Left click the
>> "OK" button.  Voila!
>
>
> Not downloading is not the same as deleting, which will happen both
> locally and on server.
>
>
> I suggest having a look at the account settings, synchronization and
> storage.
>
I don't know how it is with other news services, but with those that are
based on Yahoo, ATT version, etc. All messages remain on the server
until you go on to the server and delete them from the server. This
includes all of the message you have sent; they are on the server until
you delete them from the server.
When you download email, the email copies on the server are moved to a
trash folder on the server.
This is true even if you delete them from the email program ie
Thunderbird on you computer.

On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 10:37:27 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:

>I have 2000 emails not yet downloaded to Thunderbird, and I only want to
>dl the last 30 or so. Is there a way to do that?
>
>
>I don't wish to offend people here, but I am a loyal user of Eudora,
>which as you may know has not been updated since 2006.

Yet you're dangling an esoteric question about your use of Eudora...
on a Thunderbird user group... and also concurrently wondering about a
feature of Forte Agent for mail.

Gud grief.

On 1/28/2024 10:37 AM, micky wrote:
> I have 2000 emails not yet downloaded to Thunderbird, and I only want to
> dl the last 30 or so. Is there a way to do that?
>
>
> I don't wish to offend people here, but I am a loyal user of Eudora,
> which as you may know has not been updated since 2006.
>
> So I've already read the prvious 1970 emails. I only use Thunderbird
> when I can't read the email in Eudora, which is usually the case if the
> alphabet is not the Latin one, or if it is from Walgreens.
>
> Emails from a gmail sender print strange things in place of double
> blanks or curly quotes, but I can transpose that in my head, usually.
>
> And nextdoor sends some of its emails so they appear blank in Eudora,
> but Eudora has the option to send the email to the webbrowser, which
> displays them fine. EXCEPT for emails from Walgreens, which look just
> as bad in the webbrowswer as they do in Eudora! (But Walgreens has a
> very good webpage of its own, for those getting their prescriptions
> there.)
>

https://ask.metafilter.com/331066/How-do-I-open-old-Eudora-mbx-files-in-Win10

[A classic Eudora box consists of name.mbx and name.toc and the two files work together as a box]

"Good news is that classic Eudora's MBX files are just all of your mail
in a flat text file, that you can open with just about any text editor.

Bad news is it's all just dumped together, with a separate proprietary index
(TOC file) that keeps track of what is where in the file.

Looking at a 15-year-old MBX in my backups, it also appears that most of the
headers have been stripped as well, although that might not matter to you.

What probably will matter is that Eudora did not retain attachments in the
mailbox files at all; it immediately dumped them out to the file system and
then just linked to the files. So if all you have is the MBX you won't get
anything but the message bodies."

That means working at the item level, the thing is a dumpster fire.

Some other email tools do a better job of preserving what is received.

Thunderbird uses two files as well, but one of the files really is an mbx
and the materials could actually be re-purposed in an emergency. Thunderbird
preserved the received content, and adds a couple "comment lines" which contain
flags it might need. The comment lines, when seen by yet another tool, would
just be ignored as comments.

It's not worth screwing around with this stuff unless an email client
makes a serious attempt at archival storage.

I was going to propose just moving the .mbx to Thunderbird, but
that's not going to work if the structure is ruined. And the "complex" documents
you can't view in Eudora, are precisely the ones damaged as in the description
above. An "uncomplicated" mail, you could be reading that in Eudora, and
then you would not need to mess around. The complex items will be damaged enough
to need "hand-reassembly" after a fashion.

And who knows what happens to a UTF-8 email that Eudora has munged.
What comes out the other side ? Froot loops ? Eudora is too old to know
what UTF-8 is.

Paul

On 28.01.24 22:15, knuttle wrote:
> On 01/28/2024 2:26 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> I suggest having a look at the account settings, synchronization and
>> storage.
>>
> I don't know how it is with other news services, but with those that are
> based on Yahoo, ATT version, etc. All messages remain on the server
> until you go on to the server and delete them from the server. This
> includes all of the message you have sent; they are on the server until
> you delete them from the server.
>
> When you download email, the email copies on the server are moved to a
> trash folder on the server.

You are seriously still using POP?

> This is true even if you delete them from the email program ie
> Thunderbird on you computer.

You are spreading very dangerous advice which in today's world has
disastrous effects.

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

On 2024-01-28 22:15, knuttle wrote:
> On 01/28/2024 2:26 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2024-01-28 19:55, Retirednoguilt wrote:
>>> On 1/28/2024 10:37 AM, micky wrote:
>>>> I have 2000 emails not yet downloaded to Thunderbird, and I only
>>>> want to
>>>> dl the last 30 or so.  Is there a way to do that?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Right click on the "Inbox" folder and left click on the "properties"
>>> choice.  Left click on the "retention policy" tab.  Note that you can
>>> select the radio button next to the option "delete all but the most
>>> recent" number of messages and type "30" into the space.  Left click the
>>> "OK" button.  Voila!
>>
>>
>> Not downloading is not the same as deleting, which will happen both
>> locally and on server.
>>
>>
>> I suggest having a look at the account settings, synchronization and
>> storage.
>>
> I don't know how it is with other news services,

The OP asked about email, not news.

> but with those that are
> based on Yahoo,  ATT version, etc.  All messages remain on the server
> until you go on to the server and delete them from the server.   This
> includes all of the message you have sent; they are on the server until
> you delete them from the server.

On a compliant IMAP mail server (notably gmail is not), deleting mail in
a synced folder, such as the Inbox, deletes them also at the server. It
is lost for ever.

>
> When you download email, the email copies on the server are moved to a
> trash folder on the server.

That's an option of the mail client, not really of the server.

It is the client, like Thunderbird, which is configured to move to trash
instead. There are clients that don't do this, for example Alpine.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2024-01-28 20:36, Big Al wrote:
> On 1/28/24 02:27 PM, dillinger wrote:
>> Op 28-01-2024 om 19:55 schreef Retirednoguilt:
>>> On 1/28/2024 10:37 AM, micky wrote:
>>>> I have 2000 emails not yet downloaded to Thunderbird, and I only
>>>> want to
>>>> dl the last 30 or so.  Is there a way to do that?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Right click on the "Inbox" folder and left click on the "properties"
>>> choice.  Left click on the "retention policy" tab.  Note that you can
>>> select the radio button next to the option "delete all but the most
>>> recent" number of messages and type "30" into the space.  Left click the
>>> "OK" button.  Voila!
>> That _deletes_ all older mails, from TB _and_ from the server, I'm
>> pretty sure that's not what Micky wants.
>>
>> In account settings you can set TB to sync only the last x days.
> Why not just download everything, sure it's a bit longer, but then sort
> by date unthreaded, and the top 30 are there.   You could even click #31
> then page down to the last and Shift-click and then delete those 1970
> older ones.

Yesterday I told TB to sync all email from a gmail account holding mail
lists. It still hasn't finished, so instead now I set it to sync 2 years
"only". There may be something like 80000 posts on the inbox.

>
> POP you might want to set 'leave email on server' so Eudora can still
> see them if that's a need.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 1/28/2024 2:27 PM, dillinger wrote:
> Op 28-01-2024 om 19:55 schreef Retirednoguilt:
>> On 1/28/2024 10:37 AM, micky wrote:
>>> I have 2000 emails not yet downloaded to Thunderbird, and I only want to
>>> dl the last 30 or so. Is there a way to do that?
>>>
>>
>> Right click on the "Inbox" folder and left click on the "properties"
>> choice. Left click on the "retention policy" tab. Note that you can
>> select the radio button next to the option "delete all but the most
>> recent" number of messages and type "30" into the space. Left click the
>> "OK" button. Voila!
> That _deletes_ all older mails, from TB _and_ from the server, I'm
> pretty sure that's not what Micky wants.
>
> In account settings you can set TB to sync only the last x days.

I suspect that we all have different perceptions of what happens to
Micky's messages on the server because we don't know if Micky is dealing
with a POP or SMTP account. He did say "emails" which to me implied
that he was talking about e-mail messages, not newsgroup postings. I'm
not familiar with which protocol is used by newsgroup servers and
honestly don't know what happens to the messages there when I delete a
newsgroup posting on the TB client.

Also, some here are speculating that Micky isn't interested in reading
or preserving the 2000 emails he doesn't desire to download to TB. If
that's the case, he probably doesn't care if they are concurrently
deleted from the server. Maybe he's happy to have that happen.

Micky, if you're reading this, help us help you. Are you referring to
e-mail messages? If so, did you configure your TB settings for that
account to communicate with the e-mail server via POP or SMTP? Do you
care if the messages you don't download to TB are permanently deleted
from the server? Answers from you will help those who are trying to
help you.

On 1/29/2024 8:46 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-01-28 20:36, Big Al wrote:
>> On 1/28/24 02:27 PM, dillinger wrote:
>>> Op 28-01-2024 om 19:55 schreef Retirednoguilt:
>>>> On 1/28/2024 10:37 AM, micky wrote:
>>>>> I have 2000 emails not yet downloaded to Thunderbird, and I only want to
>>>>> dl the last 30 or so.  Is there a way to do that?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Right click on the "Inbox" folder and left click on the "properties"
>>>> choice.  Left click on the "retention policy" tab.  Note that you can
>>>> select the radio button next to the option "delete all but the most
>>>> recent" number of messages and type "30" into the space.  Left click the
>>>> "OK" button.  Voila!
>>> That _deletes_ all older mails, from TB _and_ from the server, I'm pretty sure that's not what Micky wants.
>>>
>>> In account settings you can set TB to sync only the last x days.
>> Why not just download everything, sure it's a bit longer, but then sort by date unthreaded, and the top 30 are there.   You could even click #31 then page down to the last and Shift-click and then delete those 1970 older ones.
>
> Yesterday I told TB to sync all email from a gmail account holding mail lists. It still hasn't finished, so instead now I set it to sync 2 years "only". There may be something like 80000 posts on the inbox.
>
>>
>> POP you might want to set 'leave email on server' so Eudora can still see them if that's a need.
>

This doesn't say that the service is useful, but this is the fastest
way to get stuff off a Google server.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Takeout

Who knows how much work it is, to convert the Gmail representation,
into something actually useful to your email application. It could be
a snapshot of the All Box or something. There might be a web article
somewhere, giving details on the format.

Paul

On 2024-01-29 14:51, Retirednoguilt wrote:
> On 1/28/2024 2:27 PM, dillinger wrote:
>> Op 28-01-2024 om 19:55 schreef Retirednoguilt:
>>> On 1/28/2024 10:37 AM, micky wrote:
>>>> I have 2000 emails not yet downloaded to Thunderbird, and I only want to
>>>> dl the last 30 or so. Is there a way to do that?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Right click on the "Inbox" folder and left click on the "properties"
>>> choice. Left click on the "retention policy" tab. Note that you can
>>> select the radio button next to the option "delete all but the most
>>> recent" number of messages and type "30" into the space. Left click the
>>> "OK" button. Voila!
>> That _deletes_ all older mails, from TB _and_ from the server, I'm
>> pretty sure that's not what Micky wants.
>>
>> In account settings you can set TB to sync only the last x days.
>
> I suspect that we all have different perceptions of what happens to
> Micky's messages on the server because we don't know if Micky is dealing
> with a POP or SMTP account. He did say "emails" which to me implied
> that he was talking about e-mail messages, not newsgroup postings. I'm
> not familiar with which protocol is used by newsgroup servers and
> honestly don't know what happens to the messages there when I delete a
> newsgroup posting on the TB client.

On the (nntp) server? Nothing.

Delete on nntp is a local operation. There could be a menu click to undo
all deletes. On Thunderbird, I suspect unsubscribe from a group,
subscribing again, will do it.

Think of it as the nntp server having a single store of all posts which
is served to every client. It is the client which says which posts to
retrieve, and keeps knowledge of what was already "read".

The nntp server doesn't even keep information of what posts you retrieve
or which you read. Or which you answer.

....

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 1/29/2024 2:41 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-01-29 14:51, Retirednoguilt wrote:
>> On 1/28/2024 2:27 PM, dillinger wrote:
>>> Op 28-01-2024 om 19:55 schreef Retirednoguilt:
>>>> On 1/28/2024 10:37 AM, micky wrote:
>>>>> I have 2000 emails not yet downloaded to Thunderbird, and I only want to
>>>>> dl the last 30 or so.  Is there a way to do that?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Right click on the "Inbox" folder and left click on the "properties"
>>>> choice.  Left click on the "retention policy" tab.  Note that you can
>>>> select the radio button next to the option "delete all but the most
>>>> recent" number of messages and type "30" into the space.  Left click the
>>>> "OK" button.  Voila!
>>> That _deletes_ all older mails, from TB _and_ from the server, I'm
>>> pretty sure that's not what Micky wants.
>>>
>>> In account settings you can set TB to sync only the last x days.
>>
>> I suspect that we all have different perceptions of what happens to
>> Micky's messages on the server because we don't know if Micky is dealing
>> with a POP or SMTP account.  He did say "emails" which to me implied
>> that he was talking about e-mail messages, not newsgroup postings.  I'm
>> not familiar with which protocol  is used by newsgroup servers and
>> honestly don't  know what happens to the messages there when I delete a
>> newsgroup posting on the TB client.
>
> On the (nntp) server? Nothing.
>
> Delete on nntp is a local operation. There could be a menu click to undo all deletes. On Thunderbird, I suspect unsubscribe from a group, subscribing again, will do it.
>
> Think of it as the nntp server having a single store of all posts which is served to every client. It is the client which says which posts to retrieve, and keeps knowledge of what was already "read".
>
> The nntp server doesn't even keep information of what posts you retrieve or which you read. Or which you answer.
>
> ...
>

Using Offline Mode, you can keep a copy of a group on the local disk.

This may change the semantics a bit, compared to Online Mode.

The Mork file should have a flag for Delete. And during Compaction,
Deleted items are physically removed.

You will notice during Compaction, that some things are getting removed.
Header entries for which a Body is no longer available on the server,
there's no reason to keep the Header. I purposely do not allow Compaction
to occur, as the defunct Headers still have value, and the MID in the
header can be run through Howard to get at the Body.

Paul

Am 29.01.24 um 14:51 schrieb Retirednoguilt:
> I suspect that we all have different perceptions of what happens to
> Micky's messages on the server because we don't know if Micky is dealing
> with a POP or SMTP account. He did say "emails" which to me implied
> that he was talking about e-mail messages, not newsgroup postings. I'm
> not familiar with which protocol is used by newsgroup servers and
> honestly don't know what happens to the messages there when I delete a
> newsgroup posting on the TB client.

Absolutely nothing.

--
Sent with Bettterbird from an Intel-Mac running a Linux Mint (LMDE) with
Cinnamon Flavour. Simply better.
www.betterbird.eu

On 2024-01-30 05:28, Paul wrote:
> On 1/29/2024 2:41 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2024-01-29 14:51, Retirednoguilt wrote:
>>> On 1/28/2024 2:27 PM, dillinger wrote:
>>>> Op 28-01-2024 om 19:55 schreef Retirednoguilt:
>>>>> On 1/28/2024 10:37 AM, micky wrote:
>>>>>> I have 2000 emails not yet downloaded to Thunderbird, and I only want to
>>>>>> dl the last 30 or so.  Is there a way to do that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Right click on the "Inbox" folder and left click on the "properties"
>>>>> choice.  Left click on the "retention policy" tab.  Note that you can
>>>>> select the radio button next to the option "delete all but the most
>>>>> recent" number of messages and type "30" into the space.  Left click the
>>>>> "OK" button.  Voila!
>>>> That _deletes_ all older mails, from TB _and_ from the server, I'm
>>>> pretty sure that's not what Micky wants.
>>>>
>>>> In account settings you can set TB to sync only the last x days.
>>>
>>> I suspect that we all have different perceptions of what happens to
>>> Micky's messages on the server because we don't know if Micky is dealing
>>> with a POP or SMTP account.  He did say "emails" which to me implied
>>> that he was talking about e-mail messages, not newsgroup postings.  I'm
>>> not familiar with which protocol  is used by newsgroup servers and
>>> honestly don't  know what happens to the messages there when I delete a
>>> newsgroup posting on the TB client.
>>
>> On the (nntp) server? Nothing.
>>
>> Delete on nntp is a local operation. There could be a menu click to undo all deletes. On Thunderbird, I suspect unsubscribe from a group, subscribing again, will do it.
>>
>> Think of it as the nntp server having a single store of all posts which is served to every client. It is the client which says which posts to retrieve, and keeps knowledge of what was already "read".
>>
>> The nntp server doesn't even keep information of what posts you retrieve or which you read. Or which you answer.
>>
>> ...
>>
>
> Using Offline Mode, you can keep a copy of a group on the local disk.
>
> This may change the semantics a bit, compared to Online Mode.
>
> The Mork file should have a flag for Delete. And during Compaction,
> Deleted items are physically removed.

From the local cache, certainly.

>
> You will notice during Compaction, that some things are getting removed.
> Header entries for which a Body is no longer available on the server,
> there's no reason to keep the Header. I purposely do not allow Compaction
> to occur, as the defunct Headers still have value, and the MID in the
> header can be run through Howard to get at the Body.

On synchronization config, you can set "never delete".

In my case, I have "delete bodies older than 10 days" because I have a
proxy server that caches nntp posts for very long.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Thanks Paul, and thanks all. I'm still trying to follow all the various
advice I got here. I'm sure I can do it now.

In alt.comp.software.thunderbird, on Mon, 29 Jan 2024 00:16:25 -0500,
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>On 1/28/2024 10:37 AM, micky wrote:
>> I have 2000 emails not yet downloaded to Thunderbird, and I only want to
>> dl the last 30 or so. Is there a way to do that?
>>
>>
>> I don't wish to offend people here, but I am a loyal user of Eudora,
>> which as you may know has not been updated since 2006.
>>
>> So I've already read the prvious 1970 emails. I only use Thunderbird
>> when I can't read the email in Eudora, which is usually the case if the
>> alphabet is not the Latin one, or if it is from Walgreens.
>>
>> Emails from a gmail sender print strange things in place of double
>> blanks or curly quotes, but I can transpose that in my head, usually.
>>
>> And nextdoor sends some of its emails so they appear blank in Eudora,
>> but Eudora has the option to send the email to the webbrowser, which
>> displays them fine. EXCEPT for emails from Walgreens, which look just
>> as bad in the webbrowswer as they do in Eudora! (But Walgreens has a
>> very good webpage of its own, for those getting their prescriptions
>> there.)
>>
>
>https://ask.metafilter.com/331066/How-do-I-open-old-Eudora-mbx-files-in-Win10
>
> [A classic Eudora box consists of name.mbx and name.toc and the two files work together as a box]
>
> "Good news is that classic Eudora's MBX files are just all of your mail
> in a flat text file, that you can open with just about any text editor.
>
> Bad news is it's all just dumped together, with a separate proprietary index
> (TOC file) that keeps track of what is where in the file.
>
> Looking at a 15-year-old MBX in my backups, it also appears that most of the
> headers have been stripped as well, although that might not matter to you.
>
> What probably will matter is that Eudora did not retain attachments in the
> mailbox files at all; it immediately dumped them out to the file system and
> then just linked to the files. So if all you have is the MBX you won't get
> anything but the message bodies."
>
>That means working at the item level, the thing is a dumpster fire.
>
>Some other email tools do a better job of preserving what is received.
>
>Thunderbird uses two files as well, but one of the files really is an mbx
>and the materials could actually be re-purposed in an emergency. Thunderbird
>preserved the received content, and adds a couple "comment lines" which contain
>flags it might need. The comment lines, when seen by yet another tool, would
>just be ignored as comments.
>
>It's not worth screwing around with this stuff unless an email client
>makes a serious attempt at archival storage.
>
>I was going to propose just moving the .mbx to Thunderbird, but
>that's not going to work if the structure is ruined. And the "complex" documents
>you can't view in Eudora, are precisely the ones damaged as in the description
>above. An "uncomplicated" mail, you could be reading that in Eudora, and
>then you would not need to mess around. The complex items will be damaged enough
>to need "hand-reassembly" after a fashion.
>
>And who knows what happens to a UTF-8 email that Eudora has munged.
>What comes out the other side ? Froot loops ? Eudora is too old to know
>what UTF-8 is.
>
> Paul

In alt.comp.software.thunderbird, on Sun, 28 Jan 2024 17:43:29 -0800,
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 10:37:27 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I have 2000 emails not yet downloaded to Thunderbird, and I only want to
>>dl the last 30 or so. Is there a way to do that?
>>
>>
>>I don't wish to offend people here, but I am a loyal user of Eudora,
>>which as you may know has not been updated since 2006.
>
>Yet you're dangling an esoteric question about your use of Eudora...
>on a Thunderbird user group...

Please read the OP again. it's about TB, not Eudora.

>nd also concurrently wondering about a
>feature of Forte Agent for mail.

So? Apparently you read the Forte Agent group too. I send copies of
some of my usenet posts by email. When I was in Guatemala for 3 weeks,
for some reason the emails didn't work (even though I had no trouble
sending emails from Eudora). now that I'm back and I can send email
again, I want to find and send the ones that failed to go when I was
outside the US.
>
>Gud grief.

In alt.comp.software.thunderbird, on Mon, 29 Jan 2024 08:51:01 -0500,
Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:

>
>I suspect that we all have different perceptions of what happens to
>Micky's messages on the server because we don't know if Micky is dealing
>with a POP or SMTP account. He did say "emails" which to me implied
>that he was talking about e-mail messages, not newsgroup postings. I'm

Absolutely, emails implies e-mail messages, sent by others to me.

>not familiar with which protocol is used by newsgroup servers and
>honestly don't know what happens to the messages there when I delete a
>newsgroup posting on the TB client.
>
>Also, some here are speculating that Micky isn't interested in reading
>or preserving the 2000 emails he doesn't desire to download to TB. If
>that's the case, he probably doesn't care if they are concurrently
>deleted from the server. Maybe he's happy to have that happen.

I've already downloaded them to Eudora, but I'm keeping them on the
server for now (Until I move my mail reading back to the desktop
computer and stop reading my email on the laptop, except when I go out
of town, which will be increasingly rare.)

I've already read all of these emails but the limitations of Eudora,
last updated in 2006, made reading one of them impossible. (Even
sending the email to the webbrowser, which has always worked in the
past, did not.)
>
>Micky, if you're reading this, help us help you. Are you referring to
>e-mail messages? If so, did you configure your TB settings for that
>account to communicate with the e-mail server via POP or SMTP? Do you

Both, but not with IMAP. Both Eudora and TB are set up to use POP.

>care if the messages you don't download to TB are permanently deleted
>from the server?

Yes, but I've already set TB to not delete from the server. I did that
when I first got it, because I didn't want it fouling up what Eudora
retrieved, if on occasion TB went first.

The plan is to only retrieve the last, say, 7 days, not to purge
anything prior to that. I sure hope my setting it, years ago, to Leave
messages on the Server can't be defeated by any of the suggestions to
get only recent email, and I would evaluater that possibility when using
any of them.

> Answers from you will help those who are trying to
>help you.

I just want to dl the last 7 days of email. I'm already set up to dl
email but, of course, it wants to start where it left off years ago.

In alt.comp.software.thunderbird, on Sun, 28 Jan 2024 20:27:02 +0100,
dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> wrote:

>Op 28-01-2024 om 19:55 schreef Retirednoguilt:
>> On 1/28/2024 10:37 AM, micky wrote:
>>> I have 2000 emails not yet downloaded to Thunderbird, and I only want to
>>> dl the last 30 or so. Is there a way to do that?
>>>
>>
>> Right click on the "Inbox" folder and left click on the "properties"
>> choice. Left click on the "retention policy" tab. Note that you can
>> select the radio button next to the option "delete all but the most
>> recent" number of messages and type "30" into the space. Left click the
>> "OK" button. Voila!
>That _deletes_ all older mails, from TB _and_ from the server, I'm
>pretty sure that's not what Micky wants.
>
>In account settings you can set TB to sync only the last x days.

I thought this was the right answer, but when I looked for
Synchronization and Storage, it was only present for the Usenet server,
not for any of the email accounts.

Maybe there is no way to do what I want.

I don't know that Eudora could do it either (I always thought so but I
checked tonight and didn't figure it out.)

In alt.comp.software.thunderbird, on Sun, 28 Jan 2024 14:36:34 -0500,
Big Al <alan@invalid.com> wrote:

>On 1/28/24 02:27 PM, dillinger wrote:
>> Op 28-01-2024 om 19:55 schreef Retirednoguilt:
>>> On 1/28/2024 10:37 AM, micky wrote:
>>>> I have 2000 emails not yet downloaded to Thunderbird, and I only want to
>>>> dl the last 30 or so.  Is there a way to do that?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Right click on the "Inbox" folder and left click on the "properties"
>>> choice.  Left click on the "retention policy" tab.  Note that you can
>>> select the radio button next to the option "delete all but the most
>>> recent" number of messages and type "30" into the space.  Left click the
>>> "OK" button.  Voila!
>> That _deletes_ all older mails, from TB _and_ from the server, I'm
>> pretty sure that's not what Micky wants.
>>
>> In account settings you can set TB to sync only the last x days.
>Why not just download everything, sure it's a bit longer, but then sort

If there is a facility to do what I want, i want to learn how to do it,
as part of learning how to use TB. Frankly, I've always found TB hard
to understand and I've avoided it for that reason, even though I set it
up for emergencies and when I get an email in a non-Latin alphabet**.

Plus it bothers me to dl all that stuff an dthen have to delete it all.
Tonight I deleted 900 emails in TB and I think I had to do it three
times, twic in the inbox (the text got grey after the first time) and
once from the trash.

**(But then someone named Brana wrote an add-on for Eudora that handled
most of those, and I also stopped getting them) so I've used TB very
little and the way to learn how it works is to try to use all its
features.

>by date unthreaded, and the top 30 are there. You could even click #31
>then page down to the last and Shift-click and then delete those 1970
>older ones.
>
>POP you might want to set 'leave email on server' so Eudora can still
>see them if that's a need.

On 1/31/2024 12:13 AM, micky wrote:
> In alt.comp.software.thunderbird, on Sun, 28 Jan 2024 14:36:34 -0500,
> Big Al <alan@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/28/24 02:27 PM, dillinger wrote:
>>> Op 28-01-2024 om 19:55 schreef Retirednoguilt:
>>>> On 1/28/2024 10:37 AM, micky wrote:
>>>>> I have 2000 emails not yet downloaded to Thunderbird, and I only want to
>>>>> dl the last 30 or so.  Is there a way to do that?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Right click on the "Inbox" folder and left click on the "properties"
>>>> choice.  Left click on the "retention policy" tab.  Note that you can
>>>> select the radio button next to the option "delete all but the most
>>>> recent" number of messages and type "30" into the space.  Left click the
>>>> "OK" button.  Voila!
>>> That _deletes_ all older mails, from TB _and_ from the server, I'm
>>> pretty sure that's not what Micky wants.
>>>
>>> In account settings you can set TB to sync only the last x days.
>> Why not just download everything, sure it's a bit longer, but then sort
>
> If there is a facility to do what I want, i want to learn how to do it,
> as part of learning how to use TB. Frankly, I've always found TB hard
> to understand and I've avoided it for that reason, even though I set it
> up for emergencies and when I get an email in a non-Latin alphabet**.
>
> Plus it bothers me to dl all that stuff an dthen have to delete it all.
> Tonight I deleted 900 emails in TB and I think I had to do it three
> times, twic in the inbox (the text got grey after the first time) and
> once from the trash.
>
> **(But then someone named Brana wrote an add-on for Eudora that handled
> most of those, and I also stopped getting them) so I've used TB very
> little and the way to learn how it works is to try to use all its
> features.
>
>> by date unthreaded, and the top 30 are there. You could even click #31
>> then page down to the last and Shift-click and then delete those 1970
>> older ones.
>>
>> POP you might want to set 'leave email on server' so Eudora can still
>> see them if that's a need.

There's no question that Thunderbird has a learning curve.

But then, how many other tools have you picked up that did
not have a learning curve.

look at the Windows Mail.App metro app as an example. It has
controls all over the place, left/right/top/bottom, and I can
never remember where the control I'm looking for is located.

You have to learn a lot of terminology, just to get your email
set up the way you want it.

Every time you add choices, it adds to the "complexity" of the product.

You would be using webmail, if this was really a problem for you.
You like this stuff :-)

Paul