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* VAX 6000 on Young SheldonNeil Rieck
+* Re: VAX 6000 on Young SheldonArne Vajhøj
|`* Re: VAX 6000 on Young SheldonRoy Omond
| +- Re: VAX 6000 on Young SheldonDavid Jones
| `* Re: VAX 6000 on Young SheldonNeil Rieck
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|   +* Re: VAX 6000 on Young SheldonNeil Rieck
|   |+* Re: VAX 6000 on Young SheldonVolker Halle
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|   |||`* Re: VAX 6000 on Young SheldonNeil Rieck
|   ||| `- Re: VAX 6000 on Young SheldonDennis Boone
|   ||`- Re: VAX 6000 on Young SheldonNeil Rieck
|   |`* Re: VAX 6000 on Young SheldonArne Vajhøj
|   | `* Re: VAX 6000 on Young SheldonJohnny Billquist
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|      +- Re: VAX 6000 on Young SheldonSingle Stage to Orbit
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|       `* Re: VAX 6000 on Young SheldonArne Vajhøj
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|        `* Re: VAX 6000 on Young SheldonDave Froble
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||  `- Re: VAX 6000 on Young SheldonHenry Crun
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||    `* Re: VAX 6000 on Young SheldonRobert A. Brooks
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| |`* Re: VAX 6000 on Young SheldonScott Dorsey
| | `* Re: VAX 6000 on Young SheldonSlo
| |  `* Re: VAX 6000 on Young SheldonArne Vajhøj
| |   `- Re: VAX 6000 on Young SheldonSimon Clubley
| `* Re: VAX 6000 on Young SheldonAlan Frisbie
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`* Re: VAX 6000 on Young SheldonLakeGator
 `* Re: VAX 6000 on Young SheldonNeil Rieck
  +* Re: VAX 6000 on Young SheldonJohnny Billquist
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  |`* Re: VAX 6000 on Young SheldonHunter Goatley
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 by: Neil Rieck - Fri, 3 Feb 2023 13:48 UTC

Don't know how many people here watch "Young Sheldon" which is a spinoff of "The Big Bang Theory". Anyway, last night we see Sheldon Cooper take delivery of a main frame in his dorm. What got rolled in was a VAX-6000-420 with three racks of disk storage. I guess Chuck Lorre and staff didn't know this was a mini (or perhaps they did but just liked the sound of Sheldon say "I need a mainframe")

Neil Rieck
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On 2/3/2023 8:48 AM, Neil Rieck wrote:
> Don't know how many people here watch "Young Sheldon" which is a
> spinoff of "The Big Bang Theory". Anyway, last night we see Sheldon
> Cooper take delivery of a main frame in his dorm. What got rolled in
> was a VAX-6000-420 with three racks of disk storage. I guess Chuck
> Lorre and staff didn't know this was a mini (or perhaps they did but
> just liked the sound of Sheldon say "I need a mainframe")

Ah memories.

End of 80's I worked on a 6000-420. We could have 110 interactive
users on that system.

Arne

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 by: Roy Omond - Fri, 3 Feb 2023 16:24 UTC

On 03/02/2023 14:01, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 2/3/2023 8:48 AM, Neil Rieck wrote:
>> Don't know how many people here watch "Young Sheldon" which is a
>> spinoff of "The Big Bang Theory". Anyway, last night we see Sheldon
>> Cooper take delivery of a main frame in his dorm. What got rolled in
>> was a VAX-6000-420 with three racks of disk storage. I guess Chuck
>> Lorre and staff didn't know this was a mini (or perhaps they did but
>> just liked the sound of Sheldon say "I need a mainframe")
>
> Ah memories.
>
> End of 80's I worked on a 6000-420. We could have 110 interactive
> users on that system.

Memories indeed. The 6000-4n0 was the lower-end system to support
vector processors (the other one was, of course, the VAX 9000).

Managed both of these in the early 1990s in Heidelberg at the
European Molecular Biology Laboratory.

P.s. I have no idea who "Sheldon Cooper" is.

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On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 11:24:21 AM UTC-5, Roy Omond wrote:
> P.s. I have no idea who "Sheldon Cooper" is.

Kip Thorn claims he hired him.

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 by: Neil Rieck - Fri, 3 Feb 2023 20:22 UTC

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 11:24:21 AM UTC-5, Roy Omond wrote:
> On 03/02/2023 14:01, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> > On 2/3/2023 8:48 AM, Neil Rieck wrote:
> >> Don't know how many people here watch "Young Sheldon" which is a
> >> spinoff of "The Big Bang Theory". Anyway, last night we see Sheldon
> >> Cooper take delivery of a main frame in his dorm. What got rolled in
> >> was a VAX-6000-420 with three racks of disk storage. I guess Chuck
> >> Lorre and staff didn't know this was a mini (or perhaps they did but
> >> just liked the sound of Sheldon say "I need a mainframe")
> >
> > Ah memories.
> >
> > End of 80's I worked on a 6000-420. We could have 110 interactive
> > users on that system.
> Memories indeed. The 6000-4n0 was the lower-end system to support
> vector processors (the other one was, of course, the VAX 9000).
>
> Managed both of these in the early 1990s in Heidelberg at the
> European Molecular Biology Laboratory.
>
> P.s. I have no idea who "Sheldon Cooper" is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Cooper

VAX-6000 was the Chevy of minicomputers in the 1990s.

IIRC, Vector processing was only available if you purchased the optional vector processing board (I saw one once at DEC in Bedford Mass.)
https://manx-docs.org/collections/mds-199909/cd1/vax/60vaapg1.pdf

Neil

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 by: Arne Vajhøj - Fri, 3 Feb 2023 20:30 UTC

On 2/3/2023 3:22 PM, Neil Rieck wrote:
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 11:24:21 AM UTC-5, Roy Omond wrote:
>> On 03/02/2023 14:01, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 2/3/2023 8:48 AM, Neil Rieck wrote:
>>>> Don't know how many people here watch "Young Sheldon" which is a
>>>> spinoff of "The Big Bang Theory". Anyway, last night we see Sheldon
>>>> Cooper take delivery of a main frame in his dorm. What got rolled in
>>>> was a VAX-6000-420 with three racks of disk storage. I guess Chuck
>>>> Lorre and staff didn't know this was a mini (or perhaps they did but
>>>> just liked the sound of Sheldon say "I need a mainframe")
>>>
>>> Ah memories.
>>>
>>> End of 80's I worked on a 6000-420. We could have 110 interactive
>>> users on that system.
>> Memories indeed. The 6000-4n0 was the lower-end system to support
>> vector processors (the other one was, of course, the VAX 9000).
>>
>> Managed both of these in the early 1990s in Heidelberg at the
>> European Molecular Biology Laboratory.
>>
>> P.s. I have no idea who "Sheldon Cooper" is.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Cooper
>
> VAX-6000 was the Chevy of minicomputers in the 1990s.
>
> IIRC, Vector processing was only available if you purchased the optional vector processing board (I saw one once at DEC in Bedford Mass.)
> https://manx-docs.org/collections/mds-199909/cd1/vax/60vaapg1.pdf

Yes - it was HW addon.

I don't think it sold that well. Those RISC thingies was
starting to pop up everywhere.

But the 6000 series sold pretty well and I think a lot of them
kept running well up in the 00's. They were pretty
good systems - especially the 400 and later.

Unlike the 9000's which is think mostly had a short
career in the data center.

Arne

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 by: abrsvc - Fri, 3 Feb 2023 20:47 UTC

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 3:30:23 PM UTC-5, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 2/3/2023 3:22 PM, Neil Rieck wrote:
> > On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 11:24:21 AM UTC-5, Roy Omond wrote:
> >> On 03/02/2023 14:01, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> >>> On 2/3/2023 8:48 AM, Neil Rieck wrote:
> >>>> Don't know how many people here watch "Young Sheldon" which is a
> >>>> spinoff of "The Big Bang Theory". Anyway, last night we see Sheldon
> >>>> Cooper take delivery of a main frame in his dorm. What got rolled in
> >>>> was a VAX-6000-420 with three racks of disk storage. I guess Chuck
> >>>> Lorre and staff didn't know this was a mini (or perhaps they did but
> >>>> just liked the sound of Sheldon say "I need a mainframe")
> >>>
> >>> Ah memories.
> >>>
> >>> End of 80's I worked on a 6000-420. We could have 110 interactive
> >>> users on that system.
> >> Memories indeed. The 6000-4n0 was the lower-end system to support
> >> vector processors (the other one was, of course, the VAX 9000).
> >>
> >> Managed both of these in the early 1990s in Heidelberg at the
> >> European Molecular Biology Laboratory.
> >>
> >> P.s. I have no idea who "Sheldon Cooper" is.
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Cooper
> >
> > VAX-6000 was the Chevy of minicomputers in the 1990s.
> >
> > IIRC, Vector processing was only available if you purchased the optional vector processing board (I saw one once at DEC in Bedford Mass.)
> > https://manx-docs.org/collections/mds-199909/cd1/vax/60vaapg1.pdf
> Yes - it was HW addon.
>
> I don't think it sold that well. Those RISC thingies was
> starting to pop up everywhere.
>
> But the 6000 series sold pretty well and I think a lot of them
> kept running well up in the 00's. They were pretty
> good systems - especially the 400 and later.
>
> Unlike the 9000's which is think mostly had a short
> career in the data center.
>
> Arne
I know of 2 VAX6200 clusters still running today. These are expected to be running for another 2 years before getting replaced with a PLC based system..
Dan

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 by: gah4 - Sat, 4 Feb 2023 03:30 UTC

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 5:48:07 AM UTC-8, Neil Rieck wrote:
> Don't know how many people here watch "Young Sheldon" which is a spinoff of "The Big Bang Theory". Anyway, last night we see Sheldon Cooper take delivery of a main frame in his dorm. What got rolled in was a VAX-6000-420 with three racks of disk storage.

I don't think a 370/168 fit in many dorm rooms.

I do remember stories from around 2000 of running big Sun systems, or other
big floor standing processors, in dorm rooms. It seems that heaters are not allowed
in dorms, but inefficient computer are. They kept the room warm!

Anyway, I like "Young Sheldon" much more than Big Bang. For actual nerds,
many of the Big Bang jokes aren't quite as funny. (Not that I watch it all that
often, though.)

But okay, Sheldon was supposed to be in high school in the late 1980's, and college
in the early 1990s. By the 1990's, VAX 11/780 and 11/750 were still around, but
also the early floor standing MicroVAX, and desktop MicroVAX. The 11/730 is
probably dorm sized, with one disk drive. Though little SCSI drives were around
by then, and would be nice for a VAX.

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 by: David Wade - Sat, 4 Feb 2023 11:01 UTC

On 04/02/2023 03:30, gah4 wrote:
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 5:48:07 AM UTC-8, Neil Rieck wrote:
>> Don't know how many people here watch "Young Sheldon" which is a spinoff of "The Big Bang Theory". Anyway, last night we see Sheldon Cooper take delivery of a main frame in his dorm. What got rolled in was a VAX-6000-420 with three racks of disk storage.
>
> I don't think a 370/168 fit in many dorm rooms.

No but someone in New Zealand rented an office and kept a 360/30 in it...

http://www.ljw.me.uk/ibm360/

https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/historydisplays/FourthFloor/MainFrameComputers/System360Model30.php

>
> I do remember stories from around 2000 of running big Sun systems, or other
> big floor standing processors, in dorm rooms. It seems that heaters are not allowed
> in dorms, but inefficient computer are. They kept the room warm!
>
> Anyway, I like "Young Sheldon" much more than Big Bang. For actual nerds,
> many of the Big Bang jokes aren't quite as funny. (Not that I watch it all that
> often, though.)
>
> But okay, Sheldon was supposed to be in high school in the late 1980's, and college
> in the early 1990s. By the 1990's, VAX 11/780 and 11/750 were still around, but
> also the early floor standing MicroVAX, and desktop MicroVAX. The 11/730 is
> probably dorm sized, with one disk drive. Though little SCSI drives were around
> by then, and would be nice for a VAX.

Dave

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 by: Single Stage to Orbi - Sat, 4 Feb 2023 10:19 UTC

On Fri, 2023-02-03 at 19:30 -0800, gah4 wrote:
> But okay, Sheldon was supposed to be in high school in the late
> 1980's, and college in the early 1990s.   By the 1990's, VAX 11/780
> and 11/750 were still around, but also the early floor standing
> MicroVAX, and desktop MicroVAX.  The 11/730 is probably dorm sized,
> with one disk drive.  Though little SCSI drives were around by then,
> and would be nice for a VAX.

I think the noise would be a masssive sleep-killer for most people. Not
a big problem for people like me who are deaf :-D
--
Tactical Nuclear Kittens

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 by: Scott Dorsey - Sat, 4 Feb 2023 21:55 UTC

gah4 <gah4@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 5:48:07 AM UTC-8, Neil Rieck wrote:
>> Don't know how many people here watch "Young Sheldon" which is a spinoff =
>of "The Big Bang Theory". Anyway, last night we see Sheldon Cooper take del=
>ivery of a main frame in his dorm. What got rolled in was a VAX-6000-420 wi=
>th three racks of disk storage.=20
>
>I don't think a 370/168 fit in many dorm rooms.

I had an 11/34 in a dorm room and the RA kept insisting it was a refrigerator
and you weren't allowed to have two refrigerators in one room. I claimed it
was a heating appliance.

>I do remember stories from around 2000 of running big Sun systems, or other
>big floor standing processors, in dorm rooms. It seems that heaters are no=
>t allowed
>in dorms, but inefficient computer are. They kept the room warm!

I think {well-connected-site}!inhp4!akgua!gatech!notavax was one of those,
in a dorm room.
--scott
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 by: bill - Sat, 4 Feb 2023 23:19 UTC

On 2/4/2023 4:55 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> gah4 <gah4@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 5:48:07 AM UTC-8, Neil Rieck wrote:
>>> Don't know how many people here watch "Young Sheldon" which is a spinoff =
>> of "The Big Bang Theory". Anyway, last night we see Sheldon Cooper take del=
>> ivery of a main frame in his dorm. What got rolled in was a VAX-6000-420 wi=
>> th three racks of disk storage.=20
>>
>> I don't think a 370/168 fit in many dorm rooms.
>
> I had an 11/34 in a dorm room and the RA kept insisting it was a refrigerator
> and you weren't allowed to have two refrigerators in one room. I claimed it
> was a heating appliance.
>

Why didn't you just tell him it was a computer. I seriously
doubt the school had any rules prohibiting computers in dorm
rooms.

bill

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bill <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 2/4/2023 4:55 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> gah4 <gah4@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 5:48:07 AM UTC-8, Neil Rieck wrote:
>>>> Don't know how many people here watch "Young Sheldon" which is a spinoff =
>>> of "The Big Bang Theory". Anyway, last night we see Sheldon Cooper take del=
>>> ivery of a main frame in his dorm. What got rolled in was a VAX-6000-420 wi=
>>> th three racks of disk storage.=20
>>>
>>> I don't think a 370/168 fit in many dorm rooms.
>>
>> I had an 11/34 in a dorm room and the RA kept insisting it was a refrigerator
>> and you weren't allowed to have two refrigerators in one room. I claimed it
>> was a heating appliance.
>
>Why didn't you just tell him it was a computer. I seriously
>doubt the school had any rules prohibiting computers in dorm
>rooms.

A computer? In a dorm room? Nobody would ever believe that.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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 by: Slo - Sun, 5 Feb 2023 16:05 UTC

John Updike's "Roger's version" (1986). I have these passages highlighted
in my copy, I used to be so impressed:

“‘I’d be happy to tutor him, if we can find a time. My hours are kind of
funny, with the time-sharing and all. For my graphics I have to split a
VAX 8600 with a girl doing pattern recognitions.”

The sixth floor holds the guts of the place — the massed ranks of
CPUs — VAX 785s, Symbolics 3600 LISP machines, and the Cube’s own design,
the MU—churning and crunching

Like Dale with his animation graphics, Amy needs to use the Venus, the
VAX 8600, which costs four hundred thousand dollars; to have undivided
access to the machine, he and she must schedule away from each other.

The phantom configuration’s anatomy, fitted into the ambiguous three
dimensions of the tortured, abstract pattern, appears complete to Dale;
he believes that, with higher resolving power than the VAX 8600 can summon,
knuckles and even fingernails and cuticles would emerge, just as the
tendrilous graphics of a Mandelbrot set can be infinitely enhanced.

Greedily, impatiently, his fingertips ask the VAX 8600 to repeat
its gigantic loop once more.

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 by: Arne Vajhøj - Sun, 5 Feb 2023 16:36 UTC

On 2/5/2023 11:05 AM, Slo wrote:
> John Updike's "Roger's version" (1986). I have these passages highlighted
> in my copy, I used to be so impressed:
>
> “‘I’d be happy to tutor him, if we can find a time. My hours are kind of
> funny, with the time-sharing and all. For my graphics I have to split a
> VAX 8600 with a girl doing pattern recognitions.”
>
> The sixth floor holds the guts of the place — the massed ranks of
> CPUs — VAX 785s, Symbolics 3600 LISP machines, and the Cube’s own design,
> the MU—churning and crunching
>
> Like Dale with his animation graphics, Amy needs to use the Venus, the
> VAX 8600, which costs four hundred thousand dollars; to have undivided
> access to the machine, he and she must schedule away from each other.
>
> The phantom configuration’s anatomy, fitted into the ambiguous three
> dimensions of the tortured, abstract pattern, appears complete to Dale;
> he believes that, with higher resolving power than the VAX 8600 can summon,
> knuckles and even fingernails and cuticles would emerge, just as the
> tendrilous graphics of a Mandelbrot set can be infinitely enhanced.
>
> Greedily, impatiently, his fingertips ask the VAX 8600 to repeat
> its gigantic loop once more.

Where I was at the time the 8600 was replace by / upgraded to a 8650.

It was very fast compared to everything else around. But it was not
without complications. The RA81 disks went bad all the time (the
RA82 disks was better). Once they replaced a board in the system
and it became unstable - they replaced another board and it was
still unstable - replaced a third board still unstable - put
back all the old boards and it worked again.

Arne

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 by: Alan Frisbie - Sun, 5 Feb 2023 17:43 UTC

On 2/4/23 1:55 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

> I had an 11/34 in a dorm room and the RA kept insisting it was a refrigerator
> and you weren't allowed to have two refrigerators in one room. I claimed it
> was a heating appliance.
In 1966 at Cal-Poly Pomona, one of the guys in my dorm had
a Teletype ASR-19 that he used with his ham radio.

Alan Frisbie

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 by: bill - Sun, 5 Feb 2023 23:05 UTC

On 2/5/2023 12:43 PM, Alan Frisbie wrote:
> On 2/4/23 1:55 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
>> I had an 11/34 in a dorm room and the RA kept insisting it was a
>> refrigerator
>> and you weren't allowed to have two refrigerators in one room.  I
>> claimed it
>> was a heating appliance.
> In 1966 at Cal-Poly Pomona, one of the guys in my dorm had
> a Teletype ASR-19 that he used with his ham radio.
>

In 1966 I would have expected more flack over ham radio in the
dorm than a computer.

bill

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 by: gah4 - Mon, 6 Feb 2023 10:41 UTC

On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 3:01:34 AM UTC-8, David Wade wrote:

(snip, I wrote)
> > I don't think a 370/168 fit in many dorm rooms.

> No but someone in New Zealand rented an office and kept a 360/30 in it...
>
> http://www.ljw.me.uk/ibm360/
>
> https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/historydisplays/FourthFloor/MainFrameComputers/System360Model30.php

The 360/20 was specifically designed to run in ordinary offices.
The core memory has temperature compensation.

The 360/30 is a little bigger, and might not have that.

Some will question exactly how big one has to be to be a real mainframe.

And VAX were some that had that asked of them. Even in the beginning.

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 by: Neil Rieck - Mon, 6 Feb 2023 13:04 UTC

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 3:30:23 PM UTC-5, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 2/3/2023 3:22 PM, Neil Rieck wrote:
> > On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 11:24:21 AM UTC-5, Roy Omond wrote:
> >> On 03/02/2023 14:01, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> >>> On 2/3/2023 8:48 AM, Neil Rieck wrote:
> >>>> Don't know how many people here watch "Young Sheldon" which is a
> >>>> spinoff of "The Big Bang Theory". Anyway, last night we see Sheldon
> >>>> Cooper take delivery of a main frame in his dorm. What got rolled in
> >>>> was a VAX-6000-420 with three racks of disk storage. I guess Chuck
> >>>> Lorre and staff didn't know this was a mini (or perhaps they did but
> >>>> just liked the sound of Sheldon say "I need a mainframe")
> >>>
> >>> Ah memories.
> >>>
> >>> End of 80's I worked on a 6000-420. We could have 110 interactive
> >>> users on that system.
> >> Memories indeed. The 6000-4n0 was the lower-end system to support
> >> vector processors (the other one was, of course, the VAX 9000).
> >>
> >> Managed both of these in the early 1990s in Heidelberg at the
> >> European Molecular Biology Laboratory.
> >>
> >> P.s. I have no idea who "Sheldon Cooper" is.
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Cooper
> >
> > VAX-6000 was the Chevy of minicomputers in the 1990s.
> >
> > IIRC, Vector processing was only available if you purchased the optional vector processing board (I saw one once at DEC in Bedford Mass.)
> > https://manx-docs.org/collections/mds-199909/cd1/vax/60vaapg1.pdf
> Yes - it was HW addon.
>
> I don't think it sold that well. Those RISC thingies was
> starting to pop up everywhere.
>
> But the 6000 series sold pretty well and I think a lot of them
> kept running well up in the 00's. They were pretty
> good systems - especially the 400 and later.
>
> Unlike the 9000's which is think mostly had a short
> career in the data center.
>
> Arne

VAX-6000 was the first time I encountered SMP (symmetric multi processing) on VAX. We were running a 6430 which meant 3 CPUs

Before that I worked for a year on a pair of VAX-8550 configured as a VAXcluster

Our VAX-6430 system felt faster than the pair of clustered VAX-8550

Back in the day, DEC published VUP (Vax Units of Performance) for each new product line compared to VAX-11/780 which had a value of "1"

I recall seeing VUPs numbers for the 8000 series but does anyone have VUP numbers for the 6000 family?

p.s. you are correct about RISC. At this time we were seeing Sun servers everywhere.

Neil Rieck
Waterloo, Ontario, Canada.
http://neilrieck.net
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On 2023-02-04, Single Stage to Orbit <alex.buell@munted.eu> wrote:
> On Fri, 2023-02-03 at 19:30 -0800, gah4 wrote:
>> But okay, Sheldon was supposed to be in high school in the late
>> 1980's, and college in the early 1990s.   By the 1990's, VAX 11/780
>> and 11/750 were still around, but also the early floor standing
>> MicroVAX, and desktop MicroVAX.  The 11/730 is probably dorm sized,
>> with one disk drive.  Though little SCSI drives were around by then,
>> and would be nice for a VAX.
>
> I think the noise would be a masssive sleep-killer for most people. Not
> a big problem for people like me who are deaf :-D

You get used to some noises and it depends on how annoying the noise is.

At a former employer many years ago, I took another employee into the
computing area to help with something or other and they wanted to know
what the loud noise was as we walked down the corridor towards my office.

I had to think for a few seconds before I realised they were talking
about the air conditioning unit. I then realised air conditioning units
had simply become background noise for me and others and they didn't
intrude on my ability to think or concentrate in any way. :-)

It did make me think for a while afterwards about the things we humans
can adapt to without even realising it...

Simon.

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On 2023-02-05, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>
> Where I was at the time the 8600 was replace by / upgraded to a 8650.
>
> It was very fast compared to everything else around. But it was not
> without complications. The RA81 disks went bad all the time (the
> RA82 disks was better). Once they replaced a board in the system
> and it became unstable - they replaced another board and it was
> still unstable - replaced a third board still unstable - put
> back all the old boards and it worked again.
>

https://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/field+circus

Simon.

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On 2023-02-06, gah4 <gah4@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>
> The 360/20 was specifically designed to run in ordinary offices.
> The core memory has temperature compensation.
>
> The 360/30 is a little bigger, and might not have that.
>
> Some will question exactly how big one has to be to be a real mainframe.
>

I wonder how much space an IBM z15 system takes up ?

From the outside, they look quite compact...

Simon.

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On Mon, 2023-02-06 at 13:17 +0000, Simon Clubley wrote:
> It did make me think for a while afterwards about the things we
> humans can adapt to without even realising it...

Farmyard smells. You do get used to it after a while. Occasionally the
smell of cow shit will roll through the town I live in on rare
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Info-vax <info-vax-bounces@rbnsn.com> On Behalf Of Simon Clubley
> via Info-vax
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> To: info-vax@rbnsn.com
> Cc: Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP>
> Subject: Re: [Info-vax] VAX 6000 on Young Sheldon
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> On 2023-02-06, gah4 <gah4@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> >
> > The 360/20 was specifically designed to run in ordinary offices.
> > The core memory has temperature compensation.
> >
> > The 360/30 is a little bigger, and might not have that.
> >
> > Some will question exactly how big one has to be to be a real mainframe.
> >
>
> I wonder how much space an IBM z15 system takes up ?
>
> From the outside, they look quite compact...
>
> Simon.
>

>From Mr. Google - see below. (z15 is pretty impressive and the z16 is now
the current shipping mainframe. Google IBM z16 and read specs - very
impressive.)

<IBM z15 is designed as an extendable system using 19" packaging. The system
is 40u in height with a 38u height reduction. It runs at 5.2GHz processor
frequency, offers 8TB memory per CPC drawer for up to 40TB per machine, 85
partitions, and up to 190 cores to configure (versus 170 on z14).Nov 15,
2022>

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Neil Rieck schrieb am Montag, 6. Februar 2023 um 14:04:47 UTC+1:

> I recall seeing VUPs numbers for the 8000 series but does anyone have VUP numbers for the 6000 family?

Neil,

here are VUPS numbers for all sorts of VAX systems:

http://www.vaxmacro.de/vvcc.html

Volker.


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