REF:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/new-windows-11-install-script-bypasses-tpm-system-requirements/

fwiw

[excerpt quote=\"
A new script allows you to install Windows 11 on devices with
incompatible hardware, such as missing TPM 2.0, incompatible CPUs, or
the lack of Secure Boot. Even better, the script also works on virtual
machines, allowing you to upgrade to the latest Windows Insider build.
\" /]

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On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 at 03:14:52, Sailfish
<NIXCAPSsailfish@NIXCAPSunforgettable.com> wrote (my responses usually
follow points raised):
>REF:
>https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/new-windows-11-install-s
>cript-bypasses-tpm-system-requirements/
>
>fwiw
>
>[excerpt quote=\"
>A new script allows you to install Windows 11 on devices with
>incompatible hardware, such as missing TPM 2.0, incompatible CPUs, or
>the lack of Secure Boot. Even better, the script also works on virtual
>machines, allowing you to upgrade to the latest Windows Insider build.
>\" /]
>
To save others looking: it isn't a third-party hack, it's actually
Microsoft - part of the "Universal MediaCreationTool wrapper". As I read
it, it's intended to help evaluation of 11, and not intended for
"production machines" if they don't satisfy the requirements.
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J. P. Gilliver (John) graced us with on 9/29/2021 5:35 AM:
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 at 03:14:52, Sailfish
> <NIXCAPSsailfish@NIXCAPSunforgettable.com> wrote (my responses usually
> follow points raised):
>> REF:
>> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/new-windows-11-install-s
>> cript-bypasses-tpm-system-requirements/
>>
>> fwiw
>>
>> [excerpt quote=\"
>> A new script allows you to install Windows 11 on devices with
>> incompatible hardware, such as missing TPM 2.0, incompatible CPUs, or
>> the lack of Secure Boot. Even better, the script also works on virtual
>> machines, allowing you to upgrade to the latest Windows Insider build.
>> \" /]
>>
> To save others looking: it isn't a third-party hack, it's actually
> Microsoft - part of the "Universal MediaCreationTool wrapper". As I read
> it, it's intended to help evaluation of 11, and not intended for
> "production machines" if they don't satisfy the requirements.

It's not like it's forbidden knowledge, all are welcome to look for
themselves. Also, there are plenty of reasons others may want to use it,
having little to do with putting it on a production machine, yes?

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On 29/09/2021 11:14, Sailfish wrote:
> REF:
> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/new-windows-11-install-script-bypasses-tpm-system-requirements/
>
>
> fwiw
>
> [excerpt quote=\"
> A new script allows you to install Windows 11 on devices with
> incompatible hardware, such as missing TPM 2.0, incompatible CPUs, or
> the lack of Secure Boot. Even better, the script also works on virtual
> machines, allowing you to upgrade to the latest Windows Insider build.
> \" /]
>

But there's a rumour that you won't get any Windows updates of any kind
if you do this.

--
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On 29/09/2021 11:14, Sailfish wrote:
> REF: https://www.b
>
> fwiw
>
> [excerpt quote=\"
> A new script allows you to install Windows 11 on devices with
> incompatible hardware, such as missing TPM 2.0, incompatible CPUs, or
> the lack of Secure Boot. Even better, the script also works on virtual
> machines, allowing you to upgrade to the latest Windows Insider build.
> \" /]
>
What good is this for someone who hasn't used Windows 8.1 or Windows 10?
Are you saying people can just use your script and upgrade Windows 7
machine? Is it a good idea to do this?

On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 04:00:00 +0000, Main User wrote:

> Are you saying people can just use your script and upgrade Windows 7
> machine? Is it a good idea to do this?

That's about a six version upgrade - never going to work well.
You're paying the price for ignoring Win10 and staying with Win7.

On 9/30/2021 6:36 AM, mechanic wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 04:00:00 +0000, Main User wrote:
>
>> Are you saying people can just use your script and upgrade Windows 7
>> machine? Is it a good idea to do this?
>
> That's about a six version upgrade - never going to work well.
> You're paying the price for ignoring Win10 and staying with Win7.

Win7SP1 \___ Win10 ______ Load PCHealth ______ Determine if ready for W11
Win8.1 / Upgrade (runs in Win10) Use W11.iso, install over top
to keep programs and data

Paul

Brian Gregory graced us with on 9/29/2021 5:09 PM:
> On 29/09/2021 11:14, Sailfish wrote:
>> REF:
>> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/new-windows-11-install-script-bypasses-tpm-system-requirements/
>>
>> fwiw
>>
>> [excerpt quote=\"
>> A new script allows you to install Windows 11 on devices with
>> incompatible hardware, such as missing TPM 2.0, incompatible CPUs, or
>> the lack of Secure Boot. Even better, the script also works on virtual
>> machines, allowing you to upgrade to the latest Windows Insider build.
>> \" /]
>>
> But there's a rumour that you won't get any Windows updates of any kind
> if you do this.
>
imo, I wouldn't install this on any system that would be one's primary
machine. In fact, if I were inclined, I'd only mount it as a virtual
machine or a spare machine to evaluate it to become familiar with it.

YMMV

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Main User graced us with on 9/29/2021 9:00 PM:
> On 29/09/2021 11:14, Sailfish wrote:
>> REF: https://www.b
>>
>> fwiw
>>
>> [excerpt quote=\"
>> A new script allows you to install Windows 11 on devices with
>> incompatible hardware, such as missing TPM 2.0, incompatible CPUs, or
>> the lack of Secure Boot. Even better, the script also works on virtual
>> machines, allowing you to upgrade to the latest Windows Insider build.
>> \" /]
>>
> What good is this for someone who hasn't used Windows 8.1 or Windows 10?
>
> Are you saying people can just use your script and upgrade Windows 7
> machine? Is it a good idea to do this?

As I mentioned to Brian above, I wouldn't, nor recommend to others, to
use this method as a means to upgrade an older machine.

Personally, I'm not interested in W8, Win10 and certainly not Win11.

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mechanic graced us with on 9/30/2021 3:36 AM:
> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 04:00:00 +0000, Main User wrote:
>
>> Are you saying people can just use your script and upgrade Windows 7
>> machine? Is it a good idea to do this?
>
> That's about a six version upgrade - never going to work well.
> You're paying the price for ignoring Win10 and staying with Win7.

Win7 continues to work wonderfully for me for my personal computing
needs. If I find some software where I need to upgrade to use, I'll
purchase a new machine for it but continue to use Win7 as my go-to machine.

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On 9/30/2021 9:39 AM, Sailfish wrote:

> Win7 continues to work wonderfully for me for my personal computing
> needs. If I find some software where I need to upgrade to use, I'll
> purchase a new machine for it but continue to use Win7 as my go-to machine.

Windows 7 continues to work wonderfully for many people. There are
however, at least five potential reasons why some people might not want
to stay with it.

1. New software that's desired or needed that won't work with it (as you
said).

2. New hardware that's desired or needed that won't work with it

3. More up-to-date and better malware protection. That becomes an even
bigger issue when Microsoft's maintenance period expires.

4. A better interface, or at least one that the user prefers. For
example, some people prefer Windows 8's default interface to Windows 7's
(even though I don't)

5. New features or built-in applications, or improved features or
built-in applications that are preferred in the new version. For
example, some people might prefer Edge to IE (even though I don't).

Not everyone needs to run the latest version of Windows, nor any any
other piece of software, just as not everyone needs to own the latest
version of the car he drives.

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Ken Blake graced us with on 9/30/2021 10:02 AM:
> On 9/30/2021 9:39 AM, Sailfish wrote:
>
>> Win7 continues to work wonderfully for me for my personal computing
>> needs. If I find some software where I need to upgrade to use, I'll
>> purchase a new machine for it but continue to use Win7 as my go-to
>> machine.
>
>
>
> Windows 7 continues to work wonderfully for many people. There are
> however, at least five potential reasons why some people might not want
> to stay with it.
>
> 1. New software that's desired or needed that won't work with it (as you
> said).
>
> 2. New hardware that's desired or needed that won't work with it
>
Agreed. Luckily, my needs do not yet demand it. Admittedly, I may be
forced to decide to upgrade to a Win 10+ system for future gaming
desires but, again, it would not be my go-to machine.

> 3. More up-to-date and better malware protection. That becomes an even
> bigger issue when Microsoft's maintenance period expires.
>
This is mitigated by any number of AV companies out there offering
up-to-date malware protection for Win7.

> 4. A better interface, or at least one that the user prefers. For
> example, some people prefer Windows 8's default interface to Windows 7's
> (even though I don't)
>
From a power user perspective, UIs after Win7 really suck to high
heaven, imo. Also, the decision to go with a soul-rendering flat-design
desktop over the Win7 skeumorphic Aero desktop is like going from using
a Charmin approach to that of a spiny corncob one. Sure, both get the
job done but, still...

> 5. New features or built-in applications, or improved features or
> built-in applications that are preferred in the new version. For
> example, some people might prefer Edge to IE (even though I don't).
>
fwiw, Edge runs fine on my Win7; although, like you, I seldom use it.
However, in general, I understand your point.

> Not everyone needs to run the latest version of Windows, nor any any
> other piece of software, just as not everyone needs to own the latest
> version of the car he drives.
>
Agreed. In fact, my go-to car is a 2001 Camry and I doubt very seriously
that I'll ever upgrade. When I have a need to travel long distances, I
rent a car but ... I digress.

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On 9/30/2021 11:34 AM, Sailfish wrote:
<SNIP>
> Agreed. In fact, my go-to car is a 2001 Camry and I doubt very seriously
> that I'll ever upgrade. When I have a need to travel long distances, I
> rent a car but ... I digress.

My 2000 Camry was just totaled in an accident. I had planned to keep it
another 5 years then declare myself too old to drive. The accident and
my spouse's declaration that I was not going to be chauffeur around
meant I had to get another auto. As you may have heard, this is not the
time to car shop. You are lucky if you can find a dealer with one on
their lot and price is take it or leave it. The prices on used cars are
out of sight and make no sense either. I really miss that old Camry but
I must tell you the new electronics are rather amazing. I'm talking
about safety features and driving enhancements. I don't watch TV or
phone while I'm driving so I don't care much one way or the other for
the media enhancements.
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On 9/30/2021 10:34 AM, Sailfish wrote:
> Ken Blake graced us with on 9/30/2021 10:02 AM:
>> On 9/30/2021 9:39 AM, Sailfish wrote:
>>
>>> Win7 continues to work wonderfully for me for my personal computing
>>> needs. If I find some software where I need to upgrade to use, I'll
>>> purchase a new machine for it but continue to use Win7 as my go-to
>>> machine.
>>
>>
>>
>> Windows 7 continues to work wonderfully for many people. There are
>> however, at least five potential reasons why some people might not want
>> to stay with it.
>>
>> 1. New software that's desired or needed that won't work with it (as you
>> said).
>>
>> 2. New hardware that's desired or needed that won't work with it
>>
> Agreed. Luckily, my needs do not yet demand it. Admittedly, I may be
> forced to decide to upgrade to a Win 10+ system for future gaming
> desires but, again, it would not be my go-to machine.

Understood. Note that I said "some people." We're all different.

For example, *I* never play computer games. When I said "hardware," I
was mostly thinking about printers and scanners, or perhaps some new
kind of device we've never heard of yet.

>
>> 3. More up-to-date and better malware protection. That becomes an even
>> bigger issue when Microsoft's maintenance period expires.
>>
> This is mitigated by any number of AV companies out there offering
> up-to-date malware protection for Win7.

Mitigated to some extent, but not completely. And they are not all
equally good. And who knows when those third-party AV companies will
drop support for older versions of Windows?

>> 4. A better interface, or at least one that the user prefers. For
>> example, some people prefer Windows 8's default interface to Windows 7's
>> (even though I don't)
>>
> From a power user perspective, UIs after Win7 really suck to high
> heaven, imo.

I'm not sure about "power user perspective," but that's my opinion, too.
But I wasn't talking about our opinions. Again, "some people's" opinions.

> Also, the decision to go with a soul-rendering flat-design
> desktop over the Win7 skeumorphic Aero desktop is like going from using
> a Charmin approach to that of a spiny corncob one. Sure, both get the
> job done but, still...
>
>> 5. New features or built-in applications, or improved features or
>> built-in applications that are preferred in the new version. For
>> example, some people might prefer Edge to IE (even though I don't).
>>
> fwiw, Edge runs fine on my Win7; although, like you, I seldom use it.

Running fine, and liking it, are two completely different things. It
runs fine here too. Although I know some people who like it, I hate it
and never use it, mostly because of its UI. I greatly prefer and use
FireFox.

> However, in general, I understand your point.
>
>> Not everyone needs to run the latest version of Windows, nor any any
>> other piece of software, just as not everyone needs to own the latest
>> version of the car he drives.
>>
> Agreed. In fact, my go-to car is a 2001 Camry and I doubt very seriously
> that I'll ever upgrade. When I have a need to travel long distances, I
> rent a car but ... I digress.

I had a 2001 Camry, but it's gone now. My current car is a 2020 Camry.
I'm almost 84, and I won't live forever (or maybe not even be able to
drive for the rest of my life), so my hope is I won't ever need to buy
another car.

I never drive long distances any more, and I probably never will again.

All of that said, I'm running Windows 10 now, and plan to upgrade to 11
very soon.

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Jeff Barnett graced us with on 9/30/2021 10:52 AM:
> On 9/30/2021 11:34 AM, Sailfish wrote:
> <SNIP>
>> Agreed. In fact, my go-to car is a 2001 Camry and I doubt very
>> seriously that I'll ever upgrade. When I have a need to travel long
>> distances, I rent a car but ... I digress.
>
> My 2000 Camry was just totaled in an accident. I had planned to keep it
> another 5 years then declare myself too old to drive. The accident and
> my spouse's declaration that I was not going to be chauffeur around
> meant I had to get another auto. As you may have heard, this is not the
> time to car shop. You are lucky if you can find a dealer with one on
> their lot and price is take it or leave it. The prices on used cars are
> out of sight and make no sense either. I really miss that old Camry but
> I must tell you the new electronics are rather amazing. I'm talking
> about safety features and driving enhancements. I don't watch TV or
> phone while I'm driving so I don't care much one way or the other for
> the media enhancements.

First, sorry to hear about the loss of your Camry. I agree, some of the
features on the newer cars is amazing such as the Dynamic Radar Cruise
Control system but for $30K+, it's cheaper for me to rent. Knocking on
wood that MY Camry doesn't get total'd :-)

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Ken Blake graced us with on 9/30/2021 11:15 AM:
> On 9/30/2021 10:34 AM, Sailfish wrote:
>> Ken Blake graced us with on 9/30/2021 10:02 AM:
>>> On 9/30/2021 9:39 AM, Sailfish wrote:
>>>
>>>> Win7 continues to work wonderfully for me for my personal computing
>>>> needs. If I find some software where I need to upgrade to use, I'll
>>>> purchase a new machine for it but continue to use Win7 as my go-to
>>>> machine.
>>>
>>> Windows 7 continues to work wonderfully for many people. There are
>>> however, at least five potential reasons why some people might not
>>> want to stay with it.
>>>
>>> 1. New software that's desired or needed that won't work with it (as
>>> you said).
>>>
>>> 2. New hardware that's desired or needed that won't work with it
>>>
>> Agreed. Luckily, my needs do not yet demand it. Admittedly, I may be
>> forced to decide to upgrade to a Win 10+ system for future gaming
>> desires but, again, it would not be my go-to machine.
>
> Understood. Note that I said "some people." We're all different.
>
> For example, *I* never play computer games. When I said "hardware," I
> was mostly thinking about printers and scanners, or perhaps some new
> kind of device we've never heard of yet.
>
You're about 10+ years ahead of me but I find many of the
graphic-intensive PC games a pleasurable entertainment experience. One
of my favorites is Fallout/New Vegas. It's an alternate universe post
apocalyptic game of 1960s Las Vegas. It's a parody of our 60s Las Vegas
with many of the characters from that era like the Rat Pack, some Elvis, &c.

Since I no-longer watch TV (my wall-mounted widescreen is mostly
gathering dust. PC gaming is much more gratifying. fwiw.

>>> 3. More up-to-date and better malware protection. That becomes an
>>> even bigger issue when Microsoft's maintenance period expires.
>>>
>> This is mitigated by any number of AV companies out there offering
>> up-to-date malware protection for Win7.
>
> Mitigated to some extent, but not completely. And they are not all
> equally good. And who knows when those third-party AV companies will
> drop support for older versions of Windows?
>
Sure, but honestly, I'm not that worried about it. I also protect myself
via scheduled weekly and monthly backups (one is running as I type this
message.)

>>> 4. A better interface, or at least one that the user prefers. For
>>> example, some people prefer Windows 8's default interface to Windows
>>> 7's (even though I don't)
>>>
>> From a power user perspective, UIs after Win7 really suck to high
>> heaven, imo.
>
> I'm not sure about "power user perspective," but that's my opinion, too.
> But I wasn't talking about our opinions. Again, "some people's" opinions.
>
Of course and many are pleased with the newer system. My younger
children have no problem paying monthly subscriptions for things like
Office 360 or Adobe Creative Cloud. I'm not like them :-)

Actually, I do have Win10 on a laptop that I use for when I travel. I
had to upgrade to get the higher resolution screen. I also have Win 10
on my Win7 system as a virtual machine which I use once a year to run
Turbo-Tax which no longer supports Win7.

>> Also, the decision to go with a soul-rendering flat-design
>> desktop over the Win7 skeumorphic Aero desktop is like going from using
>> a Charmin approach to that of a spiny corncob one. Sure, both get the
>> job done but, still...
>>
>>> 5. New features or built-in applications, or improved features or
>>> built-in applications that are preferred in the new version. For
>>> example, some people might prefer Edge to IE (even though I don't).
>>>
>> fwiw, Edge runs fine on my Win7; although, like you, I seldom use it.
>
> Running fine, and liking it, are two completely different things. It
> runs fine here too. Although I know some people who like it, I hate it
> and never use it, mostly because of its UI. I greatly prefer and use
> FireFox.
>
+1

>> However, in general, I understand your point.
>>
>>> Not everyone needs to run the latest version of Windows, nor any any
>>> other piece of software, just as not everyone needs to own the latest
>>> version of the car he drives.
>>>
>> Agreed. In fact, my go-to car is a 2001 Camry and I doubt very seriously
>> that I'll ever upgrade. When I have a need to travel long distances, I
>> rent a car but ... I digress.
>
> I had a 2001 Camry, but it's gone now. My current car is a 2020 Camry.
> I'm almost 84, and I won't live forever (or maybe not even be able to
> drive for the rest of my life), so my hope is I won't ever need to buy
> another car.
>
Yeah, anecdotally, I was visited by a neighbor's relative who wanted to
sell me on the his new Tesla. It had all the gimmicks one could want but
took 30+ minutes to get half of a recharge and then only in special
locations. I was polite and took the opportunity to get a test drive and
ask tons of questions but left unimpressed.

> I never drive long distances any more, and I probably never will again.
>
> All of that said, I'm running Windows 10 now, and plan to upgrade to 11
> very soon.
>
Looping back to the topic, you might find installing the Win11 system in
this article on a virtual maching first to get a feel for its capabilities?

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On 9/30/2021 11:51 AM, Sailfish wrote:
> Ken Blake graced us with on 9/30/2021 11:15 AM:
>> On 9/30/2021 10:34 AM, Sailfish wrote:
>>> Ken Blake graced us with on 9/30/2021 10:02 AM:
>>>> On 9/30/2021 9:39 AM, Sailfish wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Win7 continues to work wonderfully for me for my personal computing
>>>>> needs. If I find some software where I need to upgrade to use, I'll
>>>>> purchase a new machine for it but continue to use Win7 as my go-to
>>>>> machine.
>>>>
>>>> Windows 7 continues to work wonderfully for many people. There are
>>>> however, at least five potential reasons why some people might not
>>>> want to stay with it.
>>>>
>>>> 1. New software that's desired or needed that won't work with it (as
>>>> you said).
>>>>
>>>> 2. New hardware that's desired or needed that won't work with it
>>>>
>>> Agreed. Luckily, my needs do not yet demand it. Admittedly, I may be
>>> forced to decide to upgrade to a Win 10+ system for future gaming
>>> desires but, again, it would not be my go-to machine.
>>
>> Understood. Note that I said "some people." We're all different.
>>
>> For example, *I* never play computer games. When I said "hardware," I
>> was mostly thinking about printers and scanners, or perhaps some new
>> kind of device we've never heard of yet.
>>
> You're about 10+ years ahead of me but I find many of the
> graphic-intensive PC games a pleasurable entertainment experience. One
> of my favorites is Fallout/New Vegas. It's an alternate universe post
> apocalyptic game of 1960s Las Vegas. It's a parody of our 60s Las Vegas
> with many of the characters from that era like the Rat Pack, some Elvis, &c.
>
> Since I no-longer watch TV (my wall-mounted widescreen is mostly
> gathering dust. PC gaming is much more gratifying. fwiw.
>
>>>> 3. More up-to-date and better malware protection. That becomes an
>>>> even bigger issue when Microsoft's maintenance period expires.
>>>>
>>> This is mitigated by any number of AV companies out there offering
>>> up-to-date malware protection for Win7.
>>
>> Mitigated to some extent, but not completely. And they are not all
>> equally good. And who knows when those third-party AV companies will
>> drop support for older versions of Windows?
>>
> Sure, but honestly, I'm not that worried about it. I also protect myself
> via scheduled weekly and monthly backups (one is running as I type this
> message.)
>
>>>> 4. A better interface, or at least one that the user prefers. For
>>>> example, some people prefer Windows 8's default interface to Windows
>>>> 7's (even though I don't)
>>>>
>>> From a power user perspective, UIs after Win7 really suck to high
>>> heaven, imo.
>>
>> I'm not sure about "power user perspective," but that's my opinion, too.
>> But I wasn't talking about our opinions. Again, "some people's" opinions.
>>
> Of course and many are pleased with the newer system. My younger
> children have no problem paying monthly subscriptions for things like
> Office 360 or Adobe Creative Cloud. I'm not like them :-)
>
> Actually, I do have Win10 on a laptop that I use for when I travel. I
> had to upgrade to get the higher resolution screen. I also have Win 10
> on my Win7 system as a virtual machine which I use once a year to run
> Turbo-Tax which no longer supports Win7.
>
>>> Also, the decision to go with a soul-rendering flat-design
>>> desktop over the Win7 skeumorphic Aero desktop is like going from using
>>> a Charmin approach to that of a spiny corncob one. Sure, both get the
>>> job done but, still...
>>>
>>>> 5. New features or built-in applications, or improved features or
>>>> built-in applications that are preferred in the new version. For
>>>> example, some people might prefer Edge to IE (even though I don't).
>>>>
>>> fwiw, Edge runs fine on my Win7; although, like you, I seldom use it.
>>
>> Running fine, and liking it, are two completely different things. It
>> runs fine here too. Although I know some people who like it, I hate it
>> and never use it, mostly because of its UI. I greatly prefer and use
>> FireFox.
>>
> +1
>
>>> However, in general, I understand your point.
>>>
>>>> Not everyone needs to run the latest version of Windows, nor any any
>>>> other piece of software, just as not everyone needs to own the latest
>>>> version of the car he drives.
>>>>
>>> Agreed. In fact, my go-to car is a 2001 Camry and I doubt very seriously
>>> that I'll ever upgrade. When I have a need to travel long distances, I
>>> rent a car but ... I digress.
>>
>> I had a 2001 Camry, but it's gone now. My current car is a 2020 Camry.
>> I'm almost 84, and I won't live forever (or maybe not even be able to
>> drive for the rest of my life), so my hope is I won't ever need to buy
>> another car.
>>
> Yeah, anecdotally, I was visited by a neighbor's relative who wanted to
> sell me on the his new Tesla. It had all the gimmicks one could want but
> took 30+ minutes to get half of a recharge and then only in special
> locations. I was polite and took the opportunity to get a test drive and
> ask tons of questions but left unimpressed.
>
>> I never drive long distances any more, and I probably never will again.
>>
>> All of that said, I'm running Windows 10 now, and plan to upgrade to 11
>> very soon.
>>
> Looping back to the topic, you might find installing the Win11 system in
> this article on a virtual maching first to get a feel for its capabilities?

Thanks, but no, I'll just upgrade. I've played with a preview version on
a friend's machine a little, and it seemed fine. I'll upgrade. I can
always go back if I need to but I don't expect to.

--
Ken

On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 01:09:33 +0100, Brian Gregory wrote:
>
> On 29/09/2021 11:14, Sailfish wrote:
> > https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/new-windows-11-
install-script-bypasses-tpm-system-requirements/
> >
> > A new script allows you to install Windows 11 on devices with
> > incompatible hardware, such as missing TPM 2.0, incompatible CPUs, or
> > the lack of Secure Boot. Even better, the script also works on virtual
> > machines, allowing you to upgrade to the latest Windows Insider build.
>
> But there's a rumour that you won't get any Windows updates of any kind
> if you do this.

To me that's a selling point, given Microsoft's many bungled updates
in the last couple of years.

--
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https://OakRoadSystems.com/
Shikata ga nai...

On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 at 10:02:36, Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote
(my responses usually follow points raised):
>On 9/30/2021 9:39 AM, Sailfish wrote:
>
>> Win7 continues to work wonderfully for me for my personal computing
>> needs. If I find some software where I need to upgrade to use, I'll
>> purchase a new machine for it but continue to use Win7 as my go-to machine.
>
>
>
>Windows 7 continues to work wonderfully for many people. There are

Me one of them. (Well, it's pausing a lot; I suspect that's either yet
another failing HD, or just I haven't rebooted for - probably two or
three weeks.)

>however, at least five potential reasons why some people might not want
>to stay with it.
>
>1. New software that's desired or needed that won't work with it (as
>you said).
>
>2. New hardware that's desired or needed that won't work with it

I think both of those are very valid. Though when the second happens
because something (I suspect most likely a printer) dies and has to be
replaced with something that needs Windows 1x without giving you
anything extra _you_ want, it's infuriating.
>
>3. More up-to-date and better malware protection. That becomes an even
>bigger issue when Microsoft's maintenance period expires.

(Leaving aside Sailfish's point that many AV companies are still
supporting W7 [isn't at least one still supporting XP?]:) I think this
is the main reason, or at least the main one "they" scare the
un-computer-literate with.

But I do wonder how important it is, because:

Those of us here, and similarly experienced, practice safe hex -
probably even unconsciously. And - perhaps only after we've been burned
once, or once too many times! - probably take backups, too.
Those who are new to computing - or just not bright, at least at
computing (some people aren't: they can be much better than us at
baking, DIY, sheep-farming, or even things like management) - are likely
to do stupid things, even if they're running the latest OS. Sure, there
will be _some_ extra protection from the increased inherent resilience
of the latest OS, but I suspect mostly outclassed by their tendency to
do things like run attachments, click on links, and so on.
[]
>Not everyone needs to run the latest version of Windows, nor any any
>other piece of software, just as not everyone needs to own the latest
>version of the car he drives.
>
Lots of parallels: modern cars are indeed safer, but on the whole older
drivers are safer (as long as they keep an eye on ageing matters, such
as eyesight deterioration).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

A man is not contemptible because he thinks science explains everything, and a
man is not contemptible because he doesn't. - Howard Jacobson, in Radio Times
2010/1/23-29.

Ken Blake graced us with on 9/30/2021 1:21 PM:
>
> Thanks, but no, I'll just upgrade. I've played with a preview version on
> a friend's machine a little, and it seemed fine. I'll upgrade. I can
> always go back if I need to but I don't expect to.
>
Enjoy your new system.

--
Sailfish
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On 9/30/2021 4:01 PM, Sailfish wrote:
> Ken Blake graced us with on 9/30/2021 1:21 PM:
>>
>> Thanks, but no, I'll just upgrade. I've played with a preview version on
>> a friend's machine a little, and it seemed fine. I'll upgrade. I can
>> always go back if I need to but I don't expect to.
>>
> Enjoy your new system.

I already am doing so, thanks very much. It's much faster than the old one.

--
Ken

On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 14:16:20 -0700, Stan Brown
<the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 01:09:33 +0100, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>
>> On 29/09/2021 11:14, Sailfish wrote:
>> > https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/new-windows-11-
>install-script-bypasses-tpm-system-requirements/
>> >
>> > A new script allows you to install Windows 11 on devices with
>> > incompatible hardware, such as missing TPM 2.0, incompatible CPUs, or
>> > the lack of Secure Boot. Even better, the script also works on virtual
>> > machines, allowing you to upgrade to the latest Windows Insider build.
>>
>> But there's a rumour that you won't get any Windows updates of any kind
>> if you do this.
>
>To me that's a selling point, given Microsoft's many bungled updates
>in the last couple of years.

Am I incorrect in thinking that if you can force a Win-11 install
onto an invalid device ["invalid" being classified by Microsoft] then
you could, at some later date, *re*-install it complete with any
updates that have been attached in the meantime?

J.

On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 23:19:52 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

>On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 at 10:02:36, Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote
>(my responses usually follow points raised):
>>On 9/30/2021 9:39 AM, Sailfish wrote:
>>
>>> Win7 continues to work wonderfully for me for my personal computing
>>> needs. If I find some software where I need to upgrade to use, I'll
>>> purchase a new machine for it but continue to use Win7 as my go-to machine.
>>
>>
>>
>>Windows 7 continues to work wonderfully for many people. There are
>
>Me one of them. (Well, it's pausing a lot; I suspect that's either yet
>another failing HD, or just I haven't rebooted for - probably two or
>three weeks.)

I haven't booted for 160 days and counting and my Win-7 box is
running like it is a tiny puppy overfilled with eagerness.

I'm running four Prime95's on it in the background in addition to
whatever load I am putting on it so I do find this quite remarkable
and a pleasant change from some Windosed versions.

>
<<snipped>>

>
>Those of us here, and similarly experienced, practice safe hex -
>probably even unconsciously. And - perhaps only after we've been burned
>once, or once too many times! - probably take backups, too.
>Those who are new to computing - or just not bright, at least at
>computing (some people aren't: they can be much better than us at
>baking, DIY, sheep-farming, or even things like management) - are likely
>to do stupid things, even if they're running the latest OS. Sure, there
>will be _some_ extra protection from the increased inherent resilience
>of the latest OS, but I suspect mostly outclassed by their tendency to
>do things like run attachments, click on links, and so on.
>[]
>>Not everyone needs to run the latest version of Windows, nor any any
>>other piece of software, just as not everyone needs to own the latest
>>version of the car he drives.
Well, lots of us don't own *any* version of a car because we *don't*
drive one.

I do know that it would have been convenient at times but the
benefits to me never outweighed the hassles or costs.

>>
>Lots of parallels: modern cars are indeed safer,

Vastly! Even modern buses, which tend to lack many of the safety
features built into private vehicles are much safer than the machines
of the 1920's and 1930's despite the more crowded roadways and
increased speeds. Railway trains and aeroplanes have similarly been
improved.

There are still improvements that could, were profits no issue,
easily be added to all vehicles but that's a risk management issue. We
accept a limited amount of carnage for the convenience of travelling
millions of metres at speeds no animal can match and in comfort.

Relative comfort.

> but on the whole older
>drivers are safer (as long as they keep an eye on ageing matters, such
>as eyesight deterioration).

Hmm, my eyesight has *improved* for years. I am sure this can not
continue indefinitely. :)

My reflexes are more and more often like thought-out reactions than
true reflex short-cuts as I age and grow wiser[1]. This may not be an
entirely good thing if piloting a ton of metal at super-human speeds
in an environment full of poor drivers. :)

J.

Notes:
[1] This is debatable though some would argue that from a starting
point of zero only an increase in wisdom would be possible.