I added TB to my start-up folder with the shortcut set to start
minimized. I have TB set to minimize to a tray icon. This works,
however, TB doesn't notify that there are new emails until it is
un-minimized for the first time (you may even need to click on a
folder). Is there a fix for this behavior? I was hoping that perhaps
there was a command-line switch like -minimized that may work correctly
but apparently not.

On 12/26/23 10:50 AM, Q wrote:
> I added TB to my start-up folder with the shortcut set to start minimized.  I have TB set to minimize to a tray icon.
> This works, however, TB doesn't notify that there are new emails until it is un-minimized for the first time (you may
> even need to click on a folder).  Is there a fix for this behavior?  I was hoping that perhaps there was a command-line
> switch like -minimized that may work correctly but apparently not.
There is an add-on 'minimize on start' that you might want to try.
Go ahead and put TB in the start up but don't set it there to minimize, but let the add-on do it.
--
Linux Mint 21.2 Cinnamon
Al

On 12/26/2023 12:17 PM, Big Al wrote:
> On 12/26/23 10:50 AM, Q wrote:
>> I added TB to my start-up folder with the shortcut set to start
>> minimized.  I have TB set to minimize to a tray icon. This works,
>> however, TB doesn't notify that there are new emails until it is
>> un-minimized for the first time (you may even need to click on a
>> folder).  Is there a fix for this behavior?  I was hoping that perhaps
>> there was a command-line switch like -minimized that may work
>> correctly but apparently not.
> There is an add-on 'minimize on start' that you might want to try.
> Go ahead and put TB in the start up but don't set it there to minimize,
> but let the add-on do it.

Interesting idea. Thank you. I also noticed another undesirable affect
if running minimized... when you shut down your computer, if you don't
open TB and close it properly, the next time it opens it won't remember
your previous window size and position.

On 12/27/2023 11:21 AM, Q wrote:
> On 12/26/2023 12:17 PM, Big Al wrote:
>> On 12/26/23 10:50 AM, Q wrote:
>>> I added TB to my start-up folder with the shortcut set to start
>>> minimized.  I have TB set to minimize to a tray icon. This works,
>>> however, TB doesn't notify that there are new emails until it is
>>> un-minimized for the first time (you may even need to click on a
>>> folder).  Is there a fix for this behavior?  I was hoping that
>>> perhaps there was a command-line switch like -minimized that may work
>>> correctly but apparently not.
>> There is an add-on 'minimize on start' that you might want to try.
>> Go ahead and put TB in the start up but don't set it there to
>> minimize, but let the add-on do it.
>
> Interesting idea.  Thank you.  I also noticed another undesirable affect
> if running minimized... when you shut down your computer, if you don't
> open TB and close it properly, the next time it opens it won't remember
> your previous window size and position.
If u have other programs to start at boot make a batch scheduled to run
at log in to start them and use free utility
<https://nircmd.nirsoft.net>/win.html> to minimize and position.

On 12/27/2023 11:41 AM, Zaidy036 wrote:
> On 12/27/2023 11:21 AM, Q wrote:
>> On 12/26/2023 12:17 PM, Big Al wrote:
>>> On 12/26/23 10:50 AM, Q wrote:
>>>> I added TB to my start-up folder with the shortcut set to start
>>>> minimized.  I have TB set to minimize to a tray icon. This works,
>>>> however, TB doesn't notify that there are new emails until it is
>>>> un-minimized for the first time (you may even need to click on a
>>>> folder).  Is there a fix for this behavior?  I was hoping that
>>>> perhaps there was a command-line switch like -minimized that may
>>>> work correctly but apparently not.
>>> There is an add-on 'minimize on start' that you might want to try.
>>> Go ahead and put TB in the start up but don't set it there to
>>> minimize, but let the add-on do it.
>>
>> Interesting idea.  Thank you.  I also noticed another undesirable
>> affect if running minimized... when you shut down your computer, if
>> you don't open TB and close it properly, the next time it opens it
>> won't remember your previous window size and position.
> If u have other programs to start at boot make a batch scheduled to run
> at log in to start them and use free utility
> <https://nircmd.nirsoft.net>/win.html> to minimize and position.
>
<https://nircmd.nirsoft.net/win.html>

On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 11:44:00 -0500, Zaidy036 wrote:
>
> On 12/27/2023 11:41 AM, Zaidy036 wrote:
> > If u have other programs to start at boot make a batch scheduled to run
> > at log in to start them and use free utility
> > <https://nircmd.nirsoft.net>/win.html> to minimize and position.
> >
> <https://nircmd.nirsoft.net/win.html>

I'm kind of confused about Nirsoft. There are individual executables
for a lot of commands, but then there's also a NirCmd.exe which seems
to contain multiple commands including "win". It's really hard to
find answers in the documentation. How does NirCmd relate to the
individual commands? (In the Zip file, NirCmd is only 45K, which
seems _awfully_ small for a program containing multiple utilities.)

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

On 12/28/2023 5:26 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 11:44:00 -0500, Zaidy036 wrote:
>>
>> On 12/27/2023 11:41 AM, Zaidy036 wrote:
>>> If u have other programs to start at boot make a batch scheduled to run
>>> at log in to start them and use free utility
>>> <https://nircmd.nirsoft.net>/win.html> to minimize and position.
>>>
>> <https://nircmd.nirsoft.net/win.html>
>
> I'm kind of confused about Nirsoft. There are individual executables
> for a lot of commands, but then there's also a NirCmd.exe which seems
> to contain multiple commands including "win". It's really hard to
> find answers in the documentation. How does NirCmd relate to the
> individual commands? (In the Zip file, NirCmd is only 45K, which
> seems _awfully_ small for a program containing multiple utilities.)
>
Nircmd runs similar to Window batch and its commands look like this:
START "" %Nircmd% %cmd% [parameters and switches]
replace %Nircmd% with nircmd.exe location, and,
%cmd% [parameters and switches] with the info shown on a commands page

NirSoft provides individual functions that are separate from NirCmd

On 12/28/2023 5:26 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 11:44:00 -0500, Zaidy036 wrote:
>>
>> On 12/27/2023 11:41 AM, Zaidy036 wrote:
>>> If u have other programs to start at boot make a batch scheduled to run
>>> at log in to start them and use free utility
>>> <https://nircmd.nirsoft.net>/win.html> to minimize and position.
>>>
>> <https://nircmd.nirsoft.net/win.html>
>
> I'm kind of confused about Nirsoft. There are individual executables
> for a lot of commands, but then there's also a NirCmd.exe which seems
> to contain multiple commands including "win". It's really hard to
> find answers in the documentation. How does NirCmd relate to the
> individual commands? (In the Zip file, NirCmd is only 45K, which
> seems _awfully_ small for a program containing multiple utilities.)
>

The syntax uses verbs.

https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/nircmd.html

When the author uses shorthand

win close title "calculator"

that is something like

nircmd.exe win close title "calculator"

"Win" is a verb related to manipulating program windows.

Just a guess.

Paul

On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 19:24:15 -0500, Paul wrote:
> On 12/28/2023 5:26 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
> > [quoted text muted]
> > find answers in the documentation. How does NirCmd relate to the
> > individual commands? (In the Zip file, NirCmd is only 45K, which
> > seems _awfully_ small for a program containing multiple utilities.)
> >
>
> The syntax uses verbs.
>
> https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/nircmd.html
>
> When the author uses shorthand
>
> win close title "calculator"
>
> that is something like
>
> nircmd.exe win close title "calculator"
>
> "Win" is a verb related to manipulating program windows.
>
> Just a guess.

Thanks, Paul, that's my guess too. But the documentation is such a
mess -- commands aren't in any order that I can figure out, much less
alphabetical, and I couldn't find a list of utilities that aren't in
NirCmd, or are both in NirCmd and standalone -- that I hoped to find
a shortcut to mastering this stuff.

I'd like to eliminate whichever separate utilities I can, because
every time I open my local Nirsoft folder Windows Defender gives me
the raspberry and I have to register another exception. (There
doesn't seem to be any way to do that before you get the raspberry,
and there doesn't seem to be a way to exempt a whole directory.)

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

On 12/30/2023 7:46 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 19:24:15 -0500, Paul wrote:
>> On 12/28/2023 5:26 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
>>> [quoted text muted]
>>> find answers in the documentation. How does NirCmd relate to the
>>> individual commands? (In the Zip file, NirCmd is only 45K, which
>>> seems _awfully_ small for a program containing multiple utilities.)
>>>
>>
>> The syntax uses verbs.
>>
>> https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/nircmd.html
>>
>> When the author uses shorthand
>>
>> win close title "calculator"
>>
>> that is something like
>>
>> nircmd.exe win close title "calculator"
>>
>> "Win" is a verb related to manipulating program windows.
>>
>> Just a guess.
>
> Thanks, Paul, that's my guess too. But the documentation is such a
> mess -- commands aren't in any order that I can figure out, much less
> alphabetical, and I couldn't find a list of utilities that aren't in
> NirCmd, or are both in NirCmd and standalone -- that I hoped to find
> a shortcut to mastering this stuff.
>
> I'd like to eliminate whichever separate utilities I can, because
> every time I open my local Nirsoft folder Windows Defender gives me
> the raspberry and I have to register another exception. (There
> doesn't seem to be any way to do that before you get the raspberry,
> and there doesn't seem to be a way to exempt a whole directory.)
>

I seem to remember setting a particular tree for not being scanned.
There is some way to set an exception. One place you might define such
a thing, is if you are using a folder full of EML in Thunderbird. One
poster claimed to be suffering a great slowdown due to this, and
things improved after the Thunderbird tree was excluded.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/add-an-exclusion-to-windows-security-811816c0-4dfd-af4a-47e4-c301afe13b26

[Picture] Yes, I have an exclusion

https://i.postimg.cc/cHSM53x5/Exclusions.gif

And Microsoft definitely has a hinky about Nir Sofer. As you've noticed.

It probably started with ProduKey. Which isn't really "Hackerware" as
claimed by Microsoft Defender.

Look, even an innocent 60 line program, in my C programming tree, got
"flagged as a Trojan" FFS. Does that mean I should be setting an
Exclusion there too ? Once you start doing this, there is no end to it!
It's one thing to do an Exclusion for performance reasons, quite
another to be chasing after idiot-false-positives like that.
Whack-a-mole.

Paul

On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 00:44:21 -0500, Paul wrote:
>
> On 12/30/2023 7:46 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
> > I'd like to eliminate whichever separate utilities I can, because
> > every time I open my local Nirsoft folder Windows Defender gives me
> > the raspberry and I have to register another exception. (There
> > doesn't seem to be any way to do that before you get the raspberry,
> > and there doesn't seem to be a way to exempt a whole directory.)
> >
>
> I seem to remember setting a particular tree for not being scanned.
> There is some way to set an exception. One place you might define such
> a thing, is if you are using a folder full of EML in Thunderbird. One
> poster claimed to be suffering a great slowdown due to this, and
> things improved after the Thunderbird tree was excluded.
>
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/add-an-exclusion-to-windows-security-811816c0-4dfd-af4a-47e4-c301afe13b26

Thanks fr that URL. It's valid for Windows 10 and 11,
and it shows that the path for creating exclusions is
different from your postimg, so I infer you're on
Windows 10. Still, the path on Windows 11 isn't _that_
obscure, and I don't know how I missed it.
> Look, even an innocent 60 line program, in my C programming tree, got
> "flagged as a Trojan" FFS. Does that mean I should be setting an
> Exclusion there too ? Once you start doing this, there is no end to it!
> It's one thing to do an Exclusion for performance reasons, quite
> another to be chasing after idiot-false-positives like that.
> Whack-a-mole.

Agreed, and that's why I was looking for a way to
exempt a whole directory.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA
https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

On 12/27/2023 11:44 AM, Zaidy036 wrote:
> On 12/27/2023 11:41 AM, Zaidy036 wrote:
>> On 12/27/2023 11:21 AM, Q wrote:
>>> On 12/26/2023 12:17 PM, Big Al wrote:
>>>> On 12/26/23 10:50 AM, Q wrote:
>>>>> I added TB to my start-up folder with the shortcut set to start
>>>>> minimized.  I have TB set to minimize to a tray icon. This works,
>>>>> however, TB doesn't notify that there are new emails until it is
>>>>> un-minimized for the first time (you may even need to click on a
>>>>> folder).  Is there a fix for this behavior?  I was hoping that
>>>>> perhaps there was a command-line switch like -minimized that may
>>>>> work correctly but apparently not.
>>>> There is an add-on 'minimize on start' that you might want to try.
>>>> Go ahead and put TB in the start up but don't set it there to
>>>> minimize, but let the add-on do it.
>>>
>>> Interesting idea.  Thank you.  I also noticed another undesirable
>>> affect if running minimized... when you shut down your computer, if
>>> you don't open TB and close it properly, the next time it opens it
>>> won't remember your previous window size and position.
>> If u have other programs to start at boot make a batch scheduled to
>> run at log in to start them and use free utility
>> <https://nircmd.nirsoft.net>/win.html> to minimize and position.
>>
> <https://nircmd.nirsoft.net/win.html>

Thanks for this info. I've forgot about this thread. I went back to
the Windows Mail app for now... until they sunset it. I don't want to
do these workarounds to get TB to function like the Mail app already
does. Thanks anyways.