Here we can almost but not quite prove that we are living in a computer simulation. During the coronavirus pandemic, do you sometimes get up in the middle of the night and watch a pre-pandemic movie? V.T.Y. Mentifex does. Very Truly Yours just today turned his computer on and went channel-surfing through the movies to waste away the minutes that Windows XP Home Edition takes to get up and running, ready to peruse the alt.folklore.computers newsgroup on Usenet.

Years ago, Mentifex (ATM) read a book by Gordon Prange about Richard Sorge, the German spying for the Russians in Japan during World War Two. Then ATM read an even better book by Gordon Prange about the 1942 Battle of Midway, in which the American Navy with only three aircraft carriers was up against the Japanese navy with ten aircraft carriers. Soon VTY ATM discovered an old movie called "Midway" starring Hal Holbrook and Peter Fonda and Robet Mitchum and many others. ATM would watch the old "Midway" over and over again until he knew it by heart. It even had a young Tom Selleck in it.

Then in 2019 -- shades of Beau Geste -- they made a re-make of "Midway" with many up-and-coming new actors. So now Yours Truly had to decide which "Midway" he liked better, the old one or the new one. The 2019 new "Midway" starts earlier in history and goes more into the air-raid by Jimmy Doolittle on Tokyo. In a memorable scene, gun-toting Chinese farmers are itching to kill Doolittle for his preposterous claim that he has just parachuted out of an American bomber. They don't believe him, until a Chinese family comes out of hiding with Doolittle's parachute. Awe-struck, they reach a welcoming hand out to Jimmy Doolittle and they say, "You bombed Japan???!!!" It was like if present-day Social Justice Warriors were to say to an a.f.c. reader, "You bombed Mar-a-Lago?"

By the dawn's early light we report to you now that a movie being offered at 4:00 a.m. today had a fetching face on the thumbnail graphic accompanying the 2002 movie called "A Walk to Remember." Gee, he thought to himself, her face is just as fetching as those other TV movie stars yclept Shannon Doherty and Christina Ricci. Let's click the remote control on Mandy Moore and look into her obviously not very serious history -- since (we think) we have never seen her before.

The first row of her appearances is a bunch of music videos, so she must be more of a vocalist that a serious movie star. But we have never heard of all these songs and musicals. But wot-the-heck we click the down-button and we see what other movies Mandy Moore has appeared in. Major bombshell, computer folklore fans and movie fans:: "Ann Best, Midway(!!!)." Sturm und Drang, Shock and Awe. Suddenly in the mind of mindmaker Mentifex, a scene from 1942 Hawaii starts playing. The legendary, eponymous U.S. Navy war hero -- all genuflect == Wade McClusky is sitting in the Officers' Club and asks Mandy Moore playing Ann Best, "How long have you been married?"

"Long enough to know that he deserves to be leading his own
squadron," the hot-tempered Navy wife played by Mandy Moore retorts to the historic figure Wade McClusky. As the re-make movie goes on, Dick Best and Wade McClusky and the other U.S. Navy pilots turn the tide of World War Two by sinking all four of the Japanese aircraft carriers threatening the island of Midway. In his Steve Jobsian Reality Distortion Field, Mentifex (ATM) starts thinking that he will go on a.f.c. and post "A Tale of Two Movies." DIS ALITER VISUM.

As the 2002 movie "A Walk to Remember" continues with really short commercial breaks, one commercial slaps Mentifex in the face with a loud voice that goes, "This... is a tale of two kitties," followed by something like a comparison of two catfoods or two kitty-litters. Mentifes thinks, the omnipresent computer simulation is mocking me. A few scenes later, the preacher father of Mandy Moore says from the pulpit, "God is not mocked." During another commercial, Mentifex channel-surfs and sees that another channel is offering "A Tale of Two Cities."

So which do you like better, "Sabrina" with Humphrey Bogart or "Sabrina" with Harrison Ford? "Lara-Croft: Tomb Raider" with Angelina Jolie or "Lara-Croft: Tomb Raider" with Alicia Vikander? Any way you look at it, you lose, Bob, because you are immersed in a computer simulation -- menetekel menetekel -- and you will be judged accordingly.

http://ai.neocities.org/Concursus.html -- Concursus Omnium Bonorum

On Tue, 25 May 2021 07:20:50 -0700 (PDT), A.T. Murray wrote:
>
> Years ago, Mentifex (ATM) read a book by Gordon Prange about Richard
> Sorge, the German spying for the Russians in Japan during World War
> Two. Then ATM read an even better book by Gordon Prange about the 1942
> Battle of Midway, in which the American Navy with only three aircraft
> carriers was up against the Japanese navy with ten aircraft
> carriers.

Although the Japanese possessed ten carriers at the start of the war, only
four of these were engaged against three American carriers in the Battle
Of Midway.

US lost one and the Japanese three. That, and the Battle Of The Coral Sea,
was the turning point of the war in the Pacific.

Or the story in the book takes place in an alternative timeline/universe?
--
Andreas

PGP fingerprint 952B0A9F12C2FD6C9F7E68DAA9C2EA89D1A370E0

On 5/25/2021 2:48 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Tue, 25 May 2021 07:20:50 -0700 (PDT), A.T. Murray wrote:
>> Years ago, Mentifex (ATM) read a book by Gordon Prange about Richard
>> Sorge, the German spying for the Russians in Japan during World War
>> Two. Then ATM read an even better book by Gordon Prange about the 1942
>> Battle of Midway, in which the American Navy with only three aircraft
>> carriers was up against the Japanese navy with ten aircraft
>> carriers.
> Although the Japanese possessed ten carriers at the start of the war, only
> four of these were engaged against three American carriers in the Battle
> Of Midway.
>
> US lost one and the Japanese three. That, and the Battle Of The Coral Sea,
> was the turning point of the war in the Pacific.
>
> Or the story in the book takes place in an alternative timeline/universe?

I believe the Japanese Imperial Navy lost four carriers at Midway.

Louis

On Thu, 27 May 2021 01:38:05 -0600, Louis Krupp wrote:
>
> On 5/25/2021 2:48 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 May 2021 07:20:50 -0700 (PDT), A.T. Murray wrote:
>>> Years ago, Mentifex (ATM) read a book by Gordon Prange about Richard
>>> Sorge, the German spying for the Russians in Japan during World War
>>> Two. Then ATM read an even better book by Gordon Prange about the 1942
>>> Battle of Midway, in which the American Navy with only three aircraft
>>> carriers was up against the Japanese navy with ten aircraft
>>> carriers.
>> Although the Japanese possessed ten carriers at the start of the war, only
>> four of these were engaged against three American carriers in the Battle
>> Of Midway.
>>
>> US lost one and the Japanese three. That, and the Battle Of The Coral Sea,
>> was the turning point of the war in the Pacific.
>>
>> Or the story in the book takes place in an alternative timeline/universe?
>
> I believe the Japanese Imperial Navy lost four carriers at Midway.

After further reading, that appears to be correct. Akagi, Kaga, Sōryū and
Hiryū were sank.
--
Andreas

PGP fingerprint 952B0A9F12C2FD6C9F7E68DAA9C2EA89D1A370E0

Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 27 May 2021 01:38:05 -0600, Louis Krupp wrote:
>>
>> On 5/25/2021 2:48 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>> On Tue, 25 May 2021 07:20:50 -0700 (PDT), A.T. Murray wrote:
>>>> Years ago, Mentifex (ATM) read a book by Gordon Prange about Richard
>>>> Sorge, the German spying for the Russians in Japan during World War
>>>> Two. Then ATM read an even better book by Gordon Prange about the 1942
>>>> Battle of Midway, in which the American Navy with only three aircraft
>>>> carriers was up against the Japanese navy with ten aircraft
>>>> carriers.
>>> Although the Japanese possessed ten carriers at the start of the war, only
>>> four of these were engaged against three American carriers in the Battle
>>> Of Midway.
>>>
>>> US lost one and the Japanese three. That, and the Battle Of The Coral Sea,
>>> was the turning point of the war in the Pacific.
>>>
>>> Or the story in the book takes place in an alternative timeline/universe?
>>
>> I believe the Japanese Imperial Navy lost four carriers at Midway.
>
> After further reading, that appears to be correct. Akagi, Kaga, Sōryū and
> Hiryū were sank.

The scary thing is, this could have easily gone the other way.

--
Pete

On Thu, 27 May 2021 13:05:00 -0700, Peter Flass
<peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 May 2021 01:38:05 -0600, Louis Krupp wrote:
>>>
>>> On 5/25/2021 2:48 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 25 May 2021 07:20:50 -0700 (PDT), A.T. Murray wrote:
>>>>> Years ago, Mentifex (ATM) read a book by Gordon Prange about Richard
>>>>> Sorge, the German spying for the Russians in Japan during World War
>>>>> Two. Then ATM read an even better book by Gordon Prange about the 1942
>>>>> Battle of Midway, in which the American Navy with only three aircraft
>>>>> carriers was up against the Japanese navy with ten aircraft
>>>>> carriers.
>>>> Although the Japanese possessed ten carriers at the start of the war, only
>>>> four of these were engaged against three American carriers in the Battle
>>>> Of Midway.
>>>>
>>>> US lost one and the Japanese three. That, and the Battle Of The Coral Sea,
>>>> was the turning point of the war in the Pacific.
>>>>
>>>> Or the story in the book takes place in an alternative timeline/universe?
>>>
>>> I believe the Japanese Imperial Navy lost four carriers at Midway.
>>
>> After further reading, that appears to be correct. Akagi, Kaga, S?ry? and
>> Hiry? were sank.
>
>The scary thing is, this could have easily gone the other way.

There was a significant element of luck in that battle--the US
spotting the Japanese first was a major element. However the US
knowing when they were coming and roughly what their plans were and
the approximate composition of their force also made a significant
difference. As did an accident of timing, and an attack that was
wonderfully coordinated pretty much by accident.

On Thu, 27 May 2021 13:05:00 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
>
> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 May 2021 01:38:05 -0600, Louis Krupp wrote:
>>>
>>> On 5/25/2021 2:48 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>
>>>> Although the Japanese possessed ten carriers at the start of the war, only
>>>> four of these were engaged against three American carriers in the Battle
>>>> Of Midway.
>>>>
>>>> US lost one and the Japanese three. That, and the Battle Of The Coral Sea,
>>>> was the turning point of the war in the Pacific.
>>>>
>>>> Or the story in the book takes place in an alternative timeline/universe?
>>>
>>> I believe the Japanese Imperial Navy lost four carriers at Midway.
>>
>> After further reading, that appears to be correct. Akagi, Kaga, Sōryū and
>> Hiryū were sank.
>
> The scary thing is, this could have easily gone the other way.

US intelligence and a gut feeling of a senior officer saved the day (and
thus the war).
--
Andreas

On 2021-05-25, A.T. Murray <mentificium@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here we can almost but not quite prove that we are living in a computer simulation. During the coronavirus pandemic, do you sometimes get up in the middle of the night and watch a pre-pandemic movie? V.T.Y. Mentifex does. Very Truly Yours just today turned his computer on and went channel-surfing through the movies to waste away the minutes that Windows XP Home Edition takes to get up and running, ready to peruse the alt.folklore.computers newsgroup on Usenet.
>
> Years ago, Mentifex (ATM) read a book by Gordon Prange about Richard Sorge, the German spying for the Russians in Japan during World War Two. Then ATM read an even better book by Gordon Prange about the 1942 Battle of Midway, in which the American Navy with only three aircraft carriers was up against the Japanese navy with ten aircraft carriers. Soon VTY ATM discovered an old movie called "Midway" starring Hal Holbrook and Peter Fonda and Robet Mitchum and many others. ATM would watch the old "Midway" over and over again until he knew it by heart. It even had a young Tom Selleck in it.
>
> Then in 2019 -- shades of Beau Geste -- they made a re-make of "Midway" with many up-and-coming new actors. So now Yours Truly had to decide which "Midway" he liked better, the old one or the new one. The 2019 new "Midway" starts earlier in history and goes more into the air-raid by Jimmy Doolittle on Tokyo. In a memorable scene, gun-toting Chinese farmers are itching to kill Doolittle for his preposterous claim that he has just parachuted out of an American bomber. They don't believe him, until a Chinese family comes out of hiding with Doolittle's parachute. Awe-struck, they reach a welcoming hand out to Jimmy Doolittle and they say, "You bombed Japan???!!!" It was like if present-day Social Justice Warriors were to say to an a.f.c. reader, "You bombed Mar-a-Lago?"
>
> By the dawn's early light we report to you now that a movie being offered at 4:00 a.m. today had a fetching face on the thumbnail graphic accompanying the 2002 movie called "A Walk to Remember." Gee, he thought to himself, her face is just as fetching as those other TV movie stars yclept Shannon Doherty and Christina Ricci. Let's click the remote control on Mandy Moore and look into her obviously not very serious history -- since (we think) we have never seen her before.
>
> The first row of her appearances is a bunch of music videos, so she must be more of a vocalist that a serious movie star. But we have never heard of all these songs and musicals. But wot-the-heck we click the down-button and we see what other movies Mandy Moore has appeared in. Major bombshell, computer folklore fans and movie fans:: "Ann Best, Midway(!!!)." Sturm und Drang, Shock and Awe. Suddenly in the mind of mindmaker Mentifex, a scene from 1942 Hawaii starts playing. The legendary, eponymous U.S. Navy war hero -- all genuflect == Wade McClusky is sitting in the Officers' Club and asks Mandy Moore playing Ann Best, "How long have you been married?"
>
> "Long enough to know that he deserves to be leading his own
> squadron," the hot-tempered Navy wife played by Mandy Moore retorts to the historic figure Wade McClusky. As the re-make movie goes on, Dick Best and Wade McClusky and the other U.S. Navy pilots turn the tide of World War Two by sinking all four of the Japanese aircraft carriers threatening the island of Midway. In his Steve Jobsian Reality Distortion Field, Mentifex (ATM) starts thinking that he will go on a.f.c. and post "A Tale of Two Movies." DIS ALITER VISUM.
>
> As the 2002 movie "A Walk to Remember" continues with really short commercial breaks, one commercial slaps Mentifex in the face with a loud voice that goes, "This... is a tale of two kitties," followed by something like a comparison of two catfoods or two kitty-litters. Mentifes thinks, the omnipresent computer simulation is mocking me. A few scenes later, the preacher father of Mandy Moore says from the pulpit, "God is not mocked." During another commercial, Mentifex channel-surfs and sees that another channel is offering "A Tale of Two Cities."
>
> So which do you like better, "Sabrina" with Humphrey Bogart or "Sabrina" with Harrison Ford? "Lara-Croft: Tomb Raider" with Angelina Jolie or "Lara-Croft: Tomb Raider" with Alicia Vikander? Any way you look at it, you lose, Bob, because you are immersed in a computer simulation -- menetekel menetekel -- and you will be judged accordingly.
>
> http://ai.neocities.org/Concursus.html -- Concursus Omnium Bonorum

A short aside, the Chinese farmers that got the doolittle air men to
freedom were rounded up later by the japanese army, and any that had
the tokens given by the americans were shot.

Yes, Midway was unexpected turn in the war, and displaying that crypto
breaking was the key to victory . Some day we may know the true story.

There is a video on youtube about the British Colossus, well worth
viewing. I must review it, but from seeing it once, I think that the
lecturer says that there are still secrets about crypto in WWII to be
revealed.

On 29/05/2021 09:11, greymaus wrote:
> ... I think that the
> lecturer says that there are still secrets about crypto in WWII to be
> revealed.
>

Perhaps our exposure to computers and cryptography is such that we
can equal or surpass whatever was done in WWII and do so
from within our own homes?

I wonder whether there is a concerted effort by TPTB, both
Yank and Brit, to keep the minds of hoi polloi focussed around
Enigma machines and Morse Code to discourage them from making
mental leaps into what may even be trivial crypto developments.

On 2021-05-29, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 29/05/2021 09:11, greymaus wrote:
>> ... I think that the
>> lecturer says that there are still secrets about crypto in WWII to be
>> revealed.
>>
>
> Perhaps our exposure to computers and cryptography is such that we
> can equal or surpass whatever was done in WWII and do so
> from within our own homes?
>
> I wonder whether there is a concerted effort by TPTB, both
> Yank and Brit, to keep the minds of hoi polloi focussed around
> Enigma machines and Morse Code to discourage them from making
> mental leaps into what may even be trivial crypto developments.
>

I heard/read once of British people who married during the war, and
emigrated to the US. they had friends over, the husband was recalling
his time in Blet*, on which his wife revealed that she had worked there
too, but in a different area They had never talked to each other before
about that, in fear of the British Officials Act.

greymausg@mail.com
A mousehole to infinity

On Sat, 29 May 2021 14:52:14 +0000, greymaus wrote:

> On 2021-05-29, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 29/05/2021 09:11, greymaus wrote:
>>> ... I think that the lecturer says that there are still secrets about
>>> crypto in WWII to be revealed.
>>>
>>>
>> Perhaps our exposure to computers and cryptography is such that we can
>> equal or surpass whatever was done in WWII and do so from within our
>> own homes?
>>
>> I wonder whether there is a concerted effort by TPTB, both Yank and
>> Brit, to keep the minds of hoi polloi focussed around Enigma machines
>> and Morse Code to discourage them from making mental leaps into what
>> may even be trivial crypto developments.
>>
>>
> I heard/read once of British people who married during the war, and
> emigrated to the US. they had friends over, the husband was recalling
> his time in Blet*, on which his wife revealed that she had worked there
> too, but in a different area They had never talked to each other before
> about that, in fear of the British Officials Act.

I heard this from one of the guides at Bletchley Park (I used to visit
quite a bit until they went all corporate).

She mentioned a couple who came into Hut 11, where the Bombe (a kind of
motorised multiple Enigma machine) was housed; this was a working
replica. The attendant was demonstrating how it was set up.

The lady in the couple burst out "That's not how it was done", and it
transpired that this had been her job during the war. Her husband was
qute shocked.

Afterwards, they were chatting with the attendant, and the husband said
to his wife "You never told me you worked here", to which her reply was
"It was a secret!" (they'd been told to keep quiet indefinitely because
the crypto stuff was still under wraps).

He then confessed "I worked here too..."

--
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

On 29/05/2021 20:51, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Sat, 29 May 2021 14:52:14 +0000, greymaus wrote:
>
>> On 2021-05-29, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On 29/05/2021 09:11, greymaus wrote:
>>>> ... I think that the lecturer says that there are still secrets about
>>>> crypto in WWII to be revealed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Perhaps our exposure to computers and cryptography is such that we can
>>> equal or surpass whatever was done in WWII and do so from within our
>>> own homes?
>>>
>>> I wonder whether there is a concerted effort by TPTB, both Yank and
>>> Brit, to keep the minds of hoi polloi focussed around Enigma machines
>>> and Morse Code to discourage them from making mental leaps into what
>>> may even be trivial crypto developments.
>>>
>>>
>> I heard/read once of British people who married during the war, and
>> emigrated to the US. they had friends over, the husband was recalling
>> his time in Blet*, on which his wife revealed that she had worked there
>> too, but in a different area They had never talked to each other before
>> about that, in fear of the British Officials Act.
>
> I heard this from one of the guides at Bletchley Park (I used to visit
> quite a bit until they went all corporate).
>
> She mentioned a couple who came into Hut 11, where the Bombe (a kind of
> motorised multiple Enigma machine) was housed; this was a working
> replica. The attendant was demonstrating how it was set up.
>
> The lady in the couple burst out "That's not how it was done", and it
> transpired that this had been her job during the war. Her husband was
> qute shocked.
>
> Afterwards, they were chatting with the attendant, and the husband said
> to his wife "You never told me you worked here", to which her reply was
> "It was a secret!" (they'd been told to keep quiet indefinitely because
> the crypto stuff was still under wraps).
>
> He then confessed "I worked here too..."

Dr Giles (Really Miles!) Parkes, RIP, of the SMEE was a retired GP but
the national gear cutting expert (I once did an Excel spreadsheet,
Hobnail, for him to calculate change gears for hobbing of helical gears)
and the SMEE had been approached to produce the gears to go into
that Bombe replica, but Giles had problems with them meshing
properly despite following the original plans and they were very noisy
in operation.

Anyway, being at Bletchley for the commissioning of the Bombe, a lady
who had been there in WWII commented that she remembered that very noise,
so perhaps there had been errors in the original plans all those
years ago!

On 5/29/2021 9:52 AM, greymaus wrote:
> On 2021-05-29, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 29/05/2021 09:11, greymaus wrote:
>>> ... I think that the
>>> lecturer says that there are still secrets about crypto in WWII to be
>>> revealed.
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps our exposure to computers and cryptography is such that we
>> can equal or surpass whatever was done in WWII and do so
>> from within our own homes?
>>
>> I wonder whether there is a concerted effort by TPTB, both
>> Yank and Brit, to keep the minds of hoi polloi focussed around
>> Enigma machines and Morse Code to discourage them from making
>> mental leaps into what may even be trivial crypto developments.
>>
>
> I heard/read once of British people who married during the war, and
> emigrated to the US. they had friends over, the husband was recalling
> his time in Blet*, on which his wife revealed that she had worked there
> too, but in a different area They had never talked to each other before
> about that, in fear of the British Officials Act.
>
> greymausg@mail.com
> A mousehole to infinity
>

I know several people,I may or may not have been one of them, who had to
sign the US official Secrets Act paperwork upon discharge last century.
While they did so, they were informed that they weren't to acknowledge
signing such a document... and the Act didn't exist. One of them, asked
politely what were they signing then ? They were informed that wasn't
funny... A higher ranking officer than the grouchy one, pointed out it
did exist and they should sign. Apparently the questioner had looked
down at the bottom most line of the document and had noticed the
'officialese' there. And signed it.

--
Jim

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 11:39:43 -0500, Jim <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/29/2021 9:52 AM, greymaus wrote:
>> On 2021-05-29, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On 29/05/2021 09:11, greymaus wrote:
>>>> ... I think that the
>>>> lecturer says that there are still secrets about crypto in WWII to be
>>>> revealed.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps our exposure to computers and cryptography is such that we
>>> can equal or surpass whatever was done in WWII and do so
>>> from within our own homes?
>>>
>>> I wonder whether there is a concerted effort by TPTB, both
>>> Yank and Brit, to keep the minds of hoi polloi focussed around
>>> Enigma machines and Morse Code to discourage them from making
>>> mental leaps into what may even be trivial crypto developments.
>>>
>>
>> I heard/read once of British people who married during the war, and
>> emigrated to the US. they had friends over, the husband was recalling
>> his time in Blet*, on which his wife revealed that she had worked there
>> too, but in a different area They had never talked to each other before
>> about that, in fear of the British Officials Act.
>>
>> greymausg@mail.com
>> A mousehole to infinity
>>
>
>I know several people,I may or may not have been one of them, who had to
>sign the US official Secrets Act paperwork upon discharge last century.
>While they did so, they were informed that they weren't to acknowledge
>signing such a document... and the Act didn't exist. One of them, asked
>politely what were they signing then ? They were informed that wasn't
>funny... A higher ranking officer than the grouchy one, pointed out it
>did exist and they should sign. Apparently the questioner had looked
>down at the bottom most line of the document and had noticed the
>'officialese' there. And signed it.

My response to such a demand would likely been to call my lawyer, and
if they raised a fuss about that called the New York Times.

However if there is no statute supporting it and its existence can't
be divulged good luck enforcing it.

On 2021-06-02, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 11:39:43 -0500, Jim <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 5/29/2021 9:52 AM, greymaus wrote:
>>> On 2021-05-29, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On 29/05/2021 09:11, greymaus wrote:
>>>>> ... I think that the
>>>>> lecturer says that there are still secrets about crypto in WWII to be
>>>>> revealed.
>>>>>
>>>>
>
> My response to such a demand would likely been to call my lawyer, and
> if they raised a fuss about that called the New York Times.
>
> However if there is no statute supporting it and its existence can't
> be divulged good luck enforcing it.

Its way beyond being funny. Sign the damn thing and move on. This is
beyond lawyers.

There was an idiot Irishman a few years ago who was detained because
made a humerous answer to such a question.. A few days in the slammer
cooled him down.

greymausg@mail.com

On 3 Jun 2021 19:22:04 GMT, greymaus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:

>On 2021-06-02, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 11:39:43 -0500, Jim <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 5/29/2021 9:52 AM, greymaus wrote:
>>>> On 2021-05-29, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 29/05/2021 09:11, greymaus wrote:
>>>>>> ... I think that the
>>>>>> lecturer says that there are still secrets about crypto in WWII to be
>>>>>> revealed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>> My response to such a demand would likely been to call my lawyer, and
>> if they raised a fuss about that called the New York Times.
>>
>> However if there is no statute supporting it and its existence can't
>> be divulged good luck enforcing it.
>
>Its way beyond being funny. Sign the damn thing and move on. This is
>beyond lawyers.
>
>There was an idiot Irishman a few years ago who was detained because
>made a humerous answer to such a question.. A few days in the slammer
>cooled him down.
>
>greymausg@mail.com

That's Ireland. You're talking about something that allegedly
happened in the US and in the US _nothing_ is "beyond lawyers" and
some of us actually believe in and stand up for something called the
"Constitution" which is above, among other things, paranoid spooks.

>>
>>greymausg@mail.com
>
> That's Ireland. You're talking about something that allegedly
> happened in the US and in the US _nothing_ is "beyond lawyers" and
> some of us actually believe in and stand up for something called the
> "Constitution" which is above, among other things, paranoid spooks.

I don't think I will ever get back to the States. Last time, I stood in
line coming out and wondered at the security, in the days of plastic
knives and guns, and wondered at the bull*.

J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3 Jun 2021 19:22:04 GMT, greymaus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-06-02, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 11:39:43 -0500, Jim <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/29/2021 9:52 AM, greymaus wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-05-29, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 29/05/2021 09:11, greymaus wrote:
>>>>>>> ... I think that the
>>>>>>> lecturer says that there are still secrets about crypto in WWII to be
>>>>>>> revealed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>> My response to such a demand would likely been to call my lawyer, and
>>> if they raised a fuss about that called the New York Times.
>>>
>>> However if there is no statute supporting it and its existence can't
>>> be divulged good luck enforcing it.
>>
>> Its way beyond being funny. Sign the damn thing and move on. This is
>> beyond lawyers.
>>
>> There was an idiot Irishman a few years ago who was detained because
>> made a humerous answer to such a question.. A few days in the slammer
>> cooled him down.
>>
>> greymausg@mail.com
>
> That's Ireland. You're talking about something that allegedly
> happened in the US and in the US _nothing_ is "beyond lawyers" and
> some of us actually believe in and stand up for something called the
> "Constitution" which is above, among other things, paranoid spooks.
>

Unless the individual simply “disappears”, which has happened.

--
Pete

On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 06:23:36 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 3 Jun 2021 19:22:04 GMT, greymaus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-06-02, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 11:39:43 -0500, Jim <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/29/2021 9:52 AM, greymaus wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-05-29, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 29/05/2021 09:11, greymaus wrote:
>>>>>>>> ... I think that the
>>>>>>>> lecturer says that there are still secrets about crypto in WWII to be
>>>>>>>> revealed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My response to such a demand would likely been to call my lawyer, and
>>>> if they raised a fuss about that called the New York Times.
>>>>
>>>> However if there is no statute supporting it and its existence can't
>>>> be divulged good luck enforcing it.
>>>
>>> Its way beyond being funny. Sign the damn thing and move on. This is
>>> beyond lawyers.
>>>
>>> There was an idiot Irishman a few years ago who was detained because
>>> made a humerous answer to such a question.. A few days in the slammer
>>> cooled him down.
>>>
>>> greymausg@mail.com
>>
>> That's Ireland. You're talking about something that allegedly
>> happened in the US and in the US _nothing_ is "beyond lawyers" and
>> some of us actually believe in and stand up for something called the
>> "Constitution" which is above, among other things, paranoid spooks.
>>
>
>Unless the individual simply “disappears”, which has happened.

If their intent is to "disappear" someone there is no need for that
person to sign a form that is so secret that it cannot be used as
evidence in a court of law.

J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 06:23:36 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 3 Jun 2021 19:22:04 GMT, greymaus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-06-02, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 11:39:43 -0500, Jim <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/29/2021 9:52 AM, greymaus wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021-05-29, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 29/05/2021 09:11, greymaus wrote:
>>>>>>>>> ... I think that the
>>>>>>>>> lecturer says that there are still secrets about crypto in WWII to be
>>>>>>>>> revealed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My response to such a demand would likely been to call my lawyer, and
>>>>> if they raised a fuss about that called the New York Times.
>>>>>
>>>>> However if there is no statute supporting it and its existence can't
>>>>> be divulged good luck enforcing it.
>>>>
>>>> Its way beyond being funny. Sign the damn thing and move on. This is
>>>> beyond lawyers.
>>>>
>>>> There was an idiot Irishman a few years ago who was detained because
>>>> made a humerous answer to such a question.. A few days in the slammer
>>>> cooled him down.
>>>>
>>>> greymausg@mail.com
>>>
>>> That's Ireland. You're talking about something that allegedly
>>> happened in the US and in the US _nothing_ is "beyond lawyers" and
>>> some of us actually believe in and stand up for something called the
>>> "Constitution" which is above, among other things, paranoid spooks.
>>>
>>
>> Unless the individual simply “disappears”, which has happened.
>
> If their intent is to "disappear" someone there is no need for that
> person to sign a form that is so secret that it cannot be used as
> evidence in a court of law.
>

Maybe that wasn’t THEIR intention.

--
Pete

greymaus <maus@dmaus.org> writes:

>I heard/read once of British people who married during the war, and
>emigrated to the US. they had friends over, the husband was recalling
>his time in Blet*, on which his wife revealed that she had worked there
>too, but in a different area They had never talked to each other before
>about that, in fear of the British Officials Act.

After F. W. Winterbotham's book and the lid came off [late
60's], there was a party at Whitehall. Denniston was there.

A MP was introduced to him, and he in turn introduced his spouse
"Lady xxx"...

She responded "I doubt you remember me, Sir, but I worked for
you in Hut 3."

Her husband blurted out "So THAT's what you did during the War..."

{In the UK, a MP == Member of Parliament}

Proud to have actually met Tony Sales...
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& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

On 2021-06-07, David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote:
> greymaus <maus@dmaus.org> writes:
>
>
>
> She responded "I doubt you remember me, Sir, but I worked for
> you in Hut 3."
>
> Her husband blurted out "So THAT's what you did during the War..."
>
>
> {In the UK, a MP == Member of Parliament}
>
> Proud to have actually met Tony Sales...

I read somewhere that girls/women were recruited for that job if they
had refined accents. There was something about that vicar's wives were
recruited for making one-pad pages for that sort of encryp* , picking
bingo-style balls out of a container.

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Down the wrong mousehole.

On Tue, 08 Jun 2021 10:35:13 +0000, greymaus wrote:

> I read somewhere that girls/women were recruited for that job if they
> had refined accents. There was something about that vicar's wives were
> recruited for making one-pad pages for that sort of encryp* , picking
> bingo-style balls out of a container.

I still use casino dice for generating random passwords.

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http://www.mirrorservice.org

On 8 Jun 2021 10:35:13 GMT, greymaus wrote:
>
> I read somewhere that girls/women were recruited for that job [...]

Watching some older Youtube videos about WWII and later industrial work,
"women" were often called "girls", no matter what age.

Political incorrect today.
--
Andreas

On 08/06/2021 in message <87a6o09xl0.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> Andreas
Kohlbach wrote:

>On 8 Jun 2021 10:35:13 GMT, greymaus wrote:
>>
>>I read somewhere that girls/women were recruited for that job [...]
>
>Watching some older Youtube videos about WWII and later industrial work,
>"women" were often called "girls", no matter what age.
>
>Political incorrect today.

It was standard up to the end of the century in many cases, in our family
we had boys and girls, that covered grandparents right through to great
grandchildren.

--
Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK
I've been through the desert on a horse with no name.
It was a right bugger to get him back when he ran off.