In article <5af855c8c5news@rjdarby.co.uk>,
Richard Darby (news) <news@rjdarby.co.uk> wrote:

> If you look at your working Global Rule file with an editor that
> shows tabs you will see there are two tabs between the first field
> and the second, and single tabs after that.

> Hope that Helps

I wish it did but unfortunately ...

In EVERY case example of these lines both in
!NewsHound.Docs.ExampleRule
and in
!NewsHound.Config.GlobalRule

The pattern is
Group[tab][tab]subject[tab[tab]From[tab][tab]Bytes[tab]Lines[tab]amount[tab]

Not that the first 3 tab separators are double and after that they
are single. I don't understand why but that is what the examples I
have clearly show.

The suggestions from people here do not conform to that rule.

Is the rule wrong, in which case why do all the examples in my
Newshound show that?

Cheers,

Bob.

In article <d48756f85a%klp@klp.plus.net>,
Keith Pascall <klp@klpascall.plus.com> wrote:

> It is tricky to get it set up, if I have typed it right the kill
> lines should be:-

I just don't understand why.

> *[tab][tab]*[tab]=?UTF-*[tab]*[tab]*[tab]*[tab]*[tab]*[tab]none
> *[tab][tab]=?UTF-*[tab]*[tab]*[tab]*[tab]*[tab]*[tab]*[tab]none

But in the documents folder of !NewsHound is "ExampleRule" file.

In every case in that file the first 3 tab separators are double
tabs, every example even in the explanation further up that document.

> One line works with header 'From' the other with 'Subject'.

Yes, I get that's your intention and indeed it may be correct but it
makes zero sense to me.

> The asterisk after the characters is to allow more characters to be
> in the actual line.

No problem with that wildcards.

> So far it works for me (using Plusnet provider).

I'm pleased for you but I just don't understand why, it does not
match the model in the example file.

Cheers,

Bob.

Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> I'm pleased for you but I just don't understand why, it does not
> match the model in the example file.

According to the source code:
https://sourceforge.net/p/riscosnet/newshound/ci/master/tree/!NewsHound/c/rulefile
specifically GET_NEXT() and nntp_skip()

it looks like it accepts arbitrary amounts of whitespace between fields,
where whitespace is tabs and spaces. So you can have as many tabs as you
like.

_But_ tabs are special. If you had a line like:

*<tab> free money<tab>*<tab> *<tab><tab>*<tab>*

It won't break the 'free money' into two separate fields 'free' and 'money'.
It appears to look for a tab, then eat all the tabs and spaces after it.
Once it finds a non-whitespace character it takes everything until the next
tab as a single field.

So it appears the gaps have to _start_ with a tab, but any number of tabs
and spaces can follow that tab without disturbing the interpretation.

Theo

In article <sYs*qlFtz@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> > I'm pleased for you but I just don't understand why, it does not
> > match the model in the example file.

> According to the source code:
> https://sourceforge.net/p/riscosnet/newshound/ci/master/tree/!NewsHound/c/rulefile
> specifically GET_NEXT() and nntp_skip()

> it looks like it accepts arbitrary amounts of whitespace between
> fields, where whitespace is tabs and spaces. So you can have as
> many tabs as you like.

> _But_ tabs are special. If you had a line like:

> *<tab> free money<tab>*<tab> *<tab><tab>*<tab>*

> It won't break the 'free money' into two separate fields 'free' and
> 'money'. It appears to look for a tab, then eat all the tabs and
> spaces after it. Once it finds a non-whitespace character it takes
> everything until the next tab as a single field.

> So it appears the gaps have to _start_ with a tab, but any number
> of tabs and spaces can follow that tab without disturbing the
> interpretation.

Thank you Theo. I'm pretty sure you're correct but then it's hard to
understand what all the double tabs are for in the supplied examples.
Just obfuscation?

Bob.

Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> Thank you Theo. I'm pretty sure you're correct but then it's hard to
> understand what all the double tabs are for in the supplied examples.
> Just obfuscation?

I would guess it's an attempt to make things line up in columns. eg, you
might have the text:

A reallyveryverylong thing .
A shorter thing .
A ny thing .

And you might try to space that out to make the columns align. If you were
doing that with spaces alone, you might go for:

A reallyveryverylong thing .
A shorter thing .
A ny thing .

When hand-tabulating things like that it's very common to press <tab> until
you're within a few characters of the right column and then add spaces to
make it align. Imagine tab stops are 5 characters so the text [---] in this
example represents one tab stop, and | is a tab occupying one character to
the next tab stop:

A[--]reallyveryverylong|thing[---].
A[--]shorter[-][---] thing[---].
A[--]ny[-][---][---] thing[---].

That's not quite how tab stops work in real life which is hard to represent
here, but a sketch of how you might use tabs and spaces to get alignment.
In this example there's an arbitrary number of tabs between each field,
followed by zero or more spaces.

Theo

In article <X8C*VFGtz@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> I would guess it's an attempt to make things line up in columns. eg, you
> might have the text:

[snip]

This was what I was thinking.

I do this with my user file for POPstar, for example, to get all the
addresses, passwords, and servers in columns to make it easier for me to
read and check.

I do a similar thing with my Hosts file. It makes things easier for me,
and the computer doesn't mind. It (or, rather, the program) just steps
through to the next item to retrieve.

The same for my MimeMap file.

Best wishes,
John

In message <5af88098e6bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <sYs*qlFtz@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
> Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>> Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
>>> I'm pleased for you but I just don't understand why, it does not
>>> match the model in the example file.

>> According to the source code:
>> https://sourceforge.net/p/riscosnet/newshound/ci/master/tree/!NewsHound/c/
>> rulefile
>> specifically GET_NEXT() and nntp_skip()

>> it looks like it accepts arbitrary amounts of whitespace between
>> fields, where whitespace is tabs and spaces. So you can have as
>> many tabs as you like.

>> _But_ tabs are special. If you had a line like:

>> *<tab> free money<tab>*<tab> *<tab><tab>*<tab>*

>> It won't break the 'free money' into two separate fields 'free' and
>> 'money'. It appears to look for a tab, then eat all the tabs and
>> spaces after it. Once it finds a non-whitespace character it takes
>> everything until the next tab as a single field.

>> So it appears the gaps have to _start_ with a tab, but any number
>> of tabs and spaces can follow that tab without disturbing the
>> interpretation.

> Thank you Theo. I'm pretty sure you're correct but then it's hard to
> understand what all the double tabs are for in the supplied examples.
> Just obfuscation?

> Bob.
Tabs are used with CSV or TSV files, I think there should be the same
number on each line, just an idea.

--
Jean-Michel

In message <009ec8f85a.jmb@jmc.bruck.orange.fr>
Jean-Michel <jmc.bruck@orange.fr> wrote:

> In message <5af88098e6bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>
> Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

>> In article <sYs*qlFtz@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
>> Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>> Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
>>>> I'm pleased for you but I just don't understand why, it does not
>>>> match the model in the example file.

>>> According to the source code:
>>> https://sourceforge.net/p/riscosnet/newshound/ci/master/tree/!NewsHound/c/
>>> rulefile
>>> specifically GET_NEXT() and nntp_skip()

>>> it looks like it accepts arbitrary amounts of whitespace between
>>> fields, where whitespace is tabs and spaces. So you can have as
>>> many tabs as you like.

>>> _But_ tabs are special. If you had a line like:

>>> *<tab> free money<tab>*<tab> *<tab><tab>*<tab>*

>>> It won't break the 'free money' into two separate fields 'free' and
>>> 'money'. It appears to look for a tab, then eat all the tabs and
>>> spaces after it. Once it finds a non-whitespace character it takes
>>> everything until the next tab as a single field.

>>> So it appears the gaps have to _start_ with a tab, but any number
>>> of tabs and spaces can follow that tab without disturbing the
>>> interpretation.

>> Thank you Theo. I'm pretty sure you're correct but then it's hard to
>> understand what all the double tabs are for in the supplied examples.
>> Just obfuscation?

>> Bob.
> Tabs are used with CSV or TSV files, I think there should be the same
> number on each line, just an idea.

I thought I had it all sorted yesterday, but today I received some 360
junk submissions. On investigation I found there are two copies of
NewsHound Global Rule. One is in !Netfetch.Apps.Configs.NewsHound and the
other in !Netfetch.Apps.NewsHound.Configs it was the former I had
amended, I have now amended the latter one. Why are there two copies in
slightly different locations?

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In article <3709d6f85a.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk>,
Adrian Crafer <acrafer@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]

> I thought I had it all sorted yesterday, but today I received some 360
> junk submissions. On investigation I found there are two copies of
> NewsHound Global Rule. One is in !Netfetch.Apps.Configs.NewsHound and
> the other in !Netfetch.Apps.NewsHound.Configs it was the former I had
> amended, I have now amended the latter one. Why are there two copies in
> slightly different locations?

In my copy of Newshound the working GlobalRule file is in the Configs
directory of Newshound.

The Netfetch.Apps.Configs directory contains sub diretorys for Newshound
and Popstar which seem to hold the defaults for these applications. So I
think they may be there for Netfetch to use in initial setting up of the
suite of applications, not for current use.

Richard Darby.

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On 22 Oct 2023 as I do recall,
Harriet Bazley wrote:

> On 22 Oct 2023 as I do recall,
> Chris Newman wrote:
>
> > Since that little flurry a few days ago, I haven't seen any more junk.
> >
> > Why are some people getting more than others if we're all getting the
> > same mails on the same un-moderated group?
> >
> > Is my provider (EternalSeptember) filtering some out?
> >
> Probably - I'm also on Eternal September, and I only ever saw the two
> spam postings.
>
But I've got another 22 today - clearly they altered something to evade
filtering!

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It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.

On 24 Oct 2023 as I do recall,
Bob Latham wrote:

[snip]

> In every case in that file the first 3 tab separators are double
> tabs, every example even in the explanation further up that document.
>
You can have as many tabs as necessary to get the columns to line up
visually in your editor of choice; NewsHound rolls them all into one.
The individual columns are indicated by the presence of an asterisk (to
match 'anything') or by the presence of search text to filter on.

--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==

Cloning is the sincerest form of flattery.

In article <90f903f95a.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
> On 22 Oct 2023 as I do recall,
> Harriet Bazley wrote:

> > On 22 Oct 2023 as I do recall,
> > Chris Newman wrote:
> >
> > > Since that little flurry a few days ago, I haven't seen any more junk.
> > >
> > > Why are some people getting more than others if we're all getting the
> > > same mails on the same un-moderated group?
> > >
> > > Is my provider (EternalSeptember) filtering some out?
> > >
> > Probably - I'm also on Eternal September, and I only ever saw the two
> > spam postings.
> >
> But I've got another 22 today - clearly they altered something to evade
> filtering!

Since I told !Pluto to dump anything containing "#" in the subject line
I've seen nothing; Giganews via Orpheus.

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In message <slrnujderu.kos.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

> On 2023-10-23, Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
>
> > For those using NewsHound, version 1.54 (which works perfectly with
> > EternalSeptember) has been sanctioned for use by all. I contacted author
> > Josephe Heenan and he is happy that this version, which has Dave Higton's
> > improvements, can be circulated.
>
> Do you know if Dave is ever planning to make the source for his changes
> available to commit into the SourceForge repo?
>
> At present, the last commits still appear to be the ones that I made a
> decade ago. If Dave's changes are useful, it would be shame for them to be
> lost.

I think they're useful, and so, apparently, do several other people.

I have no desire to keep my modifiactions to myself, so my first question
is: is the Sourceforge repo the One True Repository for Newshound? If it
is, then I'm happy for it to be updated. As to who does it: well, I
didn't check it out of a repo - the sources were emailed to me.

I just revived my Sourceforge account and looked for Newshound - it seems
not to be there.

I don't know where we go from here, but if you feel like putting the
sources into a repo, I'm happy to email them to you.

David

In message <522d07fa5a.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

> In message <slrnujderu.kos.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
> Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > On 2023-10-23, Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > For those using NewsHound, version 1.54 (which works perfectly with
> > > EternalSeptember) has been sanctioned for use by all. I contacted
> > > author Josephe Heenan and he is happy that this version, which has Dave
> > > Higton's improvements, can be circulated.
> >
> > Do you know if Dave is ever planning to make the source for his changes
> > available to commit into the SourceForge repo?
> >
> > At present, the last commits still appear to be the ones that I made a
> > decade ago. If Dave's changes are useful, it would be shame for them to
> > be lost.
>
> I think they're useful, and so, apparently, do several other people.
>
> I have no desire to keep my modifiactions to myself, so my first question
> is: is the Sourceforge repo the One True Repository for Newshound? If it
> is, then I'm happy for it to be updated. As to who does it: well, I didn't
> check it out of a repo - the sources were emailed to me.
>
> I just revived my Sourceforge account and looked for Newshound - it seems
> not to be there.
>
> I don't know where we go from here, but if you feel like putting the
> sources into a repo, I'm happy to email them to you.

Dunno what happened first time round, but a second attempt on SF has
found Newshound.

Having looked at one of the commits, I'm wondering if I was working on
an old branch of NH. Mine doesn't have any reference to Webget.

David

In article <5af7cd9904mec@npost.uk>,
Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
> For those using NewsHound, version 1.54 (which works perfectly with
> EternalSeptember) has been sanctioned for use by all. I contacted author
> Josephe Heenan and he is happy that this version, which has Dave Higton's
> improvements, can be circulated. See Aw software-discuss mail list thread
> Can't post news.
> Nobody is hosting it at the moment but I can send a copy, sans my
> details, on request.

Spambin email is genuine, please send me a copy as I use !NewsHound all
the time.

Stuart

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David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> I think they're useful, and so, apparently, do several other people.
>
> I have no desire to keep my modifiactions to myself, so my first question
> is: is the Sourceforge repo the One True Repository for Newshound? If it
> is, then I'm happy for it to be updated. As to who does it: well, I
> didn't check it out of a repo - the sources were emailed to me.
>
> I just revived my Sourceforge account and looked for Newshound - it seems
> not to be there.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/riscosnet/

has had commits from the original author 3 years ago, so I suppose it
must still be alive?

Theo

In message <XIy*IoZtz@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> > I think they're useful, and so, apparently, do several other people.
> >
> > I have no desire to keep my modifiactions to myself, so my first question
> > is: is the Sourceforge repo the One True Repository for Newshound? If it
> > is, then I'm happy for it to be updated. As to who does it: well, I
> > didn't check it out of a repo - the sources were emailed to me.
> >
> > I just revived my Sourceforge account and looked for Newshound - it seems
> > not to be there.
>
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/riscosnet/
>
> has had commits from the original author 3 years ago, so I suppose it must
> still be alive?

Yes, it makes me think that the sources I started from (emailed to me by
Andrew Rawnsley) was probably out of date. The SF repo version makes
references to WebGet, which is nowhere to be seen in the sources that
I have.

David

On 18 Oct 2023 13:00:14 +0100 (BST)
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> Adrian Crafer <acrafer@spam/orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > From the 12th onwards I seem to have received a large number of
> > junk/scam emails to this group. Is there a moderator of any type
> > who could block these?
>
> It's coming from Google Groups and is affecting large numbers of
> newsgroups. Google don't care, in fact they don't even know what
> newsgroups are. This group is not moderated and so there is no way
> to filter it at source. Your news provider could decide to do so,
> that is up to them (ie probably they won't).
>
> I have a filter set for
> Message-ID: *googlegroups.com*
>
> which zaps all of it, although it does zap the legit posters from
> Google Groups too. I unblock specific From: addresses which helps
> get a few of them back, but that's a manual job (and I only find out
> about them when somebody quotes them enough to include their email
> address, otherwise they are completely hidden)

It's a pain. I run my own news server but I'm reluctant to put a
blanket block on googlegroups because there are still some people who
use it for legitimate purposes.

That said, trying to catch something like this is often an exercise in
futility.

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