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> The following articles from 30 years ago, currently early 1991, are
> taken from the Internet Archive at:
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> https://archive.org/download/usenet-rec/rec.ham-radio.mbox.zip
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> >Path: gmdzi!unido!mcsun!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!ucsd!pacbell.com!ames!eos!shelby!pa...@shasta.Stanford.EDU
> >From: pa...@shasta.Stanford.EDU (paulf)
> >Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.ham-radio
> >Subject: CALL FOR DISCUSSION: rec.ham-radio reorganization
> >Message-ID: <1...@shasta.Stanford.EDU>
> >Date: 4 Dec 90 17:26:04 GMT
> >Organization: The Three Packeteers
> >Lines: 41
> >Xref: gmdzi news.groups:23265 rec.ham-radio:17431
> >Posted: Tue Dec 4 18:26:04 1990
>
> Jay Maynard and I propose the following reorganization of the rec.ham-radio
> hierarchy:
>
> PROPOSED ADDITIONS:
>
> 1. rec.radio.ham
>
> "A General newsgroup for discussions about amateur radio."
>
> 2. rec.radio.ham.legal
>
> "A newsgroup for the discussion of legal aspects of amateur radio."
>
> 3. rec.radio.ham.packet
>
> "A newsgroup for discussions about amateur packet radio."
>
> 4. rec.radio.ham.swap
>
> "A forsale group for the rec.radio.ham hierarchy."
>
> PROPOSED DELETIONS:
>
> 1. rec.ham-radio
>
> Now superseded by rec.radio.ham and rec.radio.ham.legal.
>
> 2. rec.ham-radio.packet
>
> Superseded by rec.radio.ham.packet
>
> 3. rec.ham-radio.swap
>
> Replaced by rec.radio.ham.swap
>
>
> Commentary Period: Dec. 4 -14, 1990
>
>
> - -=Paul Flaherty, N9FZX | Without KILL files,
> - ->pa...@shasta.Stanford.EDU | life itself would be impossible.
>
>
> >Path: gmdzi!unido!mcsun!sunic!uupsi!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!apple!bionet!turbo.bio.net!lear
> >From: jmay...@thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu (Jay Maynard)
> >Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,rec.ham-radio,rec.ham-radio.swap,rec..ham-radio.packet
> >Subject: CALL FOR VOTES: reorganization of rec.ham-radio.*
> >Message-ID: <Jan.6.23.53....@turbo.bio.net>
> >Date: 7 Jan 91 07:51:50 GMT
> >Sender: le...@turbo.bio.net
> >Reply-To: jmay...@thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu
> >Followup-To: news.groups
> >Lines: 129
> >Approved: le...@turbo.bio.net
> >Xref: gmdzi news.announce.newgroups:785 rec.ham-radio:18872 rec.ham-radio.swap:900 rec.ham-radio.packet:3355
>
> This is a formal call for votes for the proposed reorganization of
> rec.ham-radio.*. The discussion period started on December 4, 1990, and
> has run for just over the required 30 days (extended from the original
> ending time of 31 December 1990 due to the Christmas and New Year's
> holidays). Please read this entire posting before sending in your
> vote; the ballot to be used is at the end.
>
> THE PROPOSAL:
> =============
> The following groups are to be renamed:
> rec.ham-radio => rec.radio.amateur.misc
> rec.ham-radio.packet => rec.radio.amateur.packet
> rec.ham-radio.swap => rec.radio.swap
> Groups will be renamed by creating the replacement group, asking site
> admins to alias the old group to the new one, and rmgrouping the old
> group after traffic in it has died down, hopefully about a month later.
> This method has been shown to work in other hierarchies.
>
> The following groups are to be created:
> rec.radio.amateur.policy
> This group is intended to contain any and all discussion about policy
> issues pertaining to amateur radio, including, but not limited to,
> rules, regulations, laws, and legal actions by and against amateur
> radio operators. This group is to be unmoderated.
>
> rec.radio.cb
> This group is intended to contain discussions related to Citizens'
> Band radio. This group will be unmoderated.
>
> RATIONALE:
> ==========
> 1. Why move the groups at all? The primary motivation is to make it
> easier for interested people to find newsgroups related to ham radio.
> The rec.radio hierarchy was created after rec.ham-radio (net.ham-radio
> before the Great Renaming). It is an inconsistency in the namespace to
> have groups for similar purposes separated from each other, and that
> makes it harder for new users to find the desired groups. Further,
> this allows a change from ham radio to amateur radio (see next topic).
>
> 2. Why .amateur instead of .ham? It has been pointed out in discussion
> that "ham radio" is primarily an American term, and carries little
> meaning outside the US. In addition, there are negative connotations
> attached to "ham" that don't apply to "amateur". Some confusion also
> exists in the public mind about just what a "ham radio operator" is,
> as evidenced by the occasional "ham operator jams aircraft
> frequencies!" when the person in question has never been a licensed
> amateur radio operator.
>
> 3. Why a .policy group? A significant part of the traffic in
> rec.ham-radio is concerned with issues of policy. This includes
> substantially all of the flamage, which has in the recent past
> included such subjects as whether or not it's legal to order a pizza
> via an amateur repeater, the proposal to add a class of license that
> does not require knowledge of the International Morse Code, and the
> legality of modifying amateur equipment to transmit outside the
> amateur bands. The new group is intended to move the flames and the
> long discussions that never seem to get anywhere out of the main
> group.
>
> 4. Why use the name .policy, instead of .rules, .regs, .regulations,
> etc.? The group is intended to contain any and all discussion about
> any policy issues pertaining to amateur radio. This includes not just
> rules and regulations of the FCC and other national regulatory bodies,
> but also laws affecting hams (such as the infamous New Jersey scanner
> law), lawsuits over nuisance issues, antenna ordinances, frequency
> coordination and band planning, and the like. .policy is the best name
> that has been suggested for the group out of many possibilities.
>
> 5. Why not a .tech group? There are two reasons for this one. The
> first is that there's more to ham radio that's non-inflammatory than
> just technical discussions, and the object of a new group is to move
> the flames, not run away from them. A .tech group would leave those of
> us who are interested in more than just technical discussions, yet not
> in the seemingly endless legal discussions, left to wade through the
> flames. Second, Brian Kantor, who maintains the info-hams mailing
> list, has said that info-hams will continue to gateway rec.ham-radio
> (and, presumably, rec.radio.amateur.misc) only, and moving the
> technical postings off would deprive those on the mailing list.
>
> 6. Why create a .cb group? There is currently no place for Citizens' Band
> radio discussions explicit in the hierarchy. These postings currently wind
> up in rec.ham-radio, where they tend to generate flamage all out of
> proportion to their volume.
>
>
> THE MECHANICS OF THE VOTE:
> ==========================
>
> The voting period will run from Monday, 7 January 1991 until Monday, 28
> January 1991. Only votes received during that period will be counted.
> Each proposal is a separate vote, and must be voted on separately under
> the Guidelines for Group Creation (which have been applied to renames as
> well in the past).
>
> Please edit and send in the ballot below. Each ballot will be stripped of
> all but the From: line and the lines containing valid votes by an automatic
> process; I won't see any comments included. No individual acknowledgments
> will be mailed. Votes will be acknowledged en masse in a posting on Thursday,
> 18 January 1991, and complete vote results will be posted on Tuesday, 29
> January 1991.
>
> For each proposal, indicate your choice of a yes vote or a no vote by
> placing a Y or N, respectively, at the beginning of the line. The first
> character on the line that is either a Y or an N (case doesn't matter)
> will be counted as your vote on that proposal. You may abstain from any
> particular vote by deleting the line entirely from the ballot. An invalid
> line (one not containing a Y or an N before the "Proposal #n:" tag) will be
> treated as an abstention, as well. Mail the completed ballot to me at
> this address, jmay...@thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu, with the characters "VOTE"
> somewhere in the Subject: line. (Again, case doesn't matter.) Replying to
> this message with your newsreader's mail reply command ("R" in rn, readnews,
> vnews, and vn; I don't know nn's commamd) will work fine. Votes posted to
> the net will be summarily ignored and may earn the poster a free flame from
> the net.police.
>
> THE BALLOT:
> ===========
> ? Proposal #1: Rename rec.ham-radio to rec.radio.amateur.misc
> ? Proposal #2: Rename rec.ham-radio.packet to rec.radio.amateur.packet
> ? Proposal #3: Rename rec.ham-radio.swap to rec.radio.swap
> ? Proposal #4: Create rec.radio.amateur.policy
> ? Proposal #5: Create rec.radio.cb
>
>
>
> - --
> Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
> jmay...@thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu | adequately be explained by stupidity.
> "I smell a scientific fish." -- Chip Salzenberg
>
>
> >Path: gmdzi!unido!mcsun!sunic!uupsi!njin!rutgers!usc!wuarchive!bcm!lib!thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu
> >From: jmay...@thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu (Jay Maynard)
> >Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.ham-radio,rec.ham-radio.packet,rec.ham-radio..swap
> >Subject: MASS ACKNOWLEDGMENT: rec.ham-radio reorganization
> >Message-ID: <45...@lib.tmc.edu>
> >Date: 17 Jan 91 12:38:01 GMT
> >Sender: use...@lib.tmc.edu
> >Followup-To: news.groups
> >Organization: University of Texas Medical School at Houston
> >Lines: 157
> >Xref: gmdzi news.groups:24270 rec.ham-radio:19508 rec.ham-radio.packet:3420 rec.ham-radio.swap:919
> >Nntp-Posting-Host: thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu
> >Originator: jmay...@thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu
>
>
> Votes have been received from the following, as of 6 AM Central on 17 January
> 1990. A companion posting describes the reorganization, and contains the
> ballot used.
>
> " 24298, GIBBONS, JOHN" <abvax!iccgcc.DNET!gibb...@uunet.UU.NET>
> 07-Jan-1991 1026 <bos...@mr4dec.enet.dec.com>
> adec23!ma...@pembina.cs.UAlberta.CA
> adk...@ti-csl.csc.ti.com
> anicon!doug (Doug Grant)
> autodesk!megalon!abe...@fernwood.mpk.ca.us (Only 345 more shopping days until Christmas)
> barry@tanstaafl!edgar.Mn.Org (barry)
> bi...@mousetrap.canton.mi.us (William S. Johnston)
> bio...@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (Alan Biocca)
> Bob Manson <man...@cis.ohio-state.edu>
> Bob Witte <bo...@col.hp.com>
> Bob_...@osu.edu
> "Brian Bartholomew" <b...@loggerhead.cis.ufl.edu>
> br...@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor)
> brig...@vicom.com (Bill Carson)
> bro...@BBN.COM
> Charles J. Guest <chg...@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov>
> Charley Kline <c-k...@uiuc.edu>
> chk@alias (C. Harald Koch)
> chu...@amc.com (Chuck Baldwin)
> "CPT Douglas E. Nielsen" <ASQK-...@taegu-emh1.army.mil>
> cs0...@unccvax.uncc.edu (John Covington WN4BBJ)
> ct...@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Cliff Tuel)
> cu...@cynic.wimsey.bc.ca (Curt Sampson)
> da...@amc.com (Dave Schmidt)
> David Wright <D.W.W...@stl.stc.co.uk>
> d...@caveat.berkeley.edu (Dave Cottingham)
> d...@meaddata.com (David Myers)
> dil...@pa.dec.com (John Dillon)
> e...@gvlv3.GVL.Unisys.COM (Ed Naratil)
> Ed Hall <edh...@rand.org>
> ed...@jafus.mi.org (Eddy J. Gurney)
> electro!ca...@watcgl.waterloo.edu (Carlo Sgro)
> eman...@to.sem.it (Emanuele Girlando)
> emma...@dhw68k.cts.COM (Mark Hartman)
> Eric Peterson <er...@prodnet.la.locus.com>
> FINBERG%ebvxcl.d...@RELAY.CS.NET
> foxw...@bnlls1.nsls.bnl.gov (Bob Foxworth)
> fr...@caf.MIT.EDU (Frederick Herrmann)
> Gary Bridges <bri...@isuee1.ee.iastate.edu>
> ga...@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
> ga...@ssd.Kodak.Com (Gary M. Diana (645))
> gemed!uunet!crdgw1.ge.com!med.ge.com!sol!wos...@crdgw1.ge.com
> Gerben 'P' Vos <gp...@cs.vu.nl>
> Gerrit Polder <GERRIT.POLDER%CRZ.A...@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
> g...@banyan.banyan.com (Gil Pilz@Eng@Banyan)
> g...@wpi.wpi.edu (Gregory K Doerschler)
> gmo...@nasamail.nasa.gov (GARY A. MORRIS)
> gops...@helix.squibb.com
> Greg DesBrisay <g...@erg.sri.com>
> g...@fig.cray.com (Greg Mansfield)
> gt4...@prism.gatech.edu
> halley!rhino!wat...@cs.utexas.edu (William Watson)
> har...@dg-rtp.dg.com (Mike Harris)
> Harry P Bloomberg <h...@unix.cis.pitt.edu>
> harvee!e...@uunet.UU.NET (Eric S Johansson)
> he...@chg.mcd.mot.com (Ron Heiby)
> Henk Peek <he...@nikhefk.nikhef.nl>
> Henry Black <hen...@hpspdra.spd.hp.com>
> "Henry T. Rand" (AED-FD) <hr...@PICA.ARMY.MIL>
> hera!rc...@bellcore.bellcore.com (McConnell, Ronald C., W2IOL)
> hi...@tsar.enet.dec.com
> Ignatius Tan <i...@siesoft.co.uk>
> indep1!pe...@uunet.UU.NET (Peter Franks)
> Jay Maynard <jmay...@thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu>
> jcv27%CAS.B...@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
> Jeff Rininger <je...@erg.sri.com>
> Jim Hollenback <ho...@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com>
> Joe Dubner <dub...@hpspklu.spk.hp.com>
> Joe Hamlin <ham...@blackbird.afit.af.mil>
> John Gruber<gru...@andy.bgsu.edu>
> John Murray <mur...@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>
> John.J...@equi.com
> "Jon W. McCombie" <jmcc...@BBN.COM>
> Jordan Brown <jbr...@prodnet.la.locus.com>
> j...@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US (Jim Earl)
> j...@col400.att.com (J. R. Massi)
> jul...@bongo.info.com (Julian Macassey)
> j...@alux2.att.com (James V Morgan, Jr)
> ka...@research.att.com
> kami...@uoftcse.cse.UTOLEDO.edu
> ke...@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kim DeVaughn)
> Kevin Quinlan <kquinlan%cvedg.p...@RELAY.CS.NET>
> la...@tc.fluke.COM (Lane Holdcroft)
> lar...@snmp.sri.com (Alan Larson)
> l...@sat.datapoint.com (Lee Ziegenhals)
> lin...@chinacat.unicom.com (Mark Linimon)
> lu...@stekt.oulu.fi (Ari Husa OH8NUP)
> lyn...@cs.athabascau.ca (Lyndon Nerenberg)
> mah...@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US (Mark A. Haun)
> mah...@usl.edu (Mahler Stephen J)
> marc...@soc1.ssl.berkeley.edu (Will Marchant)
> Matthew Allen <M.J....@stl.stc.co.uk>
> mbu...@case.MENTOR.COM (Mike Butts)
> mcafee.E...@xerox.com
> m...@presto.ig.com (Michael C. Berch)
> "Mike Beaty, Servowriter Engineering" <be...@cxunix.enet.dec.com>
> Mike Horne <mhorne%ka7axd.t...@RELAY.CS.NET>
> Mike Northam ext 2651 <sns4!mbn%fpssu...@RELAY.CS.NET>
> Mike Weihman <mi...@hpsadpe.hp.com>
> millbrook!l...@fibercom.com (Larry Johnson)
> m...@sq.com (Mark Brader)
> ne...@wcc.oz.au (Neil Murray)
> NMR...@SATURN.LERC.NASA.GOV
> nob...@Kodak.COM (John Spoonhower)
> "Ofer Inbar" <c...@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu>
> "Oh brave new worm to have such features in't 15-Jan-1991 1358" <ta...@pstjtt.enet.dec.com>
> opel!vk2bea!mic...@uunet.UU.NET
> orn...@Kodak.COM (Barry Ornitz)
> panix!Joseph....@cmcl2.NYU.EDU, panix!kc...@cmcl2.NYU.EDU
> Paul Gerwitz <ger...@Kodak.COM>
> pa...@shasta.Stanford.EDU (Paul A. Flaherty)
> pb...@midway.uchicago.edu (Peter B. Hayward)
> p...@cs.brown.edu (Paul Howard)
> p...@ukc.ac.uk
> po...@iceland.att.com (Mark B Colosia)
> psch...@alf.unomaha.edu (Paul W. Schleck KD3FU)
> railnet!r...@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu (Rick DeMattia)
> re...@mozart.AMD.COM (David F. Reed)
> Richard H. Miller <ri...@pavlov.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu>
> rj...@surya.cs.virginia.edu
> Roger Taylor <rta...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
> scampbel%emdeng.day...@RELAY.CS.NET
> sch...@tahoe.unr.edu (Daniel C Schnell)
> s...@larry.sal.wisc.edu (Scott Ellington)
> se...@amix.commodore.com (Sean Petty)
> "Sid B. Bernstein" (AED-EWD|ARCS) <si...@PICA.ARMY.MIL>
> sk...@echo.canberra.edu.au (Carl Makin)
> sk...@spot.Colorado.EDU (WU SHI-KUEI)
> sta...@phoenix.com (John Stanley)
> st...@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Schallehn)
> ste...@decwrl.dec.com (Steven Philipson)
> sunriv!ro...@uunet.UU.NET
> Ted Cowie <tvcent!t...@uunet.UU.NET>
> teda!je...@decwrl.dec.com (I know you are! But what am I?)
> teda!mi...@decwrl.dec.com (Mikel Lechner)
> "Thomas Stingl, DL5SBS" <STINGL%i70vca%iravcl.i...@RELAY.CS.NET>
> ti...@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Timothy D Aanerud)
> Tom Haapanen <t...@mims-iris.waterloo.edu>
> UUP...@HELIOS.LERC.NASA.GOV
> va...@tegra.com
> Visualize Whirled Peas <bre...@anarky.enet.dec.com>
> w...@Eng.Sun.COM (Dennis Henderson)
> wea...@news18.sfc.Sony.COM (Eric Weaver)
> "Wolfgang Tremmel, Postmaster" <tremmel%ira.u...@RELAY.CS.NET>
> wolves.uucp!g...@mcnc.org (Gregory G. Woodbury)
> woods@eci386 (Greg A. Woods)
> ww...@ciba-geigy.ch (Wolfgang Wetz)
> - --
> Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
> jmay...@thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu | adequately be explained by stupidity.
> "Fahrvergnugen, y'all." -- Volkswagen billboard in Houston
>
>
> >Path: gmdzi!unido!mcsun!sunic!uupsi!njin!rutgers!usc!wuarchive!bcm!lib!thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu
> >From: jmay...@thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu (Jay Maynard)
> >Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.ham-radio,rec.ham-radio.packet,rec.ham-radio..swap
> >Subject: SECOND CALL FOR VOTES: rec.ham-radio reorganization
> >Message-ID: <45...@lib.tmc.edu>
> >Date: 17 Jan 91 12:47:04 GMT
> >Sender: use...@lib.tmc.edu
> >Followup-To: news.groups
> >Organization: University of Texas Medical School at Houston
> >Lines: 130
> >Xref: gmdzi news.groups:24271 rec.ham-radio:19509 rec.ham-radio.packet:3421 rec.ham-radio.swap:920
> >Nntp-Posting-Host: thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu
> >Originator: jmay...@thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu
>
> This is a formal call for votes for the proposed reorganization of
> rec.ham-radio.*. The discussion period started on December 4, 1990, and
> has run for just over the required 30 days (extended from the original
> ending time of 31 December 1990 due to the Christmas and New Year's
> holidays). Please read this entire posting before sending in your
> vote; the ballot to be used is at the end. I'm processing ballots
> automatically, and not following the instructions below may result in
> your vote not getting counted.
>
> THE PROPOSAL:
> =============
> The following groups are to be renamed:
> rec.ham-radio => rec.radio.amateur.misc
> rec.ham-radio.packet => rec.radio.amateur.packet
> rec.ham-radio.swap => rec.radio.swap
> Groups will be renamed by creating the replacement group, asking site
> admins to alias the old group to the new one, and rmgrouping the old
> group after traffic in it has died down, hopefully about a month later.
> This method has been shown to work in other hierarchies.
>
> The following groups are to be created:
> rec.radio.amateur.policy
> This group is intended to contain any and all discussion about policy
> issues pertaining to amateur radio, including, but not limited to,
> rules, regulations, laws, and legal actions by and against amateur
> radio operators. This group is to be unmoderated.
>
> rec.radio.cb
> This group is intended to contain discussions related to Citizens'
> Band radio. This group will be unmoderated.
>
> RATIONALE:
> ==========
> 1. Why move the groups at all? The primary motivation is to make it
> easier for interested people to find newsgroups related to ham radio.
> The rec.radio hierarchy was created after rec.ham-radio (net.ham-radio
> before the Great Renaming). It is an inconsistency in the namespace to
> have groups for similar purposes separated from each other, and that
> makes it harder for new users to find the desired groups. Further,
> this allows a change from ham radio to amateur radio (see next topic).
>
> 2. Why .amateur instead of .ham? It has been pointed out in discussion
> that "ham radio" is primarily an American term, and carries little
> meaning outside the US. In addition, there are negative connotations
> attached to "ham" that don't apply to "amateur". Some confusion also
> exists in the public mind about just what a "ham radio operator" is,
> as evidenced by the occasional "ham operator jams aircraft
> frequencies!" when the person in question has never been a licensed
> amateur radio operator.
>
> 3. Why a .policy group? A significant part of the traffic in
> rec.ham-radio is concerned with issues of policy. This includes
> substantially all of the flamage, which has in the recent past
> included such subjects as whether or not it's legal to order a pizza
> via an amateur repeater, the proposal to add a class of license that
> does not require knowledge of the International Morse Code, and the
> legality of modifying amateur equipment to transmit outside the
> amateur bands. The new group is intended to move the flames and the
> long discussions that never seem to get anywhere out of the main
> group.
>
> 4. Why use the name .policy, instead of .rules, .regs, .regulations,
> etc.? The group is intended to contain any and all discussion about
> any policy issues pertaining to amateur radio. This includes not just
> rules and regulations of the FCC and other national regulatory bodies,
> but also laws affecting hams (such as the infamous New Jersey scanner
> law), lawsuits over nuisance issues, antenna ordinances, frequency
> coordination and band planning, and the like. .policy is the best name
> that has been suggested for the group out of many possibilities.
>
> 5. Why not a .tech group? There are two reasons for this one. The
> first is that there's more to ham radio that's non-inflammatory than
> just technical discussions, and the object of a new group is to move
> the flames, not run away from them. A .tech group would leave those of
> us who are interested in more than just technical discussions, yet not
> in the seemingly endless legal discussions, left to wade through the
> flames. Second, Brian Kantor, who maintains the info-hams mailing
> list, has said that info-hams will continue to gateway rec.ham-radio
> (and, presumably, rec.radio.amateur.misc) only, and moving the
> technical postings off would deprive those on the mailing list.
>
> 6. Why create a .cb group? There is currently no place for Citizens' Band
> radio discussions explicit in the hierarchy. These postings currently wind
> up in rec.ham-radio, where they tend to generate flamage all out of
> proportion to their volume.
>
>
> THE MECHANICS OF THE VOTE:
> ==========================
>
> The voting period will run from Monday, 7 January 1991 until Monday, 28
> January 1991. Only votes received during that period will be counted.
> Each proposal is a separate vote, and must be voted on separately under
> the Guidelines for Group Creation (which have been applied to renames as
> well in the past).
>
> Please edit and send in the ballot below. Each ballot will be stripped of
> all but the From: line and the lines containing valid votes by an automatic
> process; I won't see any comments included. No individual acknowledgments
> will be mailed. Votes will be acknowledged en masse in a posting on Thursday,
> 18 January 1991, and complete vote results will be posted on Tuesday, 29
> January 1991.
>
> For each proposal, indicate your choice of a yes vote or a no vote by
> placing a Y or N, respectively, at the beginning of the line. The first
> character on the line that is either a Y or an N (case doesn't matter)
> will be counted as your vote on that proposal. You may abstain from any
> particular vote by deleting the line entirely from the ballot. An invalid
> line (one not containing a Y or an N before the "Proposal #n:" tag) will be
> treated as an abstention, as well. Mail the completed ballot to me at
> this address, jmay...@thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu, with the characters "VOTE"
> somewhere in the Subject: line. (Again, case doesn't matter.) Replying to
> this message with your newsreader's mail reply command ("R" in rn, readnews,
> vnews, and vn; I don't know nn's commamd) will work fine. Votes posted to
> the net will be summarily ignored and may earn the poster a free flame from
> the net.police.
>
> THE BALLOT:
> ===========
> ? Proposal #1: Rename rec.ham-radio to rec.radio.amateur.misc
> ? Proposal #2: Rename rec.ham-radio.packet to rec.radio.amateur.packet
> ? Proposal #3: Rename rec.ham-radio.swap to rec.radio.swap
> ? Proposal #4: Create rec.radio.amateur.policy
> ? Proposal #5: Create rec.radio.cb
>
>
> - --
> Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
> jmay...@thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu | adequately be explained by stupidity.
> "Fahrvergnugen, y'all." -- Volkswagen billboard in Houston
>
>
> >Path: gmdzi!unido!fauern!ira.uka.de!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!bcm!lib!thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu
> >From: jmay...@thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu (Jay Maynard)
> >Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.ham-radio,rec.ham-radio.packet,rec.ham-radio..swap
> >Subject: VOTE RESULTS: rec.ham-radio reorganization
> >Message-ID: <46...@lib.tmc.edu>
> >Date: 28 Jan 91 12:22:34 GMT
> >Sender: use...@lib.tmc.edu
> >Followup-To: news.groups
> >Organization: University of Texas Medical School at Houston
> >Lines: 280
> >Xref: gmdzi news.groups:24389 rec.ham-radio:19908 rec.ham-radio.packet:3466 rec.ham-radio.swap:941
> >Nntp-Posting-Host: thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu
> >Originator: jmay...@thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu
>
> The voting period for the rec.ham-radio.* reorganization is now over.
> The proposals to be voted on were:
> Proposal #1: Rename rec.ham-radio to rec.radio.amateur.misc
> Proposal #2: Rename rec.ham-radio.packet to rec.radio.amateur.packet
> Proposal #3: Rename rec.ham-radio.swap to rec.radio.swap
> Proposal #4: Create rec.radio.amateur.policy
> Proposal #5: Create rec.radio.cb
>
> The results are as follows:
> Proposal 1: 172 to 47...margin 125, percent in favor 78.538813
> Proposal 2: 178 to 42...margin 136, percent in favor 80.909091
> Proposal 3: 177 to 44...margin 133, percent in favor 80.090498
> Proposal 4: 173 to 44...margin 129, percent in favor 79.723502
> Proposal 5: 160 to 49...margin 111, percent in favor 76.555024
>
> As you can see, all five proposals have passed, since all five have a margin
> of yes votes over no votes of greater than 100, and all five have more than
> 67% (2/3) of the votes cast being yes votes.
>
> The five-day period of checking for duplicates and invalid votes begins as of
> the time that these results appear in news.announce.newgroups, per the
> Guidelines for Newsgroup Creation. If no problems that change the outcome of
> any proposal are found, then I will ask Eliot Lear to issue newgroup messages
> for rec.radio.amateur.misc, rec.radio.amateur.packet, rec.radio.swap,
> rec.radio.amateur.policy, and rec.radio.cb. In a month, I will ask him to
> repost the newgroup messages, and post rmgroups for rec.ham-radio,
> rec.ham-radio.packet, and rec.ham-radio.swap. I would ask sysadmins on the
> net to alias rec.ham-radio to rec.radio.amateur.misc, rec.ham-radio.packet to
> rec.radio.amateur.packet, and rec.ham-radio.swap to rec.radio.swap when they
> receive the newgroup messages - but not before.
>
> Thanks go to all who provided input into the process of shaping this proposal.
> It started out as one man's idea, but quickly grew to encompass just about
> every input even remotely compatible with the overall objective. Thanks also
> go to all who voted - as you can see, every vote counts, as just 6 votes the
> other way would have defeated rec.radio.cb.
>
> For those who keep track of when votes are received, 85 were received the
> first day, 128 by the fourth, 148 by the tenth, and 33 the day after the
> second call for votes was posted. Only 14 were received in the last week.
>
> I wound up writing a shell script to massage ballots received into the format
> you see below, and an awk program to generate the report at the top of this
> message. Anyone who's interested in those pieces of cruft (really, they're
> not pretty - they just work), just drop me a note and I'll pass them along.
>
> The votes received are listed below: (Y=yes, N=no, A=abstain)
>
> +---------Proposal #1
> | +-------Proposal #2
> | | +-----Proposal #3
> | | | +---Proposal #4
> | | | | +-Proposal #5
> V V V V V From: line as received
> Y Y Y Y Y " 24298, GIBBONS, JOHN" <abvax!iccgcc.DNET!gibb...@uunet.UU.NET>
> N N N N N 07-Jan-1991 1026 <bos...@mr4dec.enet.dec.com>
> N N N N N a...@mace.cc.purdue.edu
> N Y Y Y Y adec23!ma...@pembina.cs.UAlberta.CA
> Y Y Y Y Y adept!al...@cs.utexas.edu (Alan Ruffer)
> Y Y Y Y Y adept!j...@cs.utexas.edu (Jim Benoit)
> Y Y Y Y Y adept!ly...@cs.utexas.edu (Evelyn Ruffer)
> Y Y Y N A adk...@ti-csl.csc.ti.com
> Y Y Y Y A Andreas Bjorklind <a...@IDA.LiU.SE>
> N N N N A Andrew Siegel <a...@nbc1.ge.com>
> Y Y Y Y Y anicon!doug (Doug Grant)
> Y Y Y Y Y autodesk!megalon!abe...@fernwood.mpk.ca.us (Only 345 more shopping days until Christmas)
> Y Y Y N Y barry@tanstaafl!edgar.Mn.Org (barry)
> N Y N Y Y Bernhard Buettner <buet...@informatik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de>
> N N N N N bi...@mousetrap.canton.mi.us (William S. Johnston)
> Y Y Y Y Y bio...@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (Alan Biocca)
> Y Y Y Y Y Bob Manson <man...@cis.ohio-state.edu>
> Y Y Y Y N Bob Witte <bo...@col.hp.com>
> Y Y Y N N BOB WOOD WA7MXZ <BO...@cc.usu.edu>
> Y Y Y Y Y Bob_...@osu.edu
> Y Y Y Y Y bootsie!olson (Eric K. Olson)
> Y Y Y Y Y "Brian Bartholomew" <b...@loggerhead.cis.ufl.edu>
> Y Y Y Y Y br...@nucleus.AMD.COM (Brian McMinn)
> N N N N N br...@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor)
> Y Y Y Y Y brig...@vicom.com (Bill Carson)
> Y Y Y Y A bro...@BBN.COM
> Y Y Y Y Y Charles J. Guest <chg...@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov>
> Y Y Y Y A Charley Kline <c-k...@uiuc.edu>
> N N N N N Charlie Panek <char...@lsid.hp.com>
> Y Y Y Y Y Charlie Root <ro...@utcrt2.utc.chalmers.se>
> Y Y Y Y Y chk@alias (C. Harald Koch)
> Y Y N Y N chu...@amc.com (Chuck Baldwin)
> Y Y Y Y Y chu...@tc.fluke.COM (Chuck Bowden)
> Y Y Y Y Y connolly%li...@cs.umass.edu (Christopher Connolly)
> Y Y Y Y Y "CPT Douglas E. Nielsen" <ASQK-...@taegu-emh1.army.mil>
> Y Y Y Y Y cs0...@unccvax.uncc.edu (John Covington WN4BBJ)
> Y Y N N Y ct...@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Cliff Tuel)
> Y Y Y Y Y cu...@cynic.wimsey.bc.ca (Curt Sampson)
> Y Y Y Y Y da...@amc.com (Dave Schmidt)
> Y Y Y Y Y David Wright <D.W.W...@stl.stc.co.uk>
> N N N N Y d...@caveat.berkeley.edu (Dave Cottingham)
> Y Y Y Y Y d...@meaddata.com (David Myers)
> Y Y Y Y Y Denny Lim <dl...@BBN.COM>
> Y Y Y Y Y dil...@pa.dec.com (John Dillon)
> Y Y Y Y N Don_E...@cup.portal.com
> N N N N Y Doug Faunt N6TQS 415-688-8269 <fa...@cisco.com>
> N Y Y Y Y Doug....@Central.Sun.COM (Douglas Tabor [Sun Colorado Commercial SE])
> Y Y Y Y Y d...@css.itd.umich.edu
> Y Y Y Y Y Duncan Elliott <du...@eecg.toronto.edu>
> Y Y Y Y Y dve...@dbase.A-T.COM (Dan Veditz)
> Y Y Y Y Y ea...@rcf.rsmas.miami.edu
> N N N N Y e...@gvlv3.GVL.Unisys.COM (Ed Naratil)
> Y Y Y Y Y Ed Hall <edh...@rand.org>
> N N N N Y ed...@jafus.mi.org (Eddy J. Gurney)
> Y Y Y Y Y electro!ca...@watcgl.waterloo.edu (Carlo Sgro)
> Y Y Y Y Y eman...@to.sem.it (Emanuele Girlando)
> Y Y Y Y Y emma...@dhw68k.cts.COM (Mark Hartman)
> Y Y Y Y Y eplunix!i...@EDDIE.MIT.EDU (Ishmael J. Stefanov-Wagner)
> Y Y Y Y N Eric Peterson <er...@prodnet.la.locus.com>
> N N N N Y FINBERG%ebvxcl.d...@RELAY.CS.NET
> Y Y Y Y Y f...@rci.dk (Flemming Kraglund)
> Y Y Y Y Y foxw...@bnlls1.nsls.bnl.gov (Bob Foxworth)
> N N N N N Fred....@West.Sun.COM (Fred Lloyd SUN Phoenix SE 602-275-4242)
> Y Y Y Y A fr...@caf.MIT.EDU (Frederick Herrmann)
> Y Y Y Y N Gary Bridges <bri...@isuee1.ee.iastate.edu>
> Y Y Y Y N "Gary D. Archer" <arc...@stlvm2.iinus1.ibm.com>
> Y Y Y Y Y Gary.R...@f131.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Gary Reardon)
> Y Y Y Y Y ga...@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
> N N N N N ga...@ssd.Kodak.Com (Gary M. Diana (645))
> Y Y Y Y Y gba...@x102c.ess.harris.com (Gary Bastin 60293)
> Y Y Y Y Y gemed!uunet!crdgw1.ge.com!med.ge.com!sol!wos...@crdgw1.ge.com
> Y Y Y Y Y georgep%sail.lab...@RELAY.CS.NET
> Y Y Y Y Y Gerben 'P' Vos <gp...@cs.vu.nl>
> Y Y Y Y Y Gerrit Polder <GERRIT.POLDER%CRZ.A...@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
> Y Y Y Y Y g...@banyan.banyan.com (Gil Pilz@Eng@Banyan)
> Y Y Y Y N g...@wpi.wpi.edu (Gregory K Doerschler)
> Y Y Y Y Y gmo...@nasamail.nasa.gov (GARY A. MORRIS)
> Y Y Y Y N gops...@helix.squibb.com
> Y Y Y Y Y gra...@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (William Graham)
> Y Y Y Y Y Greg DesBrisay <g...@erg.sri.com>
> Y Y Y Y Y g...@fig.cray.com (Greg Mansfield)
> Y Y Y N N gt4...@prism.gatech.edu
> A A Y A A halley!rhino!wat...@cs.utexas.edu (William Watson)
> Y Y Y Y Y Harri Salminen <h...@nic.funet.fi>
> Y Y Y Y Y har...@dg-rtp.dg.com (Mike Harris)
> Y Y Y Y Y Harry P Bloomberg <h...@unix.cis.pitt.edu>
> Y Y Y Y Y harvee!e...@uunet.UU.NET (Eric S Johansson)
> Y Y Y Y Y he...@chg.mcd.mot.com (Ron Heiby)
> Y Y Y Y Y Henk Peek <he...@nikhefk.nikhef.nl>
> N Y Y Y Y Henry Black <hen...@hpspdra.spd.hp.com>
> N N N N N "Henry T. Rand" (AED-FD) <hr...@PICA.ARMY.MIL>
> Y Y Y Y Y hera!rc...@bellcore.bellcore.com (McConnell, Ronald C., W2IOL)
> Y Y Y Y Y hi...@tsar.enet.dec.com
> Y Y Y Y Y hk...@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Hamid N. Khan)
> A Y Y Y Y h...@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Peter Anvin)
> Y Y Y Y Y Ignatius Tan <i...@siesoft.co.uk>
> Y Y Y Y Y indep1!pe...@uunet.UU.NET (Peter Franks)
> N N N N Y Jay Kesterson <ja...@hpfcso.fc.hp.com>
> Y Y Y Y Y Jay Maynard <jmay...@thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu>
> Y Y Y Y Y jcv27%CAS.B...@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
> N N N N N Jeff Rininger <je...@erg.sri.com>
> N N N Y Y jer...@canada.sbi.com (Jerry Simonowits)
> N N N Y Y Jim Hollenback <ho...@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com>
> N N N N N jim....@w8grt.fidonet.org (Jim Grubs)
> Y Y Y Y Y Joe Dubner <dub...@hpspklu.spk.hp.com>
> Y Y Y Y Y Joe Hamlin <ham...@blackbird.afit.af.mil>
> Y Y Y Y Y John Gruber<gru...@andy.bgsu.edu>
> Y Y Y Y Y John Murray <mur...@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>
> N N N N N John Schmidt <j...@hpfclw.fc.hp.com>
> Y Y Y Y Y John.J...@equi.com
> Y Y Y Y Y "Jon W. McCombie" <jmcc...@BBN.COM>
> Y Y Y A A Jordan Brown <jbr...@prodnet.la.locus.com>
> Y Y Y Y Y j...@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US (Jim Earl)
> Y Y Y Y Y j...@col400.att.com (J. R. Massi)
> Y Y Y Y Y j...@hydra.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Jon T. Adams)
> N N N N N jul...@bongo.info.com (Julian Macassey)
> Y Y Y Y Y j...@alux2.att.com (James V Morgan, Jr)
> Y Y Y Y Y ka...@research.att.com
> Y Y Y Y Y kami...@uoftcse.cse.UTOLEDO.edu
> N N N N N ke4zv!ga...@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman)
> N N N N Y ke...@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kim DeVaughn)
> Y Y Y Y Y Kevin Quinlan <kquinlan%cvedg.p...@RELAY.CS.NET>
> Y Y Y Y Y la...@noao.edu (Steve Lane)
> Y Y Y Y Y la...@tc.fluke.COM (Lane Holdcroft)
> N N N N N lar...@snmp.sri.com (Alan Larson)
> Y Y Y Y Y l...@sat.datapoint.com (Lee Ziegenhals)
> Y Y Y Y N lin...@chinacat.unicom.com (Mark Linimon)
> Y Y Y Y Y lu...@stekt.oulu.fi (Ari Husa OH8NUP)
> Y Y Y Y N lyn...@cs.athabascau.ca (Lyndon Nerenberg)
> Y Y Y Y Y m...@harris.cis.ksu.edu (Myron A. Calhoun)
> Y Y Y Y Y mah...@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US (Mark A. Haun)
> N N N N N mah...@usl.edu (Mahler Stephen J)
> Y Y Y Y Y marc...@soc1.ssl.berkeley.edu (Will Marchant)
> Y Y Y Y Y mar...@Corp.Sun.COM (Mark Maxwell-Keiser)
> Y Y Y Y Y mas1!br...@apple.com (Bite the Wax Tadpole)
> Y Y Y Y Y Matthew Allen <M.J....@stl.stc.co.uk>
> N N N N N mbu...@case.MENTOR.COM (Mike Butts)
> N N N N N mcafee.E...@xerox.com
> Y Y Y Y Y m...@presto.ig.com (Michael C. Berch)
> Y Y Y Y Y "Mike Beaty, Servowriter Engineering" <be...@cxunix.enet.dec.com>
> Y Y Y Y Y Mike Horne <mhorne%ka7axd.t...@RELAY.CS.NET>
> Y Y Y Y A Mike Northam ext 2651 <sns4!mbn%fpssu...@RELAY.CS.NET>
> Y Y Y Y Y Mike Weihman <mi...@hpsadpe.hp.com>
> Y Y Y Y N millbrook!l...@fibercom.com (Larry Johnson)
> Y Y Y Y Y mlef...@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Marc Lefebvre, Ireq, Hydro-Quebec, QC, Canada 514-652-8554)
> Y Y Y A A m...@sq.com (Mark Brader)
> N N N N N mwe...@sunbird.Central.Sun.COM (Mike Westerhof SE Chicago Metro)
> Y Y Y Y Y ne...@wcc.oz.au (Neil Murray)
> Y Y Y N Y NMR...@SATURN.LERC.NASA.GOV
> Y Y Y Y Y nob...@Kodak.COM (John Spoonhower)
> Y Y Y Y Y nov...@cod.nosc.mil (John W. Novotny)
> Y Y Y A A "Ofer Inbar" <c...@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu>
> Y Y Y Y Y ogicse!hpupora.nsr.hp.com!Mark.Zenier%ssc%hpu...@decwrl.dec.com
> N N N N Y "Oh brave new worm to have such features in't 15-Jan-1991 1358" <ta...@pstjtt.enet.dec.com>
> Y Y Y Y N opel!vk2bea!mic...@uunet.UU.NET
> Y Y Y Y Y orn...@Kodak.COM (Barry Ornitz)
> Y Y Y Y Y panix!Joseph....@cmcl2.NYU.EDU, panix!kc...@cmcl2.NYU.EDU
> Y Y Y Y Y Panos Economopoulos <pa...@db.toronto.edu>
> Y Y Y Y N Paul Gerwitz <ger...@Kodak.COM>
> Y Y Y Y Y pa...@shasta.Stanford.EDU (Paul A. Flaherty)
> Y Y Y Y Y pb...@midway.uchicago.edu (Peter B. Hayward)
> Y Y Y Y N p...@cs.brown.edu (Paul Howard)
> Y Y Y Y Y Phil Howard KA9WGN <ph...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
> Y Y Y Y Y p...@ukc.ac.uk
> Y Y Y Y Y po...@iceland.att.com (Mark B Colosia)
> Y Y Y Y Y psch...@alf.unomaha.edu (Paul W. Schleck KD3FU)
> Y Y Y Y Y railnet!r...@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu (Rick DeMattia)
> Y Y Y Y Y Randy Nelson VE3WRN <rne...@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>
> Y Y Y Y Y rb...@necis.nec.com (Rich Bono - NM1D)
> N N N N N Reality is the original Rorschach 18-Jan-1991 0932 <"dm_johnson"@helix.enet.dec.com>
> N N N N N re...@Kodak.COM (R.L.Christiansen, Engineering Research Division)
> Y Y Y Y Y re...@mozart.AMD.COM (David F. Reed)
> Y Y Y Y Y Richard H. Miller <ri...@pavlov.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu>
> Y Y Y Y Y rj...@surya.cs.virginia.edu
> Y Y Y Y Y "Rob Mayfield, ASC" <XT...@lv.sait.edu.au>
> N N N N N Robert P. Scott - Won't work without a net. <r...@decvax.dec.com>
> Y Y Y Y Y Roger Taylor <rta...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
> Y Y Y Y Y Ron Kirkpatrick <ronk%tektroni...@RELAY.CS.NET>
> Y Y Y Y A rsf...@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
> Y Y Y Y Y russ...@ihlpb.att.com
> Y Y Y Y Y scampbel%emdeng.day...@RELAY.CS.NET
> Y Y Y Y Y sch...@tahoe.unr.edu (Daniel C Schnell)
> Y Y Y Y Y s...@larry.sal.wisc.edu (Scott Ellington)
> Y Y Y Y Y se...@amix.commodore.com (Sean Petty)
> N N N N N "Sid B. Bernstein" (AED-EWD|ARCS) <si...@PICA.ARMY.MIL>
> N N Y Y Y s...@m-net.ann-arbor.mi.us (Sander J. Rabinowitz)
> Y Y Y Y Y sk...@echo.canberra.edu.au (Carl Makin)
> Y Y Y Y Y Skip La Fetra <f...@hpcuhb.cup.hp.com>
> N N N N N sk...@spot.Colorado.EDU (WU SHI-KUEI)
> N N N N N sta...@phoenix.com (John Stanley)
> Y Y Y Y N ste...@Atherton.COM (Steve Harding)
> N Y N Y Y st...@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Schallehn)
> N N N N Y ste...@decwrl.dec.com (Steven Philipson)
> Y Y Y Y Y sunriv!ro...@uunet.UU.NET
> Y Y Y Y Y "Suzy Mercer" <su...@midway.uchicago.edu>
> Y Y Y Y Y "System Manager" <sys...@n6vbg.hamavnet.com>
> Y Y Y Y Y Tadd <torb...@clutx.clarkson.edu>
> Y Y Y Y Y Ted Cowie <tvcent!t...@uunet.UU.NET>
> Y Y Y Y Y teda!je...@decwrl.dec.com (I know you are! But what am I?)
> Y Y Y Y Y teda!mi...@decwrl.dec.com (Mikel Lechner)
> Y Y Y Y N The Wandering Phew <ch...@apple.com>
> Y Y Y Y Y Thomas Alan Dockstader <td...@andrew.cmu.edu>
> Y Y Y Y Y "Thomas Stingl, DL5SBS" <STINGL%i70vca%iravcl.i...@RELAY.CS.NET>
> Y Y Y Y Y ti...@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Timothy D Aanerud)
> Y Y Y Y Y Timo Saarinen OH3YN <ts7...@tut.fi>
> Y Y Y Y Y Tom Haapanen <t...@mims-iris.waterloo.edu>
> N N N N N UUP...@HELIOS.LERC.NASA.GOV
> Y Y Y Y N va...@tegra.com
> N N N Y Y Visualize Whirled Peas <bre...@anarky.enet.dec.com>
> Y Y Y Y Y Walt....@DELOCN.UDEL.EDU
> N N N N N w...@Eng.Sun.COM (Dennis Henderson)
> Y Y Y Y Y wea...@news18.sfc.Sony.COM (Eric Weaver)
> N N N N N WHEL...@WSUVM1.CSC.WSU.EDU
> Y Y Y Y Y w...@frc.maf.govt.nz
> Y Y Y Y N "Wolfgang Tremmel, Postmaster" <tremmel%ira.u...@RELAY.CS.NET>
> Y Y Y Y Y wolves.uucp!g...@mcnc.org (Gregory G. Woodbury)
> Y Y Y Y Y woods@eci386 (Greg A. Woods)
> N N Y N N wul...@nprdc.navy.mil (Wally Wulfeck)
> Y Y Y Y N ww...@ciba-geigy.ch (Wolfgang Wetz)
> Y Y Y Y Y xanadu!je...@uunet.UU.NET (Jeff Crilly N6ZFX)
> Y Y Y Y Y zehntel!pe...@decwrl.dec.com (Peter Danan)
> - --
> Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
> jmay...@thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu | adequately be explained by stupidity.
> "Today is different from yesterday." -- State Department spokesman Margaret
> Tutwiler, 17 Jan 91, explaining why they won't negotiate with Saddam Hussein
>
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