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From: ohland@charter.net (Louis Ohland)
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Subject: Oh. I have a PCI Mini Tower...
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by: Louis Ohland - Thu, 18 Aug 2022 15:38 UTC

Been so long since I've had a PCI bussed Desktop or Mini Tower...

I wonder if this Dell Optiplex 7010 supports a PCI FDDI adapter.

FDDI
7010 <------> 9590 Direct connect, maybe an FDDI switch...

There isn't a USB FDDI adapter... Laptops don't have much for expansion....

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by: Louis Ohland - Thu, 18 Aug 2022 15:53 UTC

https://support.hpe.com/hpesc/public/docDisplay?docId=emr_na-c00342797

Description

The DEFPA adapters provide 100 Mbits-per-second FDDI LAN connectivity
for any PCI V2.1-compliant host platform and are backward compatible
with any PCI V2.0-compliant host platform. The DAS (Dual Attachment
Station) options can be connected as DAS, SAS (Single Attachment
Station), or dual homed adapters. Both SAS and DAS options can operate
in full duplex mode (OFF by default) when connected point-to-point with
a cooperating full duplex adapter or FDDI switch.

Louis Ohland wrote:
> Been so long since I've had a PCI bussed Desktop or Mini Tower...
>
> I wonder if this Dell Optiplex 7010 supports a PCI FDDI adapter.
>
> FDDI
> 7010 <------> 9590 Direct connect, maybe an FDDI switch...
>
> There isn't a USB FDDI adapter... Laptops don't have much for expansion....

Snap. Does Win 7 Pro support FDDI ?

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Subject: Snap. Does Win 7 Pro support FDDI ?
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by: Louis Ohland - Thu, 18 Aug 2022 16:06 UTC

Not very encouraging.

Louis Ohland wrote:
> https://support.hpe.com/hpesc/public/docDisplay?docId=emr_na-c00342797
>
> Description
>
> The DEFPA adapters provide 100 Mbits-per-second FDDI LAN connectivity
> for any PCI V2.1-compliant host platform and are backward compatible
> with any PCI V2.0-compliant host platform. The DAS (Dual Attachment
> Station) options can be connected as DAS, SAS (Single Attachment
> Station), or dual homed adapters. Both SAS and DAS options can operate
> in full duplex mode (OFF by default) when connected point-to-point with
> a cooperating full duplex adapter or FDDI switch.
>
> Louis Ohland wrote:
>> Been so long since I've had a PCI bussed Desktop or Mini Tower...
>>
>> I wonder if this Dell Optiplex 7010 supports a PCI FDDI adapter.
>>
>> FDDI
>> 7010 <------> 9590 Direct connect, maybe an FDDI switch...
>>
>> There isn't a USB FDDI adapter... Laptops don't have much for
>> expansion....

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by: Tomas Slavotinek - Thu, 18 Aug 2022 16:30 UTC

That's another thing I like about these OptiPlexes (OptiPlexi?) ...they
still give you one classic PCI slot.

On 18.08.2022 17:38, Louis Ohland wrote:
> Been so long since I've had a PCI bussed Desktop or Mini Tower...
>
> I wonder if this Dell Optiplex 7010 supports a PCI FDDI adapter.
>
> FDDI
> 7010 <------> 9590 Direct connect, maybe an FDDI switch...
>
> There isn't a USB FDDI adapter... Laptops don't have much for expansion....

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by: schimmi - Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:32 UTC

Depends on the formfactor the Optiplex comes (USFF/SFF/DT/MT) - not all of them have expansions slots.

For PCIe-only systems you might add something like https://www.exsys-shop.de/shopware/media/pdf/c5/9d/7f/datenblatt_datasheet_ex-1010.pdf

Tomas Slavotinek schrieb am Donnerstag, 18. August 2022 um 18:30:09 UTC+2:
> That's another thing I like about these OptiPlexes (OptiPlexi?) ...they
> still give you one classic PCI slot.
> On 18.08.2022 17:38, Louis Ohland wrote:
> > Been so long since I've had a PCI bussed Desktop or Mini Tower...
> >
> > I wonder if this Dell Optiplex 7010 supports a PCI FDDI adapter.
> >
> > FDDI
> > 7010 <------> 9590 Direct connect, maybe an FDDI switch...
> >
> > There isn't a USB FDDI adapter... Laptops don't have much for expansion....

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by: Louis Ohland - Thu, 18 Aug 2022 20:13 UTC

Mini Tower, full height cards. So what cards will work?

PCI 2.3 32-bits

PCIe x1 one PCI Express lane
PCIe x16 (wired as x4) 4 PCI Express lanes
PCIe x16 16 PCI express lanes

PCI 2.3 data width (maximum) – 32 bits:
Mini-Tower and Desktop
> one 120-pin connector

> PCI Express x1 data width (maximum) – one PCI Express lane:
> Mini-Tower and Desktop
> one 36-pin connector

> PCI Express x16 (wired as x4) data width (maximum) – four PCI Express lanes:
> Mini-Tower, Desktop, Small Form Factor
> one 164-pin connector

> PCI Express x16 data width (maximum) – 16 PCI Express lanes:
> Mini-Tower, Desktop, Small Form Factor
> one 164-pin connector

schimmi wrote:
> Depends on the formfactor the Optiplex comes (USFF/SFF/DT/MT) - not all of them have expansions slots.
>
> For PCIe-only systems you might add something like https://www.exsys-shop.de/shopware/media/pdf/c5/9d/7f/datenblatt_datasheet_ex-1010.pdf
>
> Tomas Slavotinek schrieb am Donnerstag, 18. August 2022 um 18:30:09 UTC+2:
>> That's another thing I like about these OptiPlexes (OptiPlexi?) ...they
>> still give you one classic PCI slot.
>> On 18.08.2022 17:38, Louis Ohland wrote:
>>> Been so long since I've had a PCI bussed Desktop or Mini Tower...
>>>
>>> I wonder if this Dell Optiplex 7010 supports a PCI FDDI adapter.
>>>
>>> FDDI
>>> 7010 <------> 9590 Direct connect, maybe an FDDI switch...
>>>
>>> There isn't a USB FDDI adapter... Laptops don't have much for expansion....

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by: Louis Ohland - Thu, 18 Aug 2022 20:22 UTC

NETELLIGENT 100 FDDI PCI ?

Louis Ohland wrote:
> PCI 2.3

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by: Tomas Slavotinek - Thu, 18 Aug 2022 20:53 UTC

Pretty much everything will work. Maybe except for some 64-bit PCI(-X)
adapters... but many of these will work even in a 32-bit slot (similar
to 16/32-bit MCA adapters).

And yeah it depends on the formfactor and generation of the machine of
course. But even most SFF OptiPlexi have expansion slots - low-profile
only but certainůy better than nothing. Most 2nd and 3rd gen Core
systems dropped classic PCI and legacy ports... not these boxes. And
they are really reliable and rather well designed too - especially for a
Dell machine.

On 18.08.2022 22:13, Louis Ohland wrote:
> Mini Tower, full height cards. So what cards will work?
>
> PCI 2.3 32-bits
>
> PCIe x1 one PCI Express lane
> PCIe x16 (wired as x4) 4 PCI Express lanes
> PCIe x16 16 PCI express lanes
>
> PCI 2.3 data width (maximum) – 32 bits:
> Mini-Tower and Desktop
>> one 120-pin connector
>
>> PCI Express x1 data width (maximum) – one PCI Express lane:
>> Mini-Tower and Desktop
>> one 36-pin connector
>
>> PCI Express x16 (wired as x4) data width (maximum) – four PCI Express
>> lanes:
>> Mini-Tower, Desktop, Small Form Factor
>> one 164-pin connector
>
>> PCI Express x16 data width (maximum) – 16 PCI Express lanes:
>> Mini-Tower, Desktop, Small Form Factor
>> one 164-pin connector
>
>
>
>
> schimmi wrote:
>> Depends on the formfactor the Optiplex comes (USFF/SFF/DT/MT) - not
>> all of them have expansions slots.
>>
>> For PCIe-only systems you might add something like
>> https://www.exsys-shop.de/shopware/media/pdf/c5/9d/7f/datenblatt_datasheet_ex-1010.pdf
>>
>>
>> Tomas Slavotinek schrieb am Donnerstag, 18. August 2022 um 18:30:09
>> UTC+2:
>>> That's another thing I like about these OptiPlexes (OptiPlexi?) ...they
>>> still give you one classic PCI slot.
>>> On 18.08.2022 17:38, Louis Ohland wrote:
>>>> Been so long since I've had a PCI bussed Desktop or Mini Tower...
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if this Dell Optiplex 7010 supports a PCI FDDI adapter.
>>>>
>>>> FDDI
>>>> 7010 <------> 9590 Direct connect, maybe an FDDI switch...
>>>>
>>>> There isn't a USB FDDI adapter... Laptops don't have much for
>>>> expansion....

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by: Tomas Slavotinek - Thu, 18 Aug 2022 20:58 UTC

That looks like a standard 32-bit PCI adapter. Should be compatible. But
I can't comment on the driver support.

Is this the machine/mobo you have?

https://www.pocitarna.cz/user/shop/big/5369-3_dell-optiplex-7010-mini-tower.jpg

On 18.08.2022 22:22, Louis Ohland wrote:
> NETELLIGENT 100 FDDI PCI ?
>
> Louis Ohland wrote:
>> PCI 2.3

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by: gfretwell@aol.com - Thu, 18 Aug 2022 23:01 UTC

On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 15:13:55 -0500, Louis Ohland <ohland@charter.net>
wrote:

>Mini Tower, full height cards. So what cards will work?
>
>PCI 2.3 32-bits
>
>PCIe x1 one PCI Express lane
>PCIe x16 (wired as x4) 4 PCI Express lanes
>PCIe x16 16 PCI express lanes
>
>PCI 2.3 data width (maximum) – 32 bits:
>Mini-Tower and Desktop
I have a bunch of these Dells. That was what my wife's office ran and
they chucked old ones every time MS released a new version of Windoze.
I just assume if the card fits it should work if you have the right
driver. It usually turns out to be true. The driver hunt can be
daunting if Dell doesn't have them at dell.com and Dell has been
flushing their older driver files. Good luck.

ASCII a stupid question, you get an EBCDIC answer.

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Subject	Author
Oh. I have a PCI Mini Tower...	Louis Ohland
Re: Oh. I have a PCI Mini Tower...	Louis Ohland
Snap. Does Win 7 Pro support FDDI ?	Louis Ohland
Re: Oh. I have a PCI Mini Tower...	Tomas Slavotinek
Re: Oh. I have a PCI Mini Tower...	schimmi
Re: Oh. I have a PCI Mini Tower...	Louis Ohland
Re: Oh. I have a PCI Mini Tower...	Louis Ohland
Re: Oh. I have a PCI Mini Tower...	Tomas Slavotinek
Re: Oh. I have a PCI Mini Tower...	Tomas Slavotinek
Re: Oh. I have a PCI Mini Tower...	gfretwell