Before I downgraded (and that is indeed how I'm starting to look at this
clusterfuck) to Supernova, I was able to see the sizes of the folders in
the folder pane. Now that ability has been deprecated. Does anybody know
how to restore this capability? It's so vital to me, that if I'm unable
to restore this feature, I will give up on 115 and go back to a
pre-Supernova version of TB.

TIA.
--
John C.

John C. wrote:
> Before I downgraded (and that is indeed how I'm starting to look at this
> clusterfuck) to Supernova, I was able to see the sizes of the folders in
> the folder pane. Now that ability has been deprecated. Does anybody know
> how to restore this capability? It's so vital to me, that if I'm unable
> to restore this feature, I will give up on 115 and go back to a
> pre-Supernova version of TB.
>
> TIA.

Nevermind, I found out how to do this:

1. Click on the three dots in the folder pane toolbar
2. Show folder size

Not sure how I could have missed that one. Actually it was very easy to
find once the caffeine kicked in.

--
John C.

On Wed, 20 Dec 2023 06:31:45 -0800, John C. wrote:
> John C. wrote:
> > Before I downgraded (and that is indeed how I'm starting to look at this
> > clusterfuck) to Supernova, I was able to see the sizes of the folders in
> > the folder pane. Now that ability has been deprecated. Does anybody know
> > how to restore this capability?

> Nevermind, I found out how to do this:
>
> 1. Click on the three dots in the folder pane toolbar
> 2. Show folder size

Thanks for posting! I never heard of this before, but I tried it and
it works just as you said. I need to purge outdated messages before I
approach my storage quota, and this will help me to concentrate on
the low-hanging fruit, i.e. the larger folders.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

Stan Brown wrote:
> John C. wrote:
>> John C. wrote:
>>> Before I downgraded (and that is indeed how I'm starting to look at this
>>> clusterfuck) to Supernova, I was able to see the sizes of the folders in
>>> the folder pane. Now that ability has been deprecated. Does anybody know
>>> how to restore this capability?
>
>> Nevermind, I found out how to do this:
>>
>> 1. Click on the three dots in the folder pane toolbar
>> 2. Show folder size
>
> Thanks for posting! I never heard of this before, but I tried it and
> it works just as you said. I need to purge outdated messages before I
> approach my storage quota, and this will help me to concentrate on
> the low-hanging fruit, i.e. the larger folders.

YW. And your reason for liking folder sizes showing is the same one I
have. However, instead of purging older messages, I use the
ImportExportTools NG extension:

https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/addon/importexporttools-ng/

to export them all to .eml files. I even manually arrange them into the
same archive subfolder structure I use in TB. Then I compress the entire
thing into a date-range-named .zip file and store that elsewhere on
another hard drive.

You'd be surprised how often having old emails comes in handy.

--
John C.

John C. wrote:
> Stan Brown wrote:
>> John C. wrote:
>>> John C. wrote:
>>>> Before I downgraded (and that is indeed how I'm starting to look at this
>>>> clusterfuck) to Supernova, I was able to see the sizes of the folders in
>>>> the folder pane. Now that ability has been deprecated. Does anybody know
>>>> how to restore this capability?
>>
>>> Nevermind, I found out how to do this:
>>>
>>> 1. Click on the three dots in the folder pane toolbar
>>> 2. Show folder size
>>
>> Thanks for posting! I never heard of this before, but I tried it and
>> it works just as you said. I need to purge outdated messages before I
>> approach my storage quota, and this will help me to concentrate on
>> the low-hanging fruit, i.e. the larger folders.
>
> YW. And your reason for liking folder sizes showing is the same one I
> have. However, instead of purging older messages, I use the
> ImportExportTools NG extension:
>
> https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/addon/importexporttools-ng/
>
> to export them all to .eml files. I even manually arrange them into the
> same archive subfolder structure I use in TB. Then I compress the entire
> thing into a date-range-named .zip file and store that elsewhere on
> another hard drive.
>
> You'd be surprised how often having old emails comes in handy.

Unfortunately though, I just noticed that when I collapse the Archives
folder, there isn't any total size provided for it as there was in the
earlier version of TB I was using. I can manually add the subfolder
sizes, but what an unnecessary PITA.

--
John C.

On Wed, 20 Dec 2023 16:40:01 -0800, John C. wrote:
> YW. And your reason for liking folder sizes showing is the same one I
> have. However, instead of purging older messages, I use the
> ImportExportTools NG extension:
>
> https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/addon/importexporttools-ng/
>
> to export them all to .eml files.

I don't purge an old message just because it's old. I evaluate
whether I need to keep each one, and if I do I save it to a file
before deleting. This requires looking at each message and making a
decision, and that's why I keep putting of the job.

When I displayed folder size, I found that two folders totaled more
storage than all the rest combined, so those two are where I'll
start.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

John C. wrote:
> Stan Brown wrote:
>> John C. wrote:
[..snip..]
>> Thanks for posting! I never heard of this before, but I tried it and
>> it works just as you said. I need to purge outdated messages before I
>> approach my storage quota, and this will help me to concentrate on
>> the low-hanging fruit, i.e. the larger folders.
>
> YW. And your reason for liking folder sizes showing is the same one I
> have. However, instead of purging older messages, I use the
> ImportExportTools NG extension:
>
> https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/addon/importexporttools-ng/
>
> to export them all to .eml files.

Why don't you just move them to the Local Folders in Thunderbird?
So you have them at hand everytime you want.

On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 00:35:56 +0100, Frank Miller wrote:
> Why don't you just move them to the Local Folders in Thunderbird?
> So you have them at hand everytime you want.
>

Because I regularly do mail from laptop and desktop. If I copied
them, then when I delete a local from one computer I'd have to
remember to delete it from the other one also.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

Frank Miller wrote:
> John C. wrote:
>> Stan Brown wrote:
>>> John C. wrote:
> [..snip..]
>>> Thanks for posting! I never heard of this before, but I tried it and
>>> it works just as you said. I need to purge outdated messages before I
>>> approach my storage quota, and this will help me to concentrate on
>>> the low-hanging fruit, i.e. the larger folders.
>>
>> YW. And your reason for liking folder sizes showing is the same one I
>> have. However, instead of purging older messages, I use the
>> ImportExportTools NG extension:
>>
>> https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/addon/importexporttools-ng/
>>
>> to export them all to .eml files.
>
> Why don't you just move them to the Local Folders in Thunderbird?

I don't like, use, and hide, local folders.

> So you have them at hand everytime you want.

IME, allowing email to build up eventually leads to program instability
after a certain point. That's why I periodically export it from my
profile and archive it as .eml files compressed into a .zip file.

--
John C.

On 12/23/2023 11:17 AM, John C. wrote:
> Frank Miller wrote:
>> John C. wrote:
>>> Stan Brown wrote:
>>>> John C. wrote:
>> [..snip..]
>>>> Thanks for posting! I never heard of this before, but I tried it and
>>>> it works just as you said. I need to purge outdated messages before I
>>>> approach my storage quota, and this will help me to concentrate on
>>>> the low-hanging fruit, i.e. the larger folders.
>>>
>>> YW. And your reason for liking folder sizes showing is the same one I
>>> have. However, instead of purging older messages, I use the
>>> ImportExportTools NG extension:
>>>
>>> https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/addon/importexporttools-ng/
>>>
>>> to export them all to .eml files.
>>
>> Why don't you just move them to the Local Folders in Thunderbird?
>
> I don't like, use, and hide, local folders.
>
>> So you have them at hand everytime you want.
>
> IME, allowing email to build up eventually leads to program instability
> after a certain point. That's why I periodically export it from my
> profile and archive it as .eml files compressed into a .zip file.
>

There's an article for limits.

https://kb.mozillazine.org/Limits_-_Thunderbird

With a 64-bit version of Thunderbird, you can make
better usage of the RAM on the computer. That allows you
to work with bigger collections.

Many times, practical limits come from the operating system.
Wikipedia would tell you, that NTFS can handle 4 billion files.
Well, actually, it can't. It would be too slow to finish for
one thing.

Writing those limit articles, isn't exactly easy, because
you have to be prepared to make a retraction and set a lower
limit, after people in the audience present cases where
it can't actually do what you said it could do. Apple released
a couple Tech Notes in the past, about file system limits, where
three months later, they re-released the note with somewhat lower
limits. This is just the nature of the beast. "Writing a limit article",
is just asking for trouble.

I suspect there are some 32-bit numbers involved in the Mork format,
and that may present some limitations eventually.

Normally, this is not an issue, when an email engine can only process
two of your messages per second. Building an extremely large folder
as a test case, that takes forever to do. Whereas people who have 50GB
email collections, they've done that over a period of 30 years, and
that's not something you can test in an hour or two on a PC.

Paul