On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 22:44:05 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Ken Blake wrote on 1/10/24 4:18 PM:
>> On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:36:49 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Adam H. Kerman wrote on 1/10/24 12:09 PM:
>>>> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>>>> I already had that installed. I just tried uninstalling
>>>>> adblock-for-youtube and I got the same message
>>>>
>>>> Did you force your cookie to expire or delete it?
>>>>
>>>> If you provide the URL I'll see what result I get.
>>>>
>>>
>>> +1
>>> Ken's URL that gives the message(""Ad blockers violate YouTube's Terms of
>>> Service") would be helpful
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zo6UfK7o7k&list=RD353DbFxtoG0&index=6
>>>
>>> The FF add-on is working fine on my Win10 Pro 22H2 and Win11 Pro 23H2
>>> devices - everything updated in Windows through Jan. 23 and FF running
>>> the latest release.
>
>No issues, no ads for that video in FF 120.0.1 using that FF add-on
>ad-blocker(Clean YouTube.
>
>Surprisingly, opening the same url/video in SeaMonkey 2.53.18, Edge, and
>Chrome opened and played the entire video without any ads - all browsers
>without any ad blocking add-ons installed.

I almost never run Edge but I just tried opening it and running
YouTube there.

No ads. I'll probably just use Edge for YouTube from now on and forget
about the problems with FireFox.

> - If one clicks on another video(link on the same page) in any or these
>3 browsers with no ad-block add-ons, the 'another' video starts with an
>advertisement before playing the video.
>=> Unlike FF with the ad-block add-on, clicking another video plays the
>'another' video without ads or any prompting that states 'Ad blockers
>violate YT'w TOS'.
>
>Which means => just be aware that a youtube video may play without ads in
>multiple different browsers on first or subsequent access even without
>the installation/presence of an ad-block add-on.
>
>Same as before, can't duplicate your reported condition...something else
>at your end is obviously in play, possibly....
>- one or more FF add-ons on your device conflicting with each other when
>accessing youtube video
>- FF settings, including your specific security ones, different than
>others using FF
>- Possibly conflict with items present(if using it) in your hosts file
>- something else (unknown atm or without further info)

On 1/10/2024 6:18 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:36:49 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Adam H. Kerman wrote on 1/10/24 12:09 PM:
>>> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>>> I already had that installed. I just tried uninstalling
>>>> adblock-for-youtube and I got the same message
>>>
>>> Did you force your cookie to expire or delete it?
>>>
>>> If you provide the URL I'll see what result I get.
>>>
>>
>> +1
>> Ken's URL that gives the message(""Ad blockers violate YouTube's Terms of
>> Service") would be helpful
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zo6UfK7o7k&list=RD353DbFxtoG0&index=6
>>
>> The FF add-on is working fine on my Win10 Pro 22H2 and Win11 Pro 23H2
>> devices - everything updated in Windows through Jan. 23 and FF running
>> the latest release.

Some web behaviors are not based on absolutes.

Google counts the number of times you used an adblocker,
and the message may show after some period of usage.

The intention is not to make the behavior reproducible.
Imagine if the behavior was absolute, and you just sat
around testing your weapons, one by one. How nice...

Paul

Ken Blake wrote on 1/11/24 6:47 AM:

> I almost never run Edge but I just tried opening it and running
> YouTube there.
>
> No ads. I'll probably just use Edge for YouTube from now on and forget
> about the problems with FireFox.

See the prior statement below>> Which means => just be aware that a
youtube video may play without ads in
>> multiple different browsers on first or subsequent access even without
>> the installation/presence of an ad-block add-on.

i.e. you will get ads in Edge operating without ad blocking add-ons or
extensions. Variation regarding ads in the YT viewing window and side
panel will and has always existed on YT.

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On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 12:06:40 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Ken Blake wrote on 1/11/24 6:47 AM:
>
>> I almost never run Edge but I just tried opening it and running
>> YouTube there.
>>
>> No ads. I'll probably just use Edge for YouTube from now on and forget
>> about the problems with FireFox.
>
>See the prior statement below>> Which means => just be aware that a
>youtube video may play without ads in
>>> multiple different browsers on first or subsequent access even without
>>> the installation/presence of an ad-block add-on.
>
>i.e. you will get ads in Edge operating without ad blocking add-ons or
>extensions. Variation regarding ads in the YT viewing window and side
>panel will and has always existed on YT.

OK. Thanks again

On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 07:56:33 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

> I just installed that. When I try to play something from YouTube, I
> get the message "Ad blockers violate YouTube's Terms of Service" and I
> can't proceed unless I allow ads or use YouTube Premium.

I've been using Enhancer for YouTube. It still works for me, but
apparently, they have taken a break?

<https://www.mrfdev.com/enhancer-for-youtube>

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s|b

On 8/21/23 10:21, solid hyrax wrote:
> On 8/21/23 16:05, RabidPedagog wrote:
>> On 2023-08-20 6:30 p.m., 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
>>> On 20/08/2023 23:06, carl@invalid.com wrote:
>>>> Whoops! Seems I didn't notice the 2020 date.  :o(
>>>
>>> One thing that most people don't know is that Google is going to
>>> define and accredit web browsers and those that fails Google's test
>>> (called Web Environment Integrity) then they will be barred/blocked
>>> from connecting to the web. This means most fringe browsers (that
>>> includes Firefox and its other variants) won't be able to connect. At
>>> first I thought this was a joke but no, it's a fact and some browser
>>> makers are taking it very seriously and asking the law makers to
>>> intervene.
>>>
>>> <https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/blob/main/explainer.md>
>>>
>>> Google is now the leader in Web technologies and people must take
>>> everything Google says, very very seriously. Firefox won't exist in 5
>>> years time so ignore FF completely. All other browsers are using
>>> Google's web engine so the standard set by Google becomes the LAW!!!
>>> People won't like it but Google and Microsoft are the dominant
>>> figures in the IT sector. Even Amazon and Oracle is worried about
>>> Google's "Integrity Test" because they have products that rely on Web
>>> technologies.
>>
>> Like in every other sector where there is a problem, open-source will
>> emerge with a solution to the problem. No, not Mozilla, I'm talking
>> about individuals or small groups of developers.
>>
> It's also worth noting that Microsoft has no other choice then to accept
> Google's Manifest v3 or run a soft fork of the whole chrome project.
> Plus they probably don't care about the downsides of it that we, the
> users, are concerned about.

The *also rans* (never thought I'd say that about MS!) should know that
the ONLY way they can escape google's claws is to side with and promote
the alternatives! You're either in the fight OR you bend over on your
belly on the edge of google's brass bed.