On 11/30/2023 3:16 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
> Nobody wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 14:34:19 -0700, Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/28/2023 11:43 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> Am 28.11.23 um 23:46 schrieb Jeff Barnett:
>>>>> In prior TB releases - the ones before the V15 SUPERNOVA - the hierarchy
>>>>> of threads were shown with connecting lines. That is no longer true. It
>>>>> is becoming more and more annoying as time passes because 1) threads
>>>>> seem to be longer than before and 2) the tendency to chop stuff out of
>>>>> the parent message when replying. Without the hierarchical lines it's
>>>>> difficult to find the parent (and maybe its parent) so you can tell what
>>>>> it's all about.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there anyway to restore the old style display? If not, is there any
>>>>> way to get the developers to forget the equation:
>>>>>           SUPERNOVA = climax ?
>>>>> In other words, quit masturbating, talk to users (or better, human
>>>>> factors types), and don't release such crap until it will be more
>>>>> appreciated than what it replaces.
>>>>
>>>> Are you trying to troll here? Like a small kid?
>>>
>>> Absolutely not.
>>>
>>> Rather I'm simply disgusted with the tasteless changes made to TB
>>> without polling users or anyone else for that matter.
>>
>> Then why are you bashing your head against *what is* with a freeware
>> app, and instead finding a suitable (to you) replacement?
>
> I think the answer to that may be the same as my reason for going back to
> Thunderbird - it's the best of a bad lot. However, the old users find it
> annoying that it is nowhere near as good as it used to be. Mailbird has
> distinct limitations, eM Client has different ones, Thunderbird used to be
> the best but has been wrecked by the developers, and Outlook, which was
> always the gold standard, has been similarly spoilt by unnecessary
> modifications.
>
> It's not just Thunderbird , the same applies to many programs, not least
> Windows itself, ruined by the need for marketing men and developers to
> justify their existence by continually changing things without purpose.
> They have lost the ability to change only that which needs improving.
I agree with everything said above. I noticed this "trend of arrogance"
from the early days of TB and FF - Netscape seemed a more sensible
product given the time of its existence. With both TB and FF I, on
multiple occasions, suggested to their respective forums that users pay
a small amount to use the software. Recall that most developers were
donating their time and not paid.
That was great but it meant the beginning of times when developers,
including designers (if any), were not beholding to the user community.
I had hoped that with a modest income, we might be able to better
control ego-driven changes that produced user problems.
Of course a loud swell of responses chastised me for daring to make such
a suggestion. Why wasn't everyone entitled to free software? I thought
the answer was no. I thought we were on the brink of the "you get what
you pay for" cliche. In my opinion, the user community has functioned as
a bunch of whining babies who want their bottle gratis.
An issue that interacts with all of this is the inevitable change of
standards and practices over time. If that were not the case we could
select an older version that met our needs and continue using it. So we
are pushed forward to use software that we have less and less say about.
Of course other providers have found it easier to make a profit by
turning to the commercial world for income. Both privacy and ease of use
are threatened but, by golly, we have our free net user software.
As said above, I'd rather pay something and have a small vote about what
came next.
--
Jeff Barnett

On 2023-11-30 09:09, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 29.11.23 23:07, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-11-29 18:20, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> On 29.11.23 16:21, Serdu wrote:
>>>> On 29-Nov-2023 07:52, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>> On 29.11.23 10:27, Jeff Layman wrote:
>>>>>> On 29/11/2023 06:45, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>>>> Am 29.11.23 um 05:09 schrieb Big Al:
>>>>>>>> Without the
>>>>>>>> line, threads are useless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LOL. They are not. Not at all. I use TB and BB and it is in the threaded
>>>>>>> view in both cases perfectly right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a little ambiguous. I understand that BB still shows thread
>>>>>> lines, but TB doesn't (and CSS modifications don't work). Are you simply
>>>>>> saying that you find both acceptable - TB without threaded lines and BB
>>>>>> with them?
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly. The reason why is very simple.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LOL ...and the reason is?
>>>
>>> Try to find out on your own. Keyword: Indendation.
>>
>> Nah, that's insufficient.
>
> Obviously it isn't for proficient users. *LOL*
>
>> And as a programmer, I use indentation.
>
> So what! That you are claiming to be programmer is irrelevant in this
> context. Completely irrelevant.

It is relevant, but I refuse to explain. Programmers will know why.

>

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 28 Nov 2023 15:46:39 -0700 Jeff Barnett wrote:
>In prior TB releases - the ones before the V15 SUPERNOVA - the hierarchy
>of threads were shown with connecting lines. That is no longer true. It
>is becoming more and more annoying as time passes because 1) threads
>seem to be longer than before and 2) the tendency to chop stuff out of
>the parent message when replying. Without the hierarchical lines it's
>difficult to find the parent (and maybe its parent) so you can tell what
>it's all about.
>
>Is there anyway to restore the old style display?

Have you seen this bug and discussion?
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1829470>

You'll notice that the UX guy - Alessandro - is anti.

I don't use Thunderbird for news, only for email. I use PAN when on Linux.
Are you on Windows?

--
(Remove numerics from email address)

On 30/11/2023 18:08, Dave Royal wrote:
> On 28 Nov 2023 15:46:39 -0700 Jeff Barnett wrote:
>> In prior TB releases - the ones before the V15 SUPERNOVA - the hierarchy
>> of threads were shown with connecting lines. That is no longer true. It
>> is becoming more and more annoying as time passes because 1) threads
>> seem to be longer than before and 2) the tendency to chop stuff out of
>> the parent message when replying. Without the hierarchical lines it's
>> difficult to find the parent (and maybe its parent) so you can tell what
>> it's all about.
>>
>> Is there anyway to restore the old style display?
>
> Have you seen this bug and discussion?
> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1829470>
>
> You'll notice that the UX guy - Alessandro - is anti.

Do you know what the assessment at
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1829470#a2294936_634666>
means?
S3 -> --
-- -> P3

And that was 7 months ago...

> I don't use Thunderbird for news, only for email. I use PAN when on Linux.

Does Pan have the connecting lines for long threads?

--

Jeff

On 11/30/2023 11:08 AM, Dave Royal wrote:
> On 28 Nov 2023 15:46:39 -0700 Jeff Barnett wrote:
>> In prior TB releases - the ones before the V15 SUPERNOVA - the hierarchy
>> of threads were shown with connecting lines. That is no longer true. It
>> is becoming more and more annoying as time passes because 1) threads
>> seem to be longer than before and 2) the tendency to chop stuff out of
>> the parent message when replying. Without the hierarchical lines it's
>> difficult to find the parent (and maybe its parent) so you can tell what
>> it's all about.
>>
>> Is there anyway to restore the old style display?
>
> Have you seen this bug and discussion?
> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1829470>
>
> You'll notice that the UX guy - Alessandro - is anti.
>
> I don't use Thunderbird for news, only for email. I use PAN when on Linux.
> Are you on Windows?
I'm using Windows 7 for the most part. I use TB for both mail and news
and neither provides the thread hierarchy lines I desire.

I took a brief look at the bugzilla discussion you referenced. Did you
notice the screen shot that showed a very (very very) tall header pane?
I wonder if the troll that displayed that realizes that TB offers
several different configurations of its sub windows? For example, I use
"Classic View" and could hit "F8" to take a peek at the view shown;
however, that loses visibility of message content for the nonce.
Further, some threads are too long for the approach show.

In any event, thanks for the reply and pointer.
--
Jeff Barnett

On 11/30/2023 1:57 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
> On 11/30/2023 11:08 AM, Dave Royal wrote:
>> On 28 Nov 2023 15:46:39 -0700 Jeff Barnett wrote:
>>> In prior TB releases - the ones before the V15 SUPERNOVA - the hierarchy
>>> of threads were shown with connecting lines. That is no longer true. It
>>> is becoming more and more annoying as time passes because 1) threads
>>> seem to be longer than before and 2) the tendency to chop stuff out of
>>> the parent message when replying. Without the hierarchical lines it's
>>> difficult to find the parent (and maybe its parent) so you can tell what
>>> it's all about.
>>>
>>> Is there anyway to restore the old style display?
>>
>> Have you seen this bug and discussion?
>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1829470>
>>
>> You'll notice that the UX guy - Alessandro - is anti.
>>
>> I don't use Thunderbird for news, only for email. I use PAN when on Linux.
>> Are you on Windows?
> I'm using Windows 7 for the most part. I use TB for both mail and news and neither provides the thread hierarchy lines I desire.
>
> I took a brief look at the bugzilla discussion you referenced. Did you notice the screen shot that showed a very (very very) tall header pane? I wonder if the troll that displayed that realizes that TB offers several different configurations of its sub windows? For example, I use "Classic View" and could hit "F8" to take a peek at the view shown; however, that loses visibility of message content for the nonce. Further, some threads are too long for the approach show.
>
> In any event, thanks for the reply and pointer.

His title is Product Manager, but "UX guy" is pretty close to it.

I often wonder what happens, when a planner misses some details,
how an organization corrects that.

We know how that was corrected for the Awesome Bar, many eons ago :-/
The tradition continues.

The places I've worked, wouldn't allow this sort of thing ("your own channel").

This would be an official announcement. Usually in corporations,
there is a review procedure before a release.

https://blog.thunderbird.net/2023/02/the-future-of-thunderbird-why-were-rebuilding-from-the-ground-up/

But this person also seems to "have their own channel",
if I've got the right person.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbmBY_XYZqCa2G0XmFA7ZWg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P28jZTobvM4 # 16 minutes

To analyze the last link, I used yt-dlp to capture the vid,
so I could fast-forward and see if any views of the
right pane were discussed.

Paul

On 30 Nov 2023 18:38:53 +0000 Jeff Layman wrote:
>
>Do you know what the assessment at
><https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1829470#a2294936_634666>
>means?
>S3 -> --
>-- -> P3
>
>And that was 7 months ago...
>
>Does Pan have the connecting lines for long threads?

P3 (1-5 where 5 is urgent) means it won't get done IME.

PAN has conecting lines. But more important for you, I suspect:

1 - it's a newsreader, not an email client with newsreader additions.
2 - the interface hasn't changed in the years I've used it.

<https://pan.rebelbase.com/screenshots/>

There's Windows version, I see. If you were using Win10 you could try
running it in WSL - I read that did GUI now. I'd like to know if that
works.

It doesn't do html btw, if that matters.

I expect there's a PAN ng to ask in.

--
(Remove numerics from email address)

On 11/30/2023 3:09 PM, Dave Royal wrote:
> On 30 Nov 2023 18:38:53 +0000 Jeff Layman wrote:
>>
>> Do you know what the assessment at
>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1829470#a2294936_634666>
>> means?
>> S3 -> --
>> -- -> P3
>>
>> And that was 7 months ago...
>>
>> Does Pan have the connecting lines for long threads?
>
> P3 (1-5 where 5 is urgent) means it won't get done IME.
>
> PAN has conecting lines. But more important for you, I suspect:
>
> 1 - it's a newsreader, not an email client with newsreader additions.
> 2 - the interface hasn't changed in the years I've used it.
>
> <https://pan.rebelbase.com/screenshots/>
>
> There's Windows version, I see. If you were using Win10 you could try
> running it in WSL - I read that did GUI now. I'd like to know if that
> works.
>
> It doesn't do html btw, if that matters.
>
> I expect there's a PAN ng to ask in.
>
>
>
I don't see any connecting lines in that screenshot. Should there be?

On 11/30/2023 3:17 PM, Big Al wrote:
> On 11/30/2023 3:09 PM, Dave Royal wrote:
>> On 30 Nov 2023 18:38:53 +0000 Jeff Layman wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you know what the assessment at
>>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1829470#a2294936_634666>
>>> means?
>>> S3 -> --
>>> -- -> P3
>>>
>>> And that was 7 months ago...
>>>
>>> Does Pan have the connecting lines for long threads?
>>
>> P3 (1-5 where 5 is urgent) means it won't get done IME.
>>
>> PAN has conecting lines. But more important for you, I suspect:
>>
>> 1 - it's a newsreader, not an email client with newsreader additions.
>> 2 - the interface hasn't changed in the years I've used it.
>>
>> <https://pan.rebelbase.com/screenshots/>
>>
>> There's Windows version, I see. If you were using Win10 you could try
>> running it in WSL - I read that did GUI now. I'd like to know if that
>> works.
>>
>> It doesn't do html btw, if that matters.
>>
>> I expect there's a PAN ng to ask in.
>>
>>
>>
> I don't see any connecting lines in that screenshot.  Should there be?

[Picture] This is Pan in WSLg in Windows 10

https://i.postimg.cc/SRm6WF7T/pan-newsreader-WSL-Win10.gif

Paul

On 11/30/2023 3:17 PM, Big Al wrote:
> On 11/30/2023 3:09 PM, Dave Royal wrote:
>> On 30 Nov 2023 18:38:53 +0000 Jeff Layman wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you know what the assessment at
>>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1829470#a2294936_634666>
>>> means?
>>> S3 -> --
>>> -- -> P3
>>>
>>> And that was 7 months ago...
>>>
>>> Does Pan have the connecting lines for long threads?
>>
>> P3 (1-5 where 5 is urgent) means it won't get done IME.
>>
>> PAN has conecting lines. But more important for you, I suspect:
>>
>> 1 - it's a newsreader, not an email client with newsreader additions.
>> 2 - the interface hasn't changed in the years I've used it.
>>
>> <https://pan.rebelbase.com/screenshots/>
>>
>> There's Windows version, I see. If you were using Win10 you could try
>> running it in WSL - I read that did GUI now. I'd like to know if that
>> works.
>>
>> It doesn't do html btw, if that matters.
>>
>> I expect there's a PAN ng to ask in.
>>
>>
>>
> I don't see any connecting lines in that screenshot.  Should there be?

The picture on this page, which might be from around 2015,
has the lines on it.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_%28Newsreader%29

Paul

On 11/30/2023 12:57 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
> I'm using Windows 7 for the most part. I use TB for both mail and news
> and neither provides the thread hierarchy lines I desire.
>
> I took a brief look at the bugzilla discussion you referenced. Did you
> notice the screen shot that showed a very (very very) tall header pane?
> I wonder if the troll that displayed that realizes that TB offers
> several different configurations of its sub windows? For example, I use
> "Classic View" and could hit "F8" to take a peek at the view shown;
> however, that loses visibility of message content for the nonce.
> Further, some threads are too long for the approach show.
>
> In any event, thanks for the reply and pointer.

Betterbird has taken care of that problem. You should try it.

"Features and fixes exclusive to Betterbird (new in the 115 series):

RESTORED - No more connecting lines in threaded view - Bug 1829470"

https://www.betterbird.eu/releasenotes/index.html

On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 18:38:53 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote:

> On 30/11/2023 18:08, Dave Royal wrote:
>> [snip]
>> I don't use Thunderbird for news, only for email. I use PAN when on
>> Linux.
>
> Does Pan have the connecting lines for long threads?

Well, that's an interesting question. I said yes because (a) I thought it
did and (b) I could see some on the screenshots page I posted. And they
are in the screenshot Paul posted.

But now I'm using it and mine doesn't! So either I've somehow turned them
off, or it's an option and I can't find it (among the 140 prefs in
preferences.xml), or it used to and doesn't any more - which rather
invalidates my point about the interface not having changed for ages.

Maybe someone in news.software.readers will know.
--
(Remove any numerics from my email address.)

On 12/1/2023 6:34 AM, Dave Royal wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 18:38:53 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote:
>
>> On 30/11/2023 18:08, Dave Royal wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>> I don't use Thunderbird for news, only for email. I use PAN when on
>>> Linux.
>>
>> Does Pan have the connecting lines for long threads?
>
> Well, that's an interesting question. I said yes because (a) I thought it
> did and (b) I could see some on the screenshots page I posted. And they
> are in the screenshot Paul posted.
>
> But now I'm using it and mine doesn't! So either I've somehow turned them
> off, or it's an option and I can't find it (among the 140 prefs in
> preferences.xml), or it used to and doesn't any more - which rather
> invalidates my point about the interface not having changed for ages.
>
> Maybe someone in news.software.readers will know.
>

I provided two pictures, and the design changed between
2015 and 2023. Pan used to have lines.

Paul

On 12/1/23 01:18 PM, this is what Paul wrote:
> On 12/1/2023 6:34 AM, Dave Royal wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 18:38:53 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote:
>>
>>> On 30/11/2023 18:08, Dave Royal wrote:
>>>> [snip]
>>>> I don't use Thunderbird for news, only for email. I use PAN when on
>>>> Linux.
>>>
>>> Does Pan have the connecting lines for long threads?
>>
>> Well, that's an interesting question. I said yes because (a) I thought it
>> did and (b) I could see some on the screenshots page I posted. And they
>> are in the screenshot Paul posted.
>>
>> But now I'm using it and mine doesn't! So either I've somehow turned them
>> off, or it's an option and I can't find it (among the 140 prefs in
>> preferences.xml), or it used to and doesn't any more - which rather
>> invalidates my point about the interface not having changed for ages.
>>
>> Maybe someone in news.software.readers will know.
>>
>
> I provided two pictures, and the design changed between
> 2015 and 2023. Pan used to have lines.
>
> Paul
>
Rats! and here I thought I found a thunderbird replacement.
--
Linux Mint 21.2 Cinnamon
Al

On 12/1/2023 3:10 PM, Big Al wrote:
> On 12/1/23 01:18 PM, this is what Paul wrote:
>> On 12/1/2023 6:34 AM, Dave Royal wrote:
>>> On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 18:38:53 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 30/11/2023 18:08, Dave Royal wrote:
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>> I don't use Thunderbird for news, only for email. I use PAN when on
>>>>> Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Does Pan have the connecting lines for long threads?
>>>
>>> Well, that's an interesting question. I said yes because (a) I
>>> thought it
>>> did and (b) I could see some on the screenshots page I posted. And they
>>> are in the screenshot Paul posted.
>>>
>>> But now I'm using it and mine doesn't! So either I've somehow turned
>>> them
>>> off, or it's an option and I can't find it (among the 140 prefs in
>>> preferences.xml), or it used to and doesn't any more - which rather
>>> invalidates my point about the interface not having changed for ages.
>>>
>>> Maybe someone in news.software.readers will know.
>>>
>>
>> I provided two pictures, and the design changed between
>> 2015 and 2023. Pan used to have lines.
>>
>>     Paul
>>
> Rats!  and here I thought I found a thunderbird replacement.

My replacement of choice is Betterbird.
The connecting lines have been restored.

"Features and fixes exclusive to Betterbird (new in the 115 series):

RESTORED - No more connecting lines in threaded view - Bug 1829470"

https://www.betterbird.eu/releasenotes/index.html

On 12/1/23 04:30 PM, this is what AllanH wrote:
> On 12/1/2023 3:10 PM, Big Al wrote:
>> On 12/1/23 01:18 PM, this is what Paul wrote:
>>> On 12/1/2023 6:34 AM, Dave Royal wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 18:38:53 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 30/11/2023 18:08, Dave Royal wrote:
>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>> I don't use Thunderbird for news, only for email. I use PAN when on
>>>>>> Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does Pan have the connecting lines for long threads?
>>>>
>>>> Well, that's an interesting question. I said yes because (a) I thought it
>>>> did and (b) I could see some on the screenshots page I posted. And they
>>>> are in the screenshot Paul posted.
>>>>
>>>> But now I'm using it and mine doesn't! So either I've somehow turned them
>>>> off, or it's an option and I can't find it (among the 140 prefs in
>>>> preferences.xml), or it used to and doesn't any more - which rather
>>>> invalidates my point about the interface not having changed for ages.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe someone in news.software.readers will know.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I provided two pictures, and the design changed between
>>> 2015 and 2023. Pan used to have lines.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>> Rats!  and here I thought I found a thunderbird replacement.
>
> My replacement of choice is Betterbird.
> The connecting lines have been restored.
>
> "Features and fixes exclusive to Betterbird (new in the 115 series):
>
> RESTORED - No more connecting lines in threaded view - Bug 1829470"
>
> https://www.betterbird.eu/releasenotes/index.html
>
One could hope then that TB will pick up on it.
--
Linux Mint 21.2 Cinnamon
Al

On 1 Dec 2023 16:10:38 -0500 Big Al wrote:
>
>Rats! and here I thought I found a thunderbird replacement.

You did! But it doesn't display these lines ;)

I used Netscape for news, then the Seamonkey milestone builds, then
briefly TB before giving it up. The trigger was the 'random expanding
threads' bug which seemed to go on for years. But I wanted scoring in
those days, and better filtering and PAN was best at that.

The fundamental problem is that TB is an email client and that's where the
maintainers' attention and priority is. This thread and many others
complains about unnecessary changes to the user interface. These don't
generally bother me: I may not like them (I particularly dislike the email
addressing 'pills') but I get used to them. They're driven entirely by
TB's role as an email client.

TB is a competent newsreader. It's good it exists. But it's a strange
choice for someone who doesn't like constant UI changes IMO. Using BB
seems like a good idea for this feature. Maybe Jorg K could give bug
1829470 a nudge if he's fixed it.
--
(Remove numerics from email address)

On 12/2/2023 3:01 AM, Dave Royal wrote:
> On 1 Dec 2023 16:10:38 -0500 Big Al wrote:
>>
>> Rats! and here I thought I found a thunderbird replacement.
>
> You did! But it doesn't display these lines ;)
>
> I used Netscape for news, then the Seamonkey milestone builds, then
> briefly TB before giving it up. The trigger was the 'random expanding
> threads' bug which seemed to go on for years. But I wanted scoring in
> those days, and better filtering and PAN was best at that.
>
> The fundamental problem is that TB is an email client and that's where the
> maintainers' attention and priority is. This thread and many others
> complains about unnecessary changes to the user interface. These don't
> generally bother me: I may not like them (I particularly dislike the email
> addressing 'pills') but I get used to them. They're driven entirely by
> TB's role as an email client.
>
> TB is a competent newsreader. It's good it exists. But it's a strange
> choice for someone who doesn't like constant UI changes IMO. Using BB
> seems like a good idea for this feature. Maybe Jorg K could give bug
> 1829470 a nudge if he's fixed it.

I've posted twice already that there is no connecting lines problem any
longer in Betterbird.
Bug 1829470 is mentioned on their Release Notes page as a "Features and
fixes exclusive to Betterbird (new in the 115 series)".

https://www.betterbird.eu/releasenotes/index.html

On 2 Dec 2023 03:31:28 -0600 AllanH wrote:
>
>I've posted twice already that there is no connecting lines problem any
>longer in Betterbird.
>Bug 1829470 is mentioned on their Release Notes page as a "Features and
>fixes exclusive to Betterbird (new in the 115 series)".
>
>https://www.betterbird.eu/releasenotes/index.html

Yes, I saw your posts. I think you didn't understand my comment about
Jörg giving (Thunderbird) bug 1829470 a nudge.

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On 12/2/2023 3:45 AM, Dave Royal wrote:
> On 2 Dec 2023 03:31:28 -0600 AllanH wrote:
>>
>> I've posted twice already that there is no connecting lines problem any
>> longer in Betterbird.
>> Bug 1829470 is mentioned on their Release Notes page as a "Features and
>> fixes exclusive to Betterbird (new in the 115 series)".
>>
>> https://www.betterbird.eu/releasenotes/index.html
>
> Yes, I saw your posts. I think you didn't understand my comment about
> Jörg giving (Thunderbird) bug 1829470 a nudge.
>
>

I misunderstood the "if he's fixed it" part of your post.

On 2 Dec 2023 04:11:06 -0600 AllanH wrote:
>On 12/2/2023 3:45 AM, Dave Royal wrote:
>> On 2 Dec 2023 03:31:28 -0600 AllanH wrote:
>>>
>>> I've posted twice already that there is no connecting lines problem any
>>> longer in Betterbird.
>>> Bug 1829470 is mentioned on their Release Notes page as a "Features and
>>> fixes exclusive to Betterbird (new in the 115 series)".
>>>
>>> https://www.betterbird.eu/releasenotes/index.html
>>
>> Yes, I saw your posts. I think you didn't understand my comment about
>> Jörg giving (Thunderbird) bug 1829470 a nudge.
>
>I misunderstood the "if he's fixed it" part of your post.

I was just being careful. I hadn't seen the lines in BB /myself/ and I
didn't want to make the same mistake I made about PAN.

And I don't know whether BB's fix for this can easily be be applied to the
FX codebase, e,g whether it has dependencies that can't be met in TB.

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On 12/2/2023 4:01 AM, Dave Royal wrote:

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> TB is a competent newsreader. It's good it exists. But it's a strange
> choice for someone who doesn't like constant UI changes IMO. Using BB
> seems like a good idea for this feature. Maybe Jorg K could give bug
> 1829470 a nudge if he's fixed it.

It's a competent newsreader, because it was written by Netscape.
(As part of Netscape Communicator.) The code development, started
an unbelievably long time ago (best guess, 25 years ago).

Netscape Messenger 4.5 ============+===> Mozilla Firefox/Thunderbird
Netscape Communicator Suite |
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+=== Seamonkey Suite (Thunderbird, epoch-frozen)
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+=== Eudora OSE === (discontinued)

You have two choices for stuff. Broken unsupported stuff (features missing).
Broken supported stuff (ruinous UI changes).

Forte Agent called, and winks at you from its "Windows 95 interface".
Well, it works, and it's earned the right to be winking.

Even EMACS can do USENET news. I made a joke about using it, and it
turns out there is more than one way to have EMACS do that. This is
why it's pretty damn hard, to make an exhaustive list of every NNTP client
ever made. They're everywhere. They're underneath rocks. but if you mention
them, the lizard users underneath the rock, will lash out at you :-)

Paul