There is a program for installing Puppy Linux into a folder on a Hard
dive, called LICK

https://github.com/noryb009/lick/releases/tag/v1.3.4

Just boot Puppy from the folder instead of creating a bootable DVD or
USB stick, but it only works on Puppy based distributions.

Are there other programs that can do that with other Linux distros like
Ubuntu or MX Linux?

Am Sonntag, 22. Mai 2022, um 08:52:31 Uhr schrieb Pent:

> Are there other programs that can do that with other Linux distros
> like Ubuntu or MX Linux?

For Ubuntu Wubi exist: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wubi

On 5/22/22 00:52, Pent wrote:
> There is a program for installing Puppy Linux into a folder on a Hard
> dive, called LICK
>
>  https://github.com/noryb009/lick/releases/tag/v1.3.4
>
> Just boot Puppy from the folder instead of creating a bootable DVD or
> USB stick, but it only works on Puppy based distributions.
>
> Are there other programs that can do that with other Linux distros like
> Ubuntu or MX Linux?

Microsoft has invested in their own distribution of Linux which runs
from Windows. Of course that is putting the cart (Window) before the
horse (Linux) better to put Linux on the fixed drive and run Windows
from a virtual machine(Thus Lunux would be protecting the
Windows from intrusions.)

bliss - brought to you by the power and ease of PCLinuxOS,
the Perfect Computer Linux Operating System.

and a minor case of hypergraphia

Pent wrote:
> There is a program for installing Puppy Linux into a folder on a Hard
> dive, called LICK
>
>  https://github.com/noryb009/lick/releases/tag/v1.3.4
>
> Just boot Puppy from the folder instead of creating a bootable DVD or
> USB stick, but it only works on Puppy based distributions.
>
That's not exactly what Lick is doing.

From Windows you run Lick and it installs Puppy to the hdd and it mod/s
the boot so that you can boot Puppy from the hdd instead of Win. So, to
me, the 'problem' is the boot mod.

That method/strategy has disadvantages compared to some other Puppy
alternatives like a frugal install which does NOT need to make changes
to the boot sector, but IS able to park essential Puppy elements on a
dir on the Win hdd.

> Are there other programs that can do that with other Linux distros like
> Ubuntu or MX Linux?
>
The newest fork of wubi is wubiuefi which supports up to Ub 20.04 and I
think other -ub/s which use Ubiquity installer.

Personally, if I wanted to put my linux/es on something faster than a
USB, I would put Ventoy on an SSD instead of a USB and just copy
whichever linux/es I wanted to the SSD.

--
Mike Easter

On 5/22/22 09:49, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

[snip]

>     Microsoft has invested in their own distribution of Linux which
> runs from Windows.  Of course that is putting the cart (Window) before
> the horse (Linux) better to  put Linux on the fixed drive and run
> Windows from a virtual machine(Thus Lunux would be protecting the
> Windows from intrusions.)
>
> bliss - brought to you by the power and ease of PCLinuxOS,
>   the Perfect Computer Linux Operating  System.
>
>     and a minor case of hypergraphia

That is what I do for programs that require Windows. Xubuntu host. Disk
speed matters, so I have both (host and virtual machines) on NVMe drives.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"One good schoolmaster is of more use than a hundred priests." -- Thomas
Paine (1737-1809)

On 5/22/22 00:52, Pent wrote:

> Are there other programs that can do that with other Linux distros like
> Ubuntu or MX Linux?

Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL):
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install

On 22/05/2022 18:32, Mike Easter wrote:
> Pent wrote:
>> There is a program for installing Puppy Linux into a folder on a Hard
>> dive, called LICK
>>
>>   https://github.com/noryb009/lick/releases/tag/v1.3.4
>>
>> Just boot Puppy from the folder instead of creating a bootable DVD or
>> USB stick, but it only works on Puppy based distributions.
>>
> That's not exactly what Lick is doing.
>
> From Windows you run Lick and it installs Puppy to the hdd and it mod/s
> the boot so that you can boot Puppy from the hdd instead of Win.  So, to
> me, the 'problem' is the boot mod.
>

Not a problem for me, or Win7 and Win10.

> That method/strategy has disadvantages compared to some other Puppy
> alternatives like a frugal install which does NOT need to make changes
> to the boot sector, but IS able to park essential Puppy elements on a
> dir on the Win hdd.
>
>> Are there other programs that can do that with other Linux distros
>> like Ubuntu or MX Linux?
>>
> The newest fork of wubi is wubiuefi which supports up to Ub 20.04 and I
> think other -ub/s which use Ubiquity installer.
>

Tried it after Marco's reply and searching for a newer version. Ubuntu
wont shut down for some reason, have to hold power button down and do a
hard reset.

> Personally, if I wanted to put my linux/es on something faster than a
> USB, I would put Ventoy on an SSD instead of a USB and just copy
> whichever linux/es I wanted to the SSD.
>

That formats the partition, which is a big no for me. Thanks anyway.

On 22/05/2022 09:47, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 22. Mai 2022, um 08:52:31 Uhr schrieb Pent:
>
>> Are there other programs that can do that with other Linux distros
>> like Ubuntu or MX Linux?
>
> For Ubuntu Wubi exist: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wubi
>

No longer supported, download link heads straight to the Ubuntu desktop
download page.

On 22/05/2022 15:49, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 5/22/22 00:52, Pent wrote:
>> There is a program for installing Puppy Linux into a folder on a Hard
>> dive, called LICK
>>
>>   https://github.com/noryb009/lick/releases/tag/v1.3.4
>>
>> Just boot Puppy from the folder instead of creating a bootable DVD or
>> USB stick, but it only works on Puppy based distributions.
>>
>> Are there other programs that can do that with other Linux distros
>> like Ubuntu or MX Linux?
>
>     Microsoft has invested in their own distribution of Linux which
> runs from Windows.  Of course that is putting the cart (Window) before
> the horse (Linux) better to  put Linux on the fixed drive and run
> Windows from a virtual machine(Thus Lunux would be protecting the
> Windows from intrusions.)
>
> bliss - brought to you by the power and ease of PCLinuxOS,
>   the Perfect Computer Linux Operating  System.
>
>     and a minor case of hypergraphia

I'll stick with Windows :)

Am Montag, 23. Mai 2022, um 09:49:12 Uhr schrieb Dex:

> No longer supported, download link heads straight to the Ubuntu
> desktop download page.

I forgot to mention that, sorry.

Am Montag, 23. Mai 2022, um 09:46:28 Uhr schrieb Dex:

> Tried it after Marco's reply and searching for a newer version.
> Ubuntu wont shut down for some reason, have to hold power button down
> and do a hard reset.

Please disable Plymouth in the boot options (disable quit and splash)
and then look what the problem is.

On 23/05/2022 10:15, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am Montag, 23. Mai 2022, um 09:46:28 Uhr schrieb Dex:
>
>> Tried it after Marco's reply and searching for a newer version.
>> Ubuntu wont shut down for some reason, have to hold power button down
>> and do a hard reset.
>
> Please disable Plymouth in the boot options (disable quit and splash)
> and then look what the problem is.
>

I get this trying to shutdown.

https://paste.pictures/eSOHFnqzY.jpg

Am Montag, 23. Mai 2022, um 11:04:44 Uhr schrieb Dex:

> On 23/05/2022 10:15, Marco Moock wrote:
> > Am Montag, 23. Mai 2022, um 09:46:28 Uhr schrieb Dex:
> >
> >> Tried it after Marco's reply and searching for a newer version.
> >> Ubuntu wont shut down for some reason, have to hold power button
> >> down and do a hard reset.
> >
> > Please disable Plymouth in the boot options (disable quit and
> > splash) and then look what the problem is.
> >
>
> I get this trying to shutdown.
>
> https://paste.pictures/eSOHFnqzY.jpg

Interesting. Which device is loop0 when running the OS?
I/o error normally means faulty drives/cables.

On 5/22/2022 10:49 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 5/22/22 00:52, Pent wrote:
>> There is a program for installing Puppy Linux into a folder on a Hard dive, called LICK
>>
>>   https://github.com/noryb009/lick/releases/tag/v1.3.4
>>
>> Just boot Puppy from the folder instead of creating a bootable DVD or USB stick, but it only works on Puppy based distributions.
>>
>> Are there other programs that can do that with other Linux distros like Ubuntu or MX Linux?
>
>     Microsoft has invested in their own distribution of Linux which runs from Windows.  Of course that is putting the cart (Window) before the horse (Linux) better to  put Linux on the fixed drive and run Windows from a virtual machine(Thus Lunux would be protecting the
> Windows from intrusions.)
>
> bliss - brought to you by the power and ease of PCLinuxOS,
>   the Perfect Computer Linux Operating  System.
>
>     and a minor case of hypergraphia

You can run rootless Linux graphical applications on Windows,
with no outward signs of the usual decorations. The beta version
for the Insider version of Windows10 was terribly jerky, but that
is fixed now. The Insider version of Windows10 is another name
for Windows 11.

They could have put this on Windows 10, but marketing said
not to.

This is a Ubuntu distro under the hood, in a couple containers.
With AMD graphics, you get a driver straight from the AMD site
to enable WSLg, while with NVidia graphics, the Windows Update
NVidia driver is good enough.

[Picture] If the frame is blank, right click and select "reload"

https://i.postimg.cc/9MWTXFgj/Dualing-Firefoxes.gif

I've already used this -- for cases where some UserAgent
sniffing activity requires a second browser with impeccable
credentials. And that would be the Linux one :-) Because I
don't like the incessant updating activity of the Windows one,
I just use an ESR on the Windows side.

Since the two profiles are in entirely different places,
they do not conflict.

The Ubuntu update activity is a bit different in this
environment, in that you type a command to do whatever
is in queue. There is a little less pestering. A nice model.

Since changing my graphics from AMD to NVidia, my VirtualBox 6
is working a little better, but it still isn't perfect. It isn't
qemu kvm good. So while I would normally suggest a decorated VM
window for this sort of thing, VirtualBox still isn't 100%.
(It was working for a bit, but some update damaged it.)

And I finally broke down and tried the Hyper-V interface...
and did not like the patronizing attitude. So back in the box
it goes. The thing is, Ben from Connectix showed them how
to design an interface. Why couldn't they have learned
something from that ? (Connectix used to be a Mac hw/sw
company until Microsoft bought it for the "Virtual PC" product,
which got ported to Windows.) The product succumbed to the
usual "form over function" disease.

Paul

On 5/23/22 16:41, Paul wrote:
> On 5/22/2022 10:49 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> On 5/22/22 00:52, Pent wrote:
>>> There is a program for installing Puppy Linux into a folder on a Hard
>>> dive, called LICK
>>>
>>>   https://github.com/noryb009/lick/releases/tag/v1.3.4
>>>
>>> Just boot Puppy from the folder instead of creating a bootable DVD or
>>> USB stick, but it only works on Puppy based distributions.
>>>
>>> Are there other programs that can do that with other Linux distros
>>> like Ubuntu or MX Linux?
>>
>>      Microsoft has invested in their own distribution of Linux which
>> runs from Windows.  Of course that is putting the cart (Window) before
>> the horse (Linux) better to  put Linux on the fixed drive and run
>> Windows from a virtual machine(Thus Lunux would be protecting the
>> Windows from intrusions.)
>>
>> bliss - brought to you by the power and ease of PCLinuxOS,
>>    the Perfect Computer Linux Operating  System.
>>
>>      and a minor case of hypergraphia
>
> You can run rootless Linux graphical applications on Windows,
> with no outward signs of the usual decorations. The beta version
> for the Insider version of Windows10 was terribly jerky, but that
> is fixed now. The Insider version of Windows10 is another name
> for Windows 11.
>
> They could have put this on Windows 10, but marketing said
> not to.
>
> This is a Ubuntu distro under the hood, in a couple containers.
> With AMD graphics, you get a driver straight from the AMD site
> to enable WSLg, while with NVidia graphics, the Windows Update
> NVidia driver is good enough.
>
>    [Picture]  If the frame is blank, right click and select "reload"
>
>    https://i.postimg.cc/9MWTXFgj/Dualing-Firefoxes.gif
>
> I've already used this -- for cases where some UserAgent
> sniffing activity requires a second browser with impeccable
> credentials. And that would be the Linux one :-) Because I
> don't like the incessant updating activity of the Windows one,
> I just use an ESR on the Windows side.
>
> Since the two profiles are in entirely different places,
> they do not conflict.
>
> The Ubuntu update activity is a bit different in this
> environment, in that you type a command to do whatever
> is in queue. There is a little less pestering. A nice model.
>
> Since changing my graphics from AMD to NVidia, my VirtualBox 6
> is working a little better, but it still isn't perfect. It isn't
> qemu kvm good. So while I would normally suggest a decorated VM
> window for this sort of thing, VirtualBox still isn't 100%.
> (It was working for a bit, but some update damaged it.)
>
> And I finally broke down and tried the Hyper-V interface...
> and did not like the patronizing attitude. So back in the box
> it goes. The thing is, Ben from Connectix showed them how
> to design an interface. Why couldn't they have learned
> something from that ? (Connectix used to be a Mac hw/sw
> company until Microsoft bought it for the "Virtual PC" product,
> which got ported to Windows.) The product succumbed to the
> usual "form over function" disease.
>
>    Paul

Thanks for the report, Paul.

bliss - brought to you by the power and ease of PCLinuxOS,
the Perfect Computer Linux Operating System.

and a minor case of hypergraphia

--
bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

On 5/23/2022 6:04 AM, Dex wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 10:15, Marco Moock wrote:
>> Am Montag, 23. Mai 2022, um 09:46:28 Uhr schrieb Dex:
>>
>>> Tried it after Marco's reply and searching for a newer version.
>>> Ubuntu wont shut down for some reason, have to hold power button down
>>> and do a hard reset.
>>
>> Please disable Plymouth in the boot options (disable quit and splash)
>> and then look what the problem is.
>>
>
> I get this trying to shutdown.
>
> https://paste.pictures/eSOHFnqzY.jpg
>

Try hitting "return" or "control-c" as a response.
Sometimes, while producing those long chains of
"this partition has been dismounted, but I will
continue to access it" behavior, there is also
something waiting on input, and a "return" is
sufficient to satisfy it.

Paul