Is it possible to save a checkpoint file in a backup directory then destroy
the database, create the database and then use this checkpoint file to recover the database the state prior to the destroy?

Rich

Hi Rich,

Short answer: Don't.

This is not the right way to do it as there are huge problems in getting the database to believe the checkpoint file is cool. You could end up with a very scrambled database configuration file

This is not what a checkpoint file is for. A checkpoint file is created so that you can do time based recoveries using th edatabsse journals.

What you want is a static backup created with either unloaddb or copydb. Those are designed for exactly this sort of task.

Marty

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Is it possible to save a checkpoint file in a backup directory then destroy the database, create the database and then use this checkpoint file to recover the database the state prior to the destroy?

Rich
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On Tuesday, 25 January 2022 at 06:12:09 UTC-8, Martin Bowes wrote:
> Hi Rich,
>
> Short answer: Don't.
>
> This is not the right way to do it as there are huge problems in getting the database to believe the checkpoint file is cool. You could end up with a very scrambled database configuration file
>
> This is not what a checkpoint file is for. A checkpoint file is created so that you can do time based recoveries using th edatabsse journals.
>
> What you want is a static backup created with either unloaddb or copydb. Those are designed for exactly this sort of task.
>
> Marty
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> From: Rich Ford <richf...@gmail.com>
> Sent: 25 January 2022 14:02
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> Subject: [Info-ingres] Recover Database
>
> Is it possible to save a checkpoint file in a backup directory then destroy the database, create the database and then use this checkpoint file to recover the database the state prior to the destroy?
>
> Rich
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Thanks for the quick reply.

Rich

> On Jan 25, 2022, at 9:01 AM, Rich Ford <richford990@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Is it possible to save a checkpoint file in a backup directory then destroy
> the database, create the database and then use this checkpoint file to recover the database the state prior to the destroy?
>

Possible, yes. It's not the simplest thing in the world to get right,
and you can't just rollforwarddb the checkpoint. I don't advise it
unless there is no other way to recover, and then I'd want to get
Tech Support involved.

Karl

Ah yes, the dreaded database identifier and binary editing of database
(CNF?) files....keep you all night long that will.

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> On Jan 25, 2022, at 9:01 AM, Rich Ford <richford990@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Is it possible to save a checkpoint file in a backup directory then
> destroy the database, create the database and then use this checkpoint
file to recover the database the state prior to the destroy?
>

Possible, yes. It's not the simplest thing in the world to get right, and
you can't just rollforwarddb the checkpoint. I don't advise it unless there
is no other way to recover, and then I'd want to get Tech Support involved.

Karl

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Rich Ford wrote:

> Is it possible to save a checkpoint file in a backup directory
> then destroy the database, create the database and then use this
> checkpoint file to recover the database the state prior to the
> destroy?

Like everyone else has said, I would discourage that approach.
The preferred tool for that situation is unloaddb.

That said, your disaster recovery plan should include all the steps
required to do just what you suggest. In the event of a total loss of
the facility (fire, flood, carpet moths) you need to be able to
reinstate your database on a new machine using the checkpoint.

I get the impression you are new to the site. You should ask if
anyone else there knows where the disaster plan is.

If they don't, your next step is to become a hero by writing it.

Roy

Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 2:00:06 AM, you wrote:

> This work ok for replication.

> I drop a production database, which removes ckp jnl dmp tmp data. (Non x100 db).

> Then:
> Createdb
> Ckpdb +j
> Rsync from DR server:ckp dmp jnl
> Copy aaaaaaaa.* from dmp to data
> Infodb to make sure
> Rollforwarddb to point in time
> Ckpdb +j

> No editing configs or iidbdb required.

> Am i missing something?

I would update iidatatabase.db_id in iidbdb to make it the database ID
of the old database. It's not a big deal but it means IPM will show
the correct database name.

And for DR purposes I'd make sure I was keeping all my Ingres user IDs
from iidbdb, and also my area and location definitions so they could
be recreated after the smoke clears.

Roy

> On Wed, 26 Jan 2022, 2:25 am Roy Hann,
> <specially@processed.almost.meat> wrote:

> Rich Ford wrote:
>
>> Is it possible to save a checkpoint file in a backup directory
>> then destroy the database, create the database and then use this
>> checkpoint file to recover the database the state prior to the
>> destroy?
>
> Like everyone else has said, I would discourage that approach.
> The preferred tool for that situation is unloaddb.
>
> That said, your disaster recovery plan should include all the steps
> required to do just what you suggest. In the event of a total loss of
> the facility (fire, flood, carpet moths) you need to be able to
> reinstate your database on a new machine using the checkpoint.
>
> I get the impression you are new to the site. You should ask if
> anyone else there knows where the disaster plan is.
>
> If they don't, your next step is to become a hero by writing it.
>
> Roy
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