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by: Paulo da Silva - Fri, 6 May 2022 18:29 UTC

Hi!

As a routine update, only one package was updated: snapd.

Why "needrestart" told me to restart all these services?!

systemctl restart colord.service NetworkManager.service nmbd.service
smbd.service ssh.service systemd-journald.service systemd-logind.service
systemd-resolved.service systemd-timesyncd.service systemd-udevd.service
udisks2.service whoopsie.service wpa_supplicant.service

Thanks for any comments.

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by: Bit Twister - Fri, 6 May 2022 19:00 UTC

On Fri, 6 May 2022 19:29:35 +0100, Paulo da Silva wrote:
> Hi!
>
> As a routine update, only one package was updated: snapd.
>
> Why "needrestart" told me to restart all these services?!

Note I run Mageia Linux and have no experience with "needrestart"

I do know when sysetmd detects a new service file it ask for you to
reload it or all services. Sounds like the message may have triggered
"needrestart" to suggest you to do whatever it asked.

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by: Paulo da Silva - Fri, 6 May 2022 20:45 UTC

Às 20:00 de 06/05/22, Bit Twister escreveu:
> On Fri, 6 May 2022 19:29:35 +0100, Paulo da Silva wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> As a routine update, only one package was updated: snapd.
>>
>> Why "needrestart" told me to restart all these services?!
>
> Note I run Mageia Linux and have no experience with "needrestart"
>
> I do know when sysetmd detects a new service file it ask for you to
> reload it or all services. Sounds like the message may have triggered
> "needrestart" to suggest you to do whatever it asked.
>
Anyway, why does a single package like snapd, which I could easily
remove, trigger so much services seeming not related at all?

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by: Aragorn - Fri, 6 May 2022 21:31 UTC

On 06.05.2022 at 21:45, Paulo da Silva scribbled:

> Às 20:00 de 06/05/22, Bit Twister escreveu:
> > On Fri, 6 May 2022 19:29:35 +0100, Paulo da Silva wrote:
> >> Hi!
> >>
> >> As a routine update, only one package was updated: snapd.
> >>
> >> Why "needrestart" told me to restart all these services?!
> >
> > Note I run Mageia Linux and have no experience with "needrestart"
> >
> > I do know when sysetmd detects a new service file it ask for you to
> > reload it or all services. Sounds like the message may have
> > triggered "needrestart" to suggest you to do whatever it asked.
> >
> Anyway, why does a single package like snapd, which I could easily
> remove, trigger so much services seeming not related at all?

Snaps run inside a chroot container, with some additional isolation in
place as well — e.g. at the level of dbus, et al. Presumably
the configuration data of certain daemons needs to be loaded into memory
anew before the containers can be reinitialized.

--
With respect,
= Aragorn

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by: stepore - Sat, 7 May 2022 05:53 UTC

On 5/6/22 12:00, Bit Twister wrote:
> I do know when sysetmd detects a new service file it ask for you to
> reload it or all services. Sounds like the message may have triggered
> "needrestart" to suggest you to do whatever it asked.
>

If systemd detects an existing unit file change, or a new service unit
file is created, it should only ever ask for a simple 'systemctl
daemon-reload'.

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by: Bit Twister - Sat, 7 May 2022 13:01 UTC

On Fri, 6 May 2022 22:53:58 -0700, stepore wrote:
> On 5/6/22 12:00, Bit Twister wrote:
>> I do know when sysetmd detects a new service file it ask for you to
>> reload it or all services. Sounds like the message may have triggered
>> "needrestart" to suggest you to do whatever it asked.
>>
>
> If systemd detects an existing unit file change, or a new service unit
> file is created, it should only ever ask for a simple 'systemctl
> daemon-reload'.

I agree, that is all I have ever seen on my install. Sounds like the
wraooer script has decided to always have user restart services to pick
up any possible service app changes.

Any time I want to run down systemdd problems like dependence or booting
problems I do a
systemd-analyze plot > /var/tmp/blame.svg
firefox /var/tmp/blame.svg &

other tools
systemd-analyze blame
systemd-analyze critical-chain

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by: Paulo da Silva - Sun, 8 May 2022 01:35 UTC

Thanks to all who responded.
Still confused why so much services restarted. I only have blender,
shotcut and pycharm-community as snap packages!

Regards.

Às 19:29 de 06/05/22, Paulo da Silva escreveu:
> Hi!
>
> As a routine update, only one package was updated: snapd.
>
> Why "needrestart" told me to restart all these services?!
>
> systemctl restart colord.service NetworkManager.service nmbd.service
> smbd.service ssh.service systemd-journald.service systemd-logind.service
> systemd-resolved.service systemd-timesyncd.service systemd-udevd.service
> udisks2.service whoopsie.service wpa_supplicant.service
>
> Thanks for any comments.
>

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by: Paulo da Silva - Sun, 8 May 2022 01:38 UTC

I have installed needrestart. It doesn't come with my distro (kubuntu).
It also informs if a running package is using a lib newly updated
(obsolete version).

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by: Paulo da Silva - Sun, 8 May 2022 01:40 UTC

Às 14:01 de 07/05/22, Bit Twister escreveu:
> On Fri, 6 May 2022 22:53:58 -0700, stepore wrote:
>> On 5/6/22 12:00, Bit Twister wrote:
>>> I do know when sysetmd detects a new service file it ask for you to
>>> reload it or all services. Sounds like the message may have triggered
>>> "needrestart" to suggest you to do whatever it asked.
>>>
>>
>> If systemd detects an existing unit file change, or a new service unit
>> file is created, it should only ever ask for a simple 'systemctl
>> daemon-reload'.
>
> I agree, that is all I have ever seen on my install. Sounds like the
> wraooer script has decided to always have user restart services to pick
> up any possible service app changes.
>
> Any time I want to run down systemdd problems like dependence or booting
> problems I do a
> systemd-analyze plot > /var/tmp/blame.svg
> firefox /var/tmp/blame.svg &
>
> other tools
> systemd-analyze blame
> systemd-analyze critical-chain

Thank you for these suggestions. I didn't know them :-)

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by: stepore - Sun, 8 May 2022 05:44 UTC

On 5/7/22 18:35, Paulo da Silva wrote:
> <snip> I only have blender,
> shotcut and pycharm-community as snap packages!

That doesn't sound right. You sure? If you're using snap you should have
some default base core, gtk and gnome packages installed as snaps too.
Unless you've deleted them. But that would probably break snapd.

what does 'snap list' show?

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by: stepore - Sun, 8 May 2022 05:54 UTC

On 5/6/22 11:29, Paulo da Silva wrote:
> Hi!
>
> As a routine update, only one package was updated: snapd.
>
> Why "needrestart" told me to restart all these services?!
>
> systemctl restart colord.service NetworkManager.service nmbd.service
> smbd.service ssh.service systemd-journald.service systemd-logind.service
> systemd-resolved.service systemd-timesyncd.service systemd-udevd.service
> udisks2.service whoopsie.service wpa_supplicant.service
>
> Thanks for any comments.
>

snapd has it's hooks in all these system services because they effect
the packages inside the snap 'containers'.

On a side note, if you're not using some of these you should disable
them. like smbd/nmbd (if you're not using windows files sharing, etc)
systemctl disable serviceunitname.service

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by: Paulo da Silva - Sun, 8 May 2022 17:16 UTC

Às 06:44 de 08/05/22, stepore escreveu:
> On 5/7/22 18:35, Paulo da Silva wrote:
>> <snip> I only have blender,
>> shotcut and pycharm-community as snap packages!
>
> That doesn't sound right. You sure? If you're using snap you should have
> some default base core, gtk and gnome packages installed as snaps too.
> Unless you've deleted them. But that would probably break snapd.
>
> what does 'snap list' show?
>

blender 3.1.2 2106 latest/stable blenderfoundation✓
classic
core 16-2.54.4 12834 latest/stable canonical✓ core
core18 20220309 2344 latest/stable canonical✓ base
pycharm-community 2022.1 276 latest/stable jetbrains✓
classic
shotcut 22.04.25 692 latest/stable meltytech✓
classic
snapd 2.55.3 15534 latest/stable canonical✓
snapd

I am using kubuntu 20.04, not ubuntu.

Regards

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by: Paulo da Silva - Sun, 8 May 2022 17:23 UTC

Às 06:54 de 08/05/22, stepore escreveu:
> On 5/6/22 11:29, Paulo da Silva wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> As a routine update, only one package was updated: snapd.
>>
>> Why "needrestart" told me to restart all these services?!
>>
>> systemctl restart colord.service NetworkManager.service nmbd.service
>> smbd.service ssh.service systemd-journald.service systemd-logind.service
>> systemd-resolved.service systemd-timesyncd.service systemd-udevd.service
>> udisks2.service whoopsie.service wpa_supplicant.service
>>
>> Thanks for any comments.
>>
>
> snapd has it's hooks in all these system services because they effect
> the packages inside the snap 'containers'.
>
> On a side note, if you're not using some of these you should disable
> them. like smbd/nmbd (if you're not using windows files sharing, etc)
> systemctl disable serviceunitname.service

Yes, I use samba.
Thanks.

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by: stepore - Mon, 9 May 2022 02:42 UTC

On 5/8/22 10:16, Paulo da Silva wrote:
> blender 3.1.2 2106 latest/stable blenderfoundation✓
> classic
> core 16-2.54.4 12834 latest/stable canonical✓ core
> core18 20220309 2344 latest/stable canonical✓ base
> pycharm-community 2022.1 276 latest/stable jetbrains✓
> classic
> shotcut 22.04.25 692 latest/stable meltytech✓
> classic
> snapd 2.55.3 15534 latest/stable canonical✓
> snapd
>
> I am using kubuntu 20.04, not ubuntu.

Desktop environment doesn't matter. if you're using snapd then it'll
still have its hooks into all those services.

For instance. snapd.socket unit file contains:
WantedBy=sockets.target

And sockets.target has all these type of unit files listed:
/etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/acpid.socket

/etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/apport-forward.socket

/etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/avahi-daemon.socket

/etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/cups.socket

/etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/snapd.socket

/etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/uuidd.socket

/etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/dirmngr.socket

/etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/gpg-agent-browser.socket

/etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/gpg-agent-extra.socket

/etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/gpg-agent-ssh.socket

/etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/gpg-agent.socket

/etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/pk-debconf-helper.socket

/etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/pulseaudio.socket

/snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target

/snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants

/snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/dbus.socket

/snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/systemd-initctl.socket

/snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/systemd-journald-audit.socket

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/snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/systemd-udevd-kernel.socket

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by: Paulo da Silva - Mon, 9 May 2022 16:17 UTC

Às 03:42 de 09/05/22, stepore escreveu:
> On 5/8/22 10:16, Paulo da Silva wrote:
>> blender            3.1.2      2106   latest/stable blenderfoundation✓
>> classic
>> core               16-2.54.4 12834 latest/stable
>> canonical✓          core
>> core18             20220309   2344   latest/stable
>> canonical✓          base
>> pycharm-community 2022.1     276    latest/stable jetbrains✓
>> classic
>> shotcut            22.04.25   692    latest/stable meltytech✓
>> classic
>> snapd              2.55.3     15534 latest/stable canonical✓
>> snapd
>>
>> I am using kubuntu 20.04, not ubuntu.
>
> Desktop environment doesn't matter. if you're using snapd then it'll
> still have its hooks into all those services.
>
> For instance. snapd.socket unit file contains:
> WantedBy=sockets.target
>
> And sockets.target has all these type of unit files listed:
> /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/acpid.socket
>
> /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/apport-forward.socket
>
> /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/avahi-daemon.socket
>
> /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/cups.socket
>
> /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/snapd.socket
>
> /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/uuidd.socket
>
> /etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/dirmngr.socket
>
> /etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/gpg-agent-browser.socket
>
> /etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/gpg-agent-extra.socket
>
> /etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/gpg-agent-ssh.socket
>
> /etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/gpg-agent.socket
>
> /etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/pk-debconf-helper.socket
>
> /etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/pulseaudio.socket
>
> /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target
>
> /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants
>
> /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/dbus.socket
>
> /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/systemd-initctl.socket
>
>
> /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/systemd-journald-audit.socket
>
>
> /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/systemd-journald-dev-log.socket
>
>
> /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/systemd-journald.socket
>
>
> /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/systemd-udevd-control.socket
>
>
> /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/systemd-udevd-kernel.socket
>
Ok, thank you.

Subject	Author
snapd update!!	Paulo da Silva
Re: snapd update!!	Bit Twister
Re: snapd update!!	Paulo da Silva
Re: snapd update!!	Aragorn
Re: snapd update!!	stepore
Re: snapd update!!	Bit Twister
Re: snapd update!!	Paulo da Silva
Re: snapd update!!	Paulo da Silva
Re: snapd update!!	Paulo da Silva
Re: snapd update!!	stepore
Re: snapd update!!	Paulo da Silva
Re: snapd update!!	stepore
Re: snapd update!!	Paulo da Silva
Re: snapd update!!	stepore
Re: snapd update!!	Paulo da Silva