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* Is TB 102 profile usable by Betterbird 115?Jeff Layman
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+* Is TB 102 profile usable by Betterbird 115?occam
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Is TB 102 profile usable by Betterbird 115?

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From: Jeff@invalid.invalid (Jeff Layman)
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Subject: Is TB 102 profile usable by Betterbird 115?
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 by: Jeff Layman - Fri, 17 Nov 2023 09:04 UTC

I'm staying with TB 102 at present, but thought it might be of interest
to look at BB 115 in relation to layout changes, etc, introduced in TB
115. I know BB 115 can use TB 115 profiles, but can it use TB 102
profiles *without* changing them to 115 profiles?

The first line of
<https://www.betterbird.eu/support/index.html#switch-tb-bb> states
"Betterbird is designed to be 100% compatible with Thunderbird of the
same version". That sort of implies BB 115 can't use TB 102 profiles,
but doesn't specifically state it. If it can't use them, could I install
BB 115 and let it create a 115 profile from TB's 102 profile, but in a
different folder, so the TB 102 profile remains unaffected in its TB folder?

--

Jeff

Re: Is TB 102 profile usable by Betterbird 115?

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From: hugybear@gmx.net (Jörg Lorenz)
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Subject: Re: Is TB 102 profile usable by Betterbird 115?
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 by: Jörg Lorenz - Fri, 17 Nov 2023 09:11 UTC

On 17.11.23 10:04, Jeff Layman wrote:
> I'm staying with TB 102 at present, but thought it might be of interest
> to look at BB 115 in relation to layout changes, etc, introduced in TB
> 115. I know BB 115 can use TB 115 profiles, but can it use TB 102
> profiles *without* changing them to 115 profiles?

Use *copies* of the 102-profiles. My recommendation is to use the
Profilemanager and place the FF- and TB-profiles in your personal
data-folder.

> The first line of
> <https://www.betterbird.eu/support/index.html#switch-tb-bb> states
> "Betterbird is designed to be 100% compatible with Thunderbird of the
> same version". That sort of implies BB 115 can't use TB 102 profiles,
> but doesn't specifically state it. If it can't use them, could I install
> BB 115 and let it create a 115 profile from TB's 102 profile, but in a
> different folder, so the TB 102 profile remains unaffected in its TB folder?

BB can use them exactly like TB.

--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

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 by: occam - Fri, 17 Nov 2023 15:11 UTC

On 17/11/2023 10:04, Jeff Layman wrote:
> I'm staying with TB 102 at present, but thought it might be of interest
> to look at BB 115 in relation to layout changes, etc, introduced in TB
> 115. I know BB 115 can use TB 115 profiles, but can it use TB 102
> profiles *without* changing them to 115 profiles?

TB 115 *cannot* use the profile of TB 102 (I've tried). Why would you
expect BB 115 to be able to do so, especially if it is compatible with
TB 115?

>
> The first line of
> <https://www.betterbird.eu/support/index.html#switch-tb-bb> states
> "Betterbird is designed to be 100% compatible with Thunderbird of the
> same version". That sort of implies BB 115 can't use TB 102 profiles,
> but doesn't specifically state it. If it can't use them, could I install
> BB 115 and let it create a 115 profile from TB's 102 profile, but in a
> different folder, so the TB 102 profile remains unaffected in its TB
> folder?
>

Re: Is TB 102 profile usable by Betterbird 115?

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From: RevvieQuar@Yahoo.com (Revvie Quar)
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Subject: Re: Is TB 102 profile usable by Betterbird 115?
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 by: Revvie Quar - Fri, 17 Nov 2023 15:57 UTC

On 11/17/2023 3:04, Jeff Layman took the time to scribe:
> I'm staying with TB 102 at present, but thought it might be of interest
> to look at BB 115 in relation to layout changes, etc, introduced in TB
> 115. I know BB 115 can use TB 115 profiles, but can it use TB 102
> profiles *without* changing them to 115 profiles?

Short answer: yes. It's been my experience that I can use my saved
profile from v102 for v115.
>
> The first line of
> <https://www.betterbird.eu/support/index.html#switch-tb-bb> states
> "Betterbird is designed to be 100% compatible with Thunderbird of the
> same version". That sort of implies BB 115 can't use TB 102 profiles,
> but doesn't specifically state it. If it can't use them, could I install
> BB 115 and let it create a 115 profile from TB's 102 profile, but in a
> different folder, so the TB 102 profile remains unaffected in its TB
> folder?

I think that'll do, sure. In the command line, add -p to it, so when it
opens, it will allow you to choose which desired profile to use.

However, the userChrome.css I used for v102 does NOT work for v115 which
required cobbling together a desired result from various sources, tips
and suggestions as well as using Developer Tool built into Betterbird to
find suggested script changes.

--
Revvie Quar

Gryphons ~RAWK!~

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 by: Jeff Layman - Fri, 17 Nov 2023 15:59 UTC

On 17/11/2023 15:11, occam wrote:
> On 17/11/2023 10:04, Jeff Layman wrote:
>> I'm staying with TB 102 at present, but thought it might be of interest
>> to look at BB 115 in relation to layout changes, etc, introduced in TB
>> 115. I know BB 115 can use TB 115 profiles, but can it use TB 102
>> profiles *without* changing them to 115 profiles?
>
> TB 115 *cannot* use the profile of TB 102 (I've tried). Why would you
> expect BB 115 to be able to do so, especially if it is compatible with
> TB 115?

I didn't "expect" it to do so, which is why I asked the question. TB 115
converts a 102 profile to a 115 profile. I wondered if BB 115 could to
the same with a TB 102 profile. From what you've said it can't, but Jörg
Lorenz suggests it can. Of course, the problem may be inconsistency.
From the BB support page on switching:

"Warning: We have had many support cases where things don't work in
mysterious ways after using the import function to import a Thunderbird
profile. This functionality comes directly from our Thunderbird base and
appears to be deficient. So please use with care. It's better to
manually copy a Thunderbird profile in the OS if you require a copy in
the first place instead of running Betterbird on an existing Thunderbird
profile. We're unable to support users who have used the import function."

--

Jeff

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Subject: Re: Is TB 102 profile usable by Betterbird 115?
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 by: Jörg Lorenz - Fri, 17 Nov 2023 16:43 UTC

On 17.11.23 16:11, occam wrote:
> On 17/11/2023 10:04, Jeff Layman wrote:
>> I'm staying with TB 102 at present, but thought it might be of interest
>> to look at BB 115 in relation to layout changes, etc, introduced in TB
>> 115. I know BB 115 can use TB 115 profiles, but can it use TB 102
>> profiles *without* changing them to 115 profiles?
>
> TB 115 *cannot* use the profile of TB 102 (I've tried). Why would you
> expect BB 115 to be able to do so, especially if it is compatible with
> TB 115?

Sure it can. Tried with BB and TB at least a dozen times.

--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

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 by: Jörg Lorenz - Fri, 17 Nov 2023 16:47 UTC

On 17.11.23 16:59, Jeff Layman wrote:
> Of course, the problem may be inconsistency.
> From the BB support page on switching:

No there are some minor limitations which are not relevant. 99% of the
users upgraded from 102 to 115 with their existing profiles.

But: You cannot simply turn back if you do not like it.

In the future use the profile manager:

Windows: "thunderbird -profilemanager" in the shell
Linux: Same in the Terminal Application

--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

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