I loaded the CD and started the driver download
but it wouldn't complete because it required to be
on the Admin Account.

https://postimg.cc/56j845h1

So I tried again

https://postimg.cc/dZ3Z0vSn

https://postimg.cc/qgv3wXMn

https://postimg.cc/3yhyv2ck

https://postimg.cc/sMdxkpyT

https://postimg.cc/Y48SLZFP

https://postimg.cc/Btjvthnh

https://postimg.cc/XGpnGJ4Z

At this point I think I'm just going to remove the
ByteeCC card. It's not worth it to maybe screw up
the 780.

Robert

I removed the card then restarted the computer and
it said it was loading drivers and I had to re-start the
computer. So I restarted it and everything looks OK.

I'm going to run mrimgs on both computers now.

Many thanks for all your good help,
Robert

I ran mrimgs on both computers and completed successfully.

The 780 was extremely fast! I started it and came in a few
minutes later to check on it and it was done! We did a good
job in cleaning the hard drive.

Again, many, many thanks for all your good help.

Robert

On 12/16/2021 12:47 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
> I loaded the CD and started the driver download
> but it wouldn't complete because it required to be
> on the Admin Account.
>
> https://postimg.cc/56j845h1 Need admin for driver install
>
> So I tried again
>
> https://postimg.cc/dZ3Z0vSn Autorun Renesas driver
>
> https://postimg.cc/qgv3wXMn Expected UAC prompt
>
> https://postimg.cc/3yhyv2ck InstallShield dialog
>
> https://postimg.cc/sMdxkpyT EULA tick box and Next
>
> https://postimg.cc/Y48SLZFP Finally, the Install button.
>
> https://postimg.cc/Btjvthnh Copyfiles stage.
>
> https://postimg.cc/XGpnGJ4Z Error 1309. D:\Files\rusb3ver.dll 50680 bytes?
>
> At this point I think I'm just going to remove the
> ByteeCC card. It's not worth it to maybe screw up
> the 780.
>
> Robert

The final destination for that file is C:\Program Files\Renesas Electronics

rusb3ver.dll <=== missing
Application
rusb3mon.exe \___ Lower right corner tray messages
rusb3mon.dll /
Driver <=== rusb3hub.inf, rusb3xhc.inf, and friends

*******

OK, lets look at my CD.

InstallShield 2010 SP1 Projects-120928.zip 998,440 bytes <=== rusbver.dll is in here
Setup.exe 10,142,928 bytes <=== (driver hidden in here)
setup.iss 633 bytes

You can copy those items off the CD and use the
driver setup at any time later. Using some ZIP
tool, you'd need to do a "Verify" to see if the
ZIP has a good or bad status and that's why it
cannot pull a copy of rusbver.dll out of there.

Name: rusb3ver.dll
Size: 50680 bytes (49 KiB)
SHA1: A1A2C4312FA32FB411FF66D0384AD113597A5ECC

My driver CD is version 3.0.23.0.

Mine is a Siig brand card, but the electrical design will
be very very similar to yours.

*******

The box may say:

"Needs no driver"

but what they really mean is:

"Needs no driver if you're using W8/W8.1/W10"

Windows 7 needs that driver, and that is why the
CD is in the box.

The CD should cover WinXP, Vista, and Windows 7.

Later hardwares, like if you bought an Asmedia-based card,
the driver would only cover Windows 7. There is lots of
hardware now, where WinXP and Vista were dropped.
Windows 7 is as low as the support goes now, and
there are even cases where Windows 7 is no longer
supported.

Paul

I just didn't know how to proceed and from
what you said about possibly screwing up the
780 so even you couldn't fix it I aborted it.

I appreciate you helping me to try and get it up
and running and normally I would but actually I
don't feel I need USB 3.0 on the 780 because we
cleaned the hd so well that it was lighting fast.
Also it was in a very awkward location in the rear
on the bottom.

I know we can put a tray in the front but this is
getting too involved just for USB 3.0. It's not
worth it. I would rather just leave everything as
is after all our hard work.

I realize the Win 7 won't be available in some
downloads in the future because it's no longer
supported by Microsoft. Maybe the CD doesn't
support Win 7 and that's why it failed?

Thanks,
Robert

On 12/16/2021 7:45 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> I just didn't know how to proceed and from
> what you said about possibly screwing up the
> 780 so even you couldn't fix it I aborted it.
>
> I appreciate you helping me to try and get it up
> and running and normally I would but actually I
> don't feel I need USB 3.0 on the 780 because we
> cleaned the hd so well that it was lighting fast.
> Also it was in a very awkward location in the rear
> on the bottom.
>
> I know we can put a tray in the front but this is
> getting too involved just for USB 3.0. It's not
> worth it. I would rather just leave everything as
> is after all our hard work.
>
> I realize the Win 7 won't be available in some
> downloads in the future because it's no longer
> supported by Microsoft. Maybe the CD doesn't
> support Win 7 and that's why it failed?
>
> Thanks,
> Robert

Well, the NEC chips were invented quite a while
ago. They were the *first* USB3 chips. That's
why they have a WinXP driver. Of all the brands,
this is the brand I expect the longest driver support.
And that is partially because for W8/W8.1/W10/W11
the support is right in the OS and no longer needs
user assistance.

No, I was making a general comment about the hardware
installation business. You have to read the
instructions, at least long enough to see if there
are any warnings about driver first or driver last,
when it's time to putting the card in. Some hardwares,
they can "pick up the wrong driver", a bad driver
which is already inside the OS. The instructions
can have a warning about that, so the user follows
the correct order of install.

I don't think there are any phantom XHCI drivers
hiding in Windows 7. For all the USB3 I've installed
here (three of them), it's always taken a driver package
from somewhere. For the other machine (the one I use
for test now), the OSes on it so far, have all the
drivers (Win10, Win11).

If there is no conflict over slot usage (you have
quite a few PCIe x1 cards), you could leave the
ByteCC in there. I think you could even give the
drivers another chance. It's just a question of whether
the CD is fully readable or not. It should be able to
get that file, but the file is probably inside a ZIP
on the disc.

My disc here for the Siig card, the CD was a pressed one,
rather than something the manufacturer burned with a
DVD burner. Normally, that means a good quality image
that is easy to read. It takes rewritable media and
careless reproduction, to make a disc in the box that
won't work. Usually the pressing plants are pretty
good about quality control, even when they're getting
less than a dollar a disc. The minimum quantity is around
10,000 discs or so.

Paul

I just have too much going on right now and we've
accomplished getting the 6TB external hd up and running
and the mrimgs and created new CD's and cleaned the 780 hd.
So all is well.

I followed the instructions,.. and it failed.

I don't want to maybe screw up the 780 doing this
after all the work we did because its not needed and I
won't be using it on the rear/bottom of the computer
anyway (which is on the floor).

I'll stay with what I have.

Thanks,
Robert

The 8500 is an excellent computer and the 780 is a good
auxiliary backup computer. The 780 uses the original 15 inch
Dell flat screen monitor that came with the 8200 so in a sense
the 8200 is still with us. The 8500 came with a 32 inch Dell
monitor.

However, I was going to say maybe this time next year I may
get a refurbished Dell computer and put in a Win 7 2TB hd clone
hd from the 8500 in case the motherboard in the 8500 ever goes
out; or maybe a blank 2TB HD, that could I restore the drive with
a mrimg?

Is that possible?

https://www.staples.com/refurbished+computers+with+windows+7/directory_refurbished+computers+with+windows+7

what do you think of this one?

https://www.staples.com/Refurbished-Dell-7010-SFF-Desktop-Core-i5-3-2Ghz-16GB-RAM-2TB-HDD-Windows-10-Pro/product_2446392

Robert

On 12/16/2021 11:42 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> The 8500 is an excellent computer and the 780 is a good
> auxiliary backup computer. The 780 uses the original 15 inch
> Dell flat screen monitor that came with the 8200 so in a sense
> the 8200 is still with us. The 8500 came with a 32 inch Dell
> monitor.
>
> However, I was going to say maybe this time next year I may
> get a refurbished Dell computer and put in a Win 7 2TB hd clone
> hd from the 8500 in case the motherboard in the 8500 ever goes
> out; or maybe a blank 2TB HD, that could I restore the drive with
> a mrimg?
>
> Is that possible?
>
> https://www.staples.com/refurbished+computers+with+windows+7/directory_refurbished+computers+with+windows+7
>
> what do you think of this one?
>
> https://www.staples.com/Refurbished-Dell-7010-SFF-Desktop-Core-i5-3-2Ghz-16GB-RAM-2TB-HDD-Windows-10-Pro/product_2446392
>
> Robert

For your first item, the query is not possible.

Windows 7 Refurbisher stopped being ship-able maybe a year ago.
There are terms in the Refurbisher package that define when
it can be used.

The machines Staples are showing you, are all Windows 10 Refurbisher.

If you want Windows 7 Refurbisher, those were leaking via Ebay
and seemingly "private sellers". They weren't coming from the
larger operations like JoySystems. You would not know what "grade" the
machines were - grade A with no scuffs, grade B with kick marks and busted
PCI slot retention plate, and so on. Everyone who sells refurbs uses poetic
license when it comes to grade, but some companies are worse at it than
others. An Ebay seller can put any terms they want in the advert.

*******

In the second example, the problem I have with SFF machines, is
replacing the power supply. Full sized desktops, the ATX supply is
stocked in a ton of places, and is relatively easy to get. SFF or USFF
machines are small and cramped inside. When you want to fit the ByteCC
card in one, you have to get out your screwdriver and fit the
smaller faceplate on it. Sometimes it is hard to find video cards that are
short both vertically and horizontally, to fit in a USFF. Whereas
a full size machine gives you more options.

Your Dell XPS 8500 is fitted with OEM DELL Win7. The OS could be transferred
to another Dell computer which is SLIC activated, as far as I know. The drivers
could differ, and Macrium (perhaps the paid version), has a capability to
change the drivers on a restore, so the OS can be moved to another OEM
machine of the same brand.

Your Dell OS won't run on a Lenovo machine, because it is a different OEM,
and the SLIC table declares the machine is a certain company and
the OS won't run unless the SLIC table name matches the OS name (Dell=Dell).

*******

To a first order approximation, acquiring another refurb is like a
totally independent machine. It will live on its own. It's unlikely
to be swapping boot drives with some other machine in your fleet.
While it is always possible you may succeed at one of these transitions,
from a planning perspective, the worst case it is won't work. Then you
have to run the machine with the OS provided on its hard drive.
Which today, is Windows 10.

And Windows 11 is not an option, since the hardware requirements are not
met today by refurbs. It might take a few more years, before refurbs that
are "Win11 Ready" start to appear as Refurbished machines.

It is unlikely you will see an XPS 8500 as a used machine in good order.
When the motherboard on my WinXP machine went out, I took a quick look and
it didn't look like I would find a motherboard close enough to the one I had.

Paul

So just go with what I have and hope the motherboard lasts
otherwise I have no choice but to go to Win10? correct?

I agree, I wouldn't be able to find another 8500.

Robert

On 12/17/2021 4:13 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
> So just go with what I have and hope the motherboard lasts
> otherwise I have no choice but to go to Win10? correct?
>
> I agree, I wouldn't be able to find another 8500.
>
> Robert
>

I don't have a good "guaranteed" strategy for continuity
in a Microsoft ecosystem. It's easier to do that with
Linux.

Windows 10 is a bit better about being moved between
machines. But it can still come up and say it is Not Activated
and, stay that way. But at least the driver situation is
a bit improved on Windows 10. I don't think Windows 7 holds
up quite as well when moved.

Paul

I thought we talked before about moving one
of my cloned Win 7 hd's from the 8500 to a Dell
9020 ?

https://www.google.com/search?q=dell+9020+computer,+12gb+ram&sxsrf=AOaemvIRUL0dqc6uR0CJJ-ABDLoUzIB0yg:1639771193753&source=lnms&tbm=shop&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjqqJDcz-v0AhWDDjQIHadmDTAQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1663&bih=894&dpr=1#spd=11358425375977034080

I'm just trying to think beyond the 8500. The trouble
is I have just too much on my plate and I have to wait
till next year sometime before I buy anything.

We've already have the 6TB external hd and CD's
and also the (2) power supplies which you said I
could use for either computer. Plus we have spare
bootable Win 7 hds for the 8500, and spare bootable
Win10 hd's for the 8500. It was a good thing you
took me through the process while it was still available.

I don't have any spare hd's for the 780 just the mrimgs.

Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert

I take it back, I just checked and I
have a spare bootable Win 7 hd for
the 780.

Robert

On 12/17/2021 3:25 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>
> I thought we talked before about moving one
> of my cloned Win 7 hd's from the 8500 to a Dell
> 9020 ?
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=dell+9020+computer,+12gb+ram&sxsrf=AOaemvIRUL0dqc6uR0CJJ-ABDLoUzIB0yg:1639771193753&source=lnms&tbm=shop&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjqqJDcz-v0AhWDDjQIHadmDTAQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1663&bih=894&dpr=1#spd=11358425375977034080
>
> I'm just trying to think beyond the 8500. The trouble
> is I have just too much on my plate and I have to wait
> till next year sometime before I buy anything.
>
> We've already have the 6TB external hd and CD's
> and also the (2) power supplies which you said I
> could use for either computer. Plus we have spare
> bootable Win 7 hds for the 8500, and spare bootable
> Win10 hd's for the 8500. It was a good thing you
> took me through the process while it was still available.
>
> I don't have any spare hd's for the 780 just the mrimgs.
>
> Thoughts/suggestions?
> Robert
>

I think you're prepared from a "valuable data" perspective.
Those backups of yours, probably have your email database or
mailboxes in them, so if you need to "transfer control" to the
780, you can.

But when my WinXP machine died, I really haven't been
able to move anything in a "Plug and Go" sense. Sure,
I have a new motherboard and new setup on it, but I
have "none of the conveniences of home". It's just
a machine, sitting there, waiting for me to reinstall
a lot of software.

I have had power supply failures here. The original HEC
supply from the year 2000. Several Antec supplies
(with leaking capacitors). The current generations
of supplies don't have leaking caps and have held up
quite well. Even the fans on them have been stellar
performers (have outlasted any reasonable expectation).

And yet, I still have a spare ATX here. When my refrigerator
died, I ran the car thermoelectric picnic cooler off that
ATX :-) So it's not wasted as a power source :-)

I want you to get some value out of this stuff. At the
rate you're going, your junk room will be as full as mine.

Paul

Oh, believe me I use the 8500 extensively and plan for it to
last a long, long time as well as the 780. That's why I've taken
the steps I've done and with your good help built a good backup
system so I don't loose my data and with the spare hd's and power
supplies to keep it going.

I'm just thinking of all the changes taking place and if
the 8500 motherboard fails. Of course there's the 780
as you say and it could take over quite well.

Many thanks,
Robert