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by: The Real Bev - Thu, 4 Apr 2024 22:59 UTC

On 4/4/24 12:16 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every
>>>>> one
>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
>>>>
>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.

WTF does TINEOE stand for?

>> This Is Not End Of Everything? Best I could come up with.
>>
>>> Why?
>>
>> Trump is better than Biden. Period. You vote against the greater evil.
>> Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
>
> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
> compromised by Putin.
>
> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>
> Was it the falling unemployment?
>
> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?

As long as our President was genuinely unpredictable Putin minded his
own business. Having a loose cannon on your side is frequently a good
thing. In a pissing contest between our loose cannon and N. Korea's
loose cannon, guess who backs down.

--
Cheers, Bev
"I read about this syndrome called hypochondria in a
magazine. I think I've got it." -- DA

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by: Sn!pe - Thu, 4 Apr 2024 23:10 UTC

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 4/4/24 12:16 PM, Alan wrote:
> > On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
> >> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
> >>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
> >>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
> >>>>> **every one else** wants him safely in jail where he can't cause
> >>>>> any more harm.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard
> >>>> both candidates to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
> >>>>
>
> WTF does TINEOE stand for?
>

There Is No Every One Else, ~obviously.~ Furrfu, TYOT.

> >>
> >> This Is Not End Of Everything? Best I could come up with.

[...]

--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator

My pet rock Gordon just is.

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by: Alan - Fri, 5 Apr 2024 05:02 UTC

On 2024-04-04 18:59, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 4/4/24 12:16 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
>>>>>> every one
>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
>>>>>
>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>
> WTF does TINEOE stand for?
>
>>> This Is Not End Of Everything? Best I could come up with.
>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>
>>> Trump is better than Biden. Period. You vote against the greater
>>> evil. Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
>>
>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
>> compromised by Putin.
>>
>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>
>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>
>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>
> As long as our President was genuinely unpredictable Putin minded his
> own business. Having a loose cannon on your side is frequently a good
> thing. In a pissing contest between our loose cannon and N. Korea's
> loose cannon, guess who backs down.
>

I notice how you shifted the comparison to North Korea suddenly.

And Trump was doing Putin's BIDDING, sunshine.

Putin meets with Trump.

Trump requests information on CIA assets around the world.

CIA assets start dying.

Do the math.

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by: Arno Welzel - Fri, 5 Apr 2024 09:42 UTC

Tamborino, 2024-04-01 02:55:

> This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
> update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.

RCS *is* end-to-end encrypted. But this is not mandatory, so using
unencrypted connections is possible. But the Google messaging app in
Android will show you if the recipient has RCS and also if the
connection is encrypted.

>
> Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end encryption
> is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/
>
> So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
> Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
> users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.

But this is not the fault of RCS.

--
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https://arnowelzel.de

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by: Alan - Fri, 5 Apr 2024 18:11 UTC

On 2024-04-05 05:42, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Tamborino, 2024-04-01 02:55:
>
>> This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
>> update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
>
> RCS *is* end-to-end encrypted. But this is not mandatory, so using
> unencrypted connections is possible. But the Google messaging app in
> Android will show you if the recipient has RCS and also if the
> connection is encrypted.
>

Incorrect.

RCS as implemented by Google has end-to-end encryption.

The RCS standard does not have encryption as a part of it.

>>
>> Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end encryption
>> is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/
>>
>> So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
>> Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
>> users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.
>
> But this is not the fault of RCS.

It is actually.

Apple is not prepared to adopt Google's encryption, and given that
Google can't be trust with your privacy (Google Chrome sweeping up
information while in incognito mode, anyone?), can you blame Apple?

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by: Chris - Sun, 7 Apr 2024 08:09 UTC

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/4/24 12:16 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
>>>>>
>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>
> WTF does TINEOE stand for?
>
>>> This Is Not End Of Everything? Best I could come up with.
>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>
>>> Trump is better than Biden. Period. You vote against the greater evil.
>>> Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
>>
>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
>> compromised by Putin.
>>
>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>
>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>
>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>
> As long as our President was genuinely unpredictable Putin minded his
> own business. Having a loose cannon on your side is frequently a good
> thing. In a pissing contest between our loose cannon and N. Korea's
> loose cannon, guess who backs down.

International diplomacy is not a playground pissing contest.

Trump is inept and a laughing stock around the world. He brought america
down to his gutter standard.

His only interest is himself. The first time he ran was to make money - and
he did hundreds of millions (including from your taxes) - and this time
it's to keep himself out of jail. He doesn't care about you or anyone else
in the US.

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by: Anonymous - Wed, 10 Apr 2024 03:14 UTC

Alan wrote:
> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
>>>>
>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>
>> This Is Not End Of Everything? Best I could come up with.
>>
>>> Why?
>>
>> Trump is better than Biden. Period. You vote against the greater evil.
>> Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
>
> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely compromised by Putin.
>
> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>
> Was it the falling unemployment?
>
> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>

United States GDP is fake and gay.

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by: Alan - Wed, 10 Apr 2024 14:47 UTC

On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
>>>>>> every one
>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
>>>>>
>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>
>>> This Is Not End Of Everything? Best I could come up with.
>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>
>>> Trump is better than Biden. Period. You vote against the greater
>>> evil. Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
>>
>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
>> compromised by Putin.
>>
>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>
>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>
>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>
>
> United States GDP is fake and gay.

Yes.

Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.

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by: Anonymous - Thu, 11 Apr 2024 03:28 UTC

Alan wrote:
> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>
>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything? Best I could come up with.
>>>>
>>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>> Trump is better than Biden. Period. You vote against the greater evil.
>>>> Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
>>>
>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely compromised by
>>> Putin.
>>>
>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>
>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>
>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>
>>
>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>
> Yes.
>
> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.

Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.

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by: Alan - Thu, 11 Apr 2024 03:47 UTC

On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
>>>>>>>> every one
>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>
>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything? Best I could come up with.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump is better than Biden. Period. You vote against the greater
>>>>> evil. Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
>>>>
>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
>>>> compromised by Putin.
>>>>
>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>
>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>
>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>
>>>
>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>
> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
> States can't? That's a tell right there.

And where do you get these supposed "facts"?

Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?

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by: Anonymous - Fri, 12 Apr 2024 02:55 UTC

Alan wrote:
> On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
>>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
>>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything? Best I could come up with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump is better than Biden. Period. You vote against the greater evil.
>>>>>> Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely compromised
>>>>> by Putin.
>>>>>
>>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>>
>>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>>
>> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
>> States can't? That's a tell right there.
>
> And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
>
> Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html

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by: Alan - Fri, 12 Apr 2024 03:17 UTC

On 2024-04-11 19:55, Anonymous wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
>>>>>>>>>> every one
>>>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
>>>>>>>>> candidates
>>>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything? Best I could come up with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump is better than Biden. Period. You vote against the
>>>>>>> greater evil. Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
>>>>>> compromised by Putin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>>>
>>> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
>>> States can't? That's a tell right there.
>>
>> And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
>>
>> Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/

Out of date.

>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/

Out of date.

>
> https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html

Out of date.

But moreover, this in no way supports the idea that the US GDP figures
are fake.

All it shows is that the US needs to ramp up its production...

....which it is doing:

<https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/us-army-is-close-to-producing-80000-155mm-shells-per-month/>

<https://www.army.mil/article/273152/us_army_and_industry_partners_mobilize_to_boost_us_artillery_production>

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by: Alan - Fri, 12 Apr 2024 03:36 UTC

And I forgot to ask:

Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
shells Russia can produce?

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by: Jolly Roger - Fri, 12 Apr 2024 15:36 UTC

On 2024-04-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
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>> Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
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>>>>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
>>>>>>>>>>> every one
>>>>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
>>>>>>>>>> candidates
>>>>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything? Best I could come up with.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump is better than Biden. Period. You vote against the
>>>>>>>> greater evil. Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
>>>>>>> compromised by Putin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>>>>
>>>> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
>>>> States can't? That's a tell right there.
>>>
>>> And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
>>>
>>> Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
>
> And I forgot to ask:
>
> Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
> shells Russia can produce?

Straight from Mother Russia, of course.

--
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by: Arno Welzel - Fri, 12 Apr 2024 16:26 UTC

Alan, 2024-04-05 20:11:

> On 2024-04-05 05:42, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Tamborino, 2024-04-01 02:55:
>>
>>> This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
>>> update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
>>
>> RCS *is* end-to-end encrypted. But this is not mandatory, so using
>> unencrypted connections is possible. But the Google messaging app in
>> Android will show you if the recipient has RCS and also if the
>> connection is encrypted.
>>
>
> Incorrect.
>
> RCS as implemented by Google has end-to-end encryption.
>
> The RCS standard does not have encryption as a part of it.

Yes, you're right. I stand corrected.

[...]
> Apple is not prepared to adopt Google's encryption, and given that
> Google can't be trust with your privacy (Google Chrome sweeping up
> information while in incognito mode, anyone?), can you blame Apple?

What is the difference? Messages get send anyway, just not encrypted
during transmission. But where is the security issue here?

It's more likely that Apple just does not want to implement stuff which
is not an official standard.

--
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by: Anonymous - Sat, 13 Apr 2024 06:05 UTC

Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2024-04-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-04-11 19:55, Anonymous wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
>>>>>>>>>>>> every one
>>>>>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
>>>>>>>>>>> candidates
>>>>>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything? Best I could come up with.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump is better than Biden. Period. You vote against the
>>>>>>>>> greater evil. Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
>>>>>>>> compromised by Putin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
>>>>> States can't? That's a tell right there.
>>>>
>>>> And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
>>>>
>>>> Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
>>>
>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
>>>
>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
>>>
>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
>>
>> And I forgot to ask:
>>
>> Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
>> shells Russia can produce?
>
> Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
>

The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
Ukraine is known from observations.

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by: Anonymous - Sat, 13 Apr 2024 06:27 UTC

Alan wrote:
> On 2024-04-11 19:55, Anonymous wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
>>>>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
>>>>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything? Best I could come up with.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump is better than Biden. Period. You vote against the greater evil.
>>>>>>>> Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely compromised
>>>>>>> by Putin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>>>>
>>>> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
>>>> States can't? That's a tell right there.
>>>
>>> And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
>>>
>>> Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
>
> Out of date.
>
>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
>
> Out of date.
>
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
>
> Out of date.
>
> But moreover, this in no way supports the idea that the US GDP figures are fake.
>
> All it shows is that the US needs to ramp up its production...

Which will take years, if at all.

> ...which it is doing:
>
> <https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/us-army-is-close-to-producing-80000-155mm-shells-per-month/>
>
> <https://www.army.mil/article/273152/us_army_and_industry_partners_mobilize_to_boost_us_artillery_production>
>

Which is not enough:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/10/politics/russia-artillery-shell-production-us-europe-ukraine/index.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-its-production-artillery-shells-has-soared-by-nearly-150-year-2024-03-21/

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by: Alan - Sat, 13 Apr 2024 15:53 UTC

On 2024-04-12 23:27, Anonymous wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-04-11 19:55, Anonymous wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange
>>>>>>>>>>>> Juju, every one
>>>>>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more
>>>>>>>>>>>> harm.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
>>>>>>>>>>> candidates
>>>>>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything? Best I could come up with.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump is better than Biden. Period. You vote against the
>>>>>>>>> greater evil. Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he
>>>>>>>>> was in?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
>>>>>>>> compromised by Putin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the
>>>>> United
>>>>> States can't? That's a tell right there.
>>>>
>>>> And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
>>>>
>>>> Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
>>>
>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
>>
>> Out of date.
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
>>
>> Out of date.
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
>>
>> Out of date.
>>
>> But moreover, this in no way supports the idea that the US GDP figures
>> are fake.
>>
>> All it shows is that the US needs to ramp up its production...
>
> Which will take years, if at all.

Which is already happening.

>
>> ...which it is doing:
>>
>> <https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/us-army-is-close-to-producing-80000-155mm-shells-per-month/>
>>
>> <https://www.army.mil/article/273152/us_army_and_industry_partners_mobilize_to_boost_us_artillery_production>
>>
>
> Which is not enough:
>
> https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/10/politics/russia-artillery-shell-production-us-europe-ukraine/index.html
>
> https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-its-production-artillery-shells-has-soared-by-nearly-150-year-2024-03-21/

And you believe what Russia says?

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by: Alan - Sat, 13 Apr 2024 15:53 UTC

On 2024-04-12 23:05, Anonymous wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2024-04-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-11 19:55, Anonymous wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> every one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> harm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates
>>>>>>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything? Best I could come up with.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Trump is better than Biden. Period. You vote against the
>>>>>>>>>> greater evil. Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he
>>>>>>>>>> was in?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
>>>>>>>>> compromised by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the
>>>>>> United
>>>>>> States can't? That's a tell right there.
>>>>>
>>>>> And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
>>>>
>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
>>>>
>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
>>>
>>> And I forgot to ask:
>>>
>>> Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
>>> shells Russia can produce?
>>
>> Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
>>
>
> The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
> Ukraine is known from observations.

But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.

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by: Jörg Lorenz - Sat, 13 Apr 2024 16:44 UTC

On 01.04.2024 02:55, Tamborino wrote:
> This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
> update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.

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by: Anonymous - Sun, 14 Apr 2024 05:03 UTC

Alan wrote:
> On 2024-04-12 23:05, Anonymous wrote:
>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-11 19:55, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything? Best I could come up with.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Trump is better than Biden. Period. You vote against the
>>>>>>>>>>> greater evil. Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
>>>>>>>>>> compromised by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
>>>>>>> States can't? That's a tell right there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
>>>>
>>>> And I forgot to ask:
>>>>
>>>> Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
>>>> shells Russia can produce?
>>>
>>> Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
>>>
>>
>> The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
>> Ukraine is known from observations.
>
> But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.

The United States produces some 150 Tomahawk cruise missiles a year.
Russia has expended somewhere around 5,000 similar missiles as of a
year ago. Russia hasn't run out.

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by: Alan - Sun, 14 Apr 2024 06:34 UTC

On 2024-04-13 22:03, Anonymous wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-04-12 23:05, Anonymous wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-04-11 19:55, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Juju,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more harm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything? Best I could come up with.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump is better than Biden. Period. You vote against the
>>>>>>>>>>>> greater evil. Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he
>>>>>>>>>>>> was in?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
>>>>>>>>>>> compromised by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and
>>>>>>>> the United
>>>>>>>> States can't? That's a tell right there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR
>>>>>>> shells?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>> And I forgot to ask:
>>>>>
>>>>> Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
>>>>> shells Russia can produce?
>>>>
>>>> Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
>>> Ukraine is known from observations.
>>
>> But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.
>
> The United States produces some 150 Tomahawk cruise missiles a year.
> Russia has expended somewhere around 5,000 similar missiles as of a
> year ago. Russia hasn't run out.

What does that prove, doofus?

For all you know, they have no more.

And where do you get your figures on how many "similar missiles" (does
that mean cruise missiles or just missiles?) Russia has used, doofus?
Russia again?

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by: Anonymous - Mon, 15 Apr 2024 02:49 UTC

Alan wrote:
> On 2024-04-13 22:03, Anonymous wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-12 23:05, Anonymous wrote:
>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-04-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-04-11 19:55, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything? Best I could come up with.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump is better than Biden. Period. You vote against the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> greater evil. Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
>>>>>>>>>>>> compromised by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
>>>>>>>>> States can't? That's a tell right there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I forgot to ask:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
>>>>>> shells Russia can produce?
>>>>>
>>>>> Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
>>>> Ukraine is known from observations.
>>>
>>> But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.
>>
>> The United States produces some 150 Tomahawk cruise missiles a year.
>> Russia has expended somewhere around 5,000 similar missiles as of a
>> year ago. Russia hasn't run out.
>
> What does that prove, doofus?

That Russia can outproduce the United States in weaponry at the very
least.

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by: Alan - Mon, 15 Apr 2024 04:22 UTC

On 2024-04-14 19:49, Anonymous wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-04-13 22:03, Anonymous wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-12 23:05, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-04-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-04-11 19:55, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orange Juju,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more harm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything? Best I could come up with.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump is better than Biden. Period. You vote against the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> greater evil. Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he was in?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
>>>>>>>>>>>>> compromised by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and
>>>>>>>>>> the United
>>>>>>>>>> States can't? That's a tell right there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR
>>>>>>>>> shells?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I forgot to ask:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
>>>>>>> shells Russia can produce?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
>>>>> Ukraine is known from observations.
>>>>
>>>> But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.
>>>
>>> The United States produces some 150 Tomahawk cruise missiles a year.
>>> Russia has expended somewhere around 5,000 similar missiles as of a
>>> year ago. Russia hasn't run out.
>>
>> What does that prove, doofus?
>
> That Russia can outproduce the United States in weaponry at the very
> least.

Simply wrong, doofus.

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by: Anonymous - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 05:10 UTC

Alan wrote:
> On 2024-04-14 19:49, Anonymous wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-13 22:03, Anonymous wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-04-12 23:05, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-04-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-11 19:55, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-10 23:28, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-09 23:14, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-04 09:44, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/4/24 9:10 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-03 18:51, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This Is Not End Of Everything? Best I could come up with.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump is better than Biden. Period. You vote against the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> greater evil. Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compromised by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was it the falling unemployment?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> United States GDP is fake and gay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
>>>>>>>>>>> States can't? That's a tell right there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And I forgot to ask:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
>>>>>>>> shells Russia can produce?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
>>>>>> Ukraine is known from observations.
>>>>>
>>>>> But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.
>>>>
>>>> The United States produces some 150 Tomahawk cruise missiles a year.
>>>> Russia has expended somewhere around 5,000 similar missiles as of a
>>>> year ago. Russia hasn't run out.
>>>
>>> What does that prove, doofus?
>>
>> That Russia can outproduce the United States in weaponry at the very
>> least.
>
> Simply wrong, doofus.

The industrial base of the United States has been hollowed out, and we
aren't producing more because we CAN'T. Stop being a retard.

https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2024/02/06/supplier-bottlenecks-threaten-us-navy-effort-to-grow-arms-stockpiles/

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Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Your Name
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Charlie
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Frank Slootweg
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Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	sms
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Frankie
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Your Name
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Wolf Greenblatt
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Alan
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Wolf Greenblatt
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Alan
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Alan
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Hank Rogers
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Your Name
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Hank Rogers
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Java Jive
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Sn!pe
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Alan
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	The Real Bev
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Alan
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	The Real Bev
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Sn!pe
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Alan
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Chris
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Anonymous
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Alan
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Anonymous
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Alan
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Anonymous
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Alan
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Anonymous
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Alan
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Alan
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Jolly Roger
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Anonymous
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Alan
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Anonymous
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Alan
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Anonymous
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Alan
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Anonymous
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Alan
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Your Name
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Anonymous
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Alan
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Alan
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Arno Welzel
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Alan
Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS me	Arno Welzel
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