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It's a boy!

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 by: Alan Browne- - Wed, 8 Nov 2023 04:51 UTC

Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is called
"pink". Can't have that.

Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.

Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all manual,
no "migration" nonsense...)

Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or more...

[iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

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 by: Alan Browne - Wed, 8 Nov 2023 05:01 UTC

On 2023-11-07 23:51, Alan Browne- wrote:
>
> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is called
> "pink".  Can't have that.
>
> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>
> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all manual,
> no "migration" nonsense...)
>
> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or more...
>
> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]

Neglected to mention:

Despite this late date, it shipped with Ventura (13.5) rather than
Sonoma (14.x). 13.5 was superseded on Aug 17.

So, methinks it was manufactured several months ago ...

Anyway, OS will update overnight, allegedly.

Also - I ordered it on day 0, received it today - but per the warranty
info the clock started on on day 0 (2023.11.01).

This is not right.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

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 by: Jörg Lorenz - Wed, 8 Nov 2023 05:36 UTC

Am 08.11.23 um 06:01 schrieb Alan Browne:
> On 2023-11-07 23:51, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>
>> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is called
>> "pink".  Can't have that.
>>
>> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>>
>> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all manual,
>> no "migration" nonsense...)
>>
>> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or more...
>>
>> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>
> Neglected to mention:
>
> Despite this late date, it shipped with Ventura (13.5) rather than
> Sonoma (14.x). 13.5 was superseded on Aug 17.
>
> So, methinks it was manufactured several months ago ...
>
> Anyway, OS will update overnight, allegedly.
>
> Also - I ordered it on day 0, received it today - but per the warranty
> info the clock started on on day 0 (2023.11.01).
>
> This is not right.

Why do you think this is of interest to anybody?
Thousands of similar machines are sold every day by Apple.

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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 by: gtr - Wed, 8 Nov 2023 08:00 UTC

On Nov 7, 2023 at 9:01:28 PM PST, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
wrote:

> On 2023-11-07 23:51, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>
>> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is called
>> "pink". Can't have that.
>>
>> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>>
>> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all manual,
>> no "migration" nonsense...)
>>
>> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or more...
>>
>> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>
> Neglected to mention:
>
> Despite this late date, it shipped with Ventura (13.5) rather than
> Sonoma (14.x). 13.5 was superseded on Aug 17.
>
> So, methinks it was manufactured several months ago ...
>
> Anyway, OS will update overnight, allegedly.
>
> Also - I ordered it on day 0, received it today - but per the warranty
> info the clock started on on day 0 (2023.11.01).
>
> This is not right.

May have to wait a bit on Sonoma:

https://www.macrumors.com/2023/11/07/14-inch-macbook-pro-m3-macos-sonoma-update-issue/

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 by: Alan Browne- - Wed, 8 Nov 2023 14:42 UTC

On 2023-11-08 00:36, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 08.11.23 um 06:01 schrieb Alan Browne:
>> On 2023-11-07 23:51, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is called
>>> "pink".  Can't have that.
>>>
>>> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>>>
>>> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all manual,
>>> no "migration" nonsense...)
>>>
>>> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
>>> more...
>>>
>>> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>>
>> Neglected to mention:
>>
>> Despite this late date, it shipped with Ventura (13.5) rather than
>> Sonoma (14.x).  13.5 was superseded on Aug 17.
>>>> So, methinks it was manufactured several months ago ...
>>
>> Anyway, OS will update overnight, allegedly.
>>
>> Also - I ordered it on day 0, received it today - but per the warranty
>> info the clock started on on day 0 (2023.11.01).
>>
>> This is not right.
>
> Why do you think this is of interest to anybody?
> Thousands of similar machines are sold every day by Apple.

Tell me what other parades you piss on?

This is a Mac group. It is interesting that a recently shipped new
model Mac is still on "last year's" OS.

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 by: Alan Browne- - Wed, 8 Nov 2023 14:42 UTC

On 2023-11-08 03:00, gtr wrote:
> On Nov 7, 2023 at 9:01:28 PM PST, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-11-07 23:51, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is called
>>> "pink". Can't have that.
>>>
>>> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>>>
>>> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all manual,
>>> no "migration" nonsense...)
>>>
>>> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or more...
>>>
>>> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>>
>> Neglected to mention:
>>
>> Despite this late date, it shipped with Ventura (13.5) rather than
>> Sonoma (14.x). 13.5 was superseded on Aug 17.
>>
>> So, methinks it was manufactured several months ago ...
>>
>> Anyway, OS will update overnight, allegedly.
>>
>> Also - I ordered it on day 0, received it today - but per the warranty
>> info the clock started on on day 0 (2023.11.01).
>>
>> This is not right.
>
> May have to wait a bit on Sonoma:
>
> https://www.macrumors.com/2023/11/07/14-inch-macbook-pro-m3-macos-sonoma-update-issue/

I have it on Ethernet as it is my desktop unit.

It did not update overnight as set - no idea why. I updated it this am
with no issues. (14.1.1).

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 by: Jörg Lorenz - Wed, 8 Nov 2023 17:32 UTC

On 08.11.23 15:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
> On 2023-11-08 00:36, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> Why do you think this is of interest to anybody?
>> Thousands of similar machines are sold every day by Apple.
>
> Tell me what other parades you piss on?
>
> This is a Mac group. It is interesting that a recently shipped new
> model Mac is still on "last year's" OS.

That *is always the case*. What do you think? They produce all machines
for the global pipeline one day before presentation?

--
De gustibus non est disputandum

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 by: Alan Browne - Wed, 8 Nov 2023 18:55 UTC

On 2023-11-08 12:32, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 08.11.23 15:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
>> On 2023-11-08 00:36, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Why do you think this is of interest to anybody?
>>> Thousands of similar machines are sold every day by Apple.
>>
>> Tell me what other parades you piss on?
>>
>> This is a Mac group. It is interesting that a recently shipped new
>> model Mac is still on "last year's" OS.
>
> That *is always the case*. What do you think? They produce all machines
> for the global pipeline one day before presentation?

That's what I was thinking too. That said, newsgroups are for
discussion - not your griping.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

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 by: Capt'n Butler - Wed, 8 Nov 2023 16:16 UTC

On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:
>
> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is called
> "pink".  Can't have that.
>
> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>
> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all manual,
> no "migration" nonsense...)
>
> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or more...
>
> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>

What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?

--
I've reached the age where falling asleep on the couch has nothing to do
with coming home drunk

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 by: Jolly Roger - Thu, 9 Nov 2023 04:42 UTC

On 2023-11-08, Capt'n Butler <rhett@tara.net> wrote:
> On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>
>> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
>> called "pink".  Can't have that.
>>
>> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>>
>> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
>> manual, no "migration" nonsense...)
>>
>> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
>> more...
>>
>> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>
> What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?

I had the same reaction. There's not much to dislike. It's generally an
excellent way to transfer your data from one Mac to another.

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 by: gtr - Thu, 9 Nov 2023 07:17 UTC

On Nov 8, 2023 at 8:42:33 PM PST, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2023-11-08, Capt'n Butler <rhett@tara.net> wrote:
>> On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
>>> called "pink". Can't have that.
>>>
>>> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>>>
>>> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
>>> manual, no "migration" nonsense...)
>>>
>>> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
>>> more...
>>>
>>> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>>
>> What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?
>
> I had the same reaction. There's not much to dislike. It's generally an
> excellent way to transfer your data from one Mac to another.

It's a dream. I love it.

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 by: Alan Browne- - Thu, 9 Nov 2023 22:42 UTC

On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
> On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>
>> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
>> called "pink".  Can't have that.
>>
>> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>>
>> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all manual,
>> no "migration" nonsense...)
>>
>> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
>> more...
>>
>> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>>
>
> What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?

I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s).

IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move over,
re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on. Also used it for work
as files were copying over. My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
monitors at present (one is off and behind). Old Mac is in Screen
Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay on one
keyboard, trackpad...

One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't. Puts it up in
ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...

The workaround for this needs some study (need to execute some weird
terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!). I'll get to it
over the weekend once I figure it out...

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 by: Alan - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 01:34 UTC

On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
> On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
>> On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
>>> called "pink".  Can't have that.
>>>
>>> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>>>
>>> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
>>> manual, no "migration" nonsense...)
>>>
>>> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
>>> more...
>>>
>>> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>>>
>>
>> What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?
>
>
> I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s).
>
> IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move over,
> re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on.  Also used it for work
> as files were copying over.  My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
> monitors at present (one is off and behind).  Old Mac is in Screen
> Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay on one
> keyboard, trackpad...
>
> One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
> preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't.  Puts it up in
> ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...
>
> The workaround for this needs some study  (need to execute some weird
> terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!).  I'll get to it
> over the weekend once I figure it out...
>

You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your time
and date formats?

I find that highly doubtful.

<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>

'To customize formats, do any of the following:

Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month, then year.'

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 by: Capt'n Butler - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 14:50 UTC

On 11/9/23 5:42 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:
> On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
>> On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
>>> called "pink".  Can't have that.
>>>
>>> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>>>
>>> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
>>> manual, no "migration" nonsense...)
>>>
>>> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
>>> more...
>>>
>>> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>>>
>>
>> What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?
>
>
> I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s).
>
> IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move over,
> re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on.  Also used it for work
> as files were copying over.  My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
> monitors at present (one is off and behind).  Old Mac is in Screen
> Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay on one
> keyboard, trackpad...
>
> One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
> preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't.  Puts it up in
> ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...
>
> The workaround for this needs some study  (need to execute some weird
> terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!).  I'll get to it
> over the weekend once I figure it out...
>
Well that is a snoot full :-)

--
When did Western society decide that instead of helping mentally ill
people, we should indulge their delusions 100% and allow them to set
policy for the rest of us?

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 by: gtr - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 20:02 UTC

On Nov 9, 2023 at 5:34:39 PM PST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
>> On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
>>> On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
>>>> called "pink". Can't have that.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>>>>
>>>> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
>>>> manual, no "migration" nonsense...)
>>>>
>>>> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
>>>> more...
>>>>
>>>> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>>>>
>>>
>>> What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?
>>
>>
>> I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s).
>>
>> IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move over,
>> re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on. Also used it for work
>> as files were copying over. My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
>> monitors at present (one is off and behind). Old Mac is in Screen
>> Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay on one
>> keyboard, trackpad...
>>
>> One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
>> preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't. Puts it up in
>> ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...
>>
>> The workaround for this needs some study (need to execute some weird
>> terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!). I'll get to it
>> over the weekend once I figure it out...
>>
>
> You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your time
> and date formats?
>
> I find that highly doubtful.
>
> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>
>
> 'To customize formats, do any of the following:
>
> Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month, then year.'

Just for grins I messed with this, changed the date format, and found it had
no effect on the display date for listed files in Finder.

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 by: Alan - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 20:34 UTC

On 2023-11-10 12:02, gtr wrote:
> On Nov 9, 2023 at 5:34:39 PM PST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
>>>> On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
>>>>> called "pink". Can't have that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
>>>>> manual, no "migration" nonsense...)
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
>>>>> more...
>>>>>
>>>>> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?
>>>
>>>
>>> I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s).
>>>
>>> IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move over,
>>> re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on. Also used it for work
>>> as files were copying over. My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
>>> monitors at present (one is off and behind). Old Mac is in Screen
>>> Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay on one
>>> keyboard, trackpad...
>>>
>>> One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
>>> preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't. Puts it up in
>>> ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...
>>>
>>> The workaround for this needs some study (need to execute some weird
>>> terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!). I'll get to it
>>> over the weekend once I figure it out...
>>>
>>
>> You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your time
>> and date formats?
>>
>> I find that highly doubtful.
>>
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>
>>
>> 'To customize formats, do any of the following:
>>
>> Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month, then year.'
>
> Just for grins I messed with this, changed the date format, and found it had
> no effect on the display date for listed files in Finder.

Did you change all the date formats to be the same, or change the width
of the date column in the Finder?

Because I just changed my short date format from YYYY-MM-DD (all
represented in digits) to YYYY-Nov-DD (year and day in digits and month
as three character abbreviations) and it worked perfectly...

....provided the date column I was looking at was set to a width that
required the short format.

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 by: Alan Browne- - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 21:13 UTC

On 2023-11-10 15:34, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-11-10 12:02, gtr wrote:
>> On Nov 9, 2023 at 5:34:39 PM PST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
>>>>> On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
>>>>>> called "pink".  Can't have that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
>>>>>> manual, no "migration" nonsense...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
>>>>>> more...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s).
>>>>
>>>> IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move over,
>>>> re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on.  Also used it for work
>>>> as files were copying over.  My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
>>>> monitors at present (one is off and behind).  Old Mac is in Screen
>>>> Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay on one
>>>> keyboard, trackpad...
>>>>
>>>> One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
>>>> preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't.  Puts it up in
>>>> ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...
>>>>
>>>> The workaround for this needs some study  (need to execute some weird
>>>> terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!).  I'll get to it
>>>> over the weekend once I figure it out...
>>>>
>>>
>>> You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your time
>>> and date formats?
>>>
>>> I find that highly doubtful.
>>>
>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>
>>>
>>> 'To customize formats, do any of the following:
>>>
>>> Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month, then
>>> year.'
>>
>> Just for grins I messed with this, changed the date format, and found
>> it had
>> no effect on the display date for listed files in Finder.
>
> Did you change all the date formats to be the same, or change the width
> of the date column in the Finder?
>
> Because I just changed my short date format from YYYY-MM-DD (all
> represented in digits) to YYYY-Nov-DD (year and day in digits and month
> as three character abbreviations) and it worked perfectly...
>
> ...provided the date column I was looking at was set to a width that
> required the short format.

What OS are you using?

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 by: Alan Browne- - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 21:40 UTC

On 2023-11-10 15:34, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-11-10 12:02, gtr wrote:
>> On Nov 9, 2023 at 5:34:39 PM PST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
>>>>> On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
>>>>>> called "pink".  Can't have that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
>>>>>> manual, no "migration" nonsense...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
>>>>>> more...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s).
>>>>
>>>> IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move over,
>>>> re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on.  Also used it for work
>>>> as files were copying over.  My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
>>>> monitors at present (one is off and behind).  Old Mac is in Screen
>>>> Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay on one
>>>> keyboard, trackpad...
>>>>
>>>> One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
>>>> preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't.  Puts it up in
>>>> ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...
>>>>
>>>> The workaround for this needs some study  (need to execute some weird
>>>> terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!).  I'll get to it
>>>> over the weekend once I figure it out...
>>>>
>>>
>>> You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your time
>>> and date formats?
>>>
>>> I find that highly doubtful.
>>>
>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>
>>>
>>> 'To customize formats, do any of the following:
>>>
>>> Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month, then
>>> year.'
>>
>> Just for grins I messed with this, changed the date format, and found
>> it had
>> no effect on the display date for listed files in Finder.
>
> Did you change all the date formats to be the same, or change the width
> of the date column in the Finder?
>
> Because I just changed my short date format from YYYY-MM-DD (all
> represented in digits) to YYYY-Nov-DD (year and day in digits and month
> as three character abbreviations) and it worked perfectly...
>
> ...provided the date column I was looking at was set to a width that
> required the short format.

Which is stupid (not you, the setting).

So

If the column is wider I see it as Nov 10, 2023, 18:48.

If the column is narrow I see it as 2023-11-10 .... w/o time of day.

On Mojave it shows in ONLY as I set it to be shown (YYYY-MM-DD and time).

Anyway, I'll have to dig around and find that command example - should
have bookmarked it or copied it ....

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 by: Alan - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 21:52 UTC

On 2023-11-10 13:13, Alan Browne- wrote:
> On 2023-11-10 15:34, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-11-10 12:02, gtr wrote:
>>> On Nov 9, 2023 at 5:34:39 PM PST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
>>>>>>> called "pink".  Can't have that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
>>>>>>> manual, no "migration" nonsense...)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
>>>>>>> more...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s).
>>>>>
>>>>> IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move over,
>>>>> re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on.  Also used it for
>>>>> work
>>>>> as files were copying over.  My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
>>>>> monitors at present (one is off and behind).  Old Mac is in Screen
>>>>> Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay on one
>>>>> keyboard, trackpad...
>>>>>
>>>>> One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
>>>>> preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't.  Puts it up in
>>>>> ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...
>>>>>
>>>>> The workaround for this needs some study  (need to execute some weird
>>>>> terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!).  I'll get to it
>>>>> over the weekend once I figure it out...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your time
>>>> and date formats?
>>>>
>>>> I find that highly doubtful.
>>>>
>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>
>>>>
>>>> 'To customize formats, do any of the following:
>>>>
>>>> Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month, then
>>>> year.'
>>>
>>> Just for grins I messed with this, changed the date format, and found
>>> it had
>>> no effect on the display date for listed files in Finder.
>>
>> Did you change all the date formats to be the same, or change the
>> width of the date column in the Finder?
>>
>> Because I just changed my short date format from YYYY-MM-DD (all
>> represented in digits) to YYYY-Nov-DD (year and day in digits and
>> month as three character abbreviations) and it worked perfectly...
>>
>> ...provided the date column I was looking at was set to a width that
>> required the short format.
>
> What OS are you using?
>
>
>

Monterey.

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 by: Alan - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 21:53 UTC

On 2023-11-10 13:40, Alan Browne- wrote:
> On 2023-11-10 15:34, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-11-10 12:02, gtr wrote:
>>> On Nov 9, 2023 at 5:34:39 PM PST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
>>>>>>> called "pink".  Can't have that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
>>>>>>> manual, no "migration" nonsense...)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
>>>>>>> more...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s).
>>>>>
>>>>> IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move over,
>>>>> re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on.  Also used it for
>>>>> work
>>>>> as files were copying over.  My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
>>>>> monitors at present (one is off and behind).  Old Mac is in Screen
>>>>> Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay on one
>>>>> keyboard, trackpad...
>>>>>
>>>>> One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
>>>>> preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't.  Puts it up in
>>>>> ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...
>>>>>
>>>>> The workaround for this needs some study  (need to execute some weird
>>>>> terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!).  I'll get to it
>>>>> over the weekend once I figure it out...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your time
>>>> and date formats?
>>>>
>>>> I find that highly doubtful.
>>>>
>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>
>>>>
>>>> 'To customize formats, do any of the following:
>>>>
>>>> Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month, then
>>>> year.'
>>>
>>> Just for grins I messed with this, changed the date format, and found
>>> it had
>>> no effect on the display date for listed files in Finder.
>>
>> Did you change all the date formats to be the same, or change the
>> width of the date column in the Finder?
>>
>> Because I just changed my short date format from YYYY-MM-DD (all
>> represented in digits) to YYYY-Nov-DD (year and day in digits and
>> month as three character abbreviations) and it worked perfectly...
>>
>> ...provided the date column I was looking at was set to a width that
>> required the short format.
>
> Which is stupid (not you, the setting).
>
> So
>
> If the column is wider I see it as Nov 10, 2023, 18:48.
>
> If the column is narrow I see it as 2023-11-10   .... w/o time of day.
>
>
> On Mojave it shows in ONLY as I set it to be shown (YYYY-MM-DD and time).
>
> Anyway, I'll have to dig around and find that command example - should
> have bookmarked it or copied it ....
>

Show me a screenshot of the pertinent parts of Settings...

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 by: Alan Browne- - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 23:23 UTC

On 2023-11-10 16:53, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-11-10 13:40, Alan Browne- wrote:
>> On 2023-11-10 15:34, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-10 12:02, gtr wrote:
>>>> On Nov 9, 2023 at 5:34:39 PM PST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
>>>>>>>> called "pink".  Can't have that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
>>>>>>>> manual, no "migration" nonsense...)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade - or
>>>>>>>> more...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move
>>>>>> over,
>>>>>> re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on.  Also used it for
>>>>>> work
>>>>>> as files were copying over.  My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
>>>>>> monitors at present (one is off and behind).  Old Mac is in Screen
>>>>>> Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay on
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> keyboard, trackpad...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
>>>>>> preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't.  Puts it up in
>>>>>> ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The workaround for this needs some study  (need to execute some weird
>>>>>> terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!).  I'll get to it
>>>>>> over the weekend once I figure it out...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your time
>>>>> and date formats?
>>>>>
>>>>> I find that highly doubtful.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>
>>>>>
>>>>> 'To customize formats, do any of the following:
>>>>>
>>>>> Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month, then
>>>>> year.'
>>>>
>>>> Just for grins I messed with this, changed the date format, and
>>>> found it had
>>>> no effect on the display date for listed files in Finder.
>>>
>>> Did you change all the date formats to be the same, or change the
>>> width of the date column in the Finder?
>>>
>>> Because I just changed my short date format from YYYY-MM-DD (all
>>> represented in digits) to YYYY-Nov-DD (year and day in digits and
>>> month as three character abbreviations) and it worked perfectly...
>>>
>>> ...provided the date column I was looking at was set to a width that
>>> required the short format.
>>
>> Which is stupid (not you, the setting).
>>
>> So
>>
>> If the column is wider I see it as Nov 10, 2023, 18:48.
>>
>> If the column is narrow I see it as 2023-11-10   .... w/o time of day.
>>
>>
>> On Mojave it shows in ONLY as I set it to be shown (YYYY-MM-DD and time).
>>
>> Anyway, I'll have to dig around and find that command example - should
>> have bookmarked it or copied it ....
>>
>
> Show me a screenshot of the pertinent parts of Settings...

All there is now is "Region" and "Date Format" for short formats.

[AAA] The old panel with the "short format", "Medium", "Long", "Full"
(under "Advanced") is gone. No more. Vanished.

So, Mojave: (With all the fine options):
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/77wsfpibpop83ulewcbri/MojDates.png?rlkey=82cn1invx6awk8iiglz5kj4zw

Sonoma (And I believe Ventura): No "Advanced" button to get at the
finer selections (above AAA).
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/rw3086wig01ar2863uqch/SonDate.png?rlkey=52dx37wfeybtypkkls6bwi6ix

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 by: Alan - Sat, 11 Nov 2023 03:34 UTC

On 2023-11-10 15:23, Alan Browne- wrote:
> On 2023-11-10 16:53, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-11-10 13:40, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-10 15:34, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-10 12:02, gtr wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 9, 2023 at 5:34:39 PM PST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
>>>>>>>>> called "pink".  Can't have that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
>>>>>>>>> manual, no "migration" nonsense...)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade
>>>>>>>>> - or
>>>>>>>>> more...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1 Gb/s).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move
>>>>>>> over,
>>>>>>> re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on.  Also used it
>>>>>>> for work
>>>>>>> as files were copying over.  My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
>>>>>>> monitors at present (one is off and behind).  Old Mac is in Screen
>>>>>>> Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay
>>>>>>> on one
>>>>>>> keyboard, trackpad...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
>>>>>>> preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't.  Puts it up in
>>>>>>> ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The workaround for this needs some study  (need to execute some
>>>>>>> weird
>>>>>>> terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!).  I'll get
>>>>>>> to it
>>>>>>> over the weekend once I figure it out...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your time
>>>>>> and date formats?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find that highly doubtful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'To customize formats, do any of the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month, then
>>>>>> year.'
>>>>>
>>>>> Just for grins I messed with this, changed the date format, and
>>>>> found it had
>>>>> no effect on the display date for listed files in Finder.
>>>>
>>>> Did you change all the date formats to be the same, or change the
>>>> width of the date column in the Finder?
>>>>
>>>> Because I just changed my short date format from YYYY-MM-DD (all
>>>> represented in digits) to YYYY-Nov-DD (year and day in digits and
>>>> month as three character abbreviations) and it worked perfectly...
>>>>
>>>> ...provided the date column I was looking at was set to a width that
>>>> required the short format.
>>>
>>> Which is stupid (not you, the setting).
>>>
>>> So
>>>
>>> If the column is wider I see it as Nov 10, 2023, 18:48.
>>>
>>> If the column is narrow I see it as 2023-11-10   .... w/o time of day.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mojave it shows in ONLY as I set it to be shown (YYYY-MM-DD and
>>> time).
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'll have to dig around and find that command example -
>>> should have bookmarked it or copied it ....
>>>
>>
>> Show me a screenshot of the pertinent parts of Settings...
>
>
> All there is now is "Region" and "Date Format" for short formats.
>
> [AAA] The old panel with the "short format", "Medium", "Long", "Full"
> (under "Advanced") is gone.  No more.  Vanished.
>
> So, Mojave: (With all the fine options):
> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/77wsfpibpop83ulewcbri/MojDates.png?rlkey=82cn1invx6awk8iiglz5kj4zw
>
>
> Sonoma (And I believe Ventura):  No "Advanced" button to get at the
> finer selections (above AAA).
> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/rw3086wig01ar2863uqch/SonDate.png?rlkey=52dx37wfeybtypkkls6bwi6ix
>

Well that makes no sense at all.

It's only showing you one date format, but the Finder isn't adopting it?

Have you force-quit the Finder (i.e. right-click "Relaunch")

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 by: Alan Browne- - Sat, 11 Nov 2023 12:19 UTC

On 2023-11-10 22:34, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-11-10 15:23, Alan Browne- wrote:
>> On 2023-11-10 16:53, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-10 13:40, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-10 15:34, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-11-10 12:02, gtr wrote:
>>>>>> On Nov 9, 2023 at 5:34:39 PM PST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2023-11-09 14:42, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-08 11:16, Capt'n Butler wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 11/7/23 11:51 PM, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of course I ordered it in blue - because the very bold red one is
>>>>>>>>>> called "pink".  Can't have that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anyway this M3 iMac is a very quick and nimble machine.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Due to semi-serious prep work, setting it up was a breeze (all
>>>>>>>>>> manual, no "migration" nonsense...)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hope to have this nice machine for the better part of a decade
>>>>>>>>>> - or
>>>>>>>>>> more...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [iMac M3 24 GB, 2 TB]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What don't you like about the Migration Assistant?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I used it once before and it was slow as molasses (ethernet 1
>>>>>>>> Gb/s).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IAC, this gives me a chance to review what I really want to move
>>>>>>>> over,
>>>>>>>> re-do the settings from scratch, etc. and so on.  Also used it
>>>>>>>> for work
>>>>>>>> as files were copying over.  My desk is a disaster zone though - 4
>>>>>>>> monitors at present (one is off and behind).  Old Mac is in Screen
>>>>>>>> Sharing and in a space - so easy to pop back and forth and stay
>>>>>>>> on one
>>>>>>>> keyboard, trackpad...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One nasty thing ... used to be Finder would follow my date-time
>>>>>>>> preference (YYYY-MM-DD::HH:mm), but doesn't.  Puts it up in
>>>>>>>> ack-basswards mode (November 9, 2023 ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The workaround for this needs some study  (need to execute some
>>>>>>>> weird
>>>>>>>> terminal command to set a format string ... sheesh!).  I'll get
>>>>>>>> to it
>>>>>>>> over the weekend once I figure it out...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're telling us you can't go to System Preferences to set your
>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>> and date formats?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I find that highly doubtful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh27073/mac>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'To customize formats, do any of the following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Date format: Choose the date format, such as day, then month,
>>>>>>> then year.'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just for grins I messed with this, changed the date format, and
>>>>>> found it had
>>>>>> no effect on the display date for listed files in Finder.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you change all the date formats to be the same, or change the
>>>>> width of the date column in the Finder?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because I just changed my short date format from YYYY-MM-DD (all
>>>>> represented in digits) to YYYY-Nov-DD (year and day in digits and
>>>>> month as three character abbreviations) and it worked perfectly...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...provided the date column I was looking at was set to a width
>>>>> that required the short format.
>>>>
>>>> Which is stupid (not you, the setting).
>>>>
>>>> So
>>>>
>>>> If the column is wider I see it as Nov 10, 2023, 18:48.
>>>>
>>>> If the column is narrow I see it as 2023-11-10   .... w/o time of day.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mojave it shows in ONLY as I set it to be shown (YYYY-MM-DD and
>>>> time).
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I'll have to dig around and find that command example -
>>>> should have bookmarked it or copied it ....
>>>>
>>>
>>> Show me a screenshot of the pertinent parts of Settings...
>>
>>
>> All there is now is "Region" and "Date Format" for short formats.
>>
>> [AAA] The old panel with the "short format", "Medium", "Long", "Full"
>> (under "Advanced") is gone.  No more.  Vanished.
>>
>> So, Mojave: (With all the fine options):
>> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/77wsfpibpop83ulewcbri/MojDates.png?rlkey=82cn1invx6awk8iiglz5kj4zw
>>
>>
>> Sonoma (And I believe Ventura):  No "Advanced" button to get at the
>> finer selections (above AAA).
>> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/rw3086wig01ar2863uqch/SonDate.png?rlkey=52dx37wfeybtypkkls6bwi6ix
>>
>
> Well that makes no sense at all.
>
> It's only showing you one date format, but the Finder isn't adopting it?
>
> Have you force-quit the Finder (i.e. right-click "Relaunch")

You're missing the point: Sonoma (perhaps Ventura) no longer has the
fine date/time settings of "short format", "Medium", "Long", "Full" -
as mentioned above.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Sat, 11 Nov 2023 16:30 UTC

On 2023-11-11, Alan Browne- <oneway@down.net> wrote:
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> You're missing the point: Sonoma (perhaps Ventura) no longer has the
> fine date/time settings of "short format", "Medium", "Long", "Full" -
> as mentioned above.

It really sucks that Apple sees fit to just remove functionality like
this without explanation.

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 by: Alan Browne- - Sat, 11 Nov 2023 16:48 UTC

On 2023-11-11 11:30, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-11-11, Alan Browne- <oneway@down.net> wrote:
>>
>> You're missing the point: Sonoma (perhaps Ventura) no longer has the
>> fine date/time settings of "short format", "Medium", "Long", "Full" -
>> as mentioned above.
>
> It really sucks that Apple sees fit to just remove functionality like
> this without explanation.

Especially since the underlying capability is still there - via issuing
commands in terminal - but they stripped out the setting UI. Maybe they
gave someone two weeks notice and he slipped this in ....

Anyway I (and others) have sent "bug" reports requesting it be restored.

My workaround also doesn't survive a re-boot, so I'll have to make it
into a script that execs on login... delays, delays ...

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