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* Why disable NEWNEWS?immibis
+* Re: Why disable NEWNEWS?llp
|`- Re: Why disable NEWNEWS?immibis
`* Re: Why disable NEWNEWS?Marco Moock
 `- Re: Why disable NEWNEWS?Ray Banana

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Why disable NEWNEWS?

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From: news@immibis.com (immibis)
Newsgroups: news.admin.peering
Subject: Why disable NEWNEWS?
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 23:37:42 +0100
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 by: immibis - Wed, 13 Mar 2024 22:37 UTC

I noticed that NEWNEWS is disabled on a lot of servers, including
eternal-september. It seems like it would be a sensible way to run a
leafnode or a peer that is not always online. What's the reason it is so
often disabled?

Re: Why disable NEWNEWS?

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From: contact@usenet.ovh (llp)
Newsgroups: news.admin.peering
Subject: Re: Why disable NEWNEWS?
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 23:50:53 +0100
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 by: llp - Wed, 13 Mar 2024 22:50 UTC

immibis <news@immibis.com> composa la prose suivante:

>I noticed that NEWNEWS is disabled on a lot of servers, including
>eternal-september. It seems like it would be a sensible way to run a
>leafnode or a peer that is not always online. What's the reason it is so
>often disabled?

A question of resources used, i think.
On my server, only admins can use it.

Re: Why disable NEWNEWS?

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From: news@immibis.com (immibis)
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Subject: Re: Why disable NEWNEWS?
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 by: immibis - Thu, 14 Mar 2024 00:36 UTC

On 13/03/24 23:50, llp wrote:
> immibis <news@immibis.com> composa la prose suivante:
>
>> I noticed that NEWNEWS is disabled on a lot of servers, including
>> eternal-september. It seems like it would be a sensible way to run a
>> leafnode or a peer that is not always online. What's the reason it is so
>> often disabled?
>
> A question of resources used, i think.
> On my server, only admins can use it.

But clients are still able to enumerate every group and request new
messages from every group, which seems like a greater use of resources.

Re: Why disable NEWNEWS?

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From: mm+usenet@dorfdsl.de (Marco Moock)
Newsgroups: news.admin.peering
Subject: Re: Why disable NEWNEWS?
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 by: Marco Moock - Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:00 UTC

Am 13.03.2024 schrieb immibis <news@immibis.com>:

> I noticed that NEWNEWS is disabled on a lot of servers, including
> eternal-september. It seems like it would be a sensible way to run a
> leafnode or a peer that is not always online. What's the reason it is
> so often disabled?

NNRP uses POST to inject articles.
Leafnode/Hamster can also use that, they are not like NNTP server to
their upstream.

Re: Why disable NEWNEWS?

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From: rayban@raybanana.net (Ray Banana)
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Subject: Re: Why disable NEWNEWS?
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 by: Ray Banana - Thu, 14 Mar 2024 09:32 UTC

Thus spake Marco Moock <mm+usenet@dorfdsl.de>
> Am 13.03.2024 schrieb immibis <news@immibis.com>:
>> I noticed that NEWNEWS is disabled on a lot of servers, including
>> eternal-september. It seems like it would be a sensible way to run a
>> leafnode or a peer that is not always online. What's the reason it is
>> so often disabled?

Server performance considerations.

> NNRP uses POST to inject articles.
> Leafnode/Hamster can also use that, they are not like NNTP server to
> their upstream.

NEWNEWS has nothing to do with injecting articles:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc3977#section-7.4

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