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Another tale of Windows idiocy: the mouse scroll wheel.

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From: nunya@biz.net (Alan)
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Subject: Another tale of Windows idiocy: the mouse scroll wheel.
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by: Alan - Tue, 2 Apr 2024 00:45 UTC

I'm sitting here, forced to use a Windows desktop (and I'm remembering
all over how terribly UGLY Windows is) while I wait for migration to
complete on my new M3 MacBook Air, and I thought I would reverse the
scrolling direction on the mouse to be more like what I'm used to.

Now, honestly, I'm quite adaptable as I work with lots of different
systems, and have to simply roll with whatever my client at any moment
uses, but...

....I assumed this would be an obvious control to have somewhere in the
broken mess that is Settings and Control Panel mouse settings.

I opened Settings...

....checked the various things you change about the mouse there...

....and... ...nothing. Nothing useful to this case anyway.

Then I remembered that Microsoft's settings for the mouse are
idiotically broken across two different interfaces, so I checked Control
Panel...

....and still nothing.

So I check online and would you look at that:

The only solution to changing the scrolling direction of the mouse in
Windows is...

....TO CHANGE THE REGISTRY!

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From: applefanboy@btinternet.com (David Brooks)
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Subject: Re: Another tale of Windows idiocy: the mouse scroll wheel.
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2024 09:27:56 +0100
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by: David Brooks - Tue, 2 Apr 2024 08:27 UTC

On 02/04/2024 01:45, Alan wrote:
> I'm sitting here, forced to use a Windows desktop (and I'm remembering
> all over how terribly UGLY Windows is) while I wait for migration to
> complete on my new M3 MacBook Air, and I thought I would reverse the
> scrolling direction on the mouse to be more like what I'm used to.
>
> Now, honestly, I'm quite adaptable as I work with lots of different
> systems, and have to simply roll with whatever my client at any moment
> uses, but...
>
> ...I assumed this would be an obvious control to have somewhere in the
> broken mess that is Settings and Control Panel mouse settings.
>
> I opened Settings...
>
> ...checked the various things you change about the mouse there...
>
> ...and... ...nothing. Nothing useful to this case anyway.
>
> Then I remembered that Microsoft's settings for the mouse are
> idiotically broken across two different interfaces, so I checked Control
> Panel...
>
> ...and still nothing.
>
> So I check online and would you look at that:
>
> The only solution to changing the scrolling direction of the mouse in
> Windows is...
>
> ...TO CHANGE THE REGISTRY!

I found this - it confirms what you claim!

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/reverse-mouse-wheel-scroll/657c4537-f346-4b8b-99f8-9e1f52cd94c2

It also provides a solution.

Is you M3 MacBook Air now 'up and running'?

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From: candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid (candycanearter07)
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by: candycanearter07 - Tue, 2 Apr 2024 15:20 UTC

David Brooks <applefanboy@btinternet.com> wrote at 08:27 this Tuesday (GMT):
> On 02/04/2024 01:45, Alan wrote:
>> I'm sitting here, forced to use a Windows desktop (and I'm remembering
>> all over how terribly UGLY Windows is) while I wait for migration to
>> complete on my new M3 MacBook Air, and I thought I would reverse the
>> scrolling direction on the mouse to be more like what I'm used to.
>>
>> Now, honestly, I'm quite adaptable as I work with lots of different
>> systems, and have to simply roll with whatever my client at any moment
>> uses, but...
>>
>> ...I assumed this would be an obvious control to have somewhere in the
>> broken mess that is Settings and Control Panel mouse settings.
>>
>> I opened Settings...
>>
>> ...checked the various things you change about the mouse there...
>>
>> ...and... ...nothing. Nothing useful to this case anyway.
>>
>> Then I remembered that Microsoft's settings for the mouse are
>> idiotically broken across two different interfaces, so I checked Control
>> Panel...
>>
>> ...and still nothing.
>>
>> So I check online and would you look at that:
>>
>> The only solution to changing the scrolling direction of the mouse in
>> Windows is...
>>
>> ...TO CHANGE THE REGISTRY!
>
> I found this - it confirms what you claim!
>
> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/reverse-mouse-wheel-scroll/657c4537-f346-4b8b-99f8-9e1f52cd94c2
>
> It also provides a solution.
>
>=
>
> Is you M3 MacBook Air now 'up and running'?

No way...that's actually insane. Even something as restricted as
ChromeOS provides that option in the settings.
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Subject: Re: Another tale of Windows idiocy: the mouse scroll wheel.
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by: -hh - Sat, 6 Apr 2024 23:34 UTC

On 4/2/24 11:20 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
> David Brooks <applefanboy@btinternet.com> wrote at 08:27 this Tuesday (GMT):
>> On 02/04/2024 01:45, Alan wrote:
>>> I'm sitting here, forced to use a Windows desktop (and I'm remembering
>>> all over how terribly UGLY Windows is) while I wait for migration to
>>> complete on my new M3 MacBook Air, and I thought I would reverse the
>>> scrolling direction on the mouse to be more like what I'm used to.
>>>
>>> Now, honestly, I'm quite adaptable as I work with lots of different
>>> systems, and have to simply roll with whatever my client at any moment
>>> uses, but...
>>>
>>> ...I assumed this would be an obvious control to have somewhere in the
>>> broken mess that is Settings and Control Panel mouse settings.
>>>
>>> I opened Settings...
>>>
>>> ...checked the various things you change about the mouse there...
>>>
>>> ...and... ...nothing. Nothing useful to this case anyway.
>>>
>>> Then I remembered that Microsoft's settings for the mouse are
>>> idiotically broken across two different interfaces, so I checked Control
>>> Panel...
>>>
>>> ...and still nothing.
>>>
>>> So I check online and would you look at that:
>>>
>>> The only solution to changing the scrolling direction of the mouse in
>>> Windows is...
>>>
>>> ...TO CHANGE THE REGISTRY!
>>
>> I found this - it confirms what you claim!
>>
>> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/reverse-mouse-wheel-scroll/657c4537-f346-4b8b-99f8-9e1f52cd94c2
>>
>> It also provides a solution.
> ...
>
> No way...that's actually insane. Even something as restricted as
> ChromeOS provides that option in the settings.

There's invariably going to be elements of any UI that aren't changeable
(see car steering wheel for which way it turns), but within computer
software there's far fewer actual physical restrictions.

Overall, it is a "less freedom", but it also seems likely that MS paid
attention to how few users actually chose to invert the control of the
wheel. Wonder if anyone actually has user UI statistics on that?

-hh

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by: candycanearter07 - Sun, 7 Apr 2024 14:50 UTC

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote at 23:34 this Saturday (GMT):
> On 4/2/24 11:20 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> David Brooks <applefanboy@btinternet.com> wrote at 08:27 this Tuesday (GMT):
>>> On 02/04/2024 01:45, Alan wrote:
>>>> I'm sitting here, forced to use a Windows desktop (and I'm remembering
>>>> all over how terribly UGLY Windows is) while I wait for migration to
>>>> complete on my new M3 MacBook Air, and I thought I would reverse the
>>>> scrolling direction on the mouse to be more like what I'm used to.
>>>>
>>>> Now, honestly, I'm quite adaptable as I work with lots of different
>>>> systems, and have to simply roll with whatever my client at any moment
>>>> uses, but...
>>>>
>>>> ...I assumed this would be an obvious control to have somewhere in the
>>>> broken mess that is Settings and Control Panel mouse settings.
>>>>
>>>> I opened Settings...
>>>>
>>>> ...checked the various things you change about the mouse there...
>>>>
>>>> ...and... ...nothing. Nothing useful to this case anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Then I remembered that Microsoft's settings for the mouse are
>>>> idiotically broken across two different interfaces, so I checked Control
>>>> Panel...
>>>>
>>>> ...and still nothing.
>>>>
>>>> So I check online and would you look at that:
>>>>
>>>> The only solution to changing the scrolling direction of the mouse in
>>>> Windows is...
>>>>
>>>> ...TO CHANGE THE REGISTRY!
>>>
>>> I found this - it confirms what you claim!
>>>
>>> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/reverse-mouse-wheel-scroll/657c4537-f346-4b8b-99f8-9e1f52cd94c2
>>>
>>> It also provides a solution.
>> ...
>>
>> No way...that's actually insane. Even something as restricted as
>> ChromeOS provides that option in the settings.
>
> There's invariably going to be elements of any UI that aren't changeable
> (see car steering wheel for which way it turns), but within computer
> software there's far fewer actual physical restrictions.
>
> Overall, it is a "less freedom", but it also seems likely that MS paid
> attention to how few users actually chose to invert the control of the
> wheel. Wonder if anyone actually has user UI statistics on that?
>
> -hh

Probably, but it still kinda sucks to not have the option.
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by: Alan - Sun, 7 Apr 2024 20:01 UTC

On 2024-04-06 19:34, -hh wrote:
> On 4/2/24 11:20 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> David Brooks <applefanboy@btinternet.com> wrote at 08:27 this Tuesday
>> (GMT):
>>> On 02/04/2024 01:45, Alan wrote:
>>>> I'm sitting here, forced to use a Windows desktop (and I'm remembering
>>>> all over how terribly UGLY Windows is) while I wait for migration to
>>>> complete on my new M3 MacBook Air, and I thought I would reverse the
>>>> scrolling direction on the mouse to be more like what I'm used to.
>>>>
>>>> Now, honestly, I'm quite adaptable as I work with lots of different
>>>> systems, and have to simply roll with whatever my client at any moment
>>>> uses, but...
>>>>
>>>> ...I assumed this would be an obvious control to have somewhere in the
>>>> broken mess that is Settings and Control Panel mouse settings.
>>>>
>>>> I opened Settings...
>>>>
>>>> ...checked the various things you change about the mouse there...
>>>>
>>>> ...and... ...nothing. Nothing useful to this case anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Then I remembered that Microsoft's settings for the mouse are
>>>> idiotically broken across two different interfaces, so I checked
>>>> Control
>>>> Panel...
>>>>
>>>> ...and still nothing.
>>>>
>>>> So I check online and would you look at that:
>>>>
>>>> The only solution to changing the scrolling direction of the mouse in
>>>> Windows is...
>>>>
>>>> ...TO CHANGE THE REGISTRY!
>>>
>>> I found this - it confirms what you claim!
>>>
>>> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/reverse-mouse-wheel-scroll/657c4537-f346-4b8b-99f8-9e1f52cd94c2
>>>
>>> It also provides a solution.
>> ...
>>
>> No way...that's actually insane. Even something as restricted as
>> ChromeOS provides that option in the settings.
>
> There's invariably going to be elements of any UI that aren't changeable
> (see car steering wheel for which way it turns), but within computer
> software there's far fewer actual physical restrictions.
>
> Overall, it is a "less freedom", but it also seems likely that MS paid
> attention to how few users actually chose to invert the control of the
> wheel. Wonder if anyone actually has user UI statistics on that?

If MS paid attention how many people inverted a control they can only
invert on Windows, H?

Would that be a little bit like paying attention to the number of users
that used a mouse back when MS-DOS had no support for one?

:-)

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by: -hh - Wed, 10 Apr 2024 23:07 UTC

On 4/7/24 4:01 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-04-06 19:34, -hh wrote:
>> On 4/2/24 11:20 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> David Brooks <applefanboy@btinternet.com> wrote at 08:27 this Tuesday
>>> (GMT):
>>>> On 02/04/2024 01:45, Alan wrote:
>>>>> I'm sitting here, forced to use a Windows desktop (and I'm remembering
>>>>> all over how terribly UGLY Windows is) while I wait for migration to
>>>>> complete on my new M3 MacBook Air, and I thought I would reverse the
>>>>> scrolling direction on the mouse to be more like what I'm used to.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, honestly, I'm quite adaptable as I work with lots of different
>>>>> systems, and have to simply roll with whatever my client at any moment
>>>>> uses, but...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...I assumed this would be an obvious control to have somewhere in the
>>>>> broken mess that is Settings and Control Panel mouse settings.
>>>>>
>>>>> I opened Settings...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...checked the various things you change about the mouse there...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...and... ...nothing. Nothing useful to this case anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then I remembered that Microsoft's settings for the mouse are
>>>>> idiotically broken across two different interfaces, so I checked
>>>>> Control
>>>>> Panel...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...and still nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I check online and would you look at that:
>>>>>
>>>>> The only solution to changing the scrolling direction of the mouse in
>>>>> Windows is...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...TO CHANGE THE REGISTRY!
>>>>
>>>> I found this - it confirms what you claim!
>>>>
>>>> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/reverse-mouse-wheel-scroll/657c4537-f346-4b8b-99f8-9e1f52cd94c2
>>>>
>>>> It also provides a solution.
>>> ...
>>>
>>> No way...that's actually insane. Even something as restricted as
>>> ChromeOS provides that option in the settings.
>>
>> There's invariably going to be elements of any UI that aren't
>> changeable (see car steering wheel for which way it turns), but within
>> computer software there's far fewer actual physical restrictions.
>>
>> Overall, it is a "less freedom", but it also seems likely that MS
>> paid attention to how few users actually chose to invert the control
>> of the wheel. Wonder if anyone actually has user UI statistics on that?
>
> If MS paid attention how many people inverted a control they can only
> invert on Windows, H?

I think it really comes down to how many MS software developers actually
want that feature for themselves, such that they'll DIY it (or put in
the change request, etc).

> Would that be a little bit like paying attention to the number of users
> that used a mouse back when MS-DOS had no support for one?
>
> :-)
>

More like how Apple's Disk Utility abolished its ability to support RAID
in one of the OSX updates ... and then was surprised that their
tech-savvy customers screamed.

-hh

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by: candycanearter07 - Thu, 11 Apr 2024 14:50 UTC

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote at 23:07 this Wednesday (GMT):
> On 4/7/24 4:01 PM, Alan wrote:
[snip]
>> If MS paid attention how many people inverted a control they can only
>> invert on Windows, H?
>
> I think it really comes down to how many MS software developers actually
> want that feature for themselves, such that they'll DIY it (or put in
> the change request, etc).
>
>
>> Would that be a little bit like paying attention to the number of users
>> that used a mouse back when MS-DOS had no support for one?
>>
>> :-)
>>
>
> More like how Apple's Disk Utility abolished its ability to support RAID
> in one of the OSX updates ... and then was surprised that their
> tech-savvy customers screamed.
>
> -hh

Even regular user features get removed... like WinAero and Gadgets.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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by: Danart - Tue, 7 May 2024 05:04 UTC

> Alan wrote:
> I'm sitting here, forced to use a Windows desktop (and I'm
remembering
> all over how terribly UGLY Windows is) while I wait for migration
to
> complete on my new M3 MacBook Air, and I thought I would reverse
the
> scrolling direction on the mouse to be more like what I'm used to.
>
> Now, honestly, I'm quite adaptable as I work with lots of different

> systems, and have to simply roll with whatever my client at any
moment
> uses, but...
>
> ....I assumed this would be an obvious control to have somewhere in
the
> broken mess that is Settings and Control Panel mouse settings.
>
> I opened Settings...
>
> ....checked the various things you change about the mouse there...
>
> ....and... ...nothing. Nothing useful to this case anyway.
>
> Then I remembered that Microsoft's settings for the mouse are
> idiotically broken across two different interfaces, so I checked
Control
> Panel...
>
> ....and still nothing.
>
> So I check online and would you look at that:
>
> The only solution to changing the scrolling direction of the mouse
in
> Windows is...
>
> ....TO CHANGE THE REGISTRY!

Just buy a wireless mouse +
keyboard combo like the ones from logitech and so many other choices.

If not then get a track-pad ( those red ball thingies ).

Why are you still using those out of date things? For the scroll
button ?

1980's Japan had the "Electric Pen" in it's art department
and even made game-peripheral for a system.
Even early 19X0's Russia had pre-photoshop ( used for erasing people
from images ). Truth be told the
electric-pen has been used for computers in the DOS and Amiga years as
well.

For most western people we had to use a stupid mouse with a stupid
pad, rolling in gum. Stupid.

Like Robocop I can "use my finger" to scroll on the pad with
movements via the buttons an fn-keys.

This is a response to the post seen at:
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=662828187#662828187

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by: Alan - Tue, 7 May 2024 20:35 UTC

On 2024-05-06 22:04, Danart wrote:
>
> > Alan wrote:
> > I'm sitting here, forced to use a Windows desktop (and I'm
> remembering
> > all over how terribly UGLY Windows is) while I wait for migration
> to
> > complete on my new M3 MacBook Air, and I thought I would reverse
> the
> > scrolling direction on the mouse to be more like what I'm used to.
> >
> > Now, honestly, I'm quite adaptable as I work with lots of different
>
> > systems, and have to simply roll with whatever my client at any
> moment
> > uses, but...
> >
> > ....I assumed this would be an obvious control to have somewhere in
> the
> > broken mess that is Settings and Control Panel mouse settings.
> >
> > I opened Settings...
> >
> > ....checked the various things you change about the mouse there...
> >
> > ....and... ...nothing. Nothing useful to this case anyway.
> >
> > Then I remembered that Microsoft's settings for the mouse are
> > idiotically broken across two different interfaces, so I checked
> Control
> > Panel...
> >
> > ....and still nothing.
> >
> > So I check online and would you look at that:
> >
> > The only solution to changing the scrolling direction of the mouse
> in
> > Windows is...
> >
> > ....TO CHANGE THE REGISTRY!
>
> Just buy a wireless mouse +
> keyboard combo like the ones from logitech and so many other choices.

So just buy a product to get around an obvious and idiotic shortcoming
in Windows.

Got it.

You will have a head crash on your private pack.

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Subject	Author
Another tale of Windows idiocy: the mouse scroll wheel.	Alan
Re: Another tale of Windows idiocy: the mouse scroll wheel.	David Brooks
Re: Another tale of Windows idiocy: the mouse scroll wheel.	candycanearter07
Re: Another tale of Windows idiocy: the mouse scroll wheel.	-hh
Re: Another tale of Windows idiocy: the mouse scroll wheel.	candycanearter07
Re: Another tale of Windows idiocy: the mouse scroll wheel.	Alan
Re: Another tale of Windows idiocy: the mouse scroll wheel.	-hh
Re: Another tale of Windows idiocy: the mouse scroll wheel.	candycanearter07
Re: Another tale of Windows idiocy: the mouse scroll wheel.	Danart
Re: Another tale of Windows idiocy: the mouse scroll wheel.	Alan