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* Re: The iPhone has won over casual users.Wally J
+* Re: The iPhone has won over casual users.Alan
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|  | `- Re: The iPhone has won over casual users.Jolly Roger
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Re: The iPhone has won over casual users.

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From: nuh-uh@nope.com (Alan)
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Subject: Re: The iPhone has won over casual users.
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 by: Alan - Sat, 2 Sep 2023 14:56 UTC

On 2023-09-01 20:28, Wally J wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
>>> *LOGIC:* Given every useful functionality I stated is on _all_ cars,
>>> there must be people who want it and who need it.
>>
>> Except he explicitly stated he does *not* need or want it.
>
> Hi Jolly Roger,
>
> Alan Baker has an IQ of no greater than around 40, so the mere observation
> that Alan Baker can't conceive of the need to use iOS for anything other
> than playing barbie in a pretty red toy house is to be expected of him.

Dude...

....you REALLY need to get laid.

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 by: Alan Browne - Sat, 2 Sep 2023 15:04 UTC

On 2023-09-02 10:56, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-09-01 20:28, Wally J wrote:
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>>
>>>>   *LOGIC:* Given every useful functionality I stated is on _all_ cars,
>>>>   there must be people who want it and who need it.
>>>
>>> Except he explicitly stated he does *not* need or want it.
>>
>> Hi Jolly Roger,
>>
>> Alan Baker has an IQ of no greater than around 40, so the mere
>> observation
>> that Alan Baker can't conceive of the need to use iOS for anything other
>> than playing barbie in a pretty red toy house is to be expected of him.
>
> Dude...
>
> ...you REALLY need to get laid.

At least 3 barriers it can't overcome there ...

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

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 by: Wally J - Sat, 2 Sep 2023 16:46 UTC

Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> wrote

> Find another place where your dick is appreciated

Adults will notice the iKooks _hate_ facts about Apple products.
Where the only response from iKooks - is childish as shown above.

I have two goals on this newsgroup.
1. Convey the truth about Apple products
2. Show the iKooks for what they are

In terms of the first goal of showing iOS for what it is...
*Every common consumer OS _except_ for iOS, has TOR privacy/anonymity*

In terms of showing iKooks for what they are, see JR's response to this.
*Why do you think it's only iOS that can't have any anonymity anyway?*

Notice the iKooks' response to the facts about Apple that they hate!
a. Their response shows not only that iKooks are wholly uneducated
b. Hence shockingly ignorant of almost every fact about Apple products
c. Worse, their responses show iKooks own the stunted intellect of a child

Remove these three prolific uneducated child-like iKooks
1. Jolly Roger ===> Responds to all facts about Apple with insults
2. nospam ===> Deflects all facts about Apple to whataboutism tactics
3. Alan Browne ===> Completely ignorant of even the walled garden

Remove those three ignorant iKooks from this newsgroup and the
conversations would elevate to the level of the adult OS newsgroups.

In this case, it's clear Andreas Rutishauser hates the fact that only on
iOS is the privacy/anonymity of the Tor Browser Bundle impossible.

So, how does the iKook respond when he hates all facts about Apple?
With insults.

Why?
Because when your belief system is entirely imaginary, facts are dangerous.

Worse, the bearer of facts about Apple products is dangerous.
So be it.

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 by: Wally J - Sat, 2 Sep 2023 16:50 UTC

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

>> your public masturbation is not welcome in the Apple new groups
>>
>> Find another place where your dick is appreciated
>
> If only... We can dream!

<https://support.torproject.org/tormobile/tormobile-3/>
"Can I run Tor Browser on an iOS device? Apple requires browsers on iOS
to use something called Webkit, which prevents Onion Browser
from having the same privacy protections as Tor Browser."

*It's clear iKooks _hate_ all facts about Apple products.*

Such that iKooks react to facts with their stunted child-like insults.
So be it.

1. Jolly Roger ===> Responds to all facts about Apple with insults
2. nospam ===> Deflects all facts about Apple to whataboutism tactics
3. Alan Browne ===> Completely ignorant of even the walled garden

Remove those three ignorant iKooks from this newsgroup and the
conversations would elevate to the level of the adult OS newsgroups.

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 by: Alan - Sat, 2 Sep 2023 19:16 UTC

On 2023-09-02 12:50, Wally J wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
>>> your public masturbation is not welcome in the Apple new groups
>>>
>>> Find another place where your dick is appreciated
>>
>> If only... We can dream!
>
> <https://support.torproject.org/tormobile/tormobile-3/>
> "Can I run Tor Browser on an iOS device? Apple requires browsers on iOS
> to use something called Webkit, which prevents Onion Browser
> from having the same privacy protections as Tor Browser."
>

You notice they don't elucidate what those "same privacy protections"
are that you can't get...

....Arlen.

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 by: Alan - Sat, 2 Sep 2023 19:21 UTC

On 2023-09-02 12:46, Wally J wrote:
> Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> wrote
>
>> Find another place where your dick is appreciated
>
> Adults will notice the iKooks _hate_ facts about Apple products.
> Where the only response from iKooks - is childish as shown above.
>
> I have two goals on this newsgroup.
> 1. Convey the truth about Apple products
> 2. Show the iKooks for what they are
>
> In terms of the first goal of showing iOS for what it is...
> *Every common consumer OS _except_ for iOS, has TOR privacy/anonymity*

"Private Wi-Fi Address [on]

Using a private address helps reduce tracking of your iPhone across
different Wi-Fi networks.

Limit IP Address Tracking [on]

Limit IP address tracking by hiding your IP address from known trackers
in Mail and Safari"

<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iphb01fc3c85/ios>

<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph499d287c2/16.0/ios/16.0>

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 by: Frankie - Sun, 3 Sep 2023 03:00 UTC

On 2/9/2023, Alan wrote:

> "Private Wi-Fi Address [on]

Android not only randomizes the MAC address per Wi-Fi hotspot, but each and
every connection can be automatically set to use a randomized MAC address.

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 by: WolfFan - Sat, 9 Sep 2023 13:41 UTC

On Sep 1, 2023, Wally J wrote
(in article <uctvhn$6kbr$1@paganini.bofh.team>):

> Alan Baker has an IQ of no greater than around 40,

It must really suck that he kicks your ass over and over and over again
despite having such a low IQ.

Of course, it could just be that your estimate if his IQ is merely extremely
erroneous...

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 by: Wally J - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 01:47 UTC

Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote

> 1. Jolly Roger ===> Responds to all facts about Apple with insults
> 2. nospam ===> Deflects all facts about Apple to whataboutism tactics
> 3. Alan Browne ===> Completely ignorant of even the walled garden

More whataboutism today from the Apple people desperate to blame everyone
but Apple for the fact that iOS has two to three times the zero-day holes!

Dorper <usenet@dorper.me> wrote

>> Hint: No smartphone OS is anywhere nearly as insecure as iOS is.
>> (hackers don't even need to be within a thousand miles of your phone to
>> completely and fully take it over any time they want to - for years!)
>
> In other news, Android has released it's latest security update:
>
> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/android-october-security-
> update-fixes-zero-days-exploited-in-attacks/
> Including fixes for "54 unique vulnerabilities, including two known to be
> actively exploited." Of the 54 fixes concerning Android 11 through 13, five
> are rated critical, and two concern remote code execution problems.

It's classic for Apple users to blame everyone but Apple for the flaws in
Apple devices. It's called "whataboutism" & only Apple users do it.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism>

I know exactly why you used whataboutism to defend against Apple's flaw.
I wonder if you do?

Probably not.
Let's just say that only Apple people do what you just did, Dorper.

Adults don't do it. Specifically...

You'll _never_ see someone on Android doing what you just did, Dorper.
Nor on Windows newsgroups.

Only Apple newsgroups.
Where almost every "excuse" for Apple's flaws is whataboutism incarnate.

This "whataboutism" of blaming everyone but Apple _starts with Apple_
and it's a hallmark of Apple users to blame others for Apple's flaws.

*Why don't we look at the zero-day holes in iOS*, Dorper.
Shall we?

I get it you are desperate to defend Apple's honor, but then you must know
how many zero-day bugs Apple had this year (and every year!) compared to
Android, right?

No?
You don't know?

Hmmmm.... classic.

Here... allow me to help you to think logically & sensibly, OK?

What you're _not_ saying is that iOS has had 17 zero-days this year alone -
which is something like two to three times the zero-days of Android last we
checked (since this happens every year).

By definition, a zero day is a bug that Apple forgot to find in testing.
Right?

So that's two to three times (every year - year after year) that Apple's
iOS has zero-day holes that Apple forgot to find in their iOS 'testing'.

HINT: That's a lot!

Why... might you ask... is iOS always two to three times less secure?
I (think I) know why.

Do you?
--
Note: We've already discussed that this doesn't even count the _exploited_
zero days, where you dispute that iOS has _ten times_ the active exploits!

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