On 4/29/21 5:01 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> Paying per system size is common today.
>
> Oracle is well known to do it.
>
> I believe Microsoft also do it.

Yes, and there's also a reason PostgreSQL, MySQL, FreeBSD, Linux, etc.
are so prevalent relative to Oracle and Microsoft.

VSI may think they have Oracle or Sybase/Microsoft levels of customer
lock-in, but what customers will actually do is further hasten their
transition to other systems.

-- Chris

On 2021-05-21, Chris Hanson <cmhanson@eschatologist.net> wrote:
> On 4/29/21 5:01 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> Paying per system size is common today.
>>
>> Oracle is well known to do it.
>>
>> I believe Microsoft also do it.
>
> Yes, and there's also a reason PostgreSQL, MySQL, FreeBSD, Linux, etc.
> are so prevalent relative to Oracle and Microsoft.
>
> VSI may think they have Oracle or Sybase/Microsoft levels of customer
> lock-in, but what customers will actually do is further hasten their
> transition to other systems.
>

I agree.

The French group were supposed to be creating a letter in response to
VSI's totally out of touch reply. Did this ever happen because I have
not seen it posted here ?

Simon.

--
Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.

On 5/21/2021 2:05 AM, Chris Hanson wrote:
> On 4/29/21 5:01 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> Paying per system size is common today.
>>
>> Oracle is well known to do it.
>>
>> I believe Microsoft also do it.
>
> Yes, and there's also a reason PostgreSQL, MySQL, FreeBSD, Linux, etc.
> are so prevalent relative to Oracle and Microsoft.

I suspect that VSI could live with having the profits of Oracle and
Microsoft.

10 and 44 B$ respectively.

:-)

> VSI may think they have Oracle or Sybase/Microsoft levels of customer
> lock-in, but what customers will actually do is further hasten their
> transition to other systems.

VSI has way stronger lock-in with existing customers than Oracle and MS.

New customers will be an entirely different thing though.

Arne

On 5/21/2021 8:06 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2021-05-21, Chris Hanson <cmhanson@eschatologist.net> wrote:
>> On 4/29/21 5:01 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> Paying per system size is common today.
>>>
>>> Oracle is well known to do it.
>>>
>>> I believe Microsoft also do it.
>>
>> Yes, and there's also a reason PostgreSQL, MySQL, FreeBSD, Linux, etc.
>> are so prevalent relative to Oracle and Microsoft.
>>
>> VSI may think they have Oracle or Sybase/Microsoft levels of customer
>> lock-in, but what customers will actually do is further hasten their
>> transition to other systems.
>>
>
> I agree.
>
> The French group were supposed to be creating a letter in response to
> VSI's totally out of touch reply. Did this ever happen because I have
> not seen it posted here ?
>
> Simon.
>

I sent an email to Terry Holmes weeks ago. No reply.

--
David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486

On 2021-05-21, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
> On 5/21/2021 8:06 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>
>> The French group were supposed to be creating a letter in response to
>> VSI's totally out of touch reply. Did this ever happen because I have
>> not seen it posted here ?
>>
>
> I sent an email to Terry Holmes weeks ago. No reply.
>

In that case, I think that's very poor on the part of VSI management.

You are not an ordinary VSI customer David. You are a customer
that not only buys from VSI but is also directly responsible
for a lot of other people (_your_ customers) also buying from VSI.

With the amount of business you put their way David, I think that's
rather poor form on the part of VSI.

Simon.

--
Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.

Den 2021-05-21 kl. 23:18, skrev Simon Clubley:
> On 2021-05-21, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
>> On 5/21/2021 8:06 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>
>>> The French group were supposed to be creating a letter in response to
>>> VSI's totally out of touch reply. Did this ever happen because I have
>>> not seen it posted here ?
>>>
>>
>> I sent an email to Terry Holmes weeks ago. No reply.
>>
>
> In that case, I think that's very poor on the part of VSI management.
>
> You are not an ordinary VSI customer David. You are a customer
> that not only buys from VSI but is also directly responsible
> for a lot of other people (_your_ customers) also buying from VSI.
>
> With the amount of business you put their way David, I think that's
> rather poor form on the part of VSI.
>
> Simon.
>

Without knowing what that email actually contained it is hard to
say if a reply was expected or not. It happens that I get emails
that I simply just forget about.

If it was just the same comments on that letter that has been
expressed already in other ways, it might not justify a reply.

So, chill down a little, Simon... :-)

And, it might be better to send to support@vmssoftware.com, if you
have questions relating to your support agreement.

Le 21/05/2021 à 14:06, Simon Clubley a écrit :
> The French group were supposed to be creating a letter in response to
> VSI's totally out of touch reply. Did this ever happen because I have
> not seen it posted here ?
>
> Simon.
(Thanks Simon for your attention)

Maybe it is time for us to say that we did send a second letter to VSI
on May 7th after their unsatisfying answer (that they decided to make
public via gtug.de).

We provided customers concerns and feedbacks on inconsistencies in the
licensing policy.

We suggested ways for a positive exit on this VSI originated crisis but
are still waiting for a reaction.

We plan to keep users informed but have no answer from VSI yet.

VMSgenerations working group

Just to help people finding this letter:

The VSI information has been posted by the Connect OpenVMS SIG:

https://www.connect-community.de/SIGs/OpenVMS/license

Volker.

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 4:11:06 PM UTC-4, Dave Froble wrote:
> On 5/21/2021 8:06 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> > On 2021-05-21, Chris Hanson <cmha...@eschatologist.net> wrote:
> >> On 4/29/21 5:01 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> >>> Paying per system size is common today.
> >>>
> >>> Oracle is well known to do it.
> >>>
> >>> I believe Microsoft also do it.
> >>
> >> Yes, and there's also a reason PostgreSQL, MySQL, FreeBSD, Linux, etc.
> >> are so prevalent relative to Oracle and Microsoft.
> >>
> >> VSI may think they have Oracle or Sybase/Microsoft levels of customer
> >> lock-in, but what customers will actually do is further hasten their
> >> transition to other systems.
> >>
> >
> > I agree.
> >
> > The French group were supposed to be creating a letter in response to
> > VSI's totally out of touch reply. Did this ever happen because I have
> > not seen it posted here ?
> >
> > Simon.
> >
> I sent an email to Terry Holmes weeks ago. No reply.
> --
> David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: da...@tsoft-inc.com
> DFE Ultralights, Inc.
> 170 Grimplin Road
> Vanderbilt, PA 15486

did you also send him a copy of your latest bank statement? :)